I have had a G1 from the day it came out. (I actually have TWO G1's due to a weird twist of fate.) I bought it mainly because I was annoyed that iPhones had no physical keyboard. I like Apple products as a rule (I'm typing this from my MacBook), but many of the limitations of the iPhone were dealbreakers (or so I thought). The lack of MMS, and the lack of a keyboard... not to mention the lack of multitasking, swappable memory or batteries were a turn off to me. In fact I've even been an iPhone hater for some time now, after briefly using a locked and un-jailbroken 2g. HOWEVER, recently I picked up a gently used iPhone 2g for $50 bucks, and for the past week have been using it as my main phone. Sadly, my loyalty to Android has been wavering as a result. This is a comparison of the old obsolete hardware that started it all.
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G1 w/ Cyanogen 5.0.8 & iPhone 2g w/ iOS 3.1.3
Screens:
First off, the iPhone 2g screen is bigger and better. There's really no avoiding this. It's brighter than the G1 and more responsive. The whole unit feels sturdier due to the solid engineering. I remember when I got the G1 it felt this solid for about two days. Then came the annoying squeak and the inevitable loss of the micro-usb cover. The iPhone 2G's screen looks incredibly sharp when compared to the G1, even on the brightest and dimmest settings.
Operating System:
I love Android. It's so open. The market is full of stuff that Apple would never allow. That being said, both of these phones have been out for so long that developers have had ample time to try and make up for any shortcomings the OS's may have. My G1 is rooted and tricked out. I'm maxing out the processor speed but the OS still lags. Even on vanilla 1.6 it lags. The only time I ever recall my G1 being more snappy was when Cupcake came out. The iPhone 2g is much faster and more responsive than my G1. I thought this was due to multitasking, but my 2g is jailbroken and multitasking fine. I even got MMS working on it! A small victory for something that should have been included in the first place, but a victory none the less. If I had known changing the wallpaper, and MMS, and multitasking could be implemented so easily and definitively then I wouldn't have used those as deterrents. And now that jailbreaking is so prevalent and even legal you can hardly mention those things. Furthermore, all of these things are actually condoned by Apple on their current flagship, which means they're at least listening to the consumers. The fact that the iPhone 2g is OLDER and yet still runs smoother than Android is telling. The hardware is just better at running the OS. You could claim that iPhone has had more time to smooth out the kinks in the 2g, but after almost 2 years my G1 has kinks aplenty, and Google has all but abandoned the aging hardware. Fragmentation has caused carriers and hardware manufacturers to take eons to update individual devices or even leave some completely abandoned. Meanwhile the 2G got an updated a few weeks ago (trivial as it may be). I've gotten so used to the sluggish G1, that while i'm using my iPhone 2g I think to myself, "Damn, how could the 3GS and iPhone 4 be even faster!" Oh, and here's a telling example of the functionality of the OS's: I use the Android lock screen on my iPhone because it's far superior to the iOS lockscreen. Please tell my why on iPhone 2g the Android lock screen is smoother than on the G1! I also think the Palm Pre inspired fast app switching app ProSwitcher (when paired with Backgrounder) makes multitasking on the iPhone BETTER than multitasking on Android or even iOS4. Essentially I have my favorite features from Android and the WebOS cloned right on my iPhone. No other mobile OS out now has this type of genuine customization. This stuff doesn't feel like a hack or mod.
Battery:
Overclocked or not, my G1 has always struggled with horrible battery life. In fact I've always had bad battery life on both of my G1's. I have so many G1 chargers its ridiculous. Three at home, one in the car and two at work! Why? because if I need to use GPS on my G1 I know my battery will dwindle to 30% in about an 45 minutes, especially on a sunny day when I need some backlighting. I've become a master of stretching the G1 battery to the limit, but mainly at my inconvenience. The iPhone 2g battery is better. Much better. It charges faster and lasts longer so I really don't NEED to have the swapability. Somewhere along the line we got so caught up on the convenience of having the ability to replace a dead battery, we forgot that batteries dying too quickly was actually the inconvenience. My iphone with HEAVY use can last 24 hours. My G1 with moderate use can last 14 if I'm lucky.
Text Input:
I'll give this one to the G1. The Gmail client and the texting on the G1 is fantastic, largely due to the physical keyboard. I had a texting speed contest with a girl at my job and I smoked her ass on my G1. That being said, the iPhone's virtual keyboard is WAY better than on Android. I was even typing on a Droid X the other day and was saddened that the keyboard was still less enjoyable than on the iPhone 2g. I do hate that the iPhone keyboard never seems to want to disappear once you enter a textbox, but other than that it's great. I have used every available Android keyboard from Swype to Swift, and while fast, they still feel less accurate and less responsive than the iPhone VK.
Games:
I use Nesoid (NES Emulator) on my G1, which essentially makes the gaming experience leaps and bounds beyond the iPhone. (iPhone roms/emulators suck because, well, you need buttons.) But I'll be damned if I don't love me some Fruit Ninja and Angry Birds! I think both platforms have a long way to go before people stop considering more robust mobile gaming like the PSP and Nintendo DS, but they're definitely on the right track. With the addition of Flash in Froyo, we may see Android pull far ahead in this category. Can't wait to find out.
Web Browsing:
Speaking of Froyo, I hear web browsing is fantastic on it. But on the G1 browsing sucks. In fact it's gotten WORSE since the OS has been updated. I used to be able to have 3 browser tabs loading simultaneously and remain loaded after leaving the browser (pre cupcake). So I could open Facebook, Twitter, and Android Community all at once and play a game while they loaded. Awesome! NOW every time I load another tab it just sits there until I go to view it. And God forbid I leave the browser. Then I have to wait for the homescreen to render (which is getting ridiculous), and when I re-enter the browser all the pages automatically refresh, ugh. The iPhone 2g's browser is better in every way to the G1's. Faster, smoother, and easier tab manipulation. I'm eager to see if RIM or Android can actually surpass this functionality, as they claim.
Jailbreaking/Rooting:
On the G1 rooting has given me tethering, screenshot capabilities, overclocking, and more customization options. On the iPhone 2g I have gained even MORE customization options via themes and different settings options. Still, the lack of widgets is a huge hole in the OS. I have also gained MMS, multitasking, and the fantastic SBSettings which is kind of like Bar Control for Android but better. Not to mention access to Cydia and Installous for my app pirating needs. Even though the Android community is very active and innovative, the iPhone dev community is equally ambitious and have had more time to work on their hacks and mods. iOS is no longer the cripplingly locked place it used to be.
Wrap Up:
In short, both OS's have come far, but after using Android at length and switching to iOS for a few weeks I have come to realize that the iPhone 2g pretty much blows the G1 out of the water. I'm sure the iPhone 4 vs EVO battle is much more even, but when comparing the grandaddies that started it all, my eyes have been opened. I'm sure some may consider my descent into Apple territory an ill-informed decision resulting from peer pressure by the sheep-like masses blah blah blah. But i'm just a guy who loves phones and mobile technology who came to realize that there's plenty of room for mobile OS royalty in the tech world. If nothing else Android has become a type of Ralph Nader, forcing Apple to steal some of it's better ideas so as not to lose followers. I shudder to think where iOS would be today if it weren't for Android being right on it's heels. I feel that iOS is better for novices and modding power-users alike. The G1 today is barely usable, but the iPhone 2g is still relevant in my eyes. Android still has the benefit of offering more variety to the consumer, but this is often at the OS's detriment due to fragmentation. Still, if the iPhone had a nice keyboard I probably wouldn't be considering buying the HTC Vision/G1 Blaze this Fall. Yes, even after all that I'm looking forward to Froyo and Gingerbread and seeing where Android takes us.
Thanks for your comparative report!
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OK Guys I Have a HTC mogul and it is a really good phone i really like it.. But I am really concidering getting an iPhone.. I like the flow that the iPhone has where I dont get that with my mogul.... My question, Is it worth buying... I will be keeping my mogul, the iPhone will just be xtra for the features... Im not even going to be using the phone, just the data, text, and multimedia features.
Definitely... I used to detest the iPhone till I got my hands on one... and believe me... the Windows UI has a long way to go. I got bored of everything on the iPhone rather quickly but I must say that I am really impressed with how smooth and fluidic everything is. WinMo is **** in that respect. I especially love the Safari Browser... it is such a pleasure to use it to browse. I use my PPC to browse the net only as a last resort...but with Safari, I would find reasons to use it.
At, $400, it's a decnt buy. Go for it... i'd recommend it.
If you have money to burn, then do so.
That said so do I, but I still bring myself to buy it versus a good PDA
I would wait!
You should wait and keep your mogul because an iphone like ui is coming out on new years day.
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check it out in action:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRw1T-N5dic
bassplaya said:
You should wait and keep your mogul because an iphone like ui is coming out on new years day.
check it out in action:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRw1T-N5dic
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Yo i like your set up you have there if i do get the iPhone it wont be until like the 3rd or 4th... I want to know how to do stuff like your screen... I did have the iphone skin about 2 months ago i wasnt to impressed and it got boring so where do i go to start with the basics like what is a kitchen??
I'd say if you don't plan on using the phone perhaps look into the iPod Touch. You couldn't text or browse out and about, but could with Wifi. Will let you have the interface of the iPhone and keep you from having to pay a large monthly phone fee for services you're mostly not using.
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I'd say if you don't plan on using the phone perhaps look into the iPod Touch. You couldn't text or browse out and about, but could with Wifi. Will let you have the interface of the iPhone and keep you from having to pay a large monthly phone fee for services you're mostly not using.
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Well i will be getting on a friend of mines plan and i will pay $29 to use the data and text. the plan i have with my mogul has 3000 min, unlm. text, unlim. data, equipment protection, unlim. n&w, the works basicly and it is only $37 after taxes..... so i figure $70 a month for 2 phones isnt bad
I feel for anybody that needs to ask the question of whether they should or should not get an Iphone.
Being a great lover of the WM and haveing gone through 2003, on and off the WM5 train and now on the WM6 rom (waiting for 6.1) I find at the end of the day the only reason I like WM is that I can play with it.
2 Weeks ago I went in a apple store in the USA (I am from switzerland) and looked at an IPhone. I have to admit its nice, the interface is nice, it flows, you can get the grips of it with a FAT thumb. It has 16gig of ram.
Now I have a Blue Angel, the reason I still have it is due to the fact that I am na old fart and need the 3.5 screen (Iphone has a big one).
I have am 2 gig SD card and can't listen to MP3 of it due to a the speed of the card and the device (IPHONE has 16gig internal).
I have a big fat thumb and am on the 7th or 17th stylist on my BA (have not seen many people taping with a biro on there IPhone (as they lost the stylist)).
I had to buy a new belt to keep my trousers up with my BA (or Kaiser), (Iphone is thin and slick).
My BA has as much sex appele as wet toilet roll. (face it the Iphone looks and feels nice).
So why do I still have a old BA ?
Well I cant play with roms, cook them or spend my nights in XDA.
I have ZERO software that I can download and try.
I cant Sync me works contacts or my privat ones as I happen to work for an organisation that has more than 20'000 people and thus is sort of on the coparte M$ train.
I work on the other Main Land and there is more to our lives than MM/DD/YY and English.
So I stick with a HTC device running on windows mobile and will most likly end up buying a Iphone for my wife.
Life sucks when you have to admit to defeat, HTC get your act together!!! You have to many damb phones that do some things, some have GPS and a small screen, some have a larger screen and no Keyboard, some have a keyboard and no FM Radio. And they are all NOT sexy!!!
Get yourself a Touch Cruise and then you can be the envy of the iFone crowd, you know it makes sense, 3G, GPS and you can "Play" with it, put the iFone screens on the BA and give it the other half (will she notice - probably; so duck quickly) - as an aside I have never lost a stylus from my BA - it is still stuck in the damn thing and refuses to release, I am not going to open it though just for this!
The Touch only has a 2.8 screen that I cant read
ableobject said:
Yo i like your set up you have there if i do get the iPhone it wont be until like the 3rd or 4th... I want to know how to do stuff like your screen... I did have the iphone skin about 2 months ago i wasnt to impressed and it got boring so where do i go to start with the basics like what is a kitchen??
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This is a user interface made by PointUI. Check it out here:http://www.pointui.com/
bassplaya said:
You should wait and keep your mogul because an iphone like ui is coming out on new years day.
check it out in action:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRw1T-N5dic
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Well, I love the Kaiser, and just recently switched from the iPhone. This UI, and Windows UI, have a long way to go to compete with the iPhone's.
The thing is, you can't compare the two devices;
iPhone - Heavy in multimedia, Style, INTERNET
Mogul - Business User oriented; satisfactory multimedia use.
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This is a user interface made by PointUI. Check it out here:http://www.pointui.com/
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Love the interface dude.. Got it but there is one thing i cant get it to do and that is go to the phone when i touch The icon. is there something special that i have to link that button to???
ableobject said:
Love the interface dude.. Got it but there is one thing i cant get it to do and that is go to the phone when i touch The icon. is there something special that i have to link that button to???
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It goes to a recent call list.
I believe this is the TRUE iphone killer, Nokia N97, full touch with qwerty.
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Some of it's features include:
Radio: WCDMA 900/1900/2100 (HSDPA), EGSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Display: 3.5 inch TFT with up to 16 million colors, HD 6:9 widescreen (640×360 pixels)
Memory: 32 GB on-board memory,plus 16GB expansion via microSDmemory card slot
Camera: Carl ZeissTessar™Image capture:Up to 5 megapixels (2584 x 1938) JPEG/EXIF (16.7 million/24-bit color)
Video Recording: MPEG-4 VGA (640 x 480) at up to 30 fps
+ WIFI, Dual LED camera flash and video light, Live personalized home screen with widgets, Flash Video in web browser, built-in stereo speakers, standard 3.5 mm jack for headphones, World-class game titles with N-Gage.
Complete specs: http://s60blog.com/2008/12/nokia-n97-full-specifications-and-datasheet/
Video demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW8eSH9VE9U
A big threat to the WM PPC platform if you ask me, MS should release WM7 ASAP!
oh my God, is this real
Caught my eye was well.
But kust keep in mind that Nokia take almost forever to actually launch the product after announcing it. So you probably won't see it till say May/June 2009.
Zuber
Only fail thing in that is that goddamn Symbian.
WinMo > Symbian.
No doubt.
WinMo rocks
yea i have to admit when i saw this on engadget and on boygeniusreport i was like dang this looks like it will be a decent competitor but Lokioki symbian has come a long way but it's not something i'd like to go back too
something like this comes out for windows mobile i would have to consider that a perfect phone
big screen nice keyboard is all i really want touch hd with a keyboard is phone heaven
16 million colors on the display ??? Hmmm, I just wish the human eye would be capable of seeing all that colors.
Symbian S60 is pretty closed, no matter what shape the body of the phone has (even if the N97 got inspired by the Tilt), it still launches on Symbian. Do I have to remind you on the non-removable bookmarks in the browser, non-removable stuff in the phone, such as NOKIA APPS and that junk and finally on the CERTIFICATION ISSUE of application?
Absolutely not an alternative to WM - working for sure but not a replacement.
Seems as well that recent Nokia phones are made for left-handed people, I noticed that they place the navigation pad on the left side rather than on the right - will be hard to get used to for me!
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2006/JenniferLeong.shtml
some believe it's pretty close though
guess the number given is from the old 32bit colour with alfa channel
Junner2003 said:
Seems as well that recent Nokia phones are made for left-handed people, I noticed that they place the navigation pad on the left side rather than on the right - will be hard to get used to for me!
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Well I must admit that's a stupid mistake by Nokia with this device, otherwise it's a true kickass device imo, I guess it won't take long untill this new nokia platform will be hacked just as what happened with S60 3rd Edition so nobody have to go trough all the certification junk.
Here's a small hands on (or maybe to short to be called that?): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x88WaP3B2kU&feature=related
I like how he's moving around the widgets on the homescreen...
It´s great!, just 2 detail... it has Symbian and it´s not HTC....
(At least form me it´s very important to have the support and knowledge of this great community)
Anyway thanks for letting us know, I´m sure very soon HTC will launch something like the famous HD touch Pro
Cheers,
In some cases Symbian isn't too bad, but certificate issue is not big problem. They're breaken long time ago and you can install any app you want. Also file system can e modified.
But when you try WinMo device, you will forget all others phones like symbian, blackberry os, iphone mac os, motorola linux etc.
owziee said:
I believe this is the TRUE iphone killer, Nokia N97, full touch with qwerty.
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The iPhone vs. anything else is just too much. These two are very different devices and don't have nothing to do with each other except that they're touch screen phones. The N97 is a very beautiful phone for a lot of people, but it will require some getting used to, as opposed to the iPhone which is very easy to use out of the box, with its own set of limitations.
As said in this BoyGeniusReport article:
"So bloggers, please stop. The N97 has nothing to do with the iPhone and no, not every touchscreen device is a potential “iPhone killer”. There were touchscreen handsets before the iPhone and there will continue to be touchscreen handsets for decades to come. Apple’s mobile market share will continue to soar long after the N97 comes and goes. Deal with it."
Ms should release WM7 ASAP?
What? A device should make a software manufacturer release a software upgrade sooner. Thats like saying Intel released the Core i7 so MS better release Windows 7.....
Secondly
"World class games with N-Gage"
I cannot think of a more fail games platform (excepting gizmondo) than N-Gage... Slightly better than its revival, but cetainly no world class gaming platform.
Great phone though, even though my first though was white kaiser...
If that beast just had WinMo and that navpad thought again. I would be so sold
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Ms should release WM7 ASAP?
What? A device should make a software manufacturer release a software upgrade sooner. Thats like saying Intel released the Core i7 so MS better release Windows 7.....
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Not really because the N97 also contains the new S60 Touch UI platform that rivals both windows mobile and the iphone...
Nokia is stronger,while MS is bogged down.
Having just come from 7 symbian phones in a row to winmo (TouchHD), i dont really see the problem of it running symbian, certainly not from the average users perspective. Symbian is much easier to use and can do anything Winmo can, however it has stagnated in recent years being only a very slow evolution rather than a big revolution. Symbian Touch may well be the answer though, we need to reserve judgement until final units are out and the OS has been experienced. I for one disagree that Symbian is 'clunky', i can do anything on symbian faster than i can on Winmo (and an of its interface skins) or Apple.
However in not that impressed with the specs, or looks. Its not as pretty as the Touch HD and the screen is lower resolution.
No its not an iPhone killer, but only because Mac zealots will buy any old crap with an Apple logo on it however pointless, unreliable and over priced it it, much like BMW fans (1 series anybody).
I fail to see how the N97 is even slightly interesting - it has nothing that we haven't seen before. However, like the iPhone, that won't make a difference to the number sold - the brand is much more powerful than HTC. Still, HTC is making up ground, fast - I went around a load of mobile shops the other day, picking up their brochures, and was surprised to find that The Carphone Warehouse is finally accepting that HTC exists - a whole page of their brochure was devoted to the G1, Diamond and Touch HD...although all three devices failed to make it into their big specification comparison table...
Anyway, that was a bit of a random late post...
It looks beautiful....
which one is the best overall device? Owners only please, no fanboys/trolls.
Grade the phones on this criteria out of 5(ie x/5):
OS:
Size/pocketability:
Battery life:
Processor speed:
Ease of use:
usability of on-screen keyboard:
Apps:
US 3G Support (AT&T to be specific):
Overall:
Just to kick things off im going to weigh in on my current phone, the TP2:
OS: 3/5 (using sense 2.5) (5/5 with android)
Size/pocketability: 2/5
Battery life: 5/5
Processor speed: 2/5
Ease of use: 4/5
usability of on-screen keyboard: 1/5
Apps: 2/5
US 3G Support (AT&T to be specific): full support
Overal: 3/5
Leo HD2
Leo HD2
OS:5/5 to be honest I think WM6.5 with the Sense on top is amazing never freezes on my phone anymore after installing NRGZ's Energy Rom.
Size/pocketability: 4/5 Although it's big never found it to be a problem in any pocket.
Battery life:3/5 For a smart phone pretty good but with heavy usage drops pretty quick aswel. On standby lasts for ages.
Processor speed: 5/5 everything is pretty much instant
Ease of use: 5/5 Didn't strugle with anything
usability of on-screen keyboard: 4/5 could be better still getting used to it. Theres ways of making typing easier but isnt really an isue for me.
Apps: 2/5 at the moment not much about but it's early days to fingers crossed.
US 3G Support (AT&T to be specific): 5/5
Overall:
I think this is a great phone. I must admit with the stock ROM it wouldn't have achieved the scores I gave but with a bit of messing around it's simply amazing. Also when you can play a PS1 on the go always getting a 5/5 from me lol
Haven't experianced any of the others phones but to be honest whichever you pick bar the MEGA don't think you will be dissapointed its really a LEO vs Nexus battle so if you want android Nexus WM Leo.
Hope this helps
Both the HD2 & N1 are great choices...but depends on your OS, Apps, etc. preference's.
I have the Nexus One and there's no looking back...it is so fast & cool!
Personally, I would choose Leo, but as galaxys says, all will depend on what you want/need from a device.
Have a look here for a detailed comparative:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=2067&id2=2174&id3=2028
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I´m not an owner just gave this neutral full info, hope it´s ok
thanks for the thoughts. I think ive narrowed it down to the Nexus One and the HD2. Im still really torn though. I love android but i love stuff like the FM tuner and the dual flash in the HD2. :/ The other thing thats holding me back is the fact that they dont support ATT 3G. I heard about a ATT N1 but that could be months because ATT takes AGES to adopt unlocked phones, it took them almost a year for them to adopt the TP2. what to do, what to do....
Great thread so far!
I'm in the exact situation, but in London/UK
I'm currently on O2 via CPW (Car Phone Warehouse) which means I can jump to whoever, but have decided that I will buy the phone off-line to save a fair amount of money and use whatever SiM I feel fit. I'm not a greedy mobile user, but like at least anything from 400 to 1000 minutes talk on any network, similar or unlimited SMS's, and unlimited web usage.
Anywho... I was dead set on the HD2, as I'm coming from a HTC Touch HD. However, the Nexus One is almost like for like in actual spec, but of course a different and new OS to me. The main pluses that tipping the scales towards the HTC HD2 is (mainly) the larger screen, have a lot of great WM OS applications that I know and use often, M$ Office which I use at least once a week, the WM Contacts works pretty damn close to M$ Office on my HTPC (W7x64) and well lastly I know WM OS.
I'm not afraid of new that's for sure, as I been in more complicated situations and do a ROM update almost every couple weeks. I'm a heavy Windows user, but sadly have to use Mac OS on a weekly basis too, being a film editor (Mac's are NOT the best for film editing, but somehow other humans think it is).
So what is it about the Nexus One that gives it the ability to compete with the HD2? Are there plenty of great apps out there already? Does Android sync with M$ Outlook 2007 (or even 2010) perfectly OK? Is there anything I'm going to miss or moan about soon into a week of using a Nexus One?
What is your typical day on your phone 'bdk184'... what is key to you? [^_^]
I love my Touch HD, but wish it was faster and possible a better screen. The HD2 simply answers that... but somehow, I keep hearing in the back of my headphones... Nexus One. [-_-]
PS. Thanks for that comparison 'orb3000'... although it's made me think more, it's got me thinking the right questions. The Nexus One has a better colour depth... Hmm!?! [^_^]
i own the nexus one, and to be honest i do not like android... the phone is nice and all but i would prefer getting the htc hd2.
New - HTC Incredible on Android OS
@un1uncky - LoL! I think I've felt that many times too, but when I start using WinMo again, feels fine until I start hitting all the ugly GUi's again.
Hmm... another option maybe... HTC Incredible / http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...top-end-android-specs-668954?src=rss&attr=all
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i own the nexus one, and to be honest i do not like android... the phone is nice and all but i would prefer getting the htc hd2.
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Never have I seen a name which suits as good as yours!!
Have you considered trying to do a trade for a HD2 in Marketplace or a straight sell to fund getting a HD2?
I've been tracking of all the downloads off of my viewsonic g tablet for dummies site. The number of people who have been downloading stuff really surprises me. It looks like this puppy isn't going away any time soon.
I still use mine daily. I still haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade.
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Agreed. I bought a HTV EVO View off of one of the sales on 1saleaday (about $200) because the stylus it uses is significantly better than the regular capacitive stylus. It's my new 'work' tablet, but the Gtablet is still my daily game tablet, Netflix tablet, and other junk tablet. Plus, the ICS development keeps getting better and better...
Other than the screens poor viewing angles, Viewsonic gave us a really nice piece of hardware. Thanks to Flashback and Team DRH this nice hardware can actually do what it's capable of, rather than the crappy TNT thing Viewsonic had on it.
With the exception that the tapntap software, the Gtablet is a beast waiting to get loose. Granted that its getting a little long in the tooth, but with the new roms it just gets better and better.
I've continued to use my lightly since I've gotten it a year or so back. I mainly wanted it to play videos for the kids in the car. I played around with various ROMs, tried Honeycomb but generally wasn't all that impressed and just recently went back to Froyo. Froyo worked pretty well and the UI downgrade from Honeycomb wasn't that big of a deal. But recently I've installed DRH's ICS ROM and it looks pretty darn good, so far it seems the best of both Froyo and Honeycomb, but really better than both. However, that's just an initial impression. Really good stuff that looks to extend the life of the hardware!
mine was out of commission for about 6 months. power connector wasn't working. been really busy, but the wife strong armed me into fixing it. it is working now and it has been a really good tablet. it is my first and only tablet, but i have been satisfied and I really enjoy the versatility. it is a lot of fun to swap out OS and customize. even with the power connector problem, i enjoyed breaking it down and doing some hardware repair.
I use the For Dummies site a lot, it's a great resource for changing ROMs, bootloaders, etc. Haven't bricked once.
My GTab is docked and stashed in a cabinet, where it's connected to my TV by HDMI and a Logitech USB KB/touchpad combo. I use it mostly to watch live streaming sports video (Fox Soccer and ESPN). The setup works fairly well but Flash and the available browsers limit what I can do a bit. Overclocking has made a huge difference with no apparent side effects.
Right now I'm using Mountain Laurel w Clemsyn's kernel after trying a few other ROMs. Hoping ICS will give me everything I'm looking for with my setup.
Wow, take a look at the screenshot of my inbox. Everytime someone downloads from my viewsonic g tablet site, I get an email notification. I made it that way so I could get a feel of how many people still has the gtab. I get about 4 pages of notifications a day. I really thought the downloads would die down after a month or so. Nope, downloads are still going strong.
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Wow, take a look at the screenshot of my inbox. Everytime someone downloads from my viewsonic g tablet site, I get an email notification. I made it that way so I could get a feel of how many people still has the gtab. I get about 4 pages of notifications a day. I really thought the downloads would die down after a month or so. Nope, downloads are still going strong.
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She may have a couple of years on her (which is alot in the techno world) but is still a LONG way from being a dinosaur. A VERY capable tablet indeed.....which makes it very enjoyable to use, too. On top of the wonderful programmers that tirelessly work on ALL these android devices for their own fun, as well as recognition & knowledge, we were lucky enough to have someone take the time to develope a website like yours Goodintentions. I can only speak for myself but I DO know that is the very place that sparked my initial interest in android devices right from the getgo. And it is all put together in such a way that it was not intimidating or difficult to learn from. I, for one, am VERY grateful.
Ok, bad move on my part in using my box account to keep track of who's downloading. Haha, gtabbers have officially killed my bandwidth of 10gig a month.
My family uses our gtab literally every day. I wish we had another one
We use ours for gaming and my little one takes it to the grandparent's house for YouTube videos. We use it weekly if not daily!
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'Still use mine daily.
Corporate email, Calendar, some gaming, and probably the majority of my web surfing.
I may be hijacking this thread a bit, but frankly, there is nothing to replace it.
If my requirements are:
1 GHZ Dual core processor
Accelerated Video
(Above two necessitate Tegra 2 or better)
7 or 10 inch screen range
Full USB host port
Mini USB port
HDMI out
(3 above must be available without docking, but adapter cables OK)
WiFi
Bluetooth
...what else meets these, and is really of such quality difference that it is worth upgrading?
I'm not going to buy new hardware just to get a newer OS, so the ICS discussion is not part of this, for me.
I still use my regularly.
I've been following the DRH ICS with some interest.
Clemsyn's Beastly Ultimate with some build changes w/ OC to 1.6mhz is what I use everyday. It's so fast and stable that's it hard justify any changes.
Just got mine today
I picked one up today cause wanted to try it on ics etc.. Really like it so far even though it's still on tapatap..but not for much longer.
Still reading and getting it straight about flashing this .. Flashed other devices lots but each one is a new experience.
Hopefully I get USB support ..that's a big plus for me. Only drawback is poor viewing angles but I can live with them ! So off to grab for dummies...
Thanks .....
I picked mine back up just this week's was going to sell it then saw TeamDRH ICS with working hardware acceleration. Running that now. While its pretty cool the ongoing incompatibility with games is still frustrating me.
If only these roms came with a pre configured build.prop to spoof a known compatible device I would be over the moon.
So, I just pulled my server out of the ditch after gtabbers killed my bandwidth. Almost immediately, people started downloading files from my website left and right again.
Simply amazed how many still use my website.
I bought mine a couple months ago from Woot. Got one for a friend as well.
It's still pretty decent compared to what's out there.
No reason to retire it just yet. especially at such a nice price point.
A year on and I still use mine daily, have it docked in my car for GPS navigation (GMaps/Waze) and music/podcast player. (4G Tether and GPS from my android phone)
Once I found a stable enough rom I haven't tried out many of the newer ones.
This is my stop. I've gone back to the Note 5. It was an interesting ride on this MXPE boat and I learned a lot about how devices not named "Samsung" require different tools and methods to enjoy the root/ROM life. I just really underestimated how dependent I was on that S-Pen, AMOLED and the general Samsung ecosystem. Turns out I could only stay away from it for only a month before I started to get the shakes, LOL!.
Anyway, my thanks to everyone here for their amazing contributions to this community and their friendliness. You folks are steady. My personal gratitude to @acejavelin who was particularly helpful during my time on this device.
See y'all on the other side!
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This is my stop. I've gone back to the Note 5. It was an interesting ride on this MXPE boat and I learned a lot about how devices not named "Samsung" require different tools and methods to enjoy the root/ROM life. I just really underestimated how dependent I was on that S-Pen, AMOLED and the general Samsung ecosystem. Turns out I could only stay away from it for only a month before I started to get the shakes, LOL!.
Anyway, my thanks to everyone here for their amazing contributions to this community and their friendliness. You folks are steady. My personal gratitude to @acejavelin who was particularly helpful during my time on this device.
See y'all on the other side!
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@acejavelin
He has helped everyone...
Thank you... Come back anytime.
Good luck over there as I will not likely join you. I think Samsung delivers products with some "nifty" features and I don't fault anyone who likes it. For me, with more competition in the hardware markets (Huawei, OnePlus, etc have come into the fold) there are more flagships at lower costs. True that you lose S-Pen and the Samsung tweaks, but I am not enamoured with either. Just can't justify paying more for software tweaks when I can root and get what I want through Xposed. I want a functional phone that can handle my demands and still let me play around a little bit.
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True that you lose S-Pen and the Samsung tweaks, but I am not enamoured with either. Just can't justify paying more for software tweaks when I can root and get what I want through Xposed. I want a functional phone that can handle my demands and still let me play around a little bit.
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I can appreciate that but personally I'm paying for the combo of the hardware and software (because it's so easy to root and mod). The hardware being a good solid base to tweak the software to my liking. So between the Note hardware (build, AMOLED, S-Pen, Camera, physical home button, capacitive buttons, LED indicator), Nova Launcher Prime, root, xposed I'm happy again. All that wrapped up together is what I pay for.
The other newcomers in the mid-range to high end devices are certainly amazing choices and I can appreciate their features but with them it's getting something and losing something across the board instead of getting everything I want on one platform (personal taste) so that's why I'm going to remain on the Note series until the planet is dead. I was curious about other platforms and played around with them only to realize for me the grass was certainly not greener.
Thanks for the feedback and your well wishes! You guys are awesome!
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I can appreciate that but personally I'm paying for the combo of the hardware and software (because it's so easy to root and mod). The hardware being a good solid base to tweak the software to my liking. So between the Note hardware (build, AMOLED, S-Pen, Camera, physical home button, capacitive buttons, LED indicator), Nova Launcher Prime, root, xposed I'm happy again. All that wrapped up together is what I pay for.
The other newcomers in the mid-range to high end devices are certainly amazing choices and I can appreciate their features but with them it's getting something and losing something across the board instead of getting everything I want on one platform (personal taste) so that's why I'm going to remain on the Note series until the planet is dead. I was curious about other platforms and played around with them only to realize for me the grass was certainly not greener.
Thanks for the feedback and your well wishes! You guys are awesome!
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Very true. I'm just not a fan of TouchWiz nor some of Samsung's implementations. My wife loves those tweaks however so to each their own. I personally like the vanilla look and keeping things simple
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Very true. I'm just not a fan of TouchWiz nor some of Samsung's implementations. My wife loves those tweaks however so to each their own. I personally like the vanilla look and keeping things simple
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There really is something to be said for vanilla Android, and I'm periodically reminded of that every time I start to sour on the MXPE. You can get this phone for $200-250 retail nowadays, and yet it still - in my experience - outperforms most skinned 2016 flagships (I'm looking at you, Samsung) in real-world day-to-day usage. Swiping through homescreens and the app drawer, switching between recent apps, that kind of thing - MXPE is still flawless and snappy, where high-dollar flagships like the S7 Edge can choke at times.
Not only that, but I've had zero software issues or bugs of note in my entire 14 months owning MXPEs as my daily driver. My previous two phones - Samsung and HTC - were buggy messes after their first OTA updates, to the point that CM became preferable even from a reliability standpoint.
I value hardware and specs a lot, but I will never own another phone that doesn't run vanilla Android out of the box, period. The 6P and Pixel XL are the *only* upgrade paths I'll consider, and since neither are enough of an upgrade relative to the price jump, I'll just wait til next year.
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There really is something to be said for vanilla Android, and I'm periodically reminded of that every time I start to sour on the MXPE. You can get this phone for $200-250 retail nowadays, and yet it still - in my experience - outperforms most skinned 2016 flagships (I'm looking at you, Samsung) in real-world day-to-day usage. Swiping through homescreens and the app drawer, switching between recent apps, that kind of thing - MXPE is still flawless and snappy, where high-dollar flagships like the S7 Edge can choke at times.
Not only that, but I've had zero software issues or bugs of note in my entire 14 months owning MXPEs as my daily driver. My previous two phones - Samsung and HTC - were buggy messes after their first OTA updates, to the point that CM became preferable even from a reliability standpoint.
I value hardware and specs a lot, but I will never own another phone that doesn't run vanilla Android out of the box, period. The 6P and Pixel XL are the *only* upgrade paths I'll consider, and since neither are enough of an upgrade relative to the price jump, I'll just wait til next year.
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I guess between the launchers and the stock modified ROMs I've used on all my Note phones I've been lucky never to experience that kind of thing. Honestly, this Note 5 is snappy for me and gives me no lag issues whatsoever. Like they say, to each their own. Horses for courses and all that.