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Was just offered a MT4G or Samsung Vibrant..

The speed on my Vibrant (I'm within my remorse period) is not an issue and it has been working just fine for over a week now. No freezes and no amount of lag to complain about at all. I don't have a data service since I'm usually always around spots with WiFI so the data features on the MT4G are nice and MIGHT come in handy whenever I decide to add a data plan but not at this moment. I miss the LED indicator which the Vibrant does not have and I would love a FFC and LED flash but I'm in LOVE with the Vibrants display and I guess I can live without the LED/FFC although it would be nice to have. Opinions?
BTW, I paid 50 bucks for my Vibrant from T-Mobile. I'll be paying the same amount for the MT4G.

honestly i thought i would miss the display too but after about a day i forgot all about it

From someone who has a Vibrant and MT4G (I will eventually have to pick one, but have both for now), you will find the MT4G screen is absolutely garbage infront of the Vibrant's. The LCD on the MT4G looks washed out and low quality when compared to the SuperAMOLED on the Vibrant. So, the Vibrant has its fair share of problems (one of my biggest problems is terrible battery life) but the screen is unmatched and if you have used a Vibrant, you will feel like you are downgrading when using the MT4G (in regards to the screen).
Oh and the MT4G is noticeably heavier than the Vibrant. It isn't that the MT4G is "heavy", but rather it is that the Vibrant is light.

I actually like the MT4G's screen better. It displays text MUCH sharper. Text is very pixelated and blocky on the vibrant.
Anyway, the MT4G is the better phone. Faster all around and has many more features.

I personally don't get what all the hubub about the display is. Yes, it is incredibly nice. But it's not as though we had Nokia 6600 screens on our phones before the Vibrant. The screen on the MT4G seems to be just as nice to look at as the Nexus, Droid Incredible, Droid Eris, or any of a multitude of other phones out there, that people seem to be really happy about.
Why didn't we hear any of this back in the G1 days?
"Man, I like the G1. But I just can't give up the screen on my iPhone/3G."
or
"Man, the Nexus is really tight, and all, but after using the HD2, I just can't go back to a screen smaller than a PSP." (ok, that was hyperbole... but you get what I'm saying)
And I'm not accusing you of doing this. Thi sjust seems to be an argument that is made time and time again by hardcore Vibrant fans.

Kienz said:
I personally don't get what all the hubub about the display is. Yes, it is incredibly nice. But it's not as though we had Nokia 6600 screens on our phones before the Vibrant. The screen on the MT4G seems to be just as nice to look at as the Nexus, Droid Incredible, Droid Eris, or any of a multitude of other phones out there, that people seem to be really happy about.
Why didn't we hear any of this back in the G1 days?
"Man, I like the G1. But I just can't give up the screen on my iPhone/3G."
or
"Man, the Nexus is really tight, and all, but after using the HD2, I just can't go back to a screen smaller than a PSP." (ok, that was hyperbole... but you get what I'm saying)
And I'm not accusing you of doing this. Thi sjust seems to be an argument that is made time and time again by hardcore Vibrant fans.
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This is my biggest Issue, Will I miss the SAMOLED??

Ok, ask yourself this:
Do you have an HDTV? Is it 120Hz? 240? If so, does it make your stomache turn to look at a regular, or less-than-1080p tv? Do movies in theaters look like trash to you?
If not, then don't fall for the "This is the latest thing, and before you had this your life was meaningless" nonsense. Yes, if you read posts about how much better the screen is, on a daily basis, you will find yourself comparing the two. And, as such, you will probably start feeling as though you miss it. But were you really unhappy about your screen's display before you got the Vibrant? Did you find yourself longing for an S-Amoled screen, even though we had no idea what one would look like before seeing the Vibrant? Probably not.
I bet I can tell you what you WON'T miss, though.
A lack of led notifications.
A lack of Flash.
A lack of an FM radio.
A lack of pc sync. (Kies? Really?)
A data port/charging port that was brilliantly place on the top of the phone.
The drag-your-feet manner in which Samsung makes updates available to their customers.
The inexplicably convoluted RFS files system, which inevitibly causes lag on the phone.
And possibly a few other things. But, again, not trying to point fingers, or sound accusatory. Just sharing my opinion. And, by the way, I did love the display. But the only time I really miss it is when I read about how great it was.
My .02

Kienz said:
Ok, ask yourself this:
Do you have an HDTV? Is it 120Hz? 240? If so, does it make your stomache turn to look at a regular, or less-than-1080p tv? Do movies in theaters look like trash to you?
If not, then don't fall for the "This is the latest thing, and before you had this your life was meaningless" nonsense. Yes, if you read posts about how much better the screen is, on a daily basis, you will find yourself comparing the two. And, as such, you will probably start feeling as though you miss it. But were you really unhappy about your screen's display before you got the Vibrant? Did you find yourself longing for an S-Amoled screen, even though we had no idea what one would look like before seeing the Vibrant? Probably not.
I bet I can tell you what you WON'T miss, though.
A lack of led notifications.
A lack of Flash.
A lack of an FM radio.
A lack of pc sync. (Kies? Really?)
A data port/charging port that was brilliantly place on the top of the phone.
The drag-your-feet manner in which Samsung makes updates available to their customers.
The inexplicably convoluted RFS files system, which inevitibly causes lag on the phone.
And possibly a few other things. But, again, not trying to point fingers, or sound accusatory. Just sharing my opinion. And, by the way, I did love the display. But the only time I really miss it is when I read about how great it was.
My .02
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^ completely agree.
I'm coming from a Nexus One into G2 into the myTouch. When I first started using the myTouch, I couldn't help but frown as the screen didn't look as crisp or clear as the G2's. But this phone won me over with all it's other features and impressive hardware. That, and I actually like Sense whereas TouchWiz made me think I was playing with a toy.

Kienz said:
Ok, ask yourself this:
Do you have an HDTV? Is it 120Hz? 240? If so, does it make your stomache turn to look at a regular, or less-than-1080p tv? Do movies in theaters look like trash to you?
If not, then don't fall for the "This is the latest thing, and before you had this your life was meaningless" nonsense. Yes, if you read posts about how much better the screen is, on a daily basis, you will find yourself comparing the two. And, as such, you will probably start feeling as though you miss it. But were you really unhappy about your screen's display before you got the Vibrant? Did you find yourself longing for an S-Amoled screen, even though we had no idea what one would look like before seeing the Vibrant? Probably not.
I bet I can tell you what you WON'T miss, though.
A lack of led notifications.
A lack of Flash.
A lack of an FM radio.
A lack of pc sync. (Kies? Really?)
A data port/charging port that was brilliantly place on the top of the phone.
The drag-your-feet manner in which Samsung makes updates available to their customers.
The inexplicably convoluted RFS files system, which inevitibly causes lag on the phone.
And possibly a few other things. But, again, not trying to point fingers, or sound accusatory. Just sharing my opinion. And, by the way, I did love the display. But the only time I really miss it is when I read about how great it was.
My .02
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+1... and add to the list the HSDPA+, FFC (eventhough you won't use it, it's still better to know you have it in case you need it) and 256MB of extra RAM... phones are not meant for watching movies.. and it's not like movies are unwatchable on MT4G.. as it's still gorgeous! i think when it comes to phones, you have to look at the features and the sturdy feel on the device, which in my opinion the samsung lacks compared to MT4G.. now if you're comparing MT4G to DESIRE HD, now that's a different story.. that belongs to the other thread..

Coming from the Vibrant I must say how extremely happy I am. I had a totally modded Vibrant to get the speed that the MT4G has right out of the box. The battery life of the Vibrant is horrible. The MT4G is a beast............extremely happy to have my MT4G.....oh yea after 3 to 4 days you get used to the screen, I dont watch movies on it so not that big of a deal me.

DADDYDC650 said:
The speed on my Vibrant (I'm within my remorse period) is not an issue and it has been working just fine for over a week now. No freezes and no amount of lag to complain about at all. I don't have a data service since I'm usually always around spots with WiFI so the data features on the MT4G are nice and MIGHT come in handy whenever I decide to add a data plan but not at this moment. I miss the LED indicator which the Vibrant does not have and I would love a FFC and LED flash but I'm in LOVE with the Vibrants display and I guess I can live without the LED/FFC although it would be nice to have. Opinions?
BTW, I paid 50 bucks for my Vibrant from T-Mobile. I'll be paying the same amount for the MT4G.
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You posted the exact same thing on the t-mobile forums. How many times you going to post this? Looking for a dog to throw you a bone?
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/myTouch-4G/Was-just-offered-a-MT4G-or-Samsung-Vibrant/td-p/541416
Same ****, same story.

Couldn't agree with you more and btw, the setup I have now with my vibrant gives me tremendous battery life (check sig )
DarkAgent said:
From someone who has a Vibrant and MT4G (I will eventually have to pick one, but have both for now), you will find the MT4G screen is absolutely garbage infront of the Vibrant's. The LCD on the MT4G looks washed out and low quality when compared to the SuperAMOLED on the Vibrant. So, the Vibrant has its fair share of problems (one of my biggest problems is terrible battery life) but the screen is unmatched and if you have used a Vibrant, you will feel like you are downgrading when using the MT4G (in regards to the screen).
Oh and the MT4G is noticeably heavier than the Vibrant. It isn't that the MT4G is "heavy", but rather it is that the Vibrant is light.
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kamasi36 said:
You posted the exact same thing on the t-mobile forums. How many times you going to post this? Looking for a dog to throw you a bone?
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/myTouch-4G/Was-just-offered-a-MT4G-or-Samsung-Vibrant/td-p/541416
Same ****, same story.
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Someone's parents didn't love them enough.
Note how the OP for both threads is the same, asking the same question. Now try to think why I would post the same answer.

DarkAgent said:
Someone's parents didn't love them enough.
Note how the OP for both threads is the same, asking the same question. Now try to think why I would post the same answer.
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Maybe I wanted opinions from different follks? Not everyone knows about XDA. My bad for being excited for my new 50 dollar device. =)

I came from the G2, I don't really notice the difference in the screen and I don't think you can unless you put them next to each other. I know the Vibrant has a better screen but all the new benefits and 4G and more RAM and now with root this is a great device. The feel is really good and the battery life is not better than the vibrant.

DADDYDC650 said:
Maybe I wanted opinions from different follks? Not everyone knows about XDA. My bad for being excited for my new 50 dollar device. =)
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Oh I don't blame you -- I understand why you did it. I probably would have done the same. I was simply replying to the guy *****ing about how I posted the same answer.

DarkAgent said:
Oh I don't blame you -- I understand why you did it. I probably would have done the same. I was simply replying to the guy *****ing about how I posted the same answer.
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I was actually replying to that guy. Guess I quoted the wrong post. Sorry about that!
BTW, how are you liking your MT4G?

DADDYDC650 said:
I was actually replying to that guy. Guess I quoted the wrong post. Sorry about that!
BTW, how are you liking your MT4G?
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I can't say, unfortunately. The one I got had dust underneath the screen so I returned it the next day, only playing with it for an hour or so. I am currently waiting on my replacement which should be here tomorrow (free express shipping ftw). There are advantages of ordering via retention, but the lead time on exchanges is not one of them.
That said, I was extremely disappointed in the screen of the first MT4G -- it looked very washed out and low quality. I hope it was a defective screen because otherwise I think I may just end up going back to the Vibrant.

Need help, great opportunity for me.

Well I contacted the retentions department at AT&T and the lady I spoke to was extremely nice. Basically, the deal is:
- I get $20 for the next three months
- I get to keep my Captivate
- I get to choose any AT&T phone except the iPhone come May 9
- The Atrix will be available to me for $150 in May
Questions:
1. What should I do with my Captivate? I have to use it till May, but should I sell it then? How much would I be able to get? I don't really want to give it to my mom because it has so many problems.
2. How does the Atrix compare to the Captivate? I really want an exact, extensive breakdown.
3. When May comes, will there be a better phone to get than the Atrix?
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Samsung Captivate, Rooted, Flashed with godonlyknows custom ROM.

I guess another option is the SGS2.

Tennis11 said:
I guess another option is the SGS2.
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never again.

Yeah, I'll probably run away from samsung, fast.
Good idea?

1. Don't know how much you can get for it. A quick way to check would to be to simply go on ebay and do a search. You can also hang on to it and use it as a backup or a developer phone, if you're into that sort of thing.
2. Are you asking for a breakdown of hardware differences or overall user experience? Hardware differences are that the Atrix has a dual code tegra2 cpu (each core at 1ghz) though I'm pretty sure it isn't being utilized properly with the current firmware, qHD 540x960 LCD panel as the display, 1930mAh battery, 1024mb ddr2 ram, hdmi port, ships with android 2.2.. probably some other stuff I'm leaving out.
Reports regarding user experience vary. Some people like it and say it is very responsive, others say the screen, while very sharp, is dull and doesn't have nearly the color depth of amoled screens, and hate the fact that it ships filled with unremoveable bloatware, sideloading disabled, and general ATT douchebaggery. Just browse around and read some reviews. Engadget had a pretty decent one.
The thing that kills the Atrix for me is that Motorola insists on busting everyone's balls by shipping it with a signed/encrypted bootloader, and signed system files. Quite honestly, I'd prefer my Captivate to the Atrix for this reason alone.
3. The HTC Inspire 4g, Samsung Infuse 4g and Atrix 4g will all be out around May (or at least that's what I've read), if you insist on staying with ATT. Not sure about what will be released on other carriers, but I also hear that the Sony XPeria ARC is a good one to look out for.

If you are always waiting for the next best phone you will always be waiting. Jump ship when you are bored
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At the top of your screen you will see a link for the device DB. Use it to compare the the Atrix to well what ever you want. They are right though if you are always waiting for the next big thing then you will always be waiting. It seems with the speed at which things are progressing there will always be something newer in or around the 3 to 6 month point.

Tennis11 said:
Well I contacted the retentions department at AT&T and the lady I spoke to was extremely nice. Basically, the deal is:
- I get $20 for the next three months
- I get to keep my Captivate
- I get to choose any AT&T phone except the iPhone come May 9
- The Atrix will be available to me for $150 in May
Questions:
1. What should I do with my Captivate? I have to use it till May, but should I sell it then? How much would I be able to get? I don't really want to give it to my mom because it has so many problems.
2. How does the Atrix compare to the Captivate? I really want an exact, extensive breakdown.
3. When May comes, will there be a better phone to get than the Atrix?
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I picked up a Atrix today. I also have a Captivate. The first thing you will notice is the difference in screens. Some people will say one is better than the other, but it is all user perception. Some people like saturated colors(AMOLED) some people don't. It's best to take a look at one in the store. I do not mind the Atrix screen, after a week of use probably won't notice the colors not being saturated anymore.
I think I am impressed the most with the battery. The battery on my Captivate killed me, I was always trickle charging. Even after the first charge on the Atrix the battery runs circles around my Captivate.
For people complaining about the Atrix being sluggish, I haven't noticed it. Stock it pulled a little over 2500 in Quadrant, my Captivate with yesterdays leaked Froyo pulled barley over 1000 at stock. Hopefully this will only improve once 2.4 is released with dual core support. Text is alot clearer for me. The high resolution makes everything smaller so that takes a little getting used to, but its a good thing. Fingerprint scanner is actually nice and works great. HDMI out is pretty sweet to have finally. I thought it was supposed to have a FM radio, but doesn't. GPS works great, it is nice to have a working GPS again. Overall the phone is a beast. The only disappointment I have and it is a big.... the signed bootloader is bogus.
The Samsung Infuse might be out by then, but like alot of others here...."never again"

I'm curious as to how you got ATT to agree to this? Did you have a history of problems? How long are you into your captivate contract?

Glad I didn't wait for Bionic

Went to check it out in person now that its finally released after a bazillion years. While performance-wise it delivers well and the UI os not so bad, that screen is complete GARBAGE especially being qHD. The TB screen has better quality, shoot even the OG Droid screen is less pixelated. Not to mention battery life is no better.
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mb02 said:
Went to check it out in person now that its finally released after a bazillion years. While performance-wise it delivers well and the UI os not so bad, that screen is complete GARBAGE especially being qHD. The TB screen has better quality, shoot even the OG Droid screen is less pixelated. Not to mention battery life is no better.
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speaking of battery life... i don't think any of these big ol' 4G phones will ever have decent battery life(stock) unless the stock battery happens to be 5000mAh.
sure, there's always tweaks here & there and when it's rooted(well, you know the rest).
i just think it's ridiculous that they give all these phones such crappy batteries.
that and they should be built like those Panasonic Tough Books to. i want to know that i can beat someone to death with my phone and it will still be fine and dandy.

voxigenboy said:
speaking of battery life... i don't think any of these big ol' 4G phones will ever have decent battery life(stock) unless the stock battery happens to be 5000mAh.
sure, there's always tweaks here & there and when it's rooted(well, you know the rest).
i just think it's ridiculous that they give all these phones such crappy batteries.
that and they should be built like those Panasonic Tough Books to. i want to know that i can beat someone to death with my phone and it will still be fine and dandy.
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From what I've read, none of the 4g phones have 4g battery life because they are using modems that weren't designed for mobile phones. In the future, when one is developed that isn't such a battery hog, battery life will be better.

inexplicability said:
From what I've read, none of the 4g phones have 4g battery life because they are using modems that weren't designed for mobile phones. In the future, when one is developed that isn't such a battery hog, battery life will be better.
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What was the MDM9600 designed for then? I'm not aware of anything but mobile applications for it. The problem is NOT the power consumption of the MDM9600. The problem is the power consumption of the MDM9600 and the MSM8655 together. You're running 2 radios full time here, unlike pretty much anything that came before it. HTC had to work with the FCC to invent measurement standards for this device. A more modern LTE modem will help a little, but until LTE is ubiquitous enough that Verizon can begin to carry voice on LTE and dump the CDMA modem, power consumption is going to suck.

the htc vigor is my next phone. im hearing a oct-nov release. android central just did a podcast and while its a good phone its too overhyped. the lcd is crap too.

fixxxer2008 said:
the htc vigor is my next phone. im hearing a oct-nov release. android central just did a podcast and while its a good phone its too overhyped. the lcd is crap too.
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Finally. I don't have to listen to gullible idiots pounding their meat in anticipation of... whatever is NEXT. Next up to bat: The Samsung Prime! Bet it's gonna have the same mediocre screen the Charge does and suck battery even faster!

loonatik78 said:
Finally. I don't have to listen to gullible idiots pounding their meat in anticipation of... whatever is NEXT. Next up to bat: The Samsung Prime! Bet it's gonna have the same mediocre screen the Charge does and suck battery even faster!
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but but the next phone will be the second coming of the messiah, only in the form of a phone!
delivering you from the sins of your past phones

loonatik78 said:
Finally. I don't have to listen to gullible idiots pounding their meat in anticipation of... whatever is NEXT. Next up to bat: The Samsung Prime! Bet it's gonna have the same mediocre screen the Charge does and suck battery even faster!
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What makes you say the Charge's screen is mediocre? While I dislike Samsung for a myriad of reasons, I find their display quality to be quite good, not just in vibrancy but color saturation as well. One of my employees has one and its MUCH better in the daylight than my Thunderbolt. My screen is almost unusable in the sun.
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lrs421 said:
What makes you say the Charge's screen is mediocre? While I dislike Samsung for a myriad of reasons, I find their display quality to be quite good, not just in vibrancy but color saturation as well. One of my employees has one and its MUCH better in the daylight than my Thunderbolt. My screen is almost unusable in the sun.
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Guess he doesn't like AMOLED. I do, but I guess there are some that do not. AMOLED technically uses less power as well than the LCD screens most phones have.

yareally said:
Guess he doesn't like AMOLED. I do, but I guess there are some that do not. AMOLED technically uses less power as well than the LCD screens most phones have.
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I do as well. My Captivate had an amazing screen and crappy everything else.....
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A girl I work with has an Infuse and I have to say the screen is pretty freakin awesome. The SAMOLED+ with the good ole RGB stripe pattern is much better than the earlier pentile matrix versions. Plus I think with the SAMOLED+ they got color representation way more accurate.
Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt

AMOLED screens are NOT more efficient in a variety of common uses on cell phones, such as reading a text message or viewing a HUGE number of web pages. In those applications it can eat 200% to 300% more power. If your Tbolt screen is hard to see in daylight, it's probably an issue with the ROM, not the screen. Mine is plenty bright in any lighting condition. I call the screen mediocre because it's resolution is about on par with everything else out there. The screen SEEMS more vivid because the contrast is better on an AMOLED. However, honesty of colors and whites is still off.
I had a dInc AMOLED. I liked it, but it did have some serious shortcomings. It's excuse for white was very sorry, and it's brightness was the single most pathetic thing I've ever seen. I honestly don't miss that screen. The newer AMOLEDs are better, but I'm not going to venture down that road again until that technology comes a good bit further. In my opinion, it needs to become at least twice as efficient on white screens and produce more honest colors. I think it will ultimately be the technology of the future, assuming color e-paper doesn't make some good strides, but it's not there today.

loonatik78 said:
Finally. I don't have to listen to gullible idiots pounding their meat in anticipation of... whatever is NEXT. Next up to bat: The Samsung Prime! Bet it's gonna have the same mediocre screen the Charge does and suck battery even faster!
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Mediocre compared to what? A 240hz 55in. LED TV? From reading multiple posts from you in various threads it seems you either argue for the sake of arguing, or your psyche literally requires a high level of negativity and conflict to function. I'm leaning more towards the former. Not to mention it appears you jump between googling for your info, dictionary.com, and your forum posts too much to actually comprehend the information properly or form a coherent,unbiased, individual opinion you didn't get from someone else. But thats just me. I just hope your next post isn't something along the lines of "How dare you, I'm a (enter college degree/major here) and worked for (enter some prestigious tech company here). I know what I'm talking about," that would just complete the stereotype too well.
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Thinking of writing an algorithm that checks to see how many times a new thread is opened that 1) asks what the best Sense Rom is 2) the best AOSP Rom is 3)Who hates their phone and why 4) the next awesome phone that comes out is sooooo much cooler than whatever phone I have now and 5) Oops I accidentally installed a Gingerbread Rom on my walkie talkie can someone help me?
If we get rid of all those threads how many you think we would have left?
Ok that's my completely useless rant for the evening please continue. D

TDubKong said:
Thinking of writing an algorithm that checks to see how many times a new thread is opened that 1) asks what the best Sense Rom is 2) the best AOSP Rom is 3)Who hates their phone and why 4) the next awesome phone that comes out is sooooo much cooler than whatever phone I have now and 5) Oops I accidentally installed a Gingerbread Rom on my walkie talkie can someone help me?
If we get rid of all those threads how many you think we would have left?
Ok that's my completely useless rant for the evening please continue. D
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1) Start by fetching the forum main pages via something like curl or wget using a text filter language like perl, python, awk (or even user javascript would work in the browser).
2) Filter out just the html that goes with the titles of the postings.
3) Use some regex magic to look for phrases like "hate" "best" "new" "when" etc.
4) Count the number of occurances by the titles or whatever else you want to do with it.
5) yay, done
Not motivated enough to actually write the class that does that though, lol

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1) Start by fetching the forum main pages via something like curl or wget using a text filter language like perl, python, awk (or even user javascript would work in the browser).
2) Filter out just the html that goes with the titles of the postings.
3) Use some regex magic to look for phrases like "hate" "best" "new" "when" etc.
4) Count the number of occurances by the titles or whatever else you want to do with it.
5) yay, done
Not motivated enough to actually write the class that does that though, lol
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lol. Not motivated enough to do it myself. I was just reading through a bunch of different posts and realized that there are a lot of them that are very similar. Not anything against the ones who post them. Just making an observation

TDubKong said:
lol. Not motivated enough to do it myself. I was just reading through a bunch of different posts and realized that there are a lot of them that are very similar. Not anything against the ones who post them. Just making an observation
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Yeah, there's tons of those postings in nearly all the xda forums. I've gotten point I mostly filter them out and ignore them
...well not this time at least

mb02 said:
Mediocre compared to what? A 240hz 55in. LED TV? From reading multiple posts from you in various threads it seems you either argue for the sake of arguing, or your psyche literally requires a high level of negativity and conflict to function. I'm leaning more towards the former. Not to mention it appears you jump between googling for your info, dictionary.com, and your forum posts too much to actually comprehend the information properly or form a coherent,unbiased, individual opinion you didn't get from someone else. But thats just me. I just hope your next post isn't something along the lines of "How dare you, I'm a (enter college degree/major here) and worked for (enter some prestigious tech company here). I know what I'm talking about," that would just complete the stereotype too well.
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LED TV's aren't AMOLED. They're LED backlit, as opposed to cold cathode.
I did figure out how to Google things a long time ago, but I tend to read up on something and it's competing technologies before I form an opinion. Then, when I have an opinion, it's actually an informed one and not the collective wisdom of the unwashed masses.
I've gone to college. I studied Theology. I did pretty good. I didn't get a degree, and even if I did, I wouldn't brag about it because I think college is where you go when you need someone else to vouch for your knowledge instead of yourself. In my life I've been to every corner of the US, made everything from soap to parts for Pratt & Whitney jet engines, been published a few times, and lots of other things.
It wasn't exactly out of cold bitterness and some desire to dispense negativity that I wrote the [q AND a] thread pinned at the top of the Q&A forum. Or, that I've helped a fair number of people by personally answering questions and walking them through things they didn't feel comfortable with. So, you got a bone to pick with me for thinking AOSP sucks ass, or AMOLEDs aren't a visual orgasm, or I just think some people are idiots. Oh well. Plenty of people think I'm a world-class asshole. Somehow I get by, hold down jobs, manage relationships with my girlfriend and my wife (yes, they know each other well), and develop and maintain friendships. Seems to me if I was really what you say, doing those things would be a bit of a challenge, don't you?

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Yeah, there's tons of those postings in nearly all the xda forums. I've gotten point I mostly filter them out and ignore them
...well not this time at least
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The ones that REALLY piss me off are the ones that toss out the stupidest questions, then DEMAND an answer. Not a link. Not how to find the answer. Sometimes not even just an answer, but one from only a dev. Am I the only one that wonders how they got to this point in life functioning like that?

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The ones that REALLY piss me off are the ones that toss out the stupidest questions, then DEMAND an answer. Not a link. Not how to find the answer. Sometimes not even just an answer, but one from only a dev. Am I the only one that wonders how they got to this point in life functioning like that?
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They probably work in Human Resources.

Galaxy S4... And others.... a bit.... meh?

This is likely to be first time in 7 years i haven't upgraded my phone upon a handset refresh.
I'm a terrible phone whore with very little loyalty to brand, i like to own the best phone of the moment and hop between manufacturers. I'd imagine most people on here do the same, with the exception of the insanely irreverent fanboys. Recently (Last 2 years) i've owned.. S2, iPhone 4S, S3, HTC One X and Nexus 4. (Also throw in a couple of dips to Sony and Windows Mobile for brief periods).
First of all, the S4 and the HTC One look like cracking devices. In my eyes they both have positives and negatives and if push came to shove and somebody forced me by gunpoint to pick one, i'd be hard pressed to make a decision.. Perhaps S4 but only because of the battery life and timely updates.. There really is little in it.. Anyone who thinks so is only splitting hairs.
If you're sat using an S2 or a mobile a good 2 years old i can truly appreciate what a jump that the S4 or HTC One to be for you. But if you're the kind of person who upgrades over a 12 month period, there really is little to excite at the moment.
I can't help but feel disappointing..
CPU:
This is the most frustrating topic... We've been steadily increasing in power with little gains in power management, Nvidia tried their best with that '5th core' but ultimately left us all wanting... I'd say the biggest single concern for most smartphone users is battery life now, struggling to make it through a heavy day is part and parcel of owning a mobile.
We are so very close to big.LITTLE kicking in and it seems to be that Samsung and HTC kicked off a little early, shown by the (almost complete) lack of availability of their Exynos variant..
If i bought the S4 or HTC One i'd feel almost cheated if the rumored battery performance of the upcoming CPUs in this segment are anything to go by.
Screen:
Mobile phone addiction aside, one of my other rather 'nerdy' fascination is with audio visual kit, much to my wifes misery.. Screen quality is undoubtedly a big thing for me, yet even i struggle to justify the move from a 720p resolution to a 1080p resolution on a screen only 4.7-5" big..
I've seen the HTC One in person and while i will confess at close proximity i can distinguish the difference, it is by no means the jump the market departments of said companies would like you to think.. I'd go as far to say that most (myself included) would struggle to notice the difference between the two during regular daily use.
LTE:
This is less the mobile manufacturers fault and more the networks but 4G coverage is absolutely woeful when you consider the mass rollout of hardware to utilize. I always thought the S3 LTE was pointless but was convinced this was the early warning sign the governments / networks needed to shift into gear, it doesn't appear to have happened. It's like giving everybody a Bugatti Veyron and telling them they're only allowed to drive it in speed limited residential areas..
I've got friends in the states and U.K and despite the rather gut-wrenching price they pay for LTE price plans, the performance seems poor. I do think we are a good year away from 4G being a realistic benefit to the average consumer, with small pockets of countries experiencing early gains if they live in the capital.
The only positive i can take away from all this is my other half does not have to watch me trawl through reviews, debate the best deal and then watch me giddy on the day of delivery...
Here's hopping next year is a little better!

Have to agree with this, nothing special so far

@OP ( dont wanna quote the whole post lol), trust me when i say that i am one of the biggest phone junkies around, i owned almost all of the flagship of 2012 and plan on owning quite a few in 2013. I see what you're saying when you say " meh" cause phones like the nexus 4, S3, Optimus G and note 2 are already mighty powerful but i think this is where samsung and HTC lead the pack and differentiate themselves with other brands. HTC came out with the best design a phone ever had ( in my opinion) and fantastic sound quality while samsung is expanding its crazy awesome features ( gimmicky for some, absolutely great for me). Its hard to outdo the great phones that came out last year so my question is what did you expect?

I think you need to find more hobbies/occupations in your life tbh.

But to be honest, we are at a point where technology, and especially phones are improving at a very systematical and incremental ways.
Slightly better processor
Slightly better camera
Slightly better screen
Slightly better battery
Really, we will be stuck on this pattern until something revolutionary comes into the mobile market.

JaeKay said:
But to be honest, we are at a point where technology, and especially phones are improving at a very systematical and incremental ways.
Slightly better processor
Slightly better camera
Slightly better screen
Slightly better battery
Really, we will be stuck on this pattern until something revolutionary comes into the mobile market.
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Yeah, but with all that, there's a lot that's looked over. Like if you have a Samsung Smart TV you can stream what is on your TV to your phoen anywhere you go.
We now have a IR controller with a built in TV Guide. Built in reminder to remind you also. Links to Rotten Tomatoes for movies.
There's a lot more. I just don't know what is revolutionary anymore. The problem is other technology has to catch up, like TVs, Amplifiers and audio receivers, car GPS, etc. The only thing the phone can do now is control and interact with other things.
What can honestly be revolutionary with current technology and our phones now?

How about work on voice call clarity. This quality has been the same Damn thing since the nokia brick phones lol
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Squirrel1620 said:
How about work on voice call clarity. This quality has been the same Damn thing since the nokia brick phones lol
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The thing is in a day I make max 20 min call time but day in day out 4+hours screen time, iyam this is the norm so this dictates developments, so I bet we get stuck with ok call quality.

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The thing is in a day I make max 20 min call time but day in day out 4+hours screen time, iyam this is the norm so this dictates developments, so I bet we get stuck with ok call quality.
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20 min the norm? Speak for yourself.

j510 said:
20 min the norm? Speak for yourself.
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I know but how about getting a different phone if your prime use is phoning, like a 2g that'll give you 2/3 days, or if you're making calls while indoors plug it in or use a land line, flagship smartphones are computing devices not really phones any more.

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This is likely to be first time in 7 years i haven't upgraded my phone upon a handset refresh.
I'm a terrible phone whore with very little loyalty to brand...!
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While I agree that the upgrades in the GS4 are barely a full generation ahead of the GS3, which is unfortunate given how much a jump the GS2 was over the GS1, and how much the GS1 was ahead of anything else at its time... there is a sort-of point about diminishing returns here as well. It's harder to "improve" certain aspects but so much, as we're beginning to hit the limits of what can even be perceived as an upgrade.
I mean, think about the screen. Very low res -> QVGA -> WVGA -> 720p -> 1080p. Well that's great, but for the next generation, where do you go? There's really no perceivable need to put anything higher into a sub 5" device. Maybe flexible screens? Unbreakable screens? etc etc? That's still not gonna actually increase the photonic information presented to your eyes from the device.
Or take the physical phone body. The GS4 is pushing the screen so far that it's easily covering 80-90% of the entire front surface area. So okay, next gen, you make the entire front surface a screen. Then what? Make the phone thinner? Well, at a certain point you hit a limit there as well. People can only grasp and comfortably hold objects of up to a certain depth. When you get it smaller than that, you're basically just printing a screen onto a knife blade. So that's no good...
Let's try connectivity. LTE and 802.11ac? Most cell networks couldn't saturate their LTE links if they tried, they simply don't have the capacity yet. And even if they did... You're telling me you can even find a use-case where your phone is pumping out/in 100+ mbit/s of data? I mean, at home it's nice to move music/videos/files around sure. But I highly doubt anyone is routinely moving gigabytes of data per hour on any sort of mobile device. Once you hit what you need for say HD video streaming... where else is there to go? Again, the next generation doesn't really need to move data any faster than this.
Sensors? Well, there's actually lots of room for improvement here. And also, un-coincidentally, this is where the GS4 has some the of greatest advantage over other current/last generation devices. While we're still pretty far away from a proper tricorder, we can now sense via magnetometer, accelerometer, gyroscope, light sensor, infrared sensor, microphones, thermometer, hydrometer, barometer, and two cameras... But building sensors isn't the hard part. It's building clever software to do something with these sensors.
I could go on further... but the point I should think is clear. Yea, it's a bit disappointing that nothing since the original GS1/GS2 has really been a full "generation and a half" ahead of the competition... but a large portion of that is simply because we're beginning to hit the ceiling with some of these improvements. Yea, in 20 years "phones" will be unpredictably evolved from what we have now. But I bet the screens still won't have any higher effective PPI than what we're approaching now...

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posting to hit 10 posts so I can actually post in development section....wth.....
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Wrong and wrong.
1) There's a reason you need to post elsewhere first.
2) The fact that you say "what the hell" to that requirement further shows you are not yet ready to post in development.
3) Spamming random unrelated comments into random threads is not the way to reach the 10 post minimum
I suggest you start by reading the rules and the stickies.
Have a nice day, and welcome to XDA.

Im only getting it becuase i wanted a smaller note 2 with no spen. The s4 gives me that with plenty of horsepower. Plus the 32gb $250 price point is a good sell. If the htc one had a replaceable battery it would of been a no brainer based on design alone.

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posting to hit 10 posts so I can actually post in development section....wth.....
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*Face palm* If there's one place where you never post something like that, it's XDA. The moderators here take people who break the rules pretty seriously.
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I wish we could have a revolutionary phone come out like the Galaxy SII did. Even today, Galaxy SII is unsurpassed with performance. Is there any app or game that it can't run? I mean, it came out nearly 2 years ago, and still has not been matched by an app.
I hope Galaxy SV comes in the way of the revolution.

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I never said my prime use is phone calls. I just said 20 min is not the norm. And again where do you get your information. No matter what phone whether it is a dumb phone or smart phone, one of the main focus of a phone period involves making phone calls. Otherwise it would be called a multimedia device and not a phone.

jahjah440 said:
I wish we could have a revolutionary phone come out like the Galaxy SII did. Even today, Galaxy SII is unsurpassed with performance. Is there any app or game that it can't run? I mean, it came out nearly 2 years ago, and still has not been matched by an app.
I hope Galaxy SV comes in the way of the revolution.
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Wait, what, lol!
Pretty sure the Gs1 started the trend there. Gs2 was nice, but nothing revolutionary.... The s3 was by far the best in the series thus far, until this one comes out.
With that said, I like my Note 2 more so than my s3.
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I think the Note series has been pretty revolutionary and Samsung has worked hard to come up with clever things to do with the stylus.
I don't know what big hardware improvements are left to do. The one I would like the most is 3-D capabilities, both screen and camera, like the Evo 3D. I would imagine in the last two years the technology has gotten better and Samsung could market it a lot better than HTC. Plus there is more 3D content than two years ago. Samsung could also do cool things with 3D and the hover technology.

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I never said my prime use is phone calls. I just said 20 min is not the norm. And again where do you get your information. No matter what phone whether it is a dumb phone or smart phone, one of the main focus of a phone period involves making phone calls. Otherwise it would be called a multimedia device and not a phone.
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Ah well tough break, I guess this phone isn't for you then.

Shammyh said:
While I agree that the upgrades in the GS4 are barely a full generation ahead of the GS3, which is unfortunate given how much a jump the GS2 was over the GS1, and how much the GS1 was ahead of anything else at its time... there is a sort-of point about diminishing returns here as well. It's harder to "improve" certain aspects but so much, as we're beginning to hit the limits of what can even be perceived as an upgrade.
I mean, think about the screen. Very low res -> QVGA -> WVGA -> 720p -> 1080p. Well that's great, but for the next generation, where do you go? There's really no perceivable need to put anything higher into a sub 5" device. Maybe flexible screens? Unbreakable screens? etc etc? That's still not gonna actually increase the photonic information presented to your eyes from the device.
Or take the physical phone body. The GS4 is pushing the screen so far that it's easily covering 80-90% of the entire front surface area. So okay, next gen, you make the entire front surface a screen. Then what? Make the phone thinner? Well, at a certain point you hit a limit there as well. People can only grasp and comfortably hold objects of up to a certain depth. When you get it smaller than that, you're basically just printing a screen onto a knife blade. So that's no good...
Let's try connectivity. LTE and 802.11ac? Most cell networks couldn't saturate their LTE links if they tried, they simply don't have the capacity yet. And even if they did... You're telling me you can even find a use-case where your phone is pumping out/in 100+ mbit/s of data? I mean, at home it's nice to move music/videos/files around sure. But I highly doubt anyone is routinely moving gigabytes of data per hour on any sort of mobile device. Once you hit what you need for say HD video streaming... where else is there to go? Again, the next generation doesn't really need to move data any faster than this.
Sensors? Well, there's actually lots of room for improvement here. And also, un-coincidentally, this is where the GS4 has some the of greatest advantage over other current/last generation devices. While we're still pretty far away from a proper tricorder, we can now sense via magnetometer, accelerometer, gyroscope, light sensor, infrared sensor, microphones, thermometer, hydrometer, barometer, and two cameras... But building sensors isn't the hard part. It's building clever software to do something with these sensors.
I could go on further... but the point I should think is clear. Yea, it's a bit disappointing that nothing since the original GS1/GS2 has really been a full "generation and a half" ahead of the competition... but a large portion of that is simply because we're beginning to hit the ceiling with some of these improvements. Yea, in 20 years "phones" will be unpredictably evolved from what we have now. But I bet the screens still won't have any higher effective PPI than what we're approaching now...
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I have to disagree about LTE. That 100mbs conection is shared across possibly 100's of users and it does not take alot to bring it down to it's knees.
Video of sub 500kbs LTE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-VVwPqhXwI
That and really 2,3,4,5,10 GB is not really that much data if you plan using the LTE speeds fully. If I didn't have a unlimited plan, my bill would be higher in a month than what my phone cost.
I will say your right about the screen 1080p is good, well really for most 720p does the trick. ( I can still see the dot's on a 720p 4.3in screen though, but most can't.)

V10 >>>Banter BONANZA<<< and Tagline Thread _______________

So the Root thread was starting to get out of hand.
If you want to "talk shop" or "shoot teh $hit", let's do that here and keep the Root thread clean for development headway.
Got a few thoughts on the V10 myself.
1) Battery life is not the best, leaves me desiring more.
2) When wearing a case, the Volumptuous10 has a very "specific" spot it likes to be touched. (we are talking about the fingerprint reader here... get your mind outta the gutter)
3) General performance is pretty good, but graphic prowess is severely lacking. Wished LG had used something other than the 808
4) Speaker is a bit weak for my uses. I often work in loud environments where using speakerphone on calls is necessary just to hear the other party
5) I miss having dual cellular radios. Means no simultaneous data and voice calls unless using your Carriers "advanced calling" app/feature. Not an ideal solution
6) Second screen is useful, but too restricted. I hope LG opens this up more to 3rd party apps that can expand its usability 100 fold
7) Picture quality for me is softer on the V10 when compared to the G4 in side by side shots. I have tested this under many different conditions
8) WOULD CARRIERS STOP LOCKING DOWN OUR DEVICES AND LOADING THEM UP WITH CRAPWARE ALREADY ???? damn.....
9) Love the design. Looking at it reminds me of Star Wars imperial designs. I have officially named my V10 " TIE-Fighter X " . And I guess the relation to the Dark Side is fitting seeing that Verizon just had to brand the back plate.
That brings me to TAG LINES. If you have one bouncing around in that noggin of yours, let it loose here...
1st point on my list above spawned this thought.
Tag line reads: " V10 battery life got you down? Could've had a V8 "
Needs to have an image to go along with this. Someone make me one??
And my feelings about the battery life and design of this spectacular device come with a development request.
SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A STAR WARS ROM FOR THIS BEAST!!! I beg of you.
Call it something like "Star Destroyer", or "Vader's Vain". Maybe even "DeathStar". Get creative.
As you can see by the title of this thread and the content within... ANYTHING GOES.
Have at it !!!

Why in the bloody hell does the default camera app have to sharpen every image. I think LG wants to compensate on everything *wink wink*

Battery life is ... Meh... ok though.. two batteries / fast charging is a nice option...
also, and probably the bigger topic. I can talk and use data (either on the device itself or tethering via Foxfi) at the same time. I'm not doing anything special but it works for me.

Development for this phone it's pretty much non existent. I should have kept my nexus 6 or bought the newest note.
The second screen is a total waste at this point and a awful gimmick that managed to suck me in to buy the phone. ( that was one of the reasons I bought it).
This is my first and probably last LGv phone.
Battery life is less than desirable but so are most Android phones.

TheRealKingSen said:
Development for this phone it's pretty much non existent. I should have kept my nexus 6 or bought the newest note.
The second screen is a total waste at this point and a awful gimmick that managed to suck me in to buy the phone. ( that was one of the reasons I bought it).
This is my first and probably last LGv phone.
Battery life is less than desirable but so are most Android phones.
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Is your name Nancy by chance?
I like the second screen. use it to control pandora (or music app) while in another app or while screen is off, quick apps to launch (from anywhere), answer or ignore phone calls without it taking over your screen. I extended the text notification to ten seconds so if i see one come in I have time to click on it to bring it up or swipe it away. anyhow. just my opinion. Hope it grows on you and if not that you are able to trade someone for a phone you like better.

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Why in the bloody hell does the default camera app have to sharpen every image. I think LG wants to compensate on everything *wink wink*
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I tested my V10 side by side with my mothers G4. Her G4 takes a sharper shot on almost every attempt. This is testing them literally side x side taking shots in various conditions.
So either the software on the V10 need tweaking, or I bought my Mom a killer G4. LOL Just my $.02
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I can talk and use data (either on the device itself or tethering via Foxfi) at the same time. I'm not doing anything special but it works for me.
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Log into your Verizon account online and look on the right side of the page. You should see "Plan Management" in red letters. Right under that are 2 red buttons. Click on the [My Products and Apps].
On the next page under the Get Products tab, click on "Free Products". You should see HD Voice. If that is enabled already, that might be why you can do that.
Now the feature that originally allowed you to use data and voice simultaneously used to be listed here under the name Advanced Calling 1.0. It does not appear there any more, but it was there just a month ago. I am not sure if it has been rolled up into the HD Voice or not, but it's probably baked into all current Verizon phone Roms (official). And probably enabled by default.
What it does is call over your data connection (basically like VOIP) thus you are not really using voice and data simultaneously. You are making calls over LTE while still using LTE.
Try going out to an area where there is no LTE and you will find that you cannot use the Advanced Calling while on 3G. AC can also drop calls if you are in an area where LTE signal is weak, or you are moving around a large distance at a time (driving, etc.)
Its a compromise, but it certainly does not make up for the true capabilities of separate radios.
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Development for this phone it's pretty much non existent. I should have kept my nexus 6 or bought the newest note.
The second screen is a total waste at this point and a awful gimmick that managed to suck me in to buy the phone. ( that was one of the reasons I bought it).
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Gimmick.... eh, maybe somewhat. "Eye of the beholder" I suppose. I think it would have made more sense on the bottom, but then it just would have been a longer screen.
The way I see it being useful is having it on the bottom where your nav bar would be, and allowing it to swipe and change to something else beside the nav buttons. And this would give you back the screen space that you are loosing to the nav bar. But like I said, then you just have a longer screen overall.
Custom Roms already have features like this, so it wont be anything revolutionary except to those that didn't know such a thing existed.
I think it will gain more traction when LG decides to let devs expand on the 2nd screens functions and 3rd party support.
But the phone is beautiful right? The Note used to be my favorite phone line, but now it is in the dumpster along with the whole Galaxy line-up. It lays right there next to the iFone slopped in decaying banana guts, just beneath the rotting apple.

I've had Samsung phones back to the Captivate, and I REALLY like what LG has put out with the V10. For me it isnt so much a drastic change in the GUI/Software, that's all really just a change in the "theme". GUI wise, it's a bit refreshing to get away from Sammy. Hardware wise, I LOVE what LG did with this device, it's far more solid feeling than my Note III. It has a great weight. It did take a little getting use to the button placement, but after a month or 2 it's really MUCH more intuitive than the placement on the side rails. I suppose the bump to a higher rated processor would've been really nice, but for my usage I see zero lag/performance issues.
So to carry over from the Root bounty thread, and I KNOW this will cause a fury of discussions on device lock down/Root/locked bootloaders
I've mentioned this before in other areas, and unfortunately, I believe this is the way things are going to continue to move.
One of the things I think we (here at XDA) fail to realize is the full scope of a devices impact in the market versus the size and scope of XDA's "footprint". Take the S6 and S6 edge as an example. Estimated combined device sales figures are somewhere around 45 million (as of June 2015). XDA's current membership is close to 7 million in total, for ALL devices. If you (generously imo) estimate that 10% of all XDA members own a S6 or S6 edge, that would account for around 1.6% of the devices total sales.
As someone said in the other thread, that "we" should boycott the carries that are locking devices down...... under 2% of total sales(again for the S6/S6 Edge as the example)? I think they would barely even notice
It just makes really good business sense to cater sales to large scale corporations who require a secure device. Which is why I think Big Red and Big Blue are locking the devices down. This model, is really just securing all of the business that they ripped away from Blackberry.
T-Mo, seems to be moving in a different direction by catering to the "younger generation"/family's, etc. Which doesn't really "require" a locked system.
I think that we are still very lucky to have some really talented folks who are still able to dig in and get things done. Unfortunately, I fear this is going to become more and more difficult to do
This is all "what I think", not "what I know" so take it with a grain of salt

@fire3element
Log into your Verizon account online and look on the right side of the page. You should see "Plan Management" in red letters. Right under that are 2 red buttons. Click on the [My Products and Apps].
On the next page under the Get Products tab, click on "Free Products". You should see HD Voice. If that is enabled already, that might be why you can do that.
You were right... It was enabled on my line. I have been able to do this since I had my Rezound though (also on my G2). I still have an UDP and could talk while tethering or surfing... don't know why (rooted, custom ROM???) anyway. glad it is still working and I'll try it if I get into a place without 4G and report back. anyway..

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You were right... It was enabled on my line. I have been able to do this since I had my Rezound though (also on my G2.
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I am pretty sure that the Rezound had separate data and voice radios. Let me clarify that. LTE radio is separate from the 3g/1x radio. The Note 3 and I believe up to the S5 have separated raidos. Think that changed with the Note 4 and other phone that came out around that time.
Note 3 had the 801 chipset, so most phones around that time had the same radio setup.
Snapdragon and other manufactures started merging to single radio setups to conserve power. The result is hindered operation, which is trying to be solved with software. Seems ok till you don't have a strong LTE signal or no LTE at all. The call dropping is also very aggravating. Specially those that use their devices for business... _________________yeah

Hate to admit it.. But guess that was just dumb luck. I normally have week LTE @my brothers house. I'll try it out next time I'm there.

kangi26 said:
I've mentioned this before in other areas, and unfortunately, I believe this is the way things are going to continue to move.
One of the things I think we (here at XDA) fail to realize is the full scope of a devices impact in the market versus the size and scope of XDA's "footprint".
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Yes, you are absolutely right. We are of little to no significance to the phone makers, but there IS a large market to influence with Unlockable devices. As has been proven with Nexus, One+, and Motorola sales.
On the subject of T-mobile, I think the majority of their decision to allow Unlockable devices is purely grasping at straws for more customers. That and the fact they realize the % of users that are even interested in this is just a small portion of the customer base, thus fairly irrelevant vs. being something that impacts their bottom line.
BUT WHY WON'T GOOGLE FORCE ALL MANUFACTURES TO ALLOW BOOTLOADER UNLOCKS FOR USERS THAT CHOOSE TO DO SO?? I mean it is GOOGLE's OS. They could make this mandatory.
And implement it the same way the Nexus line does. You can unlock your Bootloader, but you are forced to wipe the device in the process. Yes there could be ways around this, but so exist exploits to gain Root on devices without wiping.
I think Motorola has a good policy on this. You are allowed to officially unlock your Bootloader upon agreement that Moto is not responsible for your security thereafter, and your warranty is now VOID.
I see little risk allowing this with all devices. And this is what Android SHOULD BE.
Users need to have the choice to do with their devices what they want. I have a feeling that there is a bigger player in this that is keeping the Gubermint from forcing manufactures to abide by this like they did to Verizon with the Carrier unlocking.

fire3element said:
Yes, you are absolutely right. We are of little to no significance to the phone makers, but there IS a large market to influence with Unlockable devices. As has been proven with Nexus, One+, and Motorola sales.
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I think that if we look a little at the device sales for last year,
Samsung sold 392 million
Lenovo, Motorola sold 84 million
LG sold 76 million (this would include Nexus)
and so on and so on(sales numbers get smaller). I think what were looking at is complete dominance in the handset market. Even Apple only sold 191 million, not even close to Sammy!
So to me, it's a "Do what you can to stay a viable device manufacturer", and to do that you have to get as many sales as you can. Being in IT in the Healthcare industry, I know what the company I work for requires. The more secure the manufacturer can make the device, the more likely they'll be in the running to get a sale/contract
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On the subject of T-mobile, I think the majority of their decision to allow Unlockable devices is purely grasping at straws for more customers. That and the fact they realize the % of users that are even interested in this is just a small portion of the customer base, thus fairly irrelevant vs. being something that impacts their bottom line.
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I think you're spot on here! I've thought that for a while too
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BUT WHY WON'T GOOGLE FORCE ALL MANUFACTURES TO ALLOW BOOTLOADER UNLOCKS FOR USERS THAT CHOOSE TO DO SO?? I mean it is GOOGLE's OS. They could make this mandatory.
And implement it the same way the Nexus line does.
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I think that it's because Google is in the market to sell it's OS, and if they can provide a product that will sell and ship on well over 500 million devices in 2014. That's what I call makin' money!
To be honest, I've always thought that the reason Google came out with the Nexus line was to maintain a platform that was "Pure Google" knowing full well that the rest of the industry was going to be changed. And keep it the way the first rolled out and hoped it would be. I think that's really cool

I enjoyed the dialog you two posted and agree with it all and the parts in the middle.
Thanks Kangi26 and Fire3Element, good stuff.

This is my first LG device and in happy that I purchased it. I've read all through the forum people are complaining about things that could've been avoided before you left the carrier store or where ever the device was purchased. When I went in I had three devices in mind, this device the note 5 and Samsung Galaxy S6. I tested all three over an hour and half time frame and ended up choosing the LG V10. I've even dropped it or its been knocked off my counter to tile flooring about 4 or 5 times with no issues. The only thing that I've found that I don't like is the LG keyboard so I switched to the Google keyboard... Problem solved. I have good battery life, so I'm happy

Overall, I am happy with this phone. Yes there are some nitpicks, but ALL devices have them.
The fact that I still get a removable battery and microSD card slot more than make up for the rest of the V10's issues.
But I will say I am still a Note fan. If the Note 5 had kept the removable battery and SD card, I'd most likely have bought the Note 5. My Note 3 has been an absolute beast, and still is to this day.
Unfortunately, the LTE reception issues have been getting so bad that I was forced to upgrade to a new phone. Otherwise, I would still be using my Note 3 until SamSmug got their $tuff together. If the V10 gets Root, I will be more than happy. Hope for a Bootloader unlock as well.

this thread is what we needed to vent and just bs. thanks bud.

fire3element said:
Overall, I am happy with this phone. Yes there are some nitpicks, but ALL devices have them.
The fact that I still get a removable battery and microSD card slot more than make up for the rest of the V10's issues.
But I will say I am still a Note fan. If the Note 5 had kept the removable battery and SD card, I'd most likely have bought the Note 5. My Note 3 has been an absolute beast, and still is to this day.
Unfortunately, the LTE reception issues have been getting so bad that I was forced to upgrade to a new phone. Otherwise, I would still be using my Note 3 until SamSmug got their $tuff together. If the V10 gets Root, I will be more than happy. Hope for a Bootloader unlock as well.
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I really loved my Note 3 as well, and was really on the fence with the Note 5. I loved the size and how small the screen bezels are, but there were a couple things that I really didn't like at all. The removable battery/no SD slot wasn't the straw that broke the camels back, it was oddly the glass back. I had that thing in my hand at the AT&T store, and it was WAY too slick for me
And really when I got the V10 in my hands, it just felt so much better than even my Note 3, I bought it on the spot (I had been looking at the specs for a while too)

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The removable battery/no SD slot wasn't the straw that broke the camels back, it was oddly the glass back. I had that thing in my hand at the AT&T store, and it was WAY too slick for me
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This is where we differ the most then. I absolutely have to have a case on my phones due to working conditions. After having the Zero Lemon extended battery + case on several phones, there is no way I would ever sacrifice having a removable batt on my main device again. That is unless there are no longer any phones with removable batt.
I had contemplated building a design just like what Zero Lemon sells back when I had my LG VX8700 flip phone. A triple cell battery that covered the entire length of the phone just made sense to me. I pondered on it for a while, but did not see how I could get a manufacture to build them.
Then when I got my Droid X, I bought 3 batteries and attempted to build one. It seemed to work ok, but again my working conditions are harsh. I had to stop using it in fear that I would lose/drop them while working.
Now that there is a manufacture making these tri-cell batteries, I don't think I could ever live without one. Just so close to what I had envisioned years ago so I guess it means more to me than most.
Not everyone's idea of portable I suppose. But when you can tether for 48hrs straight and never have to worry that your battery is going to go dead... now THATS POWAR!!!
Prob could jump start your car off one of these. LoL

fire3element said:
But when you can tether for 48hrs straight and never have to worry that your battery is going to go dead... now THATS POWAR!!!
Prob could jump start your car off one of these. LoL
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HAA!! That's a riot!!
You know, that gives me an idea! You could take a spare back for the V10, epoxy it to one of these, run a cable to the USB ports.
You could run FOREVER, and jump a car all at the same time!!
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fire3element said:
This is where we differ the most then. I absolutely have to have a case on my phones due to working conditions. After having the Zero Lemon extended battery + case on several phones, there is no way I would ever sacrifice having a removable batt on my main device again.
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In the past few years, I've not been quite the power user I use to be, and also saw that the N5 had an option for larger memory (Not the BEST options, but I could've lived with it). And even my career changed too, so even a case isnt NEARLY as important as it use to be for me (I was in construction, so Otterbox was a MUST)

This very type of thread was created back when the device was launched here.
No need to start another.
Please carry on in the Lounge:good:
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Thank you.