Hello guys! I was thinking... can be possible in the future with some mod or app in 2d mode to take a picture from all the 2 cameras of the 3d and fix them toghether to have a single shot of something like 5+5 or 9 mpx (considering the loss of correction for the picture angle)?
It can be something incredible!
reddeville said:
Hello guys! I was thinking... can be possible in the future with some mod or app in 2d mode to take a picture from all the 2 cameras of the 3d and fix them toghether to have a single shot of something like 5+5 or 9 mpx (considering the loss of correction for the picture angle)?
It can be something incredible!
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Its not possible. Its the reason that cameras with ultrafast shutter speeds (10+ pics/sec) don't have near infinite megapixels.
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Its not possible. Its the reason that cameras with ultrafast shutter speeds (10+ pics/sec) don't have near infinite megapixels.
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Actually I think it is possible, considering perspective correction and some interlacing (both horizontal and vertical) to join 2x5MP images, it could be done...
In fact, with this idea in mind, it would be more logical to make a 20MPix JPG (using left eye image in odd coordinates for both X and Y, and using the right eye image in even coordinates for both X and Y, filling up the missing pixels with the average color between the 2 source pixels)
But to be honest, I don't think the increase from 5MP to a greater resolution (being that 10 or 20MPix) would gain that much quality or detail, even using both camera sources...
It's a good idea tho
No it wouldnt work. And if it was. And especially on our device if you wanted to use both cameras. because the cameras are offset . It would be mixing one image and another from a slightly different angle. It would look bad.
Sent from my LG Thrill 4G...
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No it wouldnt work. And if it was. And especially on our device if you wanted to use both cameras. because the cameras are offset . It would be mixing one image and another from a slightly different angle. It would look bad.
Sent from my LG Thrill 4G...
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that's why I said: «considering perspective correction»
But agree on your point... it would probably look bad...
but, the question here is: is it technically possible? I think so.
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that's why I said: «considering perspective correction»
But agree on your point... it would probably look bad...
but, the question here is: is it technically possible? I think so.
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It isnt - It isn't even possible to make 100 pictures taken at the exact same perspective more detailed.
If it were, cameras that can take 10+ pictures per second would have infinite detail.
The capture chip of cameras cant work like that period.
In your cameras field of view and depending on the amount of sensors on the chip. Aka megapixels
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You cant throw a whole "b" image in there and use any fancy algorithm to double the resolution...
Impossible the only way is to have
More images taken next to or around the first and then merge them together...
Lastly if it was possible then you could have ultra mega resolution and you would be able to see molecules. Lol
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But it would be possible to decrease the amount of noise in the addition of the two images. Resulting in a better optical resolution. This effect si well known in astronomy since CCD sensors are used.
Some Pc softwares exists allowing an easy combination of slighlty different pictures in order to obtain a better picture.
actually wont it be similar to how hdr shots works???, only difference is we need to make the left and right merge equally into each other
however the only way to get it working is for example if there's an app which can shoot both the front cam and the back cam at the same time, my point is that two profiles need to take a photo at the same time for your idea to work, but I could be totally wrong lol
There are many apps (for example on Iphone) that enable 'higher' resolution.
Ofcourse this is not real but improved quality in comparison with the usual upsampling interpolation.
You dont need two camera's for this. Various methods of increasing resolution as below.
Take two consecutive pictures with one camera. analyse any motion and remove the motion to ensure both images look static. The second image is then placed in each odd area horizontal and vertical
It produces better quality than the averaging interpolation
Its impossible to increase the sensor capability (as this is fixed)
However for video recording, the megapixel amount can be increased. (eg for phones that have camera's that can take still pictures at 5mp but 720p video recording only). its possible to somewhat take successive 5mp images, and compress them (mjpegs perhaps) to reduce complexity. framerate depends on hardware and cpu of the processor.
There was a tool for the ancient mda compact that was able to record using this method. Ofcourse you need to find out if any software like this exists. For optimal performance, the software would need to probably bang the hardware directly for speed.
CPU:
ARM 10nm FinFET LPP (2nd Gen) 64-bit processor
Frequency: 3Ghz, vast overclocking capabilities
Cores: Cortex-A75 Deca-core (only big cores)
Heat Output: Almost constant room temperature in every possible situation, except when enabling overclock mode
GPU:
World's first discrete mobile GPU: Nvidia M-Pascal GTX 1080M Ti GPU, equivalent to 50% of a full sized GTX 1080 Ti, overclockable
RAM:
Type: LPDDR4E
Size: 12GB
Speed: 4266MHz
Display:
Display Panel Technology: QD-AMOLED
Refresh Rate: 120Hz
Adaptive Refresh: Yes
ULMB: Enabled in Gaming Mode
Resolution: 5120×2160 5K WUHD/3840×2160 4K UHD/2880×2160 SHD
Aspect Ratio: 21:9/16:9/4:3
Brightness: 2000cd/m2
HDR-10 support: Yes
Dolby-Vision support: Yes
Hybrid Log-Gamma Support: Yes
Adobe RGB: 100%
DCI-P3: 99.98%
Rec 2020: 100%
Static Contrast Ratio: 5.000.000:1
Wide Color Gamut Display: Yes
Bit Depth: 10 Bit
Professionally Calibrated: Yes
Curved: Yes
Material: Sapphire (with flexible properties)
Bezels: Only top and bottom (for speakers)
Size: 5.7 inches
Response Time: 0.1ms
Pressure sensitive: Yes
Glasses-free 3D: Yes
Sound:
3.5mm Headphone Jack: Yes, with 6.35 mm to 3.5mm adapter included
Radio: Yes
Speakers:
Loud and powerful, crisp and clear hexa surround front-facing speakers
Frequency Range: 16Hz-22Khz
Dolby Atmos: Yes
DAC:
HI-FI Audiophile Quad DAC
Bit Range: 24 bit
Sampling Rate: 192kHz
Total Harmonic Distortion: >0.1%
Included Earphones:
Open-back, balanced, audiophile-grade in-ear headphones, with defined lows, mids and highs
Frequency Range: 15Hz-22Khz
Sound Isolating: Yes
Camera:
Sensor: (diagonal) 13.33mm (63.7mm², 12.288mm by 5.184mm) 3-Layer stacked CMOS image sensor with 1Gbit of stacked DRAM
Resolution: 24.8/18.6/13.9 megapixels (21:9 - 7680×3240; 16:9 - 5760×3240; 4:3 - 4320×3240)
Saves Images as: FLIF
Resolution/FPS (Video): 5120×[email protected], 3840×[email protected]/105fps, 3440×[email protected]/174fps, 2560×[email protected], 2560×[email protected], 1920×[email protected]/426fps, 1720×[email protected] 1280×[email protected], all in slow motion/real time options.
Flash: Quad QD-OLED flash (quad tone)
Pixel Size: 1.60µm
ISO Range: 1 - 25600
HDR-10 Support: Yes
Dolby Vision support: Yes
Hybrid Log-Gamma Support: Yes
Adobe RGB: 100%
DCI-P3: 99.98%
Rec 2020: 100%
Static Contrast Ratio: 5.000.000:1
Wide Color Gamut Support: Yes
Bit Depth: 12 Bit
Records loss-less files: Yes
Phase Detection Autofocus: Yes, dual pixel
Predictive Hybrid Autofocus: Yes
OIS: Yes
EIS: Yes
Laser Autofocus: Yes
Setup: Rotatable dual camera setup
All specifications above are valid for both cameras
Camera 1#:
Aperture: f/1.5
Camera 2#:
Aperture: f/2.5
Software:
Android Version: Stock Android O 8.0
Updates: All future updates guaranteed and immediate integration
Rootable: Yes
Unlockable Bootloader: Yes
Brick-and-bootloop-proof Technology: Included in Official Xposed Module
Vulkan API support : Yes
Google Drive Storage: 1TB of loss-less storage
Dolby Atmos: Yes
Storage:
Internal Storage: 32GB-256GB NVMe SSD
SD Card: Expandable SD Card slot up to 1TB + dual sim card slot
Cooling:
CPU, GPU and RAM are all liquid cooled, comes with a stylus that doubles as a liquid reservoir, tip detaches as female Nano-USB to male Thunderbolt 3 adapter
Battery:
Removable explosion-proof 6500Mah super-dense battery
Port: Thunderbolt 3 with Quick Charge 4+ equivalent
Sensors:
Semi-instantaneous fingerprint and iris scanner, accelerometer, gyroscope, infra-red, compass, proximity, barometer, thermometer, humidity sensor and heart rate monitor.
Networking:
WLAN: Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/ad, dual-band, Wi-Fi Direct, hotspot
Celular Data Bands: All 3G, 3.5G, 4G and even 5G bands supported
Bluetooth: 5.0, A2DP, aptX, LE
GPS: A-GPS, GLONASS, BDS, GALILEO
NFC Support: Yes
Extra Features:
Modular:
- Antennae for increased digital TV, radio and cell data reception
- Keyboard Projector
- 5120×[email protected] laser projector
- QD-OLED 5000 lumens flashlight
- All components are replaceable/can be upgraded
- Ultra-Loud Hi-Fi Stereo Speakers extension
IP68 dust proof and water proof submerged in up to 50m for 24 hours
Official Protective Case, does not block module connections
Official Reinforced Flexible Sapphire Screen Protector
Price:
What it cost to make (including taxes) + margin of profit just enough to pay everyone who worked on it + margin of profit for industry growth. That's it. No exaggerated profits. After everyone's salaries are paid, the price drops.
Some explanations (part by part, in order):
CPU:
ARM's Cortex A75 cores are the most advanced (upcoming) mobile CPU cores, and some phones already feature deca-core setups.
FinFET LPP is Samsung's latest iteration of the 10nm manufacturing proccess, and supposedly brings about 10% increase in perfomance over the first generation.
I chose to only put big cores (A75) for maximum possible performance.
I decided to give the phone overclocking capabilities. No phone has that yet, but coming with an unlockable bootloader, a stock rootable android and a CPU that runs really cool, it would be a shame to not let fiddlers overclock this beast.
GPU:
With Nvidia making a laptop GPU as powerful as a desktop one (laptop GTX 10-series, plus it seems like a laptop GTX 1080 Ti is coming soon), I thought it wouldn't be much of a stretch to squeeze that into a phone, while shaving off 50% of the performance. Afterall, Nvidia seems to have taken interest in building processors for mobile, with the Nintendo Switch having one. And a discrete GPU in mobile sounds very nice, and it's overclockable too.
RAM:
LPDDR4E is the latest iteration of LPDDR4, and Samsung achieved 4266MHz with LPDDR4 already, and it's 12gb too (link).
Display:
Your first question might be why would put 3 different resolution with 3 different aspect ratios on the screen's spec sheet. Well, how absolutely amazing would taking advantage of OLED's flexible properties to make an expandable screen be? No more black bars on movies (most movies are recorded in ~21:9) + ultra-wide gaming, + still being able to switch to 16:9 for Youtube videos and TV series + watching old movies and TV series! No more black bars, EVER! Plus, retracting the screen will turn off a lot of pixels, so 4:3 mode can be used for extreme battery efficiency! The screen wouldn't be literally stretched all the times you clicked the dedicated button, instead it would de-roll a rolled up extra part of the screen hidden in the chassis, and push the bottom bezels apart to make room for the extra screen. So essentially, it takes advantage of OLED being rollable.
"SHD" stands for Small/Square-ish High Definition. Not the best name, but it was the best I could figure.
QD-OLED already is in research (sources here, here,here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here) plus recently Quantum Dot supplier Nanoco and OLED supplier Kyulux agreed to put their efforts on making QD-OLEDs a reality (link) (plus it's free of heavy metals and rare materials, too, so it's more nature friendly AND less expensive!).
2000cd/m² seems absurd at first, but it's actually what QD-LED TVs already reached.
There are already 4K phones (the Xperia Z5 Premium, for example), so I just stretched it to a 21:9 aspect ratio to make it 5K.
It's not using G-Sync, because the manufacturer would make a deal with Nvidia so that this GPU supports non-proprietary adaptive refresh. Apple's Ipad Pro has it (link)
21:9 phones are already in concept (links here and here)
120hz screens are in development too (link) (there's already a 120hz tablet: link)
The color spaces I made the screen reach are currently unheard of, but if you consider that QD-LEDs already reach over 90% of Rec 2020 (link), then 100% with QD-OLED doesn't seem too extreme.
The last time OLED's static contrast ratio was mentioned was at its beginning (1.000.000:1), and since dynamic contrast ratio isn't even a real thing, and all LG's being saying is that it's "infinite", I figured a 5 times increase in contrast wouldn't be too much, specially with HDR and how just from 2016 to 2017 LG's OLED's brightness increased by 25%.
In the production line, each individual display would undergo calibration with a spectrophotometer, in an automated process.
Why Sapphire instead of Gorilla Glass? Because Sapphire is naturally stronger than Glass, meaning even if Sapphire was undoubtedly weaker than Gorilla Glass 5, if Corning decided to make a "Gorilla Sapphire" (apply the same efforts to strengthen sapphire as they did to glass), then it would blow Gorilla Glass out of the water.
(most, if not all) OLEDs already have a 0.1ms response time.
Glasses-free 3D phones are already on the market (link).
All of this would be REALLY hard, but who know what they could do if they actually cared about us customers, instead of more profits.
Sound:
There was, already, a planned phone with quad speakers (link), although it was scrapped (the tablet version did come out, though). So I just made it even better with 6.
The LG G6 already has a quad DAC.
You might ask: why did I make the DAC only 24bit/192kHz, when there's phones with 32bit/384kHz DACs out there? Simple: It's a gimmick, it doesn't actually change sound, unless all your songs are 32bit/384kHz FLACs, which practically don't exist yet, and will probably take a few years until it becomes standard.
Camera:
All the crazy stuff about stacked DRAM, 960fps and etc. are numbers already achieved by the new Sony IMX400, their latest sensor.
Originally, the camera only recorded up to 5120×[email protected] and properly scale down from there, which was already a big stretch, but then the IMX400 came out, and recorded [email protected] This made things easier: that sensor could already do 5120×[email protected] if it scaled the res/fps properly, but it didn't, so the only difference between that one and my concept, is that my concept has more res options (including 21:9 ones and QHD), and scales properly (I did the maths myself. Some scalings make undesirable frame rates, so there's the option to just go with the closest multiple of 60 admitting one decimal off). As hard as pulling this camera off would be, I still think it's possible if they really worked hard on it and cared about us customers.
Also, all res/fps options are both in real time AND slow motion, so you could record blazingly smooth [email protected] videos, or super slow ones.
Also, I gave it all focus methods at the same time. kek.
Rotatable cameras already exist (link)
Software:
I thought it would be paradise if a phone already came with the option to be rooted, so there it is, although a form would have to be filled saying you agree to use it carefully just as you would in a desktop operating system.
The manufacturer would take the responsibility to bake every "extra feature" normally baked into a custom UI into an Xposed module, that includes the "gaming mode" business.
Also, the “brick-and-bootloop-proof technology” mumbo jumbo is just an algorithm that analyzes and stops any modification that will prevent the phone from booting/being usable, and if it somehow does, it recognizes the error and reverts to stock rooted image.
The manufacturer would promise to update all content immediately after an update arrives (for android and other software), and since it’s stock android it wouldn’t be that hard.
Storage:
NVMe mobile SSDs already exist in Iphones (link)
Cooling:
Also, there is already a liquid cooled laptop, so I stretched that concept too. There's also a liquid cooled phone, too, although very obscure (link) And having a stylus+liquid reservoir+USB type-c adapter combo just seemed so efficient and awesome to me. What would happen to the liquid when the stylus/reservoir is removed? It would work this way: removing the stylus requires pressing a button that would move the liquid to the empty space left by the stylus, whilst ejecting it. So the liquid would still be on the phone after you eject the stylus, now on the empty space where the stylus used to be.
Battery:
For such a powerful phone I gave it a 6500Mah battery (explosion-proof guaranteed because of Samsung screw ups, lol) (here's a phone with a 10900mAh battery. If that phone can have a 10900mAh battery, than surely they can fit a 6500mAh in this one).
Rest:
The extreme water proof limit was made up, expandability up to 1tb was made up, and 5G support was also made up. The particular modules were also made up.
I gave it loss-less capabilities in every aspect possible, but maybe it would be better to leave to such a skilled company the job to make a more efficient loss-less algorithm than FLIF, FLAC and loss-less video codecs.
The whole purpose of this phone is to be what the customer wants, not what the manufacturers and the CEOs want. It's not about profiting, it's about making the users happy, while making only the necessary amount of profits.
This was really crazy and goofy, but still, it was fun making this. Please share your thoughts: if you think it would be possible for now/near future, if not, then when do you think it would be possible, how much would it cost, how thick would it be, etc! Constructive criticism is welcome! Thanks for reading ;D
Interesting no replies ever. I'm not an inventor but it's fun to dream. I think you are on to something here. I'm going to submit pure conjecture right now. Here it is early 2022. About a year ago LG closed it's phone shop. It seemed like they announced they had a prototype of a rollable display and the next moment they announced they are done with the phone business. Now I'm not a conspiracy geek but that sounds like something shut them down as soon as they announced rolling display technology. What does anyone have to say?
Well, it has been sometime since I have done a Some Guy Review. It's actually been years, so let's see if I still got what it takes to review these 2 equally great phones.
As always, I have no brand loyalty or affiliation. I bought the phones with my own dime, so it's not like I am "hamming" it up for a company that sent me a free phone or swag. I'm neither Fanboy or iSheep, use both Apple products and Android on a daily basis. These our my observations based on "real world" usage. Although I'll refer to some stats and specifications, I won't AnTuTu or whatever you to death. With that, here's the tale of the tape:
OnePlus 6
Basic parameters
Dimensions
155.7x75.4x7.75 mm
Weight
6.2 ounces (177g)
Material
Glass
Colors
Mirror Black/ Midnight Black/ Silk White / Red
Operating System
OxygenOS based on Android™ Oreo
CPU
Qualcomm® Snapdragon 845 (Octa-core, 10nm, up to 2.8 GHz), within AIE
GPU
Adreno 630
Notification Light
RGB LED notification light
Vibration
Haptic vibration motor
RAM
6 GB / 8 GB LPDDR4X
Storage
UFS 2.1 2-LANE 64 GB / 128 GB / 256 GB
Sensors
Fingerprint, Hall, Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Proximity, RGB Ambient Light Sensor, Electronic Compass, Sensor Core
Ports
USB 2.0, Type-C, Support USB Audio
Dual nano-SIM slot
3.5 mm audio jack
Battery
3300 mAh (non-removable) Fast Charging (5V 4A)
Buttons
Gestures and on-screen navigation support Alert Slider
Audio
Bottom-facing speaker
Noise cancellation support
Dirac HD Sound®
Dirac Power Sound®
Unlock Options
Fingerprint
Face Unlock
Connectivity
LTE/LTE-A
DL 4CA/256QAM, UL CA/64QAM, 4x4 MIMO
Supports up to DL CAT16/ UL CAT13 (1Gbps/150 Mbps) depending on carrier support
Bands
FDD LTE:
Band 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/17/18/19/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66/71
TDD LTE: Band 34/38/39/40/41
TD-SCDMA: Band 34/39
UMTS(WCDMA): Band 1/2/4/5/8/9/19
CDMA: BC0/BC1
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Check carrier compatibility
Wi-Fi
2x2 MIMO, Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, 2.4G/5G
Bluetooth
Bluetooth 5.0, support aptX & aptX HD
NFC
NFC enabled
Positioning
GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou, Galileo
Display
Size: 6.28 inches (The corners of the screen are within a standard rectangle. Measured diagonally, the screen size is 6.28 inches in the full rectangle and 6.12 inches accounting for the rounded corners.)
Resolution: 2280 x 1080 pixels
Aspect Ratio: 19:9
Type: Optic AMOLED
Support sRGB, DCI-P3
Cover Glass: 2.5D Corning® Gorilla® Glass 5
Features
Adaptive Mode
Reading Mode
Night Mode
Lift Up Display
Camera
Rear Camera - Main
Sensor: Sony IMX 519
Megapixels: 16
Pixel Size: 1.22 µm
OIS: Yes
EIS: Yes
Autofocus: DCAF
Aperture: f/1.7
Rear Camera - Secondary
Sensor: Sony IMX 376K
Megapixels: 20
Pixel Size: 1.0 µm
Autofocus: PDAF
Aperture: f/1.7
Flash
Dual LED Flash
Video
4K resolution video at 30/60 fps
1080P resolution video at 30/60 fps
720P resolution video at 30 fps
Super Slow Motion: 1080p video at 240 fps, 720p video at 480 fps
Time-Lapse
Video Editor
Features
Portrait, Pro Mode, Panorama, HDR, HQ, Dynamic Denoise, Clear Image, RAW Image
Front Camera
Front Camera
Sensor: Sony IMX 371
Megapixels: 16
Pixel Size: 1.0 µm
EIS: Yes
Autofocus: Fixed Focus
Aperture: f/2.0
Video
1080P resolution video at 30 fps
720P resolution video at 30 fps
Time-Lapse
Features
Portrait, HDR, Screen Flash, Smile Capture, Face Beauty②
Multimedia
Audio Supported Formats
Playback: MP3, AAC, AAC+, WMA, AMR-NB, AMR-WB, WAV, FLAC, APE, OGG, MID, M4A, IMY
Video Supported Formats
Playback: MKV, MOV, MP4, H.265(HEVC), AVI, WMV, TS, 3GP, FLV, WEBM
Recording: MP4
Image Supported Formats
Playback: JPEG, PNG, BMP, GIF
Output: JPEG
Smartisan Nut R1
Capacity and memory
LPDDR4X dual channel
UFS 2.1
6 + 64 version
6GB of memory
64GB body storage
6 + 128 version
6GB of memory
128GB body storage
8 + 128 version
8GB of memory
128GB body storage
8 + 512 version
8GB of memory
512GB body storage
8 + 1T version
8GB of memory
1TB body storage
Body size and weight
Height = 153.3mm
Width = 74.5mm
Thickness = 7.9mm
Weight = 170g
Processor platform
Qualcomm® SnapdragonTM 845 processor
10nm advanced process
Single core frequency up to 2.8GHz
AdrenoTM 630 graphics processor with clock speed up to 700MHz
Equipped with artificial intelligence engine (AI Engine)
Cellular network
Dual card dual standby full Netcom
All Netcom supports China Mobile, China Unicom and China Telecom
Support VoLTE high quality broadband calls
Support for three-carrier aggregation
Support for LTE B41 4x4 MIMO
Network standard Support band
4G FDD-LTE B1 / B2 / B3 / B4 / B5 / B7 / B8 / B12 / B17 / B18 / B19 / B20 / B25 / B26 / B28
TD-LTE B34 / B38 / B39 / B40 / B41 (Note: B41 supports 2535MHz-2655MHz band)
3G WCDMA B1 / B2 / B3 / B4 / B5 / B6 / B8 / B9 / B19
TD-SCDMA B34 / B39
CDMA BC0 / BC1 / BC6
2G GSM B2 / B3 / B5 / B8
CDMA 1X BC0 / BC1 / BC6
Dual card support and full Netcom
Dual Nano-SIM card slot, any card slot can be set as the main card
Dual card is not limited to operators, can be 4G in the network
Support mobile, China Unicom, Telecom 4G+/4G/3G/2G
Support dual-card dual standby VoLTE, support China Mobile, China Telecom VoLTE HD voice service
Support China Telecom dual card VoLTE standby
Note: The VoLTE service needs to be activated at the same time as the primary and secondary cards. If the secondary card is not activated, there will be no service, and the primary card will not be affected.
SIM card installation instructions:
Nut R1 mobile phone uses Nano-SIM card
Insert the card pin to eject the card slot
Two Nano-SIM cards can be placed
The Nano-SIM card obtained with the card cutter may cause a bad communication signal, and the resulting problem is not covered by Hammer Technology's warranty.
Wireless and network
802.11 a/b/g/n/ac wireless network supporting 2.4 + 5GHz band
Support for WLAN 2x2 MIMO
Support WiFi Direct and WiFi Display
Bluetooth 5.0
GPS / Assisted GPS, GLONASS, Beidou Positioning System
Support wireless network positioning and cellular network positioning
NFC+eSE, support for card reading, card writing, card emulation and P2P mode
Battery and fast charge
Typical value 3600mAh
Support QuickCharge 4+ 18W fast charging
Support PD3.0 charging protocol
Support fast wireless charging, peak output power up to 10W
screen
6.17-inch In-Cell Full HD display
2242 x 1080 resolution, 403 ppi
Corning® 3rd Generation Gorilla® Glass
1500:1 contrast ratio (typical)
96% NTSC color gamut (typical)
Full coverage Display P3 wide color gamut
Support sunlight screen, clearer viewing under strong light
Support eye protection mode, reduce screen blue light
Support for adjusting screen color temperature
Support pressure sensing touch
Unlock and fingerprint
Fingerprint unlock
Rear capacitive fingerprint reader
Response speed of 0.17s
Up to 10 fingerprints can be entered
Support WeChat and Alipay fingerprint payment
Face unlock
Front camera face recognition
1024 feature dimensions can be detected
Face++ contempt face recognition algorithm
Rear camera
12 million pixels + 20 megapixel dual camera
Double high index flash
ArcSoft real-time background blurring algorithm
Almalence super resolution algorithm
TDK Invensense Video Image Stabilization Algorithm
HDR high dynamic range adjustment technology
Main camera
Sony IMX363 sensor
12 million pixels
1.4 μm large pixel size
ƒ/1.8 large aperture
6-piece lens
Support 4-axis optical image stabilization
Support Dual PD speed focusing
Secondary camera
Sony IMX350 sensor
20 million pixels
1 μm pixel size
ƒ/1.75 large aperture
6-piece lens
Front camera
24 million pixel four-in-one front camera
ƒ/2.0 aperture
ArcSoft background blur algorithm
AI real-time beauty algorithm
Video shooting
Front camera: 1080p FHD video camera, 30 frames per second
Main camera: 4K (resolution 3840 × 2160) video camera, 30 frames per second
1080p FHD slow motion video camera, 120 frames per second
Audio Player
AI intelligent noise reduction chip
Stereo surround sound release system
Types of Support audio file format Support audio decoding format
audio format MP3, AAC, AMR, DTS AAC/AAC+/eAAC+, MP3, NB-AMR, WB-AMR, DTS
Lossless format AIFF, ALAC(Apple Lossless), FLAC, APE, WAV, DFF, DSF ————
Video playback
Encoding Support audio encoding format Support video file format Details
HEVC (H.265) AAC-LC .mp4, .mkv, .webm, .ts, .3gp Support 1080P, 240 fps
up to 4K (4096X2160) resolution 60 fps
Main Profile 8 bit up to level 6
Main Profile 10 bit up to level 6
H.264 .mp4, .mkv, .webm, .ts, .3gp, .mov Support 1080P, 240fps
up to 4K (4096X2160) resolution
60fps up to Level 5.2 encoding
H.263 .mp4, .avi, .3gp, .mov Up to Profile 0, Level 70
MPEG-2 .avi, .mkv, .webm, .ts Up to 1080P, 30fps, Main Profile encoding
MPEG-4 .mp4, .mkv, .webm, .avi, .3gp, .mov Up Simple Profile Level 6 encoding
up to Advanced Profile Level 5 coding
VP8 AAC-LC, Vorbis .webm Support 1080P 120fps
up to 4K (4096X2160) resolution 30fps
Profile 0 (Main), Version 0-3
VP9 .webm Support 1080P 240fps
up to 4K (4096X2160) resolution 60fps
Profile 0 8-bit
up to level 5.1 Profile 2 10-bit
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Xvid .avi, .mkv Advanced simple profile up to level 5
Sensors and algorithms
Gyro
Gravity sensor
Geomagnetic sensor
Ambient light sensor
Hall sensor
Ultrasonic proximity sensing algorithm
AI audio noise reduction algorithm
Touch and feedback
Support pressure sensitive touch technology
Linear vibration motor
Support 72 scenes, 21 vibration effects
operating system
Smartisan OS based on AndroidTM deep customization
Supported languages: Chinese Simplified, Chinese Traditional, English, Japanese, Korean
Review to Continue on next post :good:
Review
Design
Looking at both phones, they're strikingly different, each with their pluses and minuses. Both are "notch" phones which absolutely does not bother me. I know some people have like nightmares about phone notches sneaking into their house at night and murdering their families... I do "not-ch". Hahahaha. Anyway, the OP6 goes with the curved rounded edges whereas the Nut R1, that's right "Nut" R1, goes with the candy bar straight rectangle look akin to Sony Xperia many iterations. Neither are revolutionary by any means, its just preference. The OP6 is definitely heavier by stats but feels more so in hand then the Nut R1. The OP6 is slightly larger too. Both not too large where its a must to use 2 hands all the time, but for my comfort, the Nut R1 feels better. Nut R1 goes with individual buttons for power, volume, etc. The OP6 has the rocker button for sound and the very impressive programmable slider button. The Nut R1 does have a special button on its left hand side but at least for me now (until maybe I figure a few things out) I can't change it to be used for something useful yet, so really it's a space waster. OP6 notch is larger as well. NOTCH!!!!!!!!!
UPDATE 07/14 - Figured out the special button on the Nut R1! Boy was I wrong! This button along with some other button press combinations allows you quick access to 2 features that are only found on the Nut R1. The first is call "Idea Pills." Essentially, throughout your normal day, if you have to jot something down or need to make not of something, pressing and holding the button allows you to make a voice note. It then transcribes that note which then can be used in the note app, the calendar app or any host of other apps. You can make voice recordings all day then simply with a right to left swipe of the screen on the right hand edge, you can see all your notes and reminders. It's pretty cool. Of course, other button combos with this special button do other functions: with power button is screen shot, with up volume can turn on the phones flashlight and then with volume down + special button gives you direct access to a very slick and cool feature called "one step." One Step is a cut- paste drag & drop feature that lets you fairly seamlessly send messages, access your favorite apps & contacts, etc. while linking them to your pictures, notes, etc. There's a pre-loaded video that is in Chinese of course but you can idea by what the person is doing in the video. Awesome!
Verdict: Dead Heat - I favor the design of the Nut R1 slightly more however it having a Bixby button that right now I can't program sucks. OP6's slider button is awesome! Hard to pick a winner....
UPDATED Verdict: Nut R1 - Knowing the idea pills and one step feature now makes this phone a productivity champ with the special button... Bixby Button it is not!
Display
From the stats, both phones have similar resolutions. The OP6 of course has AMOLED FHD+ as opposed to the Nut R1's FHD+ IPS LCD. OP6 display is slightly larger (thus the slightly better pixel count). This is definitely one of the most subjective portions of the review. For me, even though the OP6 had the AMOLED Display and AMOLED is just better and we're supposed to just accept that. The Nut R1 out of box with no tweaking (like putting into different mode or putting sRBG on) looks truer. Whites look white and blacks look black. OP6 has a larger chin especially if you opted to lose the the virtual buttons on the Nut R1 for gestures. Both have a hide notch mode for the upper portion of the screen however the notch for the Nut R1 is significantly smaller. Both handle the notch differently for alerts. The Nut R1 acts as if it is one complete screen across the top opting to show the alerts with a void where the notch is as opposed to treating the before and after notch screen portions as 2 completely separate spaces like the OP6. I'm not 100% sure of which way I prefer but there's definitely a difference. The Nut R1 seems brighter in the sun although there's no lumen stats to compare which one should be brighter. The one failure that the Smartisan R1 does have is that the polarizer over the display was applied in the wrong direction or maybe is not there at all... what does that mean? Well, if you put on a pair of polarized sunglasses, guess what, black screen unless you angle the phone in an awkward position to see. I have reached out to Smartisan on this and awaiting their reply. Plan on trying a tempered glass screen protector to see if that helps.
UPDATE 07/14 - Tried tempered glass screen protector and it fixed the polarization issue! Even though I can never put one of these on without some dust or something getting caught under the screen. Ordering a few more so I can hopefully put one on cleanly. Talking to Smartisan, they're gonna send me some protectors too, just have to pay for shipping (as soon as they figure out how I can do that)! Still gonna say that the OP6 is the better display, however with a cleanly placed screen protector on it it makes it super hard not to change the verdict!
Verdict: OnePlus 6 - The Polarizer issue is a non-started for me as all my sunglasses are polarized. It's slightly better that I have Android Auto so I don't necessarily have to deal with it too much in the car. However, during an outside concert or festival, etc. so annoying to have to lift off my sunglasses just to use the phone. Stay tuned, this may change if there's a simple workaround. Otherwise, for inside use not having to deal with sunglasses, my preference is the Nut R1.
Camera
As I always try to state before diving face first into the shallow pool of phone cameras, I am not a fan of phone cameras as opposed to actual cameras. I went to school for photography so it is quite hard for me to say " this phone take better pictures than this phone..." Both / All, IMO, are grainy noisy messes compared to their actual camera counterparts. With that said, this is another area where I feel both phones are fairly equal. OP6 uses a 16M + 20M f/1.7f dual rear camera setup. The Nut R1 uses a slightly less spec'd 12M + 20M f/1.8 & f/1.75 setup. The Nut R1 however crushes the OP6 with its 24M f/2.0 front camera as opposed to OP6's 16M f/2.0 front camera. What's this all mean? Nothing.. We're talking about some small differences here with the rear camera setups. Spec-wise the OP6 is better, but a lot also goes into what software is processing the pictures for you. I will post some test shots in a later post. As far as the camera software themselves, both are fairly decent with their share of annoyances and/or postives. The Nut R1 requires you to rifle through the different modes to get to the setup menu, minor annoyance. The OP 6 software feels more basic though whereas the Nut R1 looks more professional. I am not going to make a judgement. I'll just post samples of each and let you tell me. For video, OP6 does let you shoot at 60fps for 4K. The built-in software for the Nut R1 only allows 30fps at 4K. Not a huge deal, I am sure the Nut R1 has the 60fps capability which may work with other camera softwares, it just not there out of the box. I don't necessarily do that mush video recording where the 4K difference is going to hurt me, but that's me... again your decision. I will update this section a little more after the the test shots as I dig deeper which both cameras.
Verdict: Is Still Out! - I'll let you look at test shots. I'll update and then maybe decide on which is better IMO.
Software / Essentials
This always the hardest section to write about as I could fill a book looking at both phones take on Android Oreo. Here's the thing, I'm gonna touch on what I feel gives a person interested in the 2 phones a good understanding and leave the details to anyone that wants to comment later. :silly: As most are aware OP6 runs OxygenOS, pretty vanilla take on Android Oreo without very major differences from what runs on the Pixels... It's definitely one of the better OS takes on Android out there. Styled nicely with great customization and unlocking capability for our developer community. Stable, nice however maybe a little boring. SmartisanOS on the Nut R1 is your quintessential chinese born ROM OS. High customization so much so that it can make your head spin. Strict focus on battery saving and notification light experience means you definitely have to do some tweaking to get things the way you like it.
What's the same between the two?
1. Both are fast. No lag to speak of. This ain't touchlagwiz
2. Both allow for 3rd party launchers fairly easily. Sometimes this is not so easy with china born phones but not in this case
3. As far as I can see, good support on updates... Got 2 so far from Smartisan, one as soon as I setup the phone and the other yesterday, fairly quick considering I only had it about 5 days. OP6 has had 2 updates. OnePlus has been notorious for supporting updates frequently when a new product launches but then dropping support for older models. They have vowed to change that but so far so good.
4. Both have Face Unlock & Fingerprint Unlock as well. I believe that OnePlus would contend that their Face Unlock is more secure and it probably is. The fingerprint scanner of the Nut R1 is huge making it very easy for scanning placement whereas the OP6 is a little undersized. Nut R1 used their branding as a functional part of the phone... quite clever!
What's Different?
1. SmartisanOS out of the box does not come with google services or play store, it is however very easy to install and get your favorite play store google apps cooking.
2. Google Pay does not work. This is standard for China Born ROMs and won't change until such time that Google Pay is allowed in China. I have a Gear S3 watch that I just setup Samsung Pay on as my workaround.
3. Notification Shade toggles off between either toggle buttons like your bluetooth, data, airplane mode, etc. or notifications shade... no stack like most are used to... not a big deal, but some might be bothered
4. No Notifications on the lock screen or at least I haven't figured out how yet. With face unlock being so fast, I never hardly see the lockscreen anyway.
5. Notifications in shade won't let you expand them in the shade.
6. Shade color and theme not changeable and it is white on Nut R1
7. Cannot change default messaging app on Nut R1. The default app is fairly nice and you can always install Android Messaging. Android messages does work just not as default
8. The Nut R1 (and actually any Smartisan phone) are not water resistant or water-proof. This was confirmed by Smartisan's Customer Service. Doesn't really bother me since I don't even try to get "waterproof" phones wet. $500 plus experiment whether your phone is waterproof or not, no thank you. At any rate, don't go jumping in a pool with the Nut R1 in your pocket! :crying:
Items Left to be Explored on the Nut R1
1. Smartisan says they support openSSL and that they have no issues with bootloader unlock. They said details are in the openSSL forum. Just don't know where that is... might be on their forum site which is immense.
2. Looks like Google Camera works and works well with this phone. Haven't tried myself yet but Smartisan Forums say you can just use the original apk download for google camera
3. Full battery life, connection strength and a host of other functionality items
VoLTE appears to work for me on TMobile, not wifi-calling though. Maybe it is wifi calling when on VoLTE and connected to wifi but it does not give indicator as such.
Of course, the big missing item from the OP6 is wireless charging. Nut R1 does have qi charging capability although the coil placement is slightly weird.
Geez, is that a lot... there is so much more but rather not keep on going. Please ask if you have questions!
Verdict: Nut R1 - You had me at Qi... why oh why did OP6 did you not include wireless charging on a glass backed phone. Although some may say bloat, there's cool stuff built into the Nut R1... plus whats looks to be the ability to unlock means let flashing begin! (Even though I'm not going to figure out how to do that anytime soon)
Cost & Value
Understandably nowadays, a new phone comes out every month worth looking at. Apple manages to keep their values up because you only get 1 refresh per year without any other competition. Benefit of controlling the hardware and software in a closed system. Android on the other hand has 100's upon 100's manufacturers. From that, you basically have the newest phone with the latest gadgets. More RAM, more drive space, etc. In recent years, the rise of Chinese manufacturers has even added to the dilemma of phone value to the money paid out. Xiaomi, Smartisan, OnePlus, ZTE & Huawei just to name a few are offering quality phones at better prices making it hard to justify a $800+ flagship phone. Samsung can no longer keep trying to command iPhone prices for their phones and expect success. Even the mighty iPhone is starting to feel the pinch of the growing China manufacturing phone market. Apple made money off of the iPhone X, their first $1000+ phone, but not as successful as previous versions even with some new innovation. With that said, both the OP6 and Nut R1 are a decent investment for the hardware you're given at the price point under $700. Both Snapdragon 845, both dual camera, quick charge, etc. makes them compete at the level of LG and Samsung without having to look to lease from your carrier. Ultimately, this gives you freedom from your carrier to be truly contract free. The resell value of the Nut R1 is a little more dicey than OP6 given OP6's name recognition and availability here in the United States. Could I go on swappa and sell the Nut R1, maybe...? I know I can sell the OP6, but probably at a 20% loss. Neither phone is a no-brainer for resell so investing in either will need to be an investment to get away from being under your service providers thumb more than anything. Is that enough even at these prices points to justify in getting either one of these phones? That's definitely a question to consider... especially when the Android phone with max stats, new bell or whistle and the hype train is just a month away...
Verdict: Nut R1 - Ultimately it's cheaper... even when you take into consideration no water resistance value. Nut R1 does have Qi which is absent from OP6. If water resistance is the straw breaking the camels back, then of course OP6 is better. Not as many accessories for the Nut R1, which might be a blessing more than a curse. No proprietary fast charging meaning you have to get a special charger like OP6 (for the car in particular).
Ease of Everyday Use
This section is a little weird for most people so let me explain. We have all have interactions with technology on a daily basis. From the alarm that wakes you up in the morning, to the coffee maker that makes you coffee to even the toothbrush to brush your teeth with, there's hardly a space in modern life where technology isn't already taken a foot-hold. Sometimes the technology can be obtuse, hard to use, hard to understand and even harder to save you time. Others we just have to live with... like modern cars, with 133 years since deployed, they are conceptually the same... in other words, they still ride on the ground. Yes,we have self-driving cars, cars that run on hydrogen, etc. etc. but no flying cars? No cars that could hover? Much like the phone market, technology is starting to hit a wall where stats of operating speed, RAM and other such items which use to be the tantamount reason to buy a phone no longer matter. It's the bells & whistles making the ad campaigns. These whistles and bells ultimately are being added to make daily use easier and more productive besides providing a higher quality product (like phone cameras for instance). OP6 does this in one of the simplest way (complex is not always better), the slider button. The ability to move from silent to vibrate to sound on is such a great experience with the phone. Even though you can program the button to do whatever you want, the default setting maybe all you need. The beauty of the OP6 light interpretation of vanilla Android helps to give the phone a great user experience. Much like Apple (and don't throw any at me), the OP6 works great, the way it's intended to right from the packaging. Although the ability to tweak, bootloader unlocking and flash ROMing are present. It is hard to justify taking the time to do so with such a well-rounded phone already. The Nut R1 on the other hand is slightly harder to crack, pun intended. Because of its Far East roots, it provides extreme customization from day 1. Do most people want to spend 2 days to fully setup their phone? Probably not. However, the Nut R1 gains some distinct advantages with for daily use from this. From my experience, battery life is better on the R1 than the OP6 since it has a slightly smaller screen and a slightly larger battery. More so, the extreme customization helps the software do a better job at battery monitoring and apps in memory running leading to better battery life as well. Then there's one step and idea pills to through in the mix again. These 2 software "enhancements", bells and whistles, whatever... saves time and adds productivity into the phone. It's not without one caveat. You need to figure these features out on your own (unless you know Mandarin). OP6's water resistance helps out too... if and when you might be presented with the problem of having your phone out in rain. Both phones show that they can get the job done daily.
Verdict: Dead Heat - If only the OP6 had Qi or the Nut R1 was water resistant, my job of deciding would be easy. :good: Unfortunately, it isn't that way...
Overall & Summary
Verdict: Smartisan Nut R1 or maybe not... :silly:
In all honesty, it is hard for me to decide a clear winner here. I have both phones and I'm still not sure which one I'm gonna put up on swappa and get rid of. This tells me I like something about each that ultimately makes me not want to get rid of either. Usually when I do these reviews, there's a clear cut winner. For this one, I can truly say either one is a home run based on the specific use case you need. Want something to develop a ROM, bootloader unlock, go with the OP6. Need something to be productive daily with while you're on-the-go and not sacrifice any performance at a very reasonable price, then the Nut R1 should efintely be considered. Finally, need a phone with 1TB of storage... guess what, the Nut R1 is your phone. I really haven't talk to much on the fact that you can get the Nut R1 with the unbelievable amount of UFS 2.1 storage of 1TB. I did not get it in that option (wish I could have got the 512GB if I could have found it reasonably priced) as I don't need that much space plus the $1000+ price tag is just slightly to much for me . You on the other hand might be a photo taking, song downloading junkaholic with no problem throwing a $1000 down then 1TB is right in your ball park. Most articles hype the Smartisan Nut R1 for the 1TB and miss the truly great phone underneath. Same can be said about the OP6 in another way. Articles typically about the newest "flagship killer" OnePlus has to offer look at why it's not a "killer" because its missing this or that or whatever feature... Yes, I did the same for Qi charging... so I'm to blame too. I just feel this year more than ever with the OP6 design change to a glass backed phone is just inconceivable not to have Qi. However, I have found a way around that also to find another awesome phone. Really, the winner here is all of us. Smartisan and OnePlus prove that you can make a quality product with top specs at prices most can afford. Samsung should be scared... Once again, this is just some guys opinion.
Some Quick Samples From Nut R1
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BOKEH FEATURE
in the little time with the R1 i can say i prefer the HDR being off for most picture situations , and looking over pictures i took with my OP6 i had i think the R1 has a very (very very ) slight advantage. especially in Bokeh shots.
Excellent Review as well!
MixEvo said:
in the little time with the R1 i can say i prefer the HDR being off for most picture situations , and looking over pictures i took with my OP6 i had i think the R1 has a very (very very ) slight advantage. especially in Bokeh shots.
Excellent Review as well!
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Thanks! I believe for bokeh this is also correct from my shots so far. Can’t say about HDR. Gonna try google camera as I understand it has good compatibility
Very comprehensive review and lovely kid. Good job, OP.
jerryhou85 said:
Very comprehensive review and lovely kid. Good job, OP.
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Thanks appreciate it!
Very good review, one of the more detailed ones i've seen, but you missed a tiny detail about the R1.
It's the first phone to ever have Dirac Panorama Sound and also it has 3 speakers (according to FoneArena).
And that TNT Worstation is also a bonus.
Myrmeko said:
Very good review, one of the more detailed ones i've seen, but you missed a tiny detail about the R1.
It's the first phone to ever have Dirac Panorama Sound and also it has 3 speakers (according to FoneArena).
And that TNT Worstation is also a bonus.
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Yeah I used to do a sound section but mine used revolve around whether the Bluetooth played fine with my car. Since upgrading to a head unit with android auto, I just worry about the compatibility with that system. Btw it works great with android auto. A lot of Huawei and even the pixel 2 xl have sucky compatibility with android auto. Since xda did an article on the Dirac, I kinda of left that out too. As far as the TNT, I knew about the feature but personally don’t have one to see how cool or not cool it is to comment. Thanks for reading. I think if others got a chance to see this phone in action they would buy it in a heartbeat. Smartisan said they support bootloader unlock too but said something about open source. I really didn’t find anymore then that. The translations of posts on their forum site can sometimes be hard to get the full meaning of the conversation. Thanks again!
Yeah, i forgot about XDA's article.
Anyway, i'm personally gonna wait a bit before buying a new phone. This seems like the best choice so far (especially the 1TB version), but i wanna see how stuff goes around here. If there would be custom kernels, xposed modules, custom ROMs, etc.
Thank you for the review and after read this i'm going to buy this phone, but i just worry about vietnamese display problem on chinese phone, some vietnamese text maybe not display right way, can you go to web address GENK.VN (sorry i can't post link) and take a screenshot about how this phone display vietnamese? thank so much
Pinokm412 said:
Thank you for the review and after read this i'm going to buy this phone, but i just worry about vietnamese display problem on chinese phone, some vietnamese text maybe not display right way, can you go to web address GENK.VN (sorry i can't post link) and take a screenshot about how this phone display vietnamese? thank so much
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If only I hadn't boxed it up over the weekend... Sold it to someone so that I can move in to my next phone to review... sorry. Try smartisan on facebook messenger. They are quick to respond. :highfive:
mahst68 said:
If only I hadn't boxed it up over the weekend... Sold it to someone so that I can move in to my next phone to review... sorry. Try smartisan on facebook messenger. They are quick to respond. :highfive:
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Can you link me to the correct Facebook page? Would love to ask about boot loader and treble support.
DQEight said:
Can you link me to the correct Facebook page? Would love to ask about boot loader and treble support.
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Start a conversation in Messenger: m.me/145041519488759