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Was just offered a MT4G or Samsung Vibrant..

The speed on my Vibrant (I'm within my remorse period) is not an issue and it has been working just fine for over a week now. No freezes and no amount of lag to complain about at all. I don't have a data service since I'm usually always around spots with WiFI so the data features on the MT4G are nice and MIGHT come in handy whenever I decide to add a data plan but not at this moment. I miss the LED indicator which the Vibrant does not have and I would love a FFC and LED flash but I'm in LOVE with the Vibrants display and I guess I can live without the LED/FFC although it would be nice to have. Opinions?
BTW, I paid 50 bucks for my Vibrant from T-Mobile. I'll be paying the same amount for the MT4G.

honestly i thought i would miss the display too but after about a day i forgot all about it

From someone who has a Vibrant and MT4G (I will eventually have to pick one, but have both for now), you will find the MT4G screen is absolutely garbage infront of the Vibrant's. The LCD on the MT4G looks washed out and low quality when compared to the SuperAMOLED on the Vibrant. So, the Vibrant has its fair share of problems (one of my biggest problems is terrible battery life) but the screen is unmatched and if you have used a Vibrant, you will feel like you are downgrading when using the MT4G (in regards to the screen).
Oh and the MT4G is noticeably heavier than the Vibrant. It isn't that the MT4G is "heavy", but rather it is that the Vibrant is light.

I actually like the MT4G's screen better. It displays text MUCH sharper. Text is very pixelated and blocky on the vibrant.
Anyway, the MT4G is the better phone. Faster all around and has many more features.

I personally don't get what all the hubub about the display is. Yes, it is incredibly nice. But it's not as though we had Nokia 6600 screens on our phones before the Vibrant. The screen on the MT4G seems to be just as nice to look at as the Nexus, Droid Incredible, Droid Eris, or any of a multitude of other phones out there, that people seem to be really happy about.
Why didn't we hear any of this back in the G1 days?
"Man, I like the G1. But I just can't give up the screen on my iPhone/3G."
or
"Man, the Nexus is really tight, and all, but after using the HD2, I just can't go back to a screen smaller than a PSP." (ok, that was hyperbole... but you get what I'm saying)
And I'm not accusing you of doing this. Thi sjust seems to be an argument that is made time and time again by hardcore Vibrant fans.

Kienz said:
I personally don't get what all the hubub about the display is. Yes, it is incredibly nice. But it's not as though we had Nokia 6600 screens on our phones before the Vibrant. The screen on the MT4G seems to be just as nice to look at as the Nexus, Droid Incredible, Droid Eris, or any of a multitude of other phones out there, that people seem to be really happy about.
Why didn't we hear any of this back in the G1 days?
"Man, I like the G1. But I just can't give up the screen on my iPhone/3G."
or
"Man, the Nexus is really tight, and all, but after using the HD2, I just can't go back to a screen smaller than a PSP." (ok, that was hyperbole... but you get what I'm saying)
And I'm not accusing you of doing this. Thi sjust seems to be an argument that is made time and time again by hardcore Vibrant fans.
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This is my biggest Issue, Will I miss the SAMOLED??

Ok, ask yourself this:
Do you have an HDTV? Is it 120Hz? 240? If so, does it make your stomache turn to look at a regular, or less-than-1080p tv? Do movies in theaters look like trash to you?
If not, then don't fall for the "This is the latest thing, and before you had this your life was meaningless" nonsense. Yes, if you read posts about how much better the screen is, on a daily basis, you will find yourself comparing the two. And, as such, you will probably start feeling as though you miss it. But were you really unhappy about your screen's display before you got the Vibrant? Did you find yourself longing for an S-Amoled screen, even though we had no idea what one would look like before seeing the Vibrant? Probably not.
I bet I can tell you what you WON'T miss, though.
A lack of led notifications.
A lack of Flash.
A lack of an FM radio.
A lack of pc sync. (Kies? Really?)
A data port/charging port that was brilliantly place on the top of the phone.
The drag-your-feet manner in which Samsung makes updates available to their customers.
The inexplicably convoluted RFS files system, which inevitibly causes lag on the phone.
And possibly a few other things. But, again, not trying to point fingers, or sound accusatory. Just sharing my opinion. And, by the way, I did love the display. But the only time I really miss it is when I read about how great it was.
My .02

Kienz said:
Ok, ask yourself this:
Do you have an HDTV? Is it 120Hz? 240? If so, does it make your stomache turn to look at a regular, or less-than-1080p tv? Do movies in theaters look like trash to you?
If not, then don't fall for the "This is the latest thing, and before you had this your life was meaningless" nonsense. Yes, if you read posts about how much better the screen is, on a daily basis, you will find yourself comparing the two. And, as such, you will probably start feeling as though you miss it. But were you really unhappy about your screen's display before you got the Vibrant? Did you find yourself longing for an S-Amoled screen, even though we had no idea what one would look like before seeing the Vibrant? Probably not.
I bet I can tell you what you WON'T miss, though.
A lack of led notifications.
A lack of Flash.
A lack of an FM radio.
A lack of pc sync. (Kies? Really?)
A data port/charging port that was brilliantly place on the top of the phone.
The drag-your-feet manner in which Samsung makes updates available to their customers.
The inexplicably convoluted RFS files system, which inevitibly causes lag on the phone.
And possibly a few other things. But, again, not trying to point fingers, or sound accusatory. Just sharing my opinion. And, by the way, I did love the display. But the only time I really miss it is when I read about how great it was.
My .02
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^ completely agree.
I'm coming from a Nexus One into G2 into the myTouch. When I first started using the myTouch, I couldn't help but frown as the screen didn't look as crisp or clear as the G2's. But this phone won me over with all it's other features and impressive hardware. That, and I actually like Sense whereas TouchWiz made me think I was playing with a toy.

Kienz said:
Ok, ask yourself this:
Do you have an HDTV? Is it 120Hz? 240? If so, does it make your stomache turn to look at a regular, or less-than-1080p tv? Do movies in theaters look like trash to you?
If not, then don't fall for the "This is the latest thing, and before you had this your life was meaningless" nonsense. Yes, if you read posts about how much better the screen is, on a daily basis, you will find yourself comparing the two. And, as such, you will probably start feeling as though you miss it. But were you really unhappy about your screen's display before you got the Vibrant? Did you find yourself longing for an S-Amoled screen, even though we had no idea what one would look like before seeing the Vibrant? Probably not.
I bet I can tell you what you WON'T miss, though.
A lack of led notifications.
A lack of Flash.
A lack of an FM radio.
A lack of pc sync. (Kies? Really?)
A data port/charging port that was brilliantly place on the top of the phone.
The drag-your-feet manner in which Samsung makes updates available to their customers.
The inexplicably convoluted RFS files system, which inevitibly causes lag on the phone.
And possibly a few other things. But, again, not trying to point fingers, or sound accusatory. Just sharing my opinion. And, by the way, I did love the display. But the only time I really miss it is when I read about how great it was.
My .02
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+1... and add to the list the HSDPA+, FFC (eventhough you won't use it, it's still better to know you have it in case you need it) and 256MB of extra RAM... phones are not meant for watching movies.. and it's not like movies are unwatchable on MT4G.. as it's still gorgeous! i think when it comes to phones, you have to look at the features and the sturdy feel on the device, which in my opinion the samsung lacks compared to MT4G.. now if you're comparing MT4G to DESIRE HD, now that's a different story.. that belongs to the other thread..

Coming from the Vibrant I must say how extremely happy I am. I had a totally modded Vibrant to get the speed that the MT4G has right out of the box. The battery life of the Vibrant is horrible. The MT4G is a beast............extremely happy to have my MT4G.....oh yea after 3 to 4 days you get used to the screen, I dont watch movies on it so not that big of a deal me.

DADDYDC650 said:
The speed on my Vibrant (I'm within my remorse period) is not an issue and it has been working just fine for over a week now. No freezes and no amount of lag to complain about at all. I don't have a data service since I'm usually always around spots with WiFI so the data features on the MT4G are nice and MIGHT come in handy whenever I decide to add a data plan but not at this moment. I miss the LED indicator which the Vibrant does not have and I would love a FFC and LED flash but I'm in LOVE with the Vibrants display and I guess I can live without the LED/FFC although it would be nice to have. Opinions?
BTW, I paid 50 bucks for my Vibrant from T-Mobile. I'll be paying the same amount for the MT4G.
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You posted the exact same thing on the t-mobile forums. How many times you going to post this? Looking for a dog to throw you a bone?
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/myTouch-4G/Was-just-offered-a-MT4G-or-Samsung-Vibrant/td-p/541416
Same ****, same story.

Couldn't agree with you more and btw, the setup I have now with my vibrant gives me tremendous battery life (check sig )
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From someone who has a Vibrant and MT4G (I will eventually have to pick one, but have both for now), you will find the MT4G screen is absolutely garbage infront of the Vibrant's. The LCD on the MT4G looks washed out and low quality when compared to the SuperAMOLED on the Vibrant. So, the Vibrant has its fair share of problems (one of my biggest problems is terrible battery life) but the screen is unmatched and if you have used a Vibrant, you will feel like you are downgrading when using the MT4G (in regards to the screen).
Oh and the MT4G is noticeably heavier than the Vibrant. It isn't that the MT4G is "heavy", but rather it is that the Vibrant is light.
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kamasi36 said:
You posted the exact same thing on the t-mobile forums. How many times you going to post this? Looking for a dog to throw you a bone?
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/myTouch-4G/Was-just-offered-a-MT4G-or-Samsung-Vibrant/td-p/541416
Same ****, same story.
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Someone's parents didn't love them enough.
Note how the OP for both threads is the same, asking the same question. Now try to think why I would post the same answer.

DarkAgent said:
Someone's parents didn't love them enough.
Note how the OP for both threads is the same, asking the same question. Now try to think why I would post the same answer.
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Maybe I wanted opinions from different follks? Not everyone knows about XDA. My bad for being excited for my new 50 dollar device. =)

I came from the G2, I don't really notice the difference in the screen and I don't think you can unless you put them next to each other. I know the Vibrant has a better screen but all the new benefits and 4G and more RAM and now with root this is a great device. The feel is really good and the battery life is not better than the vibrant.

DADDYDC650 said:
Maybe I wanted opinions from different follks? Not everyone knows about XDA. My bad for being excited for my new 50 dollar device. =)
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Oh I don't blame you -- I understand why you did it. I probably would have done the same. I was simply replying to the guy *****ing about how I posted the same answer.

DarkAgent said:
Oh I don't blame you -- I understand why you did it. I probably would have done the same. I was simply replying to the guy *****ing about how I posted the same answer.
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I was actually replying to that guy. Guess I quoted the wrong post. Sorry about that!
BTW, how are you liking your MT4G?

DADDYDC650 said:
I was actually replying to that guy. Guess I quoted the wrong post. Sorry about that!
BTW, how are you liking your MT4G?
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I can't say, unfortunately. The one I got had dust underneath the screen so I returned it the next day, only playing with it for an hour or so. I am currently waiting on my replacement which should be here tomorrow (free express shipping ftw). There are advantages of ordering via retention, but the lead time on exchanges is not one of them.
That said, I was extremely disappointed in the screen of the first MT4G -- it looked very washed out and low quality. I hope it was a defective screen because otherwise I think I may just end up going back to the Vibrant.

Inspire screen question

I am seriously considering jumping ship from my Craptivate to the Insipre. The main thing holding me back to the screen. I realize it will be somewhat of a downgrade from the Captivate's, but my question is how much so? For those that just made the switch, are you already missing the Captivate's gorgeous screen? Or is the difference not that bad? I'm just scared that I'll miss the dark blacks and vibrant colors to much and maybe regret it.
I'm also curious as to the ease of messing with different ROMs/kernals and such. I've had the Captivate since launch day, but it was my first Android phone. I came from iOS, which I was very familiar with 'messing with'. Anyways, I learned the ins-and-outs of the Captivate and Android in general soon after I got it, and I probably flashed new ROMs over a hundred or so times over the last 7 months. I know my way around the Captivate very, very well now, and am wondering how much of that knowledge will translate to this as I am already running across unfamiliar terms on this forum like gold cards and such. I am already noticing a few Captivate developers jumping ship, which is helping to sway me to the HTC side. I am still missing my GPS way to much, and am tired of keeping my old 3gs (not activated) in my car to make sure I had access to a reliable GPS when needed, which I would tether to my Captivate to use.

You should go into the store and see the phone for yourself. I have both phones and I think the screen is as good or better then the captivate.

milleirish said:
You should go into the store and see the phone for yourself. I have both phones and I think the screen is as good or better then the captivate.
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That's what I wanted to hear, thanks. I do live pretty much next door to an AT&T store, so I guess I'll go check it out in a second. I just wanted to hear from people that already have some real-world use with the Inspires and Captivates, versus a 5 minute try-out I'd have at the store. Thanks for your reply, appreciated.

Lets face it the Craptivates screen is nice but the phone is a true to life FAIL.
You will not miss your phone once you have a fast/stable phone that has the only drawback of a not so loud speaker (this will be fixed down the line, some using a custom rom already see improvements in sound)
We already have root, custom kernels and roms.
Its only day 4 and the xda community have accomplished so much, and trust me this is just the tip of the iceberg.

legend221 said:
Lets face it the Craptivates screen is nice but the phone is a true to life FAIL.
You will not miss your phone once you have a fast/stable phone that has the only drawback of a not so loud speaker (this will be fixed down the line, some using a custom rom already see improvements in sound)
We already have root, custom kernels and roms.
Its only day 4 and the xda community have accomplished so much, and trust me this is just the tip of the iceberg.
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Man, I'm going to be talked into this within the hour! I'm trying to get my wife to switch as well, as she still has a 3gs. She wants a new phone (reason she never jumped to an ip4), but keeps saying she's waiting until something that jumps out is released. Also, the problems that she knows I've been having with my Captivate is not helping matters on the Android front, although I try explaining that most are isolated to the Captivate and the fact that I'm running basically beta ROMs just to get the newer Froyo. She's not took shabby technology wise either, as she is able to do quite a lot with her iphone like jailbreaking, ssh'in into it, and all kinds of other tweaks available with jailbroken iphones. I think she'd much rather Android, because she's really into messing with the UI and such to get it more to her liking.
Thanks for the advice.

Also thatclaw, the GPS on the Inspire is fast as hell. On Valentines day I need to get to the place where we here having dinner. Started Maps, hit my location and within a second, boom there I was and it was right on spot.

thatclaw said:
Man, I'm going to be talked into this within the hour! I'm trying to get my wife to switch as well, as she still has a 3gs. She wants a new phone (reason she never jumped to an ip4), but keeps saying she's waiting until something that jumps out is released. Also, the problems that she knows I've been having with my Captivate is not helping matters on the Android front, although I try explaining that most are isolated to the Captivate and the fact that I'm running basically beta ROMs just to get the newer Froyo. She's not took shabby technology wise either, as she is able to do quite a lot with her iphone like jailbreaking, ssh'in into it, and all kinds of other tweaks available with jailbroken iphones. I think she'd much rather Android, because she's really into messing with the UI and such to get it more to her liking.
Thanks for the advice.
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You're welcome, heres a bit more to contemplate.
I have to admit the one other drawback, the 1250 mAh battery.
If you are not 24-7 texting or playing with the phone it should be fine and last you an entire day like it does with me with ONE daily charge unless Im using the phone like crazy.
Then again that's why CHARGERS and USB cables were invented, I have them in 3 or 4 select locations so I'm never out of juice.
In the 4 days Ive had it Ive noticed the battery is getting better and better with the battery charges.
If on the other hand your wife is always on the phone as well perhaps a phone with a bigger battery would serve her better. , ack Im going to say it the Atrix or maybe something a few months ahead.
Im more than happy with my Inspire though, Dual Cores be damned.

The only problem with the Inspire's screen is you can see the touchscreen grid under certain angles.
Kinda annoying, but not too bad.

harlenm said:
The only problem with the Inspire's screen is you can see the touchscreen grid under certain angles.
Kinda annoying, but not too bad.
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It is strange to be able to see it but I.think it looks cool. Haha.
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Anthonok said:
It is strange to be able to see it but I.think it looks cool. Haha.
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legend221 said:
You're welcome, heres a bit more to contemplate.
I have to admit the one other drawback, the 1250 mAh battery.
If you are not 24-7 texting or playing with the phone it should be fine and last you an entire day like it does with me with ONE daily charge unless Im using the phone like crazy.
Then again that's why CHARGERS and USB cables were invented, I have them in 3 or 4 select locations so I'm never out of juice.
In the 4 days Ive had it Ive noticed the battery is getting better and better with the battery charges.
If on the other hand your wife is always on the phone as well perhaps a phone with a bigger battery would serve her better. , ack Im going to say it the Atrix or maybe something a few months ahead.
Im more than happy with my Inspire though, Dual Cores be damned.
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While battery life is important, we are both fine as long as its decent. We both commute to work (charge in car) and both usually keep a charger at work. So going a full day is not a necessity nor expected, especially for me because use my phone very heavily during the day. >1.5 hours of talk time, and usually >2.5 hours of screen time before 5pm. I always plug in my phone while at my desk. The only time I need it to last is when I'm out and about, at bars and such, which I don't really use heavily then. I just want something reliable, of good quality, snappy, and a freaking working GPS. I live in the city (NOLA) and am always on the go throughout the day to places I've never been to meet up with clients, etc. A working GPS is very important, and I'm tired of not having that over the last 7 months.
How easy is it to swap ROMs and such as compared to the Captivate? Although I have nothing to compare the Captivates processes to, I find it very easy and pain free for the most part on it. As a matter of fact, probably half the time I flash is while on the road and in traffic (no lectures please, I'm careful mostly wait till redlights to do things). I'm scared I'll be starting from scratch again, and will have to re-learn everything. I'm not the one to post questions about rooting/flashing/etc. that can easily be found with a little effort, when I know I can find everything I need by just reading up and searching. Although I know people on here are usually glad to help, I'm not the one that needs someone to hold my hand as I know the information can be found on my own, and I find I learn better this way. I'm just worried that the Inspire won't be that simple, because I'm running across too many unfamiliar terms already. BTW, my self-suffiency is evidenced by my post count, and I've been coming here and for knowledge and know-how since I got the Captivate in July. I'd like to keep it this way, but just am worried it won't be the same for some reason.
Also, a big thanks to everyone who chimed in already so quickly, its much appreciated and makes me want to be more involved with this great community, and not just be a lurker coming here daily (multiple times) only to read up, check for updates, grabs tools, etc.

thatclaw said:
While battery life is important, we are both fine as long as its decent. We both commute to work (charge in car) and both usually keep a charger at work. So going a full day is not a necessity nor expected, especially for me because use my phone very heavily during the day. >1.5 hours of talk time, and usually >2.5 hours of screen time before 5pm. I always plug in my phone while at my desk. The only time I need it to last is when I'm out and about, at bars and such, which I don't really use heavily then. I just want something reliable, of good quality, snappy, and a freaking working GPS. I live in the city (NOLA) and am always go the go throughout the day to places I've never been to meet up with clients and such. A working GPS is very important, and I'm tired of not having that over the last 7 months.
How easy is it to swap ROMs and such as compared to the Captivate? Although I have nothing to compare the Captivates processes to, I find it very easy and paid free for the most part on it. As a matter of fact, probably half the time I flash is while on the road and in traffic (no lectures please, I'm careful mostly wait till redlights to do it). I'm scared I'll be starting from scratch again, and have to re-learn everything. I'm not the one to post questions and such about rooting/flashing/etc., when I know I can find everything I need by just reading. Although I know people on here are usually glad to help, I'm not the one that needs someone to hold my hand as I know the information can be found on my own. I'm just worried that the Inspire won't be that simple, because I'm running across too many unfamiliar terms already. BTW, my self-suffiency is evidenced by my post count, and I've been coming here and for knowledge and know-how since I got the Captivate in July. I'd like to keep it this way, but just am worried it won't be the same for some reason.
Also, a big thanks to everyone who chimed in already so quickly, its much appreciated and makes me want to be more involved with this great community, and not just be a lurker coming here only to read up and grabs tools and such.
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No you must flash Roms while driving if not you are Un-American, hahaha.
Yeah I understand youre so used to the Craptivates way of doing things.
I would say go here and see for yourself what steps there are
---->> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=952352
Also the other threads on the Development section.

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No you must flash Roms while driving if not you are Un-American, hahaha.
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What if I told you that I was a commercial pilot, and the 'red lights' I spoke of do not really exist?
Just joking, but knowing me, I probably would. Guess that's why I'm NOT a pilot.

Ive had a captivate since august, picked up a inspire last night.
Stock for stock the inspire is worlds better, but the captivate @ 1.4ghz with voodoo color and a good rom is proving hard to leave behind. The captivate has such little available memory once everything is loaded up compared to the inspire, Ill give it a good week before I decide.

I am personally preferring the Inspire screen so far. I like the more muted look, but not washed out like say, the 3GS.

sportedwood said:
Ive had a captivate since august, picked up a inspire last night.
Stock for stock the inspire is worlds better, but the captivate @ 1.4ghz with voodoo color and a good rom is proving hard to leave behind. The captivate has such little available memory once everything is loaded up compared to the inspire, Ill give it a good week before I decide.
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If you're having a tough time deciding between an insanely tricked out Captivate and a completely stock Inspire, imagine what the Inspire will be like in a couple months when the dev community blossoms.

gtg465x said:
If you're having a tough time deciding between an insanely tricked out Captivate and a completely stock Inspire, imagine what the Inspire will be like in a couple months when the dev community blossoms.
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absolutely, Its always fun to get in on the ground floor with a new phone and follow all the development excitement.

Engadget review is up.....

http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/20/t-mobile-g2x-review/
Looks like what I expected. What's interesting is they specifically mention how it's future proofing by supporting AT&T 3G. At this point if it doesn't support it, then it's going to blow up on T-Mobile.
Also didn't notice complaints of reboots either! So could be software issue for me or maybe hardware. OR maybe they didn't use it enough!?

Interesting they mentioned the backlight bleed and I did notice that the touchscreen was not nearly as responsive as my Incredible.

Supposedly the touchscreen sensitivity is on purpose to stop unexpected touches. I think it'll be fine once we adjust. I'm also used to the super sensitive Incredible screen.

I'm pretty happy with this review.
They covered everything and surprisingly, Engadget didn't throw in any Apple fanboy remarks.

I read that review and the android community review.
I want that phone to work on Canadian bands (ATT). Please.
Thank you

I knew it would be an 8 before they even posted the review.

Whats funny is they said it was the best android phone out there and scored it lower than the P.O.S Atrix......lol

Myriam is definitely the best of that crew to review this phone. She's a big time T-Mobile fan and a camera nut, and while she does have an iPhone or two, she does really like Android.
Might be the most honest 8 I've seen them do, and if she'd reviewed the Atrix, I know it'd have been scored lower.

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Whats funny is they said it was the best android phone out there and scored it lower than the P.O.S Atrix......lol
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Different reviewers have different opinions.

All the good people left and it definatley shows on the site now. Tough to read the review when its not done by Josh or Chris.

Wish this guy would get his head on straight holding the G2x slanted the entire review an some one needed to tell him that the glair in the room ya couldnt even see what was on the screen. he surely didnt know much about the G2x in that i dont care how it compares in size to other phones thickness, blah poor reviewer. Give me meaty technical details an demostrations not repeating over again that the screen has some bleeding issues

Myriam, female, is one of the most experienced gadget bloggers out there, period.
Why do you need more technical info in a phone review? You know the specs already.
It's an 8/10 phone because the screen could be better, 2.2 is a year old, and it should take better pics.
There are no 10/10 phones.

8/10 on the review.
Could have been better organized, not so repetitive. Show more apps working rather than just flipping between home screens, actually test call quality and speeds, and major fail not testing GPS. With so many TMo users with bonky GPS on their Vibrants in line for upgrades leaving that out is incomprehensible.

didn't most other websites show that the G2x display was better than SAMOLED displays? especially the one by Lisa, that one showed a striking difference b/w the two. Everything else was expected in Engadget's review

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Wish this guy would get his head on straight holding the G2x slanted the entire review an some one needed to tell him that the glair in the room ya couldnt even see what was on the screen. he surely didnt know much about the G2x in that i dont care how it compares in size to other phones thickness, blah poor reviewer. Give me meaty technical details an demostrations not repeating over again that the screen has some bleeding issues
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LOL, that guy is actually a girl. I thought she was a guy for 2 years. Turns out she is just a manly girl.

I think 'She' was originally a man.

So does no one realize that if/when AT&T buys T-mobile that they'll get T-mobile's frequency as well? This whole "works with AT&T" thing is just a ruse to go out and buy a new phone. Your old phone will work fine.

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I think 'She' was originally a man.
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Uneccessary.
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Pointing out a sex change is unnecessary?

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Pointing out a sex change is unnecessary?
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Galaxy S4... And others.... a bit.... meh?

This is likely to be first time in 7 years i haven't upgraded my phone upon a handset refresh.
I'm a terrible phone whore with very little loyalty to brand, i like to own the best phone of the moment and hop between manufacturers. I'd imagine most people on here do the same, with the exception of the insanely irreverent fanboys. Recently (Last 2 years) i've owned.. S2, iPhone 4S, S3, HTC One X and Nexus 4. (Also throw in a couple of dips to Sony and Windows Mobile for brief periods).
First of all, the S4 and the HTC One look like cracking devices. In my eyes they both have positives and negatives and if push came to shove and somebody forced me by gunpoint to pick one, i'd be hard pressed to make a decision.. Perhaps S4 but only because of the battery life and timely updates.. There really is little in it.. Anyone who thinks so is only splitting hairs.
If you're sat using an S2 or a mobile a good 2 years old i can truly appreciate what a jump that the S4 or HTC One to be for you. But if you're the kind of person who upgrades over a 12 month period, there really is little to excite at the moment.
I can't help but feel disappointing..
CPU:
This is the most frustrating topic... We've been steadily increasing in power with little gains in power management, Nvidia tried their best with that '5th core' but ultimately left us all wanting... I'd say the biggest single concern for most smartphone users is battery life now, struggling to make it through a heavy day is part and parcel of owning a mobile.
We are so very close to big.LITTLE kicking in and it seems to be that Samsung and HTC kicked off a little early, shown by the (almost complete) lack of availability of their Exynos variant..
If i bought the S4 or HTC One i'd feel almost cheated if the rumored battery performance of the upcoming CPUs in this segment are anything to go by.
Screen:
Mobile phone addiction aside, one of my other rather 'nerdy' fascination is with audio visual kit, much to my wifes misery.. Screen quality is undoubtedly a big thing for me, yet even i struggle to justify the move from a 720p resolution to a 1080p resolution on a screen only 4.7-5" big..
I've seen the HTC One in person and while i will confess at close proximity i can distinguish the difference, it is by no means the jump the market departments of said companies would like you to think.. I'd go as far to say that most (myself included) would struggle to notice the difference between the two during regular daily use.
LTE:
This is less the mobile manufacturers fault and more the networks but 4G coverage is absolutely woeful when you consider the mass rollout of hardware to utilize. I always thought the S3 LTE was pointless but was convinced this was the early warning sign the governments / networks needed to shift into gear, it doesn't appear to have happened. It's like giving everybody a Bugatti Veyron and telling them they're only allowed to drive it in speed limited residential areas..
I've got friends in the states and U.K and despite the rather gut-wrenching price they pay for LTE price plans, the performance seems poor. I do think we are a good year away from 4G being a realistic benefit to the average consumer, with small pockets of countries experiencing early gains if they live in the capital.
The only positive i can take away from all this is my other half does not have to watch me trawl through reviews, debate the best deal and then watch me giddy on the day of delivery...
Here's hopping next year is a little better!

Have to agree with this, nothing special so far

@OP ( dont wanna quote the whole post lol), trust me when i say that i am one of the biggest phone junkies around, i owned almost all of the flagship of 2012 and plan on owning quite a few in 2013. I see what you're saying when you say " meh" cause phones like the nexus 4, S3, Optimus G and note 2 are already mighty powerful but i think this is where samsung and HTC lead the pack and differentiate themselves with other brands. HTC came out with the best design a phone ever had ( in my opinion) and fantastic sound quality while samsung is expanding its crazy awesome features ( gimmicky for some, absolutely great for me). Its hard to outdo the great phones that came out last year so my question is what did you expect?

I think you need to find more hobbies/occupations in your life tbh.

But to be honest, we are at a point where technology, and especially phones are improving at a very systematical and incremental ways.
Slightly better processor
Slightly better camera
Slightly better screen
Slightly better battery
Really, we will be stuck on this pattern until something revolutionary comes into the mobile market.

JaeKay said:
But to be honest, we are at a point where technology, and especially phones are improving at a very systematical and incremental ways.
Slightly better processor
Slightly better camera
Slightly better screen
Slightly better battery
Really, we will be stuck on this pattern until something revolutionary comes into the mobile market.
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Yeah, but with all that, there's a lot that's looked over. Like if you have a Samsung Smart TV you can stream what is on your TV to your phoen anywhere you go.
We now have a IR controller with a built in TV Guide. Built in reminder to remind you also. Links to Rotten Tomatoes for movies.
There's a lot more. I just don't know what is revolutionary anymore. The problem is other technology has to catch up, like TVs, Amplifiers and audio receivers, car GPS, etc. The only thing the phone can do now is control and interact with other things.
What can honestly be revolutionary with current technology and our phones now?

How about work on voice call clarity. This quality has been the same Damn thing since the nokia brick phones lol
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Squirrel1620 said:
How about work on voice call clarity. This quality has been the same Damn thing since the nokia brick phones lol
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The thing is in a day I make max 20 min call time but day in day out 4+hours screen time, iyam this is the norm so this dictates developments, so I bet we get stuck with ok call quality.

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The thing is in a day I make max 20 min call time but day in day out 4+hours screen time, iyam this is the norm so this dictates developments, so I bet we get stuck with ok call quality.
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20 min the norm? Speak for yourself.

j510 said:
20 min the norm? Speak for yourself.
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I know but how about getting a different phone if your prime use is phoning, like a 2g that'll give you 2/3 days, or if you're making calls while indoors plug it in or use a land line, flagship smartphones are computing devices not really phones any more.

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This is likely to be first time in 7 years i haven't upgraded my phone upon a handset refresh.
I'm a terrible phone whore with very little loyalty to brand...!
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While I agree that the upgrades in the GS4 are barely a full generation ahead of the GS3, which is unfortunate given how much a jump the GS2 was over the GS1, and how much the GS1 was ahead of anything else at its time... there is a sort-of point about diminishing returns here as well. It's harder to "improve" certain aspects but so much, as we're beginning to hit the limits of what can even be perceived as an upgrade.
I mean, think about the screen. Very low res -> QVGA -> WVGA -> 720p -> 1080p. Well that's great, but for the next generation, where do you go? There's really no perceivable need to put anything higher into a sub 5" device. Maybe flexible screens? Unbreakable screens? etc etc? That's still not gonna actually increase the photonic information presented to your eyes from the device.
Or take the physical phone body. The GS4 is pushing the screen so far that it's easily covering 80-90% of the entire front surface area. So okay, next gen, you make the entire front surface a screen. Then what? Make the phone thinner? Well, at a certain point you hit a limit there as well. People can only grasp and comfortably hold objects of up to a certain depth. When you get it smaller than that, you're basically just printing a screen onto a knife blade. So that's no good...
Let's try connectivity. LTE and 802.11ac? Most cell networks couldn't saturate their LTE links if they tried, they simply don't have the capacity yet. And even if they did... You're telling me you can even find a use-case where your phone is pumping out/in 100+ mbit/s of data? I mean, at home it's nice to move music/videos/files around sure. But I highly doubt anyone is routinely moving gigabytes of data per hour on any sort of mobile device. Once you hit what you need for say HD video streaming... where else is there to go? Again, the next generation doesn't really need to move data any faster than this.
Sensors? Well, there's actually lots of room for improvement here. And also, un-coincidentally, this is where the GS4 has some the of greatest advantage over other current/last generation devices. While we're still pretty far away from a proper tricorder, we can now sense via magnetometer, accelerometer, gyroscope, light sensor, infrared sensor, microphones, thermometer, hydrometer, barometer, and two cameras... But building sensors isn't the hard part. It's building clever software to do something with these sensors.
I could go on further... but the point I should think is clear. Yea, it's a bit disappointing that nothing since the original GS1/GS2 has really been a full "generation and a half" ahead of the competition... but a large portion of that is simply because we're beginning to hit the ceiling with some of these improvements. Yea, in 20 years "phones" will be unpredictably evolved from what we have now. But I bet the screens still won't have any higher effective PPI than what we're approaching now...

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posting to hit 10 posts so I can actually post in development section....wth.....
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Wrong and wrong.
1) There's a reason you need to post elsewhere first.
2) The fact that you say "what the hell" to that requirement further shows you are not yet ready to post in development.
3) Spamming random unrelated comments into random threads is not the way to reach the 10 post minimum
I suggest you start by reading the rules and the stickies.
Have a nice day, and welcome to XDA.

Im only getting it becuase i wanted a smaller note 2 with no spen. The s4 gives me that with plenty of horsepower. Plus the 32gb $250 price point is a good sell. If the htc one had a replaceable battery it would of been a no brainer based on design alone.

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posting to hit 10 posts so I can actually post in development section....wth.....
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*Face palm* If there's one place where you never post something like that, it's XDA. The moderators here take people who break the rules pretty seriously.
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I wish we could have a revolutionary phone come out like the Galaxy SII did. Even today, Galaxy SII is unsurpassed with performance. Is there any app or game that it can't run? I mean, it came out nearly 2 years ago, and still has not been matched by an app.
I hope Galaxy SV comes in the way of the revolution.

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I know but how about getting a different phone if your prime use is phoning, like a 2g that'll give you 2/3 days, or if you're making calls while indoors plug it in or use a land line, flagship smartphones are computing devices not really phones any more.
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I never said my prime use is phone calls. I just said 20 min is not the norm. And again where do you get your information. No matter what phone whether it is a dumb phone or smart phone, one of the main focus of a phone period involves making phone calls. Otherwise it would be called a multimedia device and not a phone.

jahjah440 said:
I wish we could have a revolutionary phone come out like the Galaxy SII did. Even today, Galaxy SII is unsurpassed with performance. Is there any app or game that it can't run? I mean, it came out nearly 2 years ago, and still has not been matched by an app.
I hope Galaxy SV comes in the way of the revolution.
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Wait, what, lol!
Pretty sure the Gs1 started the trend there. Gs2 was nice, but nothing revolutionary.... The s3 was by far the best in the series thus far, until this one comes out.
With that said, I like my Note 2 more so than my s3.
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I think the Note series has been pretty revolutionary and Samsung has worked hard to come up with clever things to do with the stylus.
I don't know what big hardware improvements are left to do. The one I would like the most is 3-D capabilities, both screen and camera, like the Evo 3D. I would imagine in the last two years the technology has gotten better and Samsung could market it a lot better than HTC. Plus there is more 3D content than two years ago. Samsung could also do cool things with 3D and the hover technology.

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I never said my prime use is phone calls. I just said 20 min is not the norm. And again where do you get your information. No matter what phone whether it is a dumb phone or smart phone, one of the main focus of a phone period involves making phone calls. Otherwise it would be called a multimedia device and not a phone.
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Ah well tough break, I guess this phone isn't for you then.

Shammyh said:
While I agree that the upgrades in the GS4 are barely a full generation ahead of the GS3, which is unfortunate given how much a jump the GS2 was over the GS1, and how much the GS1 was ahead of anything else at its time... there is a sort-of point about diminishing returns here as well. It's harder to "improve" certain aspects but so much, as we're beginning to hit the limits of what can even be perceived as an upgrade.
I mean, think about the screen. Very low res -> QVGA -> WVGA -> 720p -> 1080p. Well that's great, but for the next generation, where do you go? There's really no perceivable need to put anything higher into a sub 5" device. Maybe flexible screens? Unbreakable screens? etc etc? That's still not gonna actually increase the photonic information presented to your eyes from the device.
Or take the physical phone body. The GS4 is pushing the screen so far that it's easily covering 80-90% of the entire front surface area. So okay, next gen, you make the entire front surface a screen. Then what? Make the phone thinner? Well, at a certain point you hit a limit there as well. People can only grasp and comfortably hold objects of up to a certain depth. When you get it smaller than that, you're basically just printing a screen onto a knife blade. So that's no good...
Let's try connectivity. LTE and 802.11ac? Most cell networks couldn't saturate their LTE links if they tried, they simply don't have the capacity yet. And even if they did... You're telling me you can even find a use-case where your phone is pumping out/in 100+ mbit/s of data? I mean, at home it's nice to move music/videos/files around sure. But I highly doubt anyone is routinely moving gigabytes of data per hour on any sort of mobile device. Once you hit what you need for say HD video streaming... where else is there to go? Again, the next generation doesn't really need to move data any faster than this.
Sensors? Well, there's actually lots of room for improvement here. And also, un-coincidentally, this is where the GS4 has some the of greatest advantage over other current/last generation devices. While we're still pretty far away from a proper tricorder, we can now sense via magnetometer, accelerometer, gyroscope, light sensor, infrared sensor, microphones, thermometer, hydrometer, barometer, and two cameras... But building sensors isn't the hard part. It's building clever software to do something with these sensors.
I could go on further... but the point I should think is clear. Yea, it's a bit disappointing that nothing since the original GS1/GS2 has really been a full "generation and a half" ahead of the competition... but a large portion of that is simply because we're beginning to hit the ceiling with some of these improvements. Yea, in 20 years "phones" will be unpredictably evolved from what we have now. But I bet the screens still won't have any higher effective PPI than what we're approaching now...
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I have to disagree about LTE. That 100mbs conection is shared across possibly 100's of users and it does not take alot to bring it down to it's knees.
Video of sub 500kbs LTE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-VVwPqhXwI
That and really 2,3,4,5,10 GB is not really that much data if you plan using the LTE speeds fully. If I didn't have a unlimited plan, my bill would be higher in a month than what my phone cost.
I will say your right about the screen 1080p is good, well really for most 720p does the trick. ( I can still see the dot's on a 720p 4.3in screen though, but most can't.)

Everyone is going on like the S4 is dreadful. I LOVE IT

Hey,
Just wanted to start a little thread about the S4, just wanted to let everyone know its a really great phone, the advancements in this phone are truly amazing, and i already can't wait for a large amount of developers to get the phone.
Im hoping that we can use the gestures and tilts on more parts of the phone, and i guess this will come when more people have the phone.
So don't not give it a go, i haven't had any major incidents, battery life is pretty amazing in comparison to the S3, i used to notice that if i was reading something on a website you could actually see the battery draining, the battery is so strong on the S4 it took me a lot of surfing before i could see that battery draining.
I think we should all give the S4 a chance, give it a few days let things settle down, then complain.
Anyone has any comments feel free.
J

Early on in any phones lifetime you'll always see a ton of "this phone sucks" type complaints by people either 1) being trolls or 2) having disappointed expectations.
I would simply ignore the people in threads who complain and instead focus on the people in threads that actually enjoy the device. You will get much better information and experience from them

ap3604 said:
Early on in any phones lifetime you'll always see a ton of "this phone sucks" type complaints by people either 1) being trolls or 2) having disappointed expectations.
I would simply ignore the people in threads who complain and instead focus on the people in threads that actually enjoy the device. You will get much better information and experience from them
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Agreed.
In addition to that, I think Samsung has this year begun to partially enter what I like to call the 'too popular to be popular' phenomena. I.e. that flaw of human psychology that results in a backlash/hyper-critique of anything said company does/releases due to some people's desire to always go one way when (in their eyes) everyone else is going the other.
In other words, people love the underdog (which used to be samsung). Now that they're no longer really in that status, they are open to the hate that apple has long been a victim off. Bottom line: ignore it. There's nothing more achingly hip than not liking something lots of people like.
Previous victims include Apple, Facebook.....and apple again.

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i dont dislike apple because they are the big dogs... i dislike them because they are the furthest thing from open source you can get.
their only real advantage is simplicity, and support. you can go to an apple store and they will fix your problem.
the two things that are wrong with that:
-if you want something with extra simplicity, get a basic phone.
-i personally like to fix my stuff myself, and learn it myself, rather than have someone fix the problem for me and having to go back.
that being said, samsung caters to both markets with their easy and normal modes.

Bah, most negatives posted seem to be "One believers" and folks ticked about the low storage space for apps. Besides that it is good.

jcurran.jc said:
Hey,
Just wanted to start a little thread about the S4, just wanted to let everyone know its a really great phone, the advancements in this phone are truly amazing, and i already can't wait for a large amount of developers to get the phone.
Im hoping that we can use the gestures and tilts on more parts of the phone, and i guess this will come when more people have the phone.
So don't not give it a go, i haven't had any major incidents, battery life is pretty amazing in comparison to the S3, i used to notice that if i was reading something on a website you could actually see the battery draining, the battery is so strong on the S4 it took me a lot of surfing before i could see that battery draining.
I think we should all give the S4 a chance, give it a few days let things settle down, then complain.
Anyone has any comments feel free.
J
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So after a lot of days, finally I figured out a nice post. I am using note 2 and wanted to quickly jump to s4, but a lot of people here reporting heat issues, lag issues and battery issues. I wonder how you disagree with them? What was your previous device?

sohebq said:
So after a lot of days, finally I figured out a nice post. I am using note 2 and wanted to quickly jump to s4, but a lot of people here reporting heat issues, lag issues and battery issues. I wonder how you disagree with them? What was your previous device?
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Compared to my Nexus 4 the S4 lags like crazy (rooted and removed all of the crap and installed a custom launcher and enabled force gpu acceleration).

Toss3 said:
Compared to my Nexus 4 the S4 lags like crazy (rooted and removed all of the crap and installed a custom launcher and enabled force gpu acceleration).
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This is just crazy man. How can such a powerful device lag, totally surprising, even after removing all the bloat? Do you feel its a hardware or software issue?

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This is just crazy man. How can such a powerful device lag, totally surprising, even after removing all the bloat? Do you feel its a hardware or software issue?
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Its software. Samsung felt the need to rush 4.2.2 out instead of optimising it first.
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Haha you can't just read the good reviews, you have to read both bad and good. I promise you their is equal bs and exaggeration on the good ones and bad ones. Some people have different expectations from the phone though, hence the different opinions for it.
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Phone is great sammy will update software quickly hopefully to fix the minor stutter! Thats all it is stutter
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I have been using my S4 for last 4 days
I have been using Apex Launcher on top of it and never faced any lag on it with live wallpaper running in background all the time
Its super fast and the screen is brilliant
Loving it and enjoying playing with my S4

I have the red blacks issue but definitely no lag... it's extremely fluid, feels like continuous 60fps.

I like mine so far. There are some things that I don't like, but I think they're mostly addressable.
Mine does have some stutter to it, but the one thing that's baffling me right now, is that If I'm typing fairly fast in landscape mode, and there are a couple of sentences typed already, it starts lagging extremely bad, like half a second bad. I had this same problem with my Inspire 4G, so I would assume it's just Android related. I turned predictive text off, so I'm not sure what could be causing it.
Also, even though I have no real issue with the brightness, the fact that the screen will go brighter in auto-mode than it will by manually setting it to 100% kind of bothers me. I'm hoping that someone will find a way around that.
Coming from an Inspire 4G though, the build quality definitely feels much cheaper. The Inspire feels like a solid piece of machinery, and it survived multiple, brutal drops over a 2 year period, and the screen doesn't have so much as a scuff on it. After a few months I basically had no concern for its safety. The only thing protecting it was a cheap silicone case. If I clean it up real nice, it would still look new.
I'm probably about the only person out there who feels like the Inspire's size and heft was a feature, but it was honestly pretty nice to not have to worry about breaking your phone. I feel like I have to be extra careful with the S4 in comparison. I haven't gotten a case for it yet, but I'm certainly not brave enough to get a 10 dollar silicon cover and no screen protector. It feels like it could snap in half if I were to sit on it funny.
At the end of the day, the screen is what did it for me. As a plasma TV owner, I've come to loath LCD black levels, and the solid blacks of the S4 are a thing of beauty.

agreed. This phone is great. Couldn't ask for anything else. Hell of a camera
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I get better benchmarks with my HTC One than ur s4
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After doing some tweaking and replacing most of the animations, I'm pretty happy. Deleted A LOT of crap. Samsung should really learn to concentrate on one or two features instead of piling them on, and not putting any effort into actually making any of them work like they should. Can't really understand why they need a new TouchWiz framework to begin with when they could just add TW as a launcher and theme stock android to their liking. Especially considering its horrible performance. They haven't even gotten the animations to be smooth, and there's lag everywhere. Hope they go the HTC way with the S5, as less definitely is more.

paddylaz said:
Agreed.
In addition to that, I think Samsung has this year begun to partially enter what I like to call the 'too popular to be popular' phenomena. I.e. that flaw of human psychology that results in a backlash/hyper-critique of anything said company does/releases due to some people's desire to always go one way when (in their eyes) everyone else is going the other.
In other words, people love the underdog (which used to be samsung). Now that they're no longer really in that status, they are open to the hate that apple has long been a victim off. Bottom line: ignore it. There's nothing more achingly hip than not liking something lots of people like.
Previous victims include Apple, Facebook.....and apple again.
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sohebq said:
So after a lot of days, finally I figured out a nice post. I am using note 2 and wanted to quickly jump to s4, but a lot of people here reporting heat issues, lag issues and battery issues. I wonder how you disagree with them? What was your previous device?
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I love it.
I haven't had any overheating and find the phone to be super smooth.
Battery is pretty good in comparison to the s3
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