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With the advent of Android 3.0 ("Gingerbread"), can we all agree..? (Do chime in)
This posting is really @ALLHeadset Makers, but I'd like ppl's opinions. Will they listen? Who knows?
Okay, so it's been "leaked" (which I really consider to be "strategic information divulgence") that Android 3.0 ...
# Minimum hardware requirements for Android 3.0 devices are: 1GHZ CPU, 512MB or RAM, displays from 3.5” and higher.
# New 1280×760 resolution available for the devices with displays of 4” and higher.
# Completely revamped user interface. If you want to get a feeling of what Android 3.0 Gingerbread UX is like, check out the Gallery App on Nexus One. The same overall feel, light animated transitions,etc. Natively, through all the UI.
What I'd really like to see come this holiday season, with both GSM & CDMA offerings is ...
Mandatory Techs
#Worldphone
# QSD8672 (if device is by HTC) @1.5GHz or the next iteration of Hummingbird (if by Samsung); Samsung's S5PC110 with PowerVR SGX540 is capable of 90 million triangles per second , so I'd like to see –
# GPU capable of at least 180 million TPS, but I'd really like to minimally reach the PS3's 250 million TPS
# at least 1GB RAM
# NAND Flash internal storage (as opposed to [micro]SD)
# Gyroscope
# 8MP+ w/ at least one LED flash (one LED and a Xenon flash for taking photos being preferable, of course, and prob goes w/o saying, but you've GOOOTTA) have a flash ... Can we say Touch Pro2, anyone?) & at least 720p (preferably 1080p) video recording @ 30fps, but capable of 24fps for that look
# front–facing camera, taking video at a minimum VGA resolution, but I think we'd all like to see 1.3MP or more, and at no less than 30fps
# trackball or optical dpad is ABSOLUTELY mandatory, 'cause ... well, why the H3LL NOT!? I mean, really, how much space does it really take up (or cost)? I'd rather have one than not (Can we say Touch Pro2 .., AGAIN!?)
# HD radio
# Stereo speakers &
# at least two microphones (This combination worked very well for the Touch Pro2, so Kudos HTC ... this time...)
# 4" minimum screen size (although I think 5" is juuust right) to take advantage of ...
# 1280×720 & no less (Don't try to sell us short here ... DAMMIT!!!), preferably Super AMOLED, but we know they're in short supply ... and, Samsung's not sharin' the wealth currently
# 24-bit color depth, 'cause 16-bit ... seriously? ::cocking eyebrow:: It's F*&%IN' 2010!! I mean, just say it, twenty-ten. If that doesn't sound like we're in the future, I don't know what does.
# Gorilla Glass display
# Kickstand or tilting keyboard
# USB Host
# SRS 5.1 Virtual Surround
# Bluetooth 3
Possible Techs
# Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 (a la Nokia N8)
# 3D, a la Nintendo 3DS with 2/3D gradient, and all (Haven't seen it in person, so I don't know how effective it is, but everything I've read said it looks great‼)
# Solar paneling. Hmm... ::shrugs::
If the device has a hardware keyboard, it should use an HTC's Touch Pro2–like layout, which is the de facto BEST layout to date. A-GPS, Wi-Fi (which'd better be a/b/g/n ... well, maybe not so much a. ::shrugs:: ), accelerometer, digital compass, proximity & light sensors, 3.5mm audio jack, microSDHC (but, if available, microSDXC) slot that is accessible w/o removing the battery, or even taking off the battery cover, and by that time, 4G, all go w/o saying, and only a damned fool would leave any of these out. I think USB 3.0 would be a nice addition, too, but not mandatory. Also, I feel IR should not only return, but also be implemented with decent range, 'cause although it's slow as F*&%, it was nice to use my device as a universal remote. I never understood why the tech was removed in the first place. ::shrugs::
Well, that's all I really have to say about that. Please, do tell me what you all think. And, hopefully, these wanks in the hardware market, or R&D, or whoever the H3LL scours over the internet to find what customers want and'd be most marketable, sees this and tells his/her higher-ups.
"Goodnight & God Bless" ...
UPDATE: As far as pricing goes, let's not forget that it's most probable that carriers will continue to subsidize at or around the same price the top–of–the–line smartphones have been going for, ~$200—300, and a contract–free price of ~$650—800. Think about it, more oft than not, the successor of one model is released at the same price its predecessor was released at.
Dude,this sounds like a laptop that can make calls etc!With this kind of hardware we'll be able to run pc games on our phones!But we would need a portable power generator to keep the battery alive a whole day straight...Unless they equip these phones with some super 3000 mAh battery!
Anyway...Just remember that a year ago we had the same reaction when speaking about the phones with 1GHz CPU and giant screens that we have today!
****in' technology...It'll make us believe in magic sooner or later!
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tolis626 said:
... Just remember that a year ago we had the same reaction when speaking about the phones with 1GHz CPU and giant screens that we have today!
****in' technology...It'll make us believe in magic sooner or later!
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I, I do believe in magic. lol
But, seriously, though. Very doable.
Tell you what, this minimum specs was Google's first stupid decision! Come on! Devices like HTC Legend have been out for a couple of weeks & now Google says there will be no future for them? Unified android without stupid custom UIs was a great idea but if it meant it would be released for all devices simultaneously not just left owners in the cold! I think having minimum specs like this will only make developers lazy, it means no need for polishing the code & make it light!
In my opinion they should release two versions,one for high-end phones and another for devices without that much breathtaking hardware.Anyone agree?
::bump:: @Samsung
Well, apparently, someone's (ie: Samsung) actually listening to the community. Hopefully not just a rumor, but ...
Samsung i9200 Galaxy S2
4.3" Super AMOLED 2(? ... !! So, I'd imagine 24-bit color depth, too) 1280 X 720 @340 ppi(!!)
2 GHz CPU or a dual-core 1 GHz processor (although this disappoints in that Qualcomm's flagship'll have a dual-core 1.5GHz. Hopefully, they mean 2GHz dual-core )
Bluetooth 3.0
gyroscope
android 3.0
So, like I'd said, hope that's a dual-core 2GHz processor, but if not, ehh. Maybe it'll be comparable, if not better than Qualcomm's offering. 'Cause we can see how the Hummingbird can best the Snapdragon in the gfx dept, currently. The only thing missing for me is the lack of a trackball or optical dpad, which I really, really hope Samsung reconsiders. So, @Samsung, please do reconsider, and please, don't make ppl have to wait for a CDMA offering. Release 'em simultaneously.
kain144000 said:
Well, apparently, someone's (ie: Samsung) actually listening to the community. Hopefully not just a rumor, but ...
Samsung i9200 Galaxy S2
4.3" Super AMOLED 2(? ... !! So, I'd imagine 24-bit color depth, too) 1280 X 720 @340 ppi(!!)
2 GHz CPU or a dual-core 1 GHz processor (although this disappoints in that Qualcomm's flagship'll have a dual-core 1.5GHz. Hopefully, they mean 2GHz dual-core )
Bluetooth 3.0
gyroscope
android 3.0
So, like I'd said, hope that's a dual-core 2GHz processor, but if not, ehh. Maybe it'll be comparable, if not better than Qualcomm's offering. 'Cause we can see how the Hummingbird can best the Snapdragon in the gfx dept, currently. The only thing missing for me is the lack of a trackball or optical dpad, which I really, really hope Samsung reconsiders. So, @Samsung, please do reconsider, and please, don't make ppl have to wait for a CDMA offering. Release 'em simultaneously.
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ill buy this samsung, i love their products!
Man I'm drooling just thinking about those specs! I love technology! Oh and OP, you forgot to add a front facing camera in there.
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Guys,how about a phone that can take us to the moon?
Well,all that is really nice and I would kill to get one of those phones,but how much will they cost?Seriously!That sounds like some 1000 euros gone to HTC...
Qualcomm can shove it.
I dont like the whole BREW crap. Just the idea of it.
Texas Instaments is where its at, OMAP4 is 2ghz isnt it? (Been a while since i visited their dev. Site)
As for 3.0, i donvt think it will have those min req. Why would google even ditch their own phone......
The evo spec will ne the min req. If you ask me.
composically
ArcticWolf91 said:
... OP, you forgot to add a front facing camera in there...
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You're absolutely right. Original post's been corrected.
You forgot the suitcase of batteries to power the thing...
Seriously though.. 5" screen? WAY too big for a phone that goes in your pocket.
What the H3LL! Let's throw some solar panels on that ß17©#, too.
Oh dear God, please no F*ing AMOLED display. The pentile matrix on my Desire is driving me crazy, and the Galaxy S I played with was even worse. Crisp LCD text for me please!
Is everyone mad? Those specs are rediculous!! I for one don't want a screen larger then 3.2" maybe 3.5" depending on the form factor. Anything higher then 3.5" wont fit in my tight jeans pockets very well, hell my topaz is even tight enough that I put it in my bag while sitting down.
LordVarkson said:
Is everyone mad? Those specs are rediculous!! I for one don't want a screen larger then 3.2" maybe 3.5" depending on the form factor. Anything higher then 3.5" wont fit in my tight jeans pockets very well, hell my topaz is even tight enough that I put it in my bag while sitting down.
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Overlooked that a little bit. The 3.7" on my Desire is already too big, to be honest.
Give me 720p 16:9 on a 3.5" LCD please
Display wise, the 1280 x 760 is very achievable, and pixel density, how about 500 ppi, since Steve Jobs lied about the maximum retinal perception.
GOOD eyesight limit: 477ppi.
Source: Samsung (Since they're some of the leaders when it comes to displays.
I think that, if they're going to target consumers who have never used Android before, they need to at least have a phone that is fast, has good multimedia features (camera, etc.), as well as a good hardware design.
The only good Android camera phone that I've seen is the Samsung Galaxy S, which is only 5MP. Also, I think 4.3" is really pushing it for the average consumer. I thought the screen size of the Nexus One (3.7") was perfectly fine, and the max I would go is probably 4.0", assuming that the screen bezel is thin. That is just my opinion, as I don't think I have ever watched videos nor have done heavy reading on a phone while mobile. A larger screen would make reading emails more friendly, but the text is most often wrapped, so a humongous screen is definitely not necessary.
Vonrottes said:
Qualcomm can shove it.
I dont like the whole BREW crap. Just the idea of it.
Texas Instaments is where its at, OMAP4 is 2ghz isnt it?
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Honestly, all of my devices, ever since the UTStarcom/Audiovox/whoevertheF*&%ever PPC-6700, have used Qualcomm processors, so they're all that I know. I don't know whether it's HTC or Qualcomm's fault, or both, but they've been absolutely TERRIBLE in regards to GPUs, just F*&%IN' TERRIBLE‼ I'm not too familiar with OMAP processor performance, but I do know that Samsung's doin' the damn thing with their Hummingbird. I mean, they're outdoing EVERYONE in the GPU department, 3–F*&%IN'–X over‼
Also, I'd updated the original post. I'd forgot an easily accessible microSDHC(XC) slot.
Gingerbread Phone
Since we're all going to the loony bin, let's go ahead and add in a 3D display. Also, a 1750 battery.
I would love:
3.7 - 4.0" display with a resolution of 1080 x 720 and around 400+ PPI (maybe 3D video recording/playback and pictures - no glasses necessary -), 24-bit (180 degree viewing angle)
Dual core 2Ghz TI OMAP 45nm processor with Nvidia Tegra 2 GPU (does that make sense?) (reason for dual core 2Ghz and not just a 2Ghz, they're thinking dual core will be better for battery. one proc. shuts down when not in use saving power)
1GB RAM with 16GB ROM and microSD slot (as previously stated, no need to remove battery cover) (comes with 8-16GB class 6 microSD card)
Able to record excellent quality full 720p videos at constant 30FPS and excellent light sensor for perfect low-light settings. Able to play back 1080p videos
Able to record excellent quality 1080p video at constant 20FPS
Excellent audio quality
Gyroscope + Accelerometer + A-GPS + Bluetooth 3.0 + WiFi b/g/n + digital compass + WiMAX + FM radio + proximity and light sensors
2MP front-facing camera able to record at constant 30FPS
5MP+ back camera with either dual LED flash or one LED for recording and one Xenon for picture taking
1750mAh battery
Capacitive buttons + optical trackball + dedicated camera button
Dual antenna
Three microphones
Unibody aluminum housing with a thin strip of durable rubber along the edges for extra ruggedness
Internal fitted sheet of thin durable rubber on back of phone (remember, internally) for shock resistance
Android mascot placed on bottom left-hand of the device
Preloaded with Inception (LOL. because like the movie, this phone will f*ck your mind)
500 hours stand-by
Up to 10 hours talk time
Up to 15 hours WiFi / 10 hours 3G / 7 hours 4G internet usage
Up to 20 hours video playback
Up to 60 hours audio playback
No 3rd party skinned Android 3.0
No thicker than .06"
No limits placed on hardware/software capabilities
And a game-pad (d-pad, analog stick - think PSP -, a, b, c, d button, L and R bumpers, start and select) casing to buy as an accessory for emulators that works over Bluetooth and only adds roughly .05" thickness when equipped
Did I forget anything?
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The Benyi Miracle One (AKA Dolphin) has the hardware needed for high end Android tablets. But still, with so many more tablets currently on the market, choosing the right one involves a great amount of research deliberation, so let’s take a look at what this package from Benyi has to offer.
Highlights
1.4 GHz Exynos4412 Quad-Core Processor
9.7” 1024×768 IPS display
1GB LPDDR2 RAM
12,000 mAh Lithium battery. (Approximately 10 hours of use)
5MP rear camera
3MP front camera (webcam)
Stereo Speakers
Specs:
Operating System: Android 4.0.3
Model: Benyi Miracle One (Dolphin)
Display Technology: IPS capacitive touch screen
Screen Size:9.7 inch
Resolution:1024*768
CPU Manufacturer: Samsung
CPU Model: Exynos 4412 (Quad core Cortex-A9)
CPU Speed: 1.4GHz
GPU: Quad core of Mali-400MP
GPU Speed: 400MHZ-440MHZ
RAM: 1GB LPDDR2
Hard Drive Capacity: 16GB
Storage Card Support: No
Camera: 3MP+5MP Auto Focus
HDMI: No
Bluetooth: No
GPS: NO
G-Sensor: Yes
Gyroscope: Yes
Audio: Built in stereo speakers / Built in Microphone
Language: Multi-language support
Battery Type: Li-ion, 12,000mAh
Charging Voltage: 5V - 2A
Color: White plus sky blue
Item Dimensions/ W*D*H:238.5×181×11mm
Net Weight: 680g
Connectors
Ports: 1 x Micro USB port (with OTG support)
1 x Audio jack
Communications
Wireless Connection: WIFI 802.11 b/g/n
Retail Package
The Benyi Miracle One, along with a USB data cable, an OTG cable as well as a pair of earphones is held by a very interesting, yet very expensive-looking see-through plastic packing box, which kind of reminds me of the Apple iPod touch, only it comes gigantic.
The battery charger is packed in a smaller paper back box.
Besides, I have also received a white leather case which is a perfect fit for the tablet and piece of anti-friction screen protection cover. All of the standard fittings of the Benyi Miracle One are of relatively high quality.
Design
The Benyi Miracle One has a stunning iPad-alike design, as this tablet features a 9.7 inch screen up front, pure white bezel and almost the same size as iPad2. The only difference you would notice is probably the blue sidelines around the bezel, and the absence of the famous home key.
Above the display, a 3.0 mega-pixels front facing camera sits in the right corner ready for our video chatting needs of self-portrait.
Flipping over to its backside, you will find more differences from the iPad2. The surface of the Dolphin’s backside is ABS engineering plastic, which feels very smooth, while the iPad2’s backside surface is made of magnalium alloy, which gives the device more of a frosted feeling. The Dolphin is also treated to a respectable 5.0 mega-pixels auto-focus camera, which can shoot relatively sharp images to share on Twitter and Facebook. The triple speaker gates can be found at the lower left, right near the bottom edge, this could prevent sound blocking while you put the tablet on a flat surface. You could also find Benyi’s Logo and some other information about the device on the lower middle of the tablet’s backside.
Just like the iPad2 and some Samsung tablets, Benyi has taken the minimalist approach, opting for just power/standby, screen rotation lock and volume buttons as the only physical controls and Micro USB port and 3.5mm audio jack as the only connectors on the device which means, somewhat disappointingly, that there’s no sign of HDMI or SD card ports.
At 680g, it’s over 200g heavier than the Samsung Galaxy Tab8.9, and measures in at 11mm in thickness which as a result, makes it extremely uncomfortable to hold in one hand. Benyi has claimed that the extra thickness is for the 12,000 mAh battery, so how can I not forgive them for not making the device a little slimmer?
Whether you find the design of the Miracle One good-looking is more of a personal taste. For me, I would say I probably prefer tablets like the PIPO M8 or the Motorola XOOM which represent the essence of black technology. But I do adore the overall clean appearance of the Miracle One. As it is manufactured by a famous OEM (FOXCONN), its build quality can also be guaranteed.
Display
We’ve seen plenty of Chinese tablets utilizing IPS displays of some sort, like the Ainol Hero and the PIPO M8. As a higher-end device, the Miracle One hasn’t gone beyond any of them by featuring a normal 9.7 inch 1024*768 pixels IPS display. This is still a decent choice since no android tablet with an FHD or retina display works fine enough to kick XGA screens out of the scene.
However, I would not suggest you to expect its quality to be as good as the Super IPS+ displays featured on those market-leading tablets such as ASUS Transformer Prime. Even though it has great viewing angles and color saturations like all IPS screens do, its brightness is not strong enough to support outdoor use.
The brightness of the Miracle One’s Display is not as good as the One featured by PIPO M8
Hardware
In terms of SoC, Benyi has chosen the impeccable Samsung Exynos 4412 quad core chipset, based on Cortex A9-frame and used 32nm workmanship. The main frequency of each core can reach 1.4GHz, and it is also powered by a quad-core Mali 400 GPU @44oMHZ, which proves to be more than adequate in my test of running some graphically intense games. 1GB of LPDDR2 ram only helps the tablet run various applications simultaneously, but also incurs lower power consumption than the DDR3 ram used in other Chinese tablets.
In terms of raw processing potential, Exynos 4412 leads the other chipsets used on android tabs by a large margin. Software optimizations and clock rates aside, increased parallelization allows this SoC to work on more data concurrently. Similar to the desktop space, adding cores doesn't turn out to have a multiplicative effect on most real-world applications. But an enhanced ability to multitask is nice, especially as resource-hungry background tasks pile up.
Here are some benchmark scores and comparison to the scores of other tablets:
Here are some screenshots of gaming on the Dolphin:
Interface
The tablet is running Miracle OS, an extensively customized operating system based on Android 4.0.3 Ice Cream Sandwich.
Benyi has transplanted almost the entire iOS interface onto an Android tablet. You would easily mistake it for an Apple iPad since the tablet has no ICS status bar, which also means that the famous software controls for “Back”, “home” and “task switcher” are nowhere to be found. Benyi has smartly designed a floating software key, which imitates the famous home button on the Apple iPad, both in appearance and functionalities. When you press the key once, it exits from the current screen to the previous one, just like the back button in the status bar on other Android tablets. But when you press the soft key for over 1 second, you would go back to the main screen. And if you press the key twice in a row, the customized task switcher would come out from the button of the screen, just like the one on iOS.
Several spots along the corner of the screen are reserved for you to place the floating soft key, but I sometimes find its presence quite annoying, especially when I am playing games or watching some video clips. For me, any customization done to the stock ICS UI is unnecessary, let alone a complete change just like the Miracle One brings.
Internet and Connectivity
We’ve always been favorable with the web browsing experience on most ICS flavored tablets, but for some, the experience is marred by choppiness and sluggishness. Well folks, that’s not the case with the almighty Benyi Miracle One, as it represents what a flawless web browsing experience should be like. Not only is it able to load complex web pages very fast and accurately, it doesn’t flinch whatsoever when pages littered with heavy Flash content. All in all, it maintains its steady responsiveness and fluidity with various navigational controls to make it such a joy traversing through content heavy web pages. Seriously, I sometimes find myself getting lost in perusing a variety of pages for the simple reason that its performance is near perfect.
Connected to a Wi-Fi network, the tablet is able to establish a solid connection with very little evidence of fluctuation – and more importantly, it’s still able to connect perfectly at 10 meters away. However, the absence of Bluetooth is quite a letdown for such a high-end device.
Camera
Turning our attention to its camera interface, Benyi again manages to give it a complete iOS feeling, sporting only a large viewfinder, a front/rear camera switcher, and a photo/video taking switch. The simpleness certainly makes it easier to use, but for a tablet featuring a 5.0 Mega-pixels AF camera, I would have expected more controls. Lastly, it takes less than one second to snap an image, which is extremely fast.
Photoes taken by the rear 5.0 Mega-pixels Camera
Taking into account the kind of camera it’s packing on, there’s naturally some high expectations attached to it, since it carries something that’s beefier than most other tablets. As a whole, its quality is good enough to accept for the majority, but not great to put in in good light with the quality exhibited by some smartphones. Details are average looking, but for some odd reason, outdoor shots and indoors under florescent lighting tend to have a cooler looking color production – thus, casting a distinctive bluish/greenish hue to our photos. However, I am sorely disappointed that its quality tanks in extremely low lighting situations. Plainly, it’s diminished by its poor details, pervasive digital noise, and inability to handle dynamic range. Also, the absence of LED flash makes it impossible to take photos in a dark environment.
Photoes taken by front-facing camera
For me, the 3.0 mega-pixels front facing camera is the real plus here, serving us with optimized online video-chatting experiences, much better than what the Galaxy Tab brings.
Multimedia
Not surprisingly, the interface of the music player on the Benyi Miracle One also imitates the one on the iOS. In fact, it’s the same exact one I am familiar with as I have received an iPad2 as a gift from my company! Well, at least it’s still an attractive looking one thanks to the clean feel to it. And the triple speakers packed on the tablet produce a good amount of intensity with its output – with no evidence of crackling during my usage. Additionally, there are various equalizer settings, even manual ones too, that fine-tunes the quality for each specific genre of music.
Do you need a traveling companion that’s worthy enough to play many hours of movies or music videos on the road? Well, the Benyi Miracle One is easily the number one candidate with its gorgeous looking display and indomitable quad-core processor. With my test videos encoded in H264 1920 x 1080 or 1280 x 720 resolutions, it’s simply a joy to watch them on the Dolphin thanks to its smooth playback, realistic colors, and sharp details.
Software
Interestingly, the tablet isn’t bogged down out of the box by bloatware, and in fact, preloaded third party apps are kept to a minimum. Specifically, it’s preinstalled with only a free app market, a WPS office, a VIVA HD magazine reader which only offers Chinese magazines, and some Google applications (Google Maps, Google Talk and Google Play).
Battery Life
The Dolphin features three Li-Po rechargeable batteries of 4,000 mAh, which add up to an ass-kicking 12,000mAh of power, offering more than 10 hours of intense usage. During my 720P video-playback test, the Miracle One (with 30% display brightness and 50% of speaker volume) lasted 12 hours and 40 minutes, which is by far the best result I have had testing any tablet.
But here’s also another annoying issue, the tablet cannot be charged under a shutdown state, every time I plug in the charging cable, the tablet automatically boots itself. A full charge can take up to 7.5 hours with the bundled 5V-2A charger. What should also be noted here is that the tablet is charged via the Micro USB port, not the 2.5mm DC port we have seen on almost all Chinese tablets.
Verdict
The Good:
1.4 GHz Exynos4412 Quad-Core Processor
Adorable industrial design
1GB LPDDR2 RAM
12,000 mAh Lithium battery.
5MP rear camera
3MP front camera (webcam)
Stereo Speakers
The bad:
No Bluetooth
No Micro SD card slot
No HDMI
Excessively Customized user interface
Incapability of charging under a shutdown state
Unquestionably, this is the tablet to own right now if you’re in the market of buying one, and trust me, you won’t be disappointed at all. First and foremost, we have to give Benyi credit in taking the opportunity in delivering such a high-caliber tablet that’s no doubt a benchmarker in many categories.
Ushering us into the age of quad-cores, the Benyi Miracle One screams remarkably in the processing department – making it the fastest and best performing Android tablet I’ve had the prestigious opportunity of checking out. For some time now, Android had this stigma of never achieving the fluidity and responsiveness found with iOS, but this seemingly breaks them down and shows the endless possibilities of an Ice Cream Sandwich powered device. To balance things out, I am also impressed that battery life isn’t compromised in the least bit, as it’s able to surprise me with its excellent performance.
When you think about its adorable industrial design, muscle power quad-core processor, impeccable battery life, and brilliant looking IPS display, and its choice of Foxconn as the OEM, you could easily assume that it should be quite costly. However, Benyi has somehow managed to keep its cost of ownership quite affordable. The 16GB version of the tablet, along with a very gorgeous protection case and a piece of high quality anti-friction screen cover, is priced at RMB1990 ($319). I would not say it’s the cheapest quad core android tablet you can get coz it’s not, but I would say it’s the best quad-core tablet you can get under RMB 2,000 ($320.00).
Here is the score I would give this device:
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Cube offers what can seem like a bewildering array of tablets, including the standard Wi-Fi only Android tablets, the business-oriented iWork series and the cellular and phone-equipped Talk ranges. The T9 and the T7 are the latest offerings from the Talk series, although Cube did simplify their communication names. The 9.7-inch T9 reviewed here delivers a strong set of features and is a serious competitor for the Xiaomi M1 Pad and the Samsung Tab Pro 10.5. With 32GB of internal storage and full phone functionalities, the T9 costs only RMB1,499 ($244).
Cube T9 main specs:
OS: Android 4.4
Display: 9.7-inch IPS, 10-point multi-touch, IGZO
Screen Resolution: 2048 x 1536 (4:3)
CPU: MediaTek MT8752 octa-core processor (8 cores of 64-bit Cortex-A53)
CPU Frequency: 2.0GHz
GPU: ARM Mali-760MP2
RAM / Storage: 2GB / 32GB
Function: WiFi, Bluetooth 4.0, GPS, A-GPS, OTG, Miracast, FM Radio
WiFi: 802.11 b/g/n, WiFi hotspot
GSM: band2, band3, band5, band8
TDS: band34, band39
WCDMA: band1, band5
TDD: band38, band39, band40, band41
FDD: band1, band3, band7
Camera: 5MP back camera, 2MP front camera
Battery: 10,000mAh
Ports: TF Card Slot, SIM Card Slot, Micro USB Port, 3.5mm Headphone Jack
Weight & Size: 610 g / 237 x 170 x 8.9 mm
Design
The Cube T9 isn’t exceptionally thin and light, measuring 8.9mm thick and weighing 610g, it is much thicker and heavier than its predecessor – the Cube Talk 9X, which measures at 7mm and weighs only 560g. This certainly doesn’t give the T9 an immediate appeal, if you're making comparisons on these grounds. The reason why the T9 is so thick and heavy is that Cube uses both die casting roll cage and metal anti-roll frame, which are designed to protect the internals of the tablets from collision and impact.
The screen sits in a relatively thin bezel, which can result in unintended selections when holding the tablet in portrait mode. But while you hold it in landscape mode, there is enough bezel to rest your fingers on. The 2MP front-facing camera is located above the display, along with a tiny light sensor to help auto-adjust the brightness of the display.
The edges of T9 are silver-colored, which looks unappealing on our black review sample. In portrait mode, the top edge is home to the 3.5mm headphone jack and a micro SD card slot. The power button, the volume rocker slot are located on the top of the right edge of the slate, while the SIM tray is located on the bottom of the right edge.
The side-facing speakers are located on the right end of the bottom edge, which is pretty smart design as the speaker gates won’t be easily blocked by your hands however you hold the tablet.
The stippled plastic rear, which looks exactly like the back of the Samsung Galaxy Tab S, does the T9 no great favors, either. Although Cube insists that this design is inspired by the surface of a golf ball, and improves the grip of the tablet, still, we are not impressed.
The 13MP camera and an LED flash is located on the upper left corner of the rear side.
Overall, the T9 lacks the premium appeal the Cube Talk 9X was once famous for.
Display
The 9.7-inch IPS LCD screen is the same 2,048-by-1,536 resolution with 264ppi as the iPad Air, we can’t say we are astonished with this amount of pixel offering anymore as we have already seen lots of tablets from China with 9.7-inch Retina displays by now, and there are also lots of tablets with much higher pixel density on the market at the moment.
Unfortunately, the quality of the T9’s display isn’t as amazing as Cube advertised. The contrast ratio doesn’t match it is on the super clear PLS display on my Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 and, with an explosion-proof film on top of the touchscreen, the display looks annoyingly grainy at times, especially when you are viewing a web page with white background color.
With that said, it is far from being a terrible display. Colors are a lot more relaxed than those seen on some of Samsung’s AMOLED devices, and viewing angles are also quite amazing.
The T9’s screen is fairly bright that we only need the brightness slider set at 30% or lower most of the time, the auto-brightness option works well too.
Sound
The side-facing stereo speakers are one area where the T9 under-delivers. They are quite loud, but the sound quality is disappointing, especially when compared to the Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro or the iPad Air. This is a pity as it means the tablet isn't really up to delivering music and movies without the help from an external audio system.
System and apps
The Cube T9 runs stock Android 4.4.4 Kitkat OS, with limited customizations made to the icons. Preinstalled applications are kept to the minimum as well.
App selection is the biggest reason to hesitate about the T9. It isn't bad by any means, and is no better or worse than any other Android tablets, with the Google Play Store's solid selection on board. It's just that when you compare it to the iPad's App Store, you'll see that the Play Store's tablet selection still has some catching up to do. Unlike those 7-inch tablets, which still works and looks perfectly fine running smartphone apps, The T9’s spacious 4:3 display can make some applications look distorted and unappealing.
Performance
Inside the Cube T9, there're a 1.7GHz, 64-bit MediaTek MT8752 octa-core processor and 2 full GB of RAM. Although it by no means the most cutting-edge design, it is still a very beefy set-up.
Benchmarks tell the story. The T9 scored 40,272 on the Antutu system benchmark and 3,401 on the Geekbench3 processor benchmark, as compared with around 30,000 and 2,117 for the Cube i6, and 34,810 and 2,296 for the Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4.
On the Vellamo HTML5 benchmark test, the tablet scored an impressive 2231, which is in the same class as the even the highest end of Android devices.
In the 3DMark Ice Storm graphics benchmark, the T9 scored 8,768 points, clearly no match for the MAXED OUT performance the Intel powered Cube i6 presented. This did tell the true story that the Mali-760MP2 GPU didn’t compare to the cutting-edge offerings such as the Qualcomm Adreno 330 or the Imagination PowerVR 6xxx series, but it was still a great improvement over the Mali-450MP4 GPU used in the last generation of MediaTek octa-core chipsets.
Tablets and phones that run stock Android often provide day-to-day performance that’s better than the devices with heavily customized interfaces. The slate performs like a champ most of the time -- as long as there are lot too many apps running in the background. There are some minor, intermittent pauses before the contents of menus pop up, but little-to-none of the very basic interface scroll lag we’ve seen in those entry-level tablets and smartphones. It does take a while to come out of standby at times, though, which can get annoying.
During mass auto-updates, updates would freeze mid-download like frozen apps mid-download. Even though it has a zippy octa-core CPU and 2GB of RAM, it is still easily overwhelmed when pushing its performance to maximum. But it is more of a problem of the multi-tasking enhanced Android operating system rather than a defect of the Cube T9.
Reading and browsing
The squarer 9.7-inch display is perfect size for browsing content-heavy webpages and reading E-magazines, and the capable MT8752 processor doesn’t disappoint. Loading graphic-intense web-pages happens fairly quickly, dragging and zooming the page itself feels as smooth as silk, There are little to none lags in turning pages of even the most gigantic PDF file.
Gaming
As long as we kept background apps to a minimum, gaming performance was fast and smooth. Large games like NFS 17 opened quickly and levels loaded within a few seconds. While playing Riptide, the tablet reacted quickly, making tight turns and sharp movements in real time.
Video Playback
A screen with 4:3 aspect ratio isn’t really ideal for video playback, as most video files come in widescreen, which result in a lot of wasted screen real estate when we play 1080P videos on the T9. Fortunately, with Cube’s rich experience in making MP4 players, the T9 has incredible video codec support.
Almost all media files with basic video codecs (i.e. DivX). MKV, AVI (XviD) and MP4 videos play smoothly through T9’s video player. You can change the zoom mode (100% or fit to screen with and without affecting the video's aspect ratio) and there's a pinch zoom too, in case you want to get close up on a specific part of the action.
If subtitles are available, the video player will automatically find and load them. You can also manually load subtitles, if the video and subtitle file names don't match.
Connectivity
The T9 features dual 4G support (FD-LTE & TD-LTE), which means you get up to 150Mbps of downlink and up to 50Mbps of uplink speeds. It also covers dual 3G (WCDMA & TD-SCDMA) and 4 bands of GSM.
It also features Wi-Fi a/b/g/n/ac support, with 2.4GHz and 5GHz band compatibility. Wi-Fi Direct and DLNA support are also available as well as GPS and FM Radio. Bluetooth 4.0 is available for local data transfer, too.
There is a micro SD card slot as well, on top of the 32GB of internal storage.
The T9 naturally supports USB-on-the-go, but you will need to buy an additional adapter for that. The tablet can work with USB storage, USB mice and keyboards. Of course, you can always hook up a Bluetooth mouse or keyboard to the slate without relying on the cable connection.
You can also mirror your tablet screen on the bigger HDTV via Wi-Fi Direct and the widely supported Miracast protocol - that would even allow you to play mobile games on the biggest screen in your living room.
Just like the T7, the T9 supports OTA firmware upgrade, you will receive the notification whenever an update is available.
Battery life
First and foremost, the T9 is a brilliant tablet for battery life with a very large 10,000mAh capacity inside, full stop.
Untouched, the device will last a really long time as it holds its charge extremely well. When you do use it, it doesn't jump off a cliff like a brainless lemming either. You'll get about 9 hours of screen time. This is an average, as it depends on how bright you set that super high-res screen. You'll get less if you ramp it up but even more at lower levels.
Either way, it's a great performer in this area and means the T9 is a good choice for those wanting to travel without their tablet dying on them half way through a flight or a car journey where the tablet is entertaining kids in the back.
In our standard cngadget battery test, where we play a 1080P video on loop with 30 percent brightness while having notifications for email turned on, the T9 lasted 9 hours and 5 minutes, which is almost on par with the longevity the Talk 9X could deliver. Neither tablet can come anywhere near the Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5, though, which gives you two more hours of screen use between charges.
Cameras
The T9 has two cameras, the norm for any high-quality tablet. It uses a 13-megapixel rear camera and 2-megapixel front camera.
We think a tablet like this is much too big to be used as an everyday camera, but otherwise it offers pretty good shooting. There’s very little shutter lag, focusing is snappy and you get a few additional modes. There’s HDR, panorama, beauty face and object tracking.
While not up with the best smartphones in terms of image quality, they're much better than the tablet average. Here are a few samples:
The T9 also has an LED flash, which some tablets lack. The T9’s front camera isn’t too bad either – you don’t need more for standard video chat, although some phones are starting to use higher-resolution 5-megapixel front cameras for better selfies.
Conclusions
There is no doubt that T9 is one of Cube's best tablets yet, and, though it is not so stylish and record-breaking as its predecessor – the Cube Talk 9X, it's still a great slate with solid specs and excellent build quality.
Back in 2012 when Rockchip’s RK3066 dual-core A9 processor dominated the tablet industry in China, a few tablet makers already began to sell tablets with 9.7-inch retina display. The struggling performance and recurrent lags from those offerings lead to a generally negative impression of Chinese tablets with a high-resolution display. But powered by enhanced processors coming out in 2013 and 2014, high-res tablets are finally good.
With dozens of tablets released this year, Cube certainly hasn't made choosing a tablet easy. Is the T9 enough to make Talk 9X or i6 users to switch? Certainly not. However, unless you've already bought a tablet in 2014, the T9 will give you plenty of reasons to go for it and the beefy processor is just one of them.
If you like the T9’s specs but not the size and weight, you can also go smaller with the Cube T7, which has almost identical internal set-ups, aside from a smaller 7-inch screen and significantly smaller battery to fit into the tinier body.
The good
Solid build quality.
Amazing battery life.
Smooth performance delivered by the beefy processor and 2GB RAM.
32GB internal storage with Micro SD card support.
A nice rear-facing 13MP camera.
OTA upgrade.
The Bad
Not slim or light by today’s standards.
No HDMI on board.
The explosion-proof film on top of the touchscreen makes the display look annoyingly grainy.
Hi, but the Cube T9 4G tablet support LED flash?
Annie Y said:
Hi, but the Cube T9 4G tablet support LED flash?
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Cube T9 support LED flash, you can look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y93zqo0sJo
man!
got this one today, but can't root it!
even drivers for windows (debug mode) aren't available...
anyone any ideas?
Cant root t7 either
Tried oneclickroot
Root genius
iroot formerly vroot
Kingo root too
Doomlord please help I'll send ya my tablet to root if you fancy a challenge
Sent from my GT-I9305 using XDA Free mobile app
Yo dude!
I've just rooted it with vroot (iroot)
Just get google debug drivers and install them manualy
And itoot will do the rest
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Free mobile app
awesome
Does it play Hearthstone?
root cube t 9 4g
Hi,
you got it!! nice one.
could you explain how you did it?
filiphch said:
Yo dude!
I've just rooted it with vroot (iroot)
Just get google debug drivers and install them manualy
And itoot will do the rest
Sent from my Nexus 5 using XDA Free mobile app
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My contribution:
The good
Battery
Smooth performance
OTA upgrade
4G
The Bad
The screen lacks much precision !!!! may be due to proof film ???
Only 2 Go allowed to internal storage (system and app) can't install app on the rest or on sd card ::> http://forum.zopomobileshop.com/thread-1412-1-1.html ????
bug
Reboot alone
Seems great
This tablet seems great for my use, however the screen precision mentioned in this threat, worries me a bit. Could you confirm it?
The battery life is really a selling point for me.
ferdyfist said:
This tablet seems great for my use, however the screen precision mentioned in this threat, worries me a bit. Could you confirm it?
The battery life is really a selling point for me.
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I've got totaly no problem with precision
i can click any small detail on screen without error
realy nice tablet
just be aware of 2gb limit of app space
otherwise tablet is super!
So no screen issue? All clear and such?
Can you confirm the battery life as well?
And the small app storage should be able to be repartitioned, I hope.
I btw saw somewhere, that this was able to record in 4k? Not that I believe it, but is the camera good, both for video and photos?
ferdyfist said:
So no screen issue? All clear and such?
Can you confirm the battery life as well?
And the small app storage should be able to be repartitioned, I hope.
I btw saw somewhere, that this was able to record in 4k? Not that I believe it, but is the camera good, both for video and photos?
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Nope -> I <- have got totaly no issues with the screen...
My previous tablet was Onda v975m, and the battery life is a tyni bit longer now
Let's hope together then for repartitioning
4k? Nah...
Camera is realy wierd... only default camera software gave me the ''full hd'' video... android camera could do it only in low res.
Photos of front camera are the same as other chinese tablets
I wouldn't buy it for camera xD
But if you need to take a photo outside in bright daylight, it will be ok with hdr turned on
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Just read
http://www.freaktab.com/showthread.php?20643-Cube-T9-64bit-octacore-A53-4G-beast
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I have mine for about a week now and all is working great..no screen issues at all and no inner film as some have reported and the screen just looks very clear and detailed..no graininess at all..i have not tried a sim card in it yet to try the phone part, but this is a real nice tablet and fast.
I have had mine for 2 week's now and it's been very good. Had a few dramas earlier with trying to upgrade firmware. The only real problem for me is the 5ghz WiFi band. It's really unreliable and keeps dropping out, the 2ghz band is reliable. Hopefully it's just software related and they fix it. Has anyone had the 4g signal working. I tried my mobile 4g sim and was only picking up 3g
Mine 5GHZ wifi is stable...
Maybe you should check your router?
Amazing Review
Thankyou for posting such an extensive review.. This seems to be a nice device to carry.. But I wonder about the explosion proof film. They could have done better I suppose.
Well, it has been sometime since I have done a Some Guy Review. It's actually been years, so let's see if I still got what it takes to review these 2 equally great phones.
As always, I have no brand loyalty or affiliation. I bought the phones with my own dime, so it's not like I am "hamming" it up for a company that sent me a free phone or swag. I'm neither Fanboy or iSheep, use both Apple products and Android on a daily basis. These our my observations based on "real world" usage. Although I'll refer to some stats and specifications, I won't AnTuTu or whatever you to death. With that, here's the tale of the tape:
OnePlus 6
Basic parameters
Dimensions
155.7x75.4x7.75 mm
Weight
6.2 ounces (177g)
Material
Glass
Colors
Mirror Black/ Midnight Black/ Silk White / Red
Operating System
OxygenOS based on Android™ Oreo
CPU
Qualcomm® Snapdragon 845 (Octa-core, 10nm, up to 2.8 GHz), within AIE
GPU
Adreno 630
Notification Light
RGB LED notification light
Vibration
Haptic vibration motor
RAM
6 GB / 8 GB LPDDR4X
Storage
UFS 2.1 2-LANE 64 GB / 128 GB / 256 GB
Sensors
Fingerprint, Hall, Accelerometer, Gyroscope, Proximity, RGB Ambient Light Sensor, Electronic Compass, Sensor Core
Ports
USB 2.0, Type-C, Support USB Audio
Dual nano-SIM slot
3.5 mm audio jack
Battery
3300 mAh (non-removable) Fast Charging (5V 4A)
Buttons
Gestures and on-screen navigation support Alert Slider
Audio
Bottom-facing speaker
Noise cancellation support
Dirac HD Sound®
Dirac Power Sound®
Unlock Options
Fingerprint
Face Unlock
Connectivity
LTE/LTE-A
DL 4CA/256QAM, UL CA/64QAM, 4x4 MIMO
Supports up to DL CAT16/ UL CAT13 (1Gbps/150 Mbps) depending on carrier support
Bands
FDD LTE:
Band 1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/17/18/19/20/25/26/28/29/30/32/66/71
TDD LTE: Band 34/38/39/40/41
TD-SCDMA: Band 34/39
UMTS(WCDMA): Band 1/2/4/5/8/9/19
CDMA: BC0/BC1
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Check carrier compatibility
Wi-Fi
2x2 MIMO, Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, 2.4G/5G
Bluetooth
Bluetooth 5.0, support aptX & aptX HD
NFC
NFC enabled
Positioning
GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou, Galileo
Display
Size: 6.28 inches (The corners of the screen are within a standard rectangle. Measured diagonally, the screen size is 6.28 inches in the full rectangle and 6.12 inches accounting for the rounded corners.)
Resolution: 2280 x 1080 pixels
Aspect Ratio: 19:9
Type: Optic AMOLED
Support sRGB, DCI-P3
Cover Glass: 2.5D Corning® Gorilla® Glass 5
Features
Adaptive Mode
Reading Mode
Night Mode
Lift Up Display
Camera
Rear Camera - Main
Sensor: Sony IMX 519
Megapixels: 16
Pixel Size: 1.22 µm
OIS: Yes
EIS: Yes
Autofocus: DCAF
Aperture: f/1.7
Rear Camera - Secondary
Sensor: Sony IMX 376K
Megapixels: 20
Pixel Size: 1.0 µm
Autofocus: PDAF
Aperture: f/1.7
Flash
Dual LED Flash
Video
4K resolution video at 30/60 fps
1080P resolution video at 30/60 fps
720P resolution video at 30 fps
Super Slow Motion: 1080p video at 240 fps, 720p video at 480 fps
Time-Lapse
Video Editor
Features
Portrait, Pro Mode, Panorama, HDR, HQ, Dynamic Denoise, Clear Image, RAW Image
Front Camera
Front Camera
Sensor: Sony IMX 371
Megapixels: 16
Pixel Size: 1.0 µm
EIS: Yes
Autofocus: Fixed Focus
Aperture: f/2.0
Video
1080P resolution video at 30 fps
720P resolution video at 30 fps
Time-Lapse
Features
Portrait, HDR, Screen Flash, Smile Capture, Face Beauty②
Multimedia
Audio Supported Formats
Playback: MP3, AAC, AAC+, WMA, AMR-NB, AMR-WB, WAV, FLAC, APE, OGG, MID, M4A, IMY
Video Supported Formats
Playback: MKV, MOV, MP4, H.265(HEVC), AVI, WMV, TS, 3GP, FLV, WEBM
Recording: MP4
Image Supported Formats
Playback: JPEG, PNG, BMP, GIF
Output: JPEG
Smartisan Nut R1
Capacity and memory
LPDDR4X dual channel
UFS 2.1
6 + 64 version
6GB of memory
64GB body storage
6 + 128 version
6GB of memory
128GB body storage
8 + 128 version
8GB of memory
128GB body storage
8 + 512 version
8GB of memory
512GB body storage
8 + 1T version
8GB of memory
1TB body storage
Body size and weight
Height = 153.3mm
Width = 74.5mm
Thickness = 7.9mm
Weight = 170g
Processor platform
Qualcomm® SnapdragonTM 845 processor
10nm advanced process
Single core frequency up to 2.8GHz
AdrenoTM 630 graphics processor with clock speed up to 700MHz
Equipped with artificial intelligence engine (AI Engine)
Cellular network
Dual card dual standby full Netcom
All Netcom supports China Mobile, China Unicom and China Telecom
Support VoLTE high quality broadband calls
Support for three-carrier aggregation
Support for LTE B41 4x4 MIMO
Network standard Support band
4G FDD-LTE B1 / B2 / B3 / B4 / B5 / B7 / B8 / B12 / B17 / B18 / B19 / B20 / B25 / B26 / B28
TD-LTE B34 / B38 / B39 / B40 / B41 (Note: B41 supports 2535MHz-2655MHz band)
3G WCDMA B1 / B2 / B3 / B4 / B5 / B6 / B8 / B9 / B19
TD-SCDMA B34 / B39
CDMA BC0 / BC1 / BC6
2G GSM B2 / B3 / B5 / B8
CDMA 1X BC0 / BC1 / BC6
Dual card support and full Netcom
Dual Nano-SIM card slot, any card slot can be set as the main card
Dual card is not limited to operators, can be 4G in the network
Support mobile, China Unicom, Telecom 4G+/4G/3G/2G
Support dual-card dual standby VoLTE, support China Mobile, China Telecom VoLTE HD voice service
Support China Telecom dual card VoLTE standby
Note: The VoLTE service needs to be activated at the same time as the primary and secondary cards. If the secondary card is not activated, there will be no service, and the primary card will not be affected.
SIM card installation instructions:
Nut R1 mobile phone uses Nano-SIM card
Insert the card pin to eject the card slot
Two Nano-SIM cards can be placed
The Nano-SIM card obtained with the card cutter may cause a bad communication signal, and the resulting problem is not covered by Hammer Technology's warranty.
Wireless and network
802.11 a/b/g/n/ac wireless network supporting 2.4 + 5GHz band
Support for WLAN 2x2 MIMO
Support WiFi Direct and WiFi Display
Bluetooth 5.0
GPS / Assisted GPS, GLONASS, Beidou Positioning System
Support wireless network positioning and cellular network positioning
NFC+eSE, support for card reading, card writing, card emulation and P2P mode
Battery and fast charge
Typical value 3600mAh
Support QuickCharge 4+ 18W fast charging
Support PD3.0 charging protocol
Support fast wireless charging, peak output power up to 10W
screen
6.17-inch In-Cell Full HD display
2242 x 1080 resolution, 403 ppi
Corning® 3rd Generation Gorilla® Glass
1500:1 contrast ratio (typical)
96% NTSC color gamut (typical)
Full coverage Display P3 wide color gamut
Support sunlight screen, clearer viewing under strong light
Support eye protection mode, reduce screen blue light
Support for adjusting screen color temperature
Support pressure sensing touch
Unlock and fingerprint
Fingerprint unlock
Rear capacitive fingerprint reader
Response speed of 0.17s
Up to 10 fingerprints can be entered
Support WeChat and Alipay fingerprint payment
Face unlock
Front camera face recognition
1024 feature dimensions can be detected
Face++ contempt face recognition algorithm
Rear camera
12 million pixels + 20 megapixel dual camera
Double high index flash
ArcSoft real-time background blurring algorithm
Almalence super resolution algorithm
TDK Invensense Video Image Stabilization Algorithm
HDR high dynamic range adjustment technology
Main camera
Sony IMX363 sensor
12 million pixels
1.4 μm large pixel size
ƒ/1.8 large aperture
6-piece lens
Support 4-axis optical image stabilization
Support Dual PD speed focusing
Secondary camera
Sony IMX350 sensor
20 million pixels
1 μm pixel size
ƒ/1.75 large aperture
6-piece lens
Front camera
24 million pixel four-in-one front camera
ƒ/2.0 aperture
ArcSoft background blur algorithm
AI real-time beauty algorithm
Video shooting
Front camera: 1080p FHD video camera, 30 frames per second
Main camera: 4K (resolution 3840 × 2160) video camera, 30 frames per second
1080p FHD slow motion video camera, 120 frames per second
Audio Player
AI intelligent noise reduction chip
Stereo surround sound release system
Types of Support audio file format Support audio decoding format
audio format MP3, AAC, AMR, DTS AAC/AAC+/eAAC+, MP3, NB-AMR, WB-AMR, DTS
Lossless format AIFF, ALAC(Apple Lossless), FLAC, APE, WAV, DFF, DSF ————
Video playback
Encoding Support audio encoding format Support video file format Details
HEVC (H.265) AAC-LC .mp4, .mkv, .webm, .ts, .3gp Support 1080P, 240 fps
up to 4K (4096X2160) resolution 60 fps
Main Profile 8 bit up to level 6
Main Profile 10 bit up to level 6
H.264 .mp4, .mkv, .webm, .ts, .3gp, .mov Support 1080P, 240fps
up to 4K (4096X2160) resolution
60fps up to Level 5.2 encoding
H.263 .mp4, .avi, .3gp, .mov Up to Profile 0, Level 70
MPEG-2 .avi, .mkv, .webm, .ts Up to 1080P, 30fps, Main Profile encoding
MPEG-4 .mp4, .mkv, .webm, .avi, .3gp, .mov Up Simple Profile Level 6 encoding
up to Advanced Profile Level 5 coding
VP8 AAC-LC, Vorbis .webm Support 1080P 120fps
up to 4K (4096X2160) resolution 30fps
Profile 0 (Main), Version 0-3
VP9 .webm Support 1080P 240fps
up to 4K (4096X2160) resolution 60fps
Profile 0 8-bit
up to level 5.1 Profile 2 10-bit
up to level 5.1
Xvid .avi, .mkv Advanced simple profile up to level 5
Sensors and algorithms
Gyro
Gravity sensor
Geomagnetic sensor
Ambient light sensor
Hall sensor
Ultrasonic proximity sensing algorithm
AI audio noise reduction algorithm
Touch and feedback
Support pressure sensitive touch technology
Linear vibration motor
Support 72 scenes, 21 vibration effects
operating system
Smartisan OS based on AndroidTM deep customization
Supported languages: Chinese Simplified, Chinese Traditional, English, Japanese, Korean
Review to Continue on next post :good:
Review
Design
Looking at both phones, they're strikingly different, each with their pluses and minuses. Both are "notch" phones which absolutely does not bother me. I know some people have like nightmares about phone notches sneaking into their house at night and murdering their families... I do "not-ch". Hahahaha. Anyway, the OP6 goes with the curved rounded edges whereas the Nut R1, that's right "Nut" R1, goes with the candy bar straight rectangle look akin to Sony Xperia many iterations. Neither are revolutionary by any means, its just preference. The OP6 is definitely heavier by stats but feels more so in hand then the Nut R1. The OP6 is slightly larger too. Both not too large where its a must to use 2 hands all the time, but for my comfort, the Nut R1 feels better. Nut R1 goes with individual buttons for power, volume, etc. The OP6 has the rocker button for sound and the very impressive programmable slider button. The Nut R1 does have a special button on its left hand side but at least for me now (until maybe I figure a few things out) I can't change it to be used for something useful yet, so really it's a space waster. OP6 notch is larger as well. NOTCH!!!!!!!!!
UPDATE 07/14 - Figured out the special button on the Nut R1! Boy was I wrong! This button along with some other button press combinations allows you quick access to 2 features that are only found on the Nut R1. The first is call "Idea Pills." Essentially, throughout your normal day, if you have to jot something down or need to make not of something, pressing and holding the button allows you to make a voice note. It then transcribes that note which then can be used in the note app, the calendar app or any host of other apps. You can make voice recordings all day then simply with a right to left swipe of the screen on the right hand edge, you can see all your notes and reminders. It's pretty cool. Of course, other button combos with this special button do other functions: with power button is screen shot, with up volume can turn on the phones flashlight and then with volume down + special button gives you direct access to a very slick and cool feature called "one step." One Step is a cut- paste drag & drop feature that lets you fairly seamlessly send messages, access your favorite apps & contacts, etc. while linking them to your pictures, notes, etc. There's a pre-loaded video that is in Chinese of course but you can idea by what the person is doing in the video. Awesome!
Verdict: Dead Heat - I favor the design of the Nut R1 slightly more however it having a Bixby button that right now I can't program sucks. OP6's slider button is awesome! Hard to pick a winner....
UPDATED Verdict: Nut R1 - Knowing the idea pills and one step feature now makes this phone a productivity champ with the special button... Bixby Button it is not!
Display
From the stats, both phones have similar resolutions. The OP6 of course has AMOLED FHD+ as opposed to the Nut R1's FHD+ IPS LCD. OP6 display is slightly larger (thus the slightly better pixel count). This is definitely one of the most subjective portions of the review. For me, even though the OP6 had the AMOLED Display and AMOLED is just better and we're supposed to just accept that. The Nut R1 out of box with no tweaking (like putting into different mode or putting sRBG on) looks truer. Whites look white and blacks look black. OP6 has a larger chin especially if you opted to lose the the virtual buttons on the Nut R1 for gestures. Both have a hide notch mode for the upper portion of the screen however the notch for the Nut R1 is significantly smaller. Both handle the notch differently for alerts. The Nut R1 acts as if it is one complete screen across the top opting to show the alerts with a void where the notch is as opposed to treating the before and after notch screen portions as 2 completely separate spaces like the OP6. I'm not 100% sure of which way I prefer but there's definitely a difference. The Nut R1 seems brighter in the sun although there's no lumen stats to compare which one should be brighter. The one failure that the Smartisan R1 does have is that the polarizer over the display was applied in the wrong direction or maybe is not there at all... what does that mean? Well, if you put on a pair of polarized sunglasses, guess what, black screen unless you angle the phone in an awkward position to see. I have reached out to Smartisan on this and awaiting their reply. Plan on trying a tempered glass screen protector to see if that helps.
UPDATE 07/14 - Tried tempered glass screen protector and it fixed the polarization issue! Even though I can never put one of these on without some dust or something getting caught under the screen. Ordering a few more so I can hopefully put one on cleanly. Talking to Smartisan, they're gonna send me some protectors too, just have to pay for shipping (as soon as they figure out how I can do that)! Still gonna say that the OP6 is the better display, however with a cleanly placed screen protector on it it makes it super hard not to change the verdict!
Verdict: OnePlus 6 - The Polarizer issue is a non-started for me as all my sunglasses are polarized. It's slightly better that I have Android Auto so I don't necessarily have to deal with it too much in the car. However, during an outside concert or festival, etc. so annoying to have to lift off my sunglasses just to use the phone. Stay tuned, this may change if there's a simple workaround. Otherwise, for inside use not having to deal with sunglasses, my preference is the Nut R1.
Camera
As I always try to state before diving face first into the shallow pool of phone cameras, I am not a fan of phone cameras as opposed to actual cameras. I went to school for photography so it is quite hard for me to say " this phone take better pictures than this phone..." Both / All, IMO, are grainy noisy messes compared to their actual camera counterparts. With that said, this is another area where I feel both phones are fairly equal. OP6 uses a 16M + 20M f/1.7f dual rear camera setup. The Nut R1 uses a slightly less spec'd 12M + 20M f/1.8 & f/1.75 setup. The Nut R1 however crushes the OP6 with its 24M f/2.0 front camera as opposed to OP6's 16M f/2.0 front camera. What's this all mean? Nothing.. We're talking about some small differences here with the rear camera setups. Spec-wise the OP6 is better, but a lot also goes into what software is processing the pictures for you. I will post some test shots in a later post. As far as the camera software themselves, both are fairly decent with their share of annoyances and/or postives. The Nut R1 requires you to rifle through the different modes to get to the setup menu, minor annoyance. The OP 6 software feels more basic though whereas the Nut R1 looks more professional. I am not going to make a judgement. I'll just post samples of each and let you tell me. For video, OP6 does let you shoot at 60fps for 4K. The built-in software for the Nut R1 only allows 30fps at 4K. Not a huge deal, I am sure the Nut R1 has the 60fps capability which may work with other camera softwares, it just not there out of the box. I don't necessarily do that mush video recording where the 4K difference is going to hurt me, but that's me... again your decision. I will update this section a little more after the the test shots as I dig deeper which both cameras.
Verdict: Is Still Out! - I'll let you look at test shots. I'll update and then maybe decide on which is better IMO.
Software / Essentials
This always the hardest section to write about as I could fill a book looking at both phones take on Android Oreo. Here's the thing, I'm gonna touch on what I feel gives a person interested in the 2 phones a good understanding and leave the details to anyone that wants to comment later. :silly: As most are aware OP6 runs OxygenOS, pretty vanilla take on Android Oreo without very major differences from what runs on the Pixels... It's definitely one of the better OS takes on Android out there. Styled nicely with great customization and unlocking capability for our developer community. Stable, nice however maybe a little boring. SmartisanOS on the Nut R1 is your quintessential chinese born ROM OS. High customization so much so that it can make your head spin. Strict focus on battery saving and notification light experience means you definitely have to do some tweaking to get things the way you like it.
What's the same between the two?
1. Both are fast. No lag to speak of. This ain't touchlagwiz
2. Both allow for 3rd party launchers fairly easily. Sometimes this is not so easy with china born phones but not in this case
3. As far as I can see, good support on updates... Got 2 so far from Smartisan, one as soon as I setup the phone and the other yesterday, fairly quick considering I only had it about 5 days. OP6 has had 2 updates. OnePlus has been notorious for supporting updates frequently when a new product launches but then dropping support for older models. They have vowed to change that but so far so good.
4. Both have Face Unlock & Fingerprint Unlock as well. I believe that OnePlus would contend that their Face Unlock is more secure and it probably is. The fingerprint scanner of the Nut R1 is huge making it very easy for scanning placement whereas the OP6 is a little undersized. Nut R1 used their branding as a functional part of the phone... quite clever!
What's Different?
1. SmartisanOS out of the box does not come with google services or play store, it is however very easy to install and get your favorite play store google apps cooking.
2. Google Pay does not work. This is standard for China Born ROMs and won't change until such time that Google Pay is allowed in China. I have a Gear S3 watch that I just setup Samsung Pay on as my workaround.
3. Notification Shade toggles off between either toggle buttons like your bluetooth, data, airplane mode, etc. or notifications shade... no stack like most are used to... not a big deal, but some might be bothered
4. No Notifications on the lock screen or at least I haven't figured out how yet. With face unlock being so fast, I never hardly see the lockscreen anyway.
5. Notifications in shade won't let you expand them in the shade.
6. Shade color and theme not changeable and it is white on Nut R1
7. Cannot change default messaging app on Nut R1. The default app is fairly nice and you can always install Android Messaging. Android messages does work just not as default
8. The Nut R1 (and actually any Smartisan phone) are not water resistant or water-proof. This was confirmed by Smartisan's Customer Service. Doesn't really bother me since I don't even try to get "waterproof" phones wet. $500 plus experiment whether your phone is waterproof or not, no thank you. At any rate, don't go jumping in a pool with the Nut R1 in your pocket! :crying:
Items Left to be Explored on the Nut R1
1. Smartisan says they support openSSL and that they have no issues with bootloader unlock. They said details are in the openSSL forum. Just don't know where that is... might be on their forum site which is immense.
2. Looks like Google Camera works and works well with this phone. Haven't tried myself yet but Smartisan Forums say you can just use the original apk download for google camera
3. Full battery life, connection strength and a host of other functionality items
VoLTE appears to work for me on TMobile, not wifi-calling though. Maybe it is wifi calling when on VoLTE and connected to wifi but it does not give indicator as such.
Of course, the big missing item from the OP6 is wireless charging. Nut R1 does have qi charging capability although the coil placement is slightly weird.
Geez, is that a lot... there is so much more but rather not keep on going. Please ask if you have questions!
Verdict: Nut R1 - You had me at Qi... why oh why did OP6 did you not include wireless charging on a glass backed phone. Although some may say bloat, there's cool stuff built into the Nut R1... plus whats looks to be the ability to unlock means let flashing begin! (Even though I'm not going to figure out how to do that anytime soon)
Cost & Value
Understandably nowadays, a new phone comes out every month worth looking at. Apple manages to keep their values up because you only get 1 refresh per year without any other competition. Benefit of controlling the hardware and software in a closed system. Android on the other hand has 100's upon 100's manufacturers. From that, you basically have the newest phone with the latest gadgets. More RAM, more drive space, etc. In recent years, the rise of Chinese manufacturers has even added to the dilemma of phone value to the money paid out. Xiaomi, Smartisan, OnePlus, ZTE & Huawei just to name a few are offering quality phones at better prices making it hard to justify a $800+ flagship phone. Samsung can no longer keep trying to command iPhone prices for their phones and expect success. Even the mighty iPhone is starting to feel the pinch of the growing China manufacturing phone market. Apple made money off of the iPhone X, their first $1000+ phone, but not as successful as previous versions even with some new innovation. With that said, both the OP6 and Nut R1 are a decent investment for the hardware you're given at the price point under $700. Both Snapdragon 845, both dual camera, quick charge, etc. makes them compete at the level of LG and Samsung without having to look to lease from your carrier. Ultimately, this gives you freedom from your carrier to be truly contract free. The resell value of the Nut R1 is a little more dicey than OP6 given OP6's name recognition and availability here in the United States. Could I go on swappa and sell the Nut R1, maybe...? I know I can sell the OP6, but probably at a 20% loss. Neither phone is a no-brainer for resell so investing in either will need to be an investment to get away from being under your service providers thumb more than anything. Is that enough even at these prices points to justify in getting either one of these phones? That's definitely a question to consider... especially when the Android phone with max stats, new bell or whistle and the hype train is just a month away...
Verdict: Nut R1 - Ultimately it's cheaper... even when you take into consideration no water resistance value. Nut R1 does have Qi which is absent from OP6. If water resistance is the straw breaking the camels back, then of course OP6 is better. Not as many accessories for the Nut R1, which might be a blessing more than a curse. No proprietary fast charging meaning you have to get a special charger like OP6 (for the car in particular).
Ease of Everyday Use
This section is a little weird for most people so let me explain. We have all have interactions with technology on a daily basis. From the alarm that wakes you up in the morning, to the coffee maker that makes you coffee to even the toothbrush to brush your teeth with, there's hardly a space in modern life where technology isn't already taken a foot-hold. Sometimes the technology can be obtuse, hard to use, hard to understand and even harder to save you time. Others we just have to live with... like modern cars, with 133 years since deployed, they are conceptually the same... in other words, they still ride on the ground. Yes,we have self-driving cars, cars that run on hydrogen, etc. etc. but no flying cars? No cars that could hover? Much like the phone market, technology is starting to hit a wall where stats of operating speed, RAM and other such items which use to be the tantamount reason to buy a phone no longer matter. It's the bells & whistles making the ad campaigns. These whistles and bells ultimately are being added to make daily use easier and more productive besides providing a higher quality product (like phone cameras for instance). OP6 does this in one of the simplest way (complex is not always better), the slider button. The ability to move from silent to vibrate to sound on is such a great experience with the phone. Even though you can program the button to do whatever you want, the default setting maybe all you need. The beauty of the OP6 light interpretation of vanilla Android helps to give the phone a great user experience. Much like Apple (and don't throw any at me), the OP6 works great, the way it's intended to right from the packaging. Although the ability to tweak, bootloader unlocking and flash ROMing are present. It is hard to justify taking the time to do so with such a well-rounded phone already. The Nut R1 on the other hand is slightly harder to crack, pun intended. Because of its Far East roots, it provides extreme customization from day 1. Do most people want to spend 2 days to fully setup their phone? Probably not. However, the Nut R1 gains some distinct advantages with for daily use from this. From my experience, battery life is better on the R1 than the OP6 since it has a slightly smaller screen and a slightly larger battery. More so, the extreme customization helps the software do a better job at battery monitoring and apps in memory running leading to better battery life as well. Then there's one step and idea pills to through in the mix again. These 2 software "enhancements", bells and whistles, whatever... saves time and adds productivity into the phone. It's not without one caveat. You need to figure these features out on your own (unless you know Mandarin). OP6's water resistance helps out too... if and when you might be presented with the problem of having your phone out in rain. Both phones show that they can get the job done daily.
Verdict: Dead Heat - If only the OP6 had Qi or the Nut R1 was water resistant, my job of deciding would be easy. :good: Unfortunately, it isn't that way...
Overall & Summary
Verdict: Smartisan Nut R1 or maybe not... :silly:
In all honesty, it is hard for me to decide a clear winner here. I have both phones and I'm still not sure which one I'm gonna put up on swappa and get rid of. This tells me I like something about each that ultimately makes me not want to get rid of either. Usually when I do these reviews, there's a clear cut winner. For this one, I can truly say either one is a home run based on the specific use case you need. Want something to develop a ROM, bootloader unlock, go with the OP6. Need something to be productive daily with while you're on-the-go and not sacrifice any performance at a very reasonable price, then the Nut R1 should efintely be considered. Finally, need a phone with 1TB of storage... guess what, the Nut R1 is your phone. I really haven't talk to much on the fact that you can get the Nut R1 with the unbelievable amount of UFS 2.1 storage of 1TB. I did not get it in that option (wish I could have got the 512GB if I could have found it reasonably priced) as I don't need that much space plus the $1000+ price tag is just slightly to much for me . You on the other hand might be a photo taking, song downloading junkaholic with no problem throwing a $1000 down then 1TB is right in your ball park. Most articles hype the Smartisan Nut R1 for the 1TB and miss the truly great phone underneath. Same can be said about the OP6 in another way. Articles typically about the newest "flagship killer" OnePlus has to offer look at why it's not a "killer" because its missing this or that or whatever feature... Yes, I did the same for Qi charging... so I'm to blame too. I just feel this year more than ever with the OP6 design change to a glass backed phone is just inconceivable not to have Qi. However, I have found a way around that also to find another awesome phone. Really, the winner here is all of us. Smartisan and OnePlus prove that you can make a quality product with top specs at prices most can afford. Samsung should be scared... Once again, this is just some guys opinion.
Some Quick Samples From Nut R1
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BOKEH FEATURE
in the little time with the R1 i can say i prefer the HDR being off for most picture situations , and looking over pictures i took with my OP6 i had i think the R1 has a very (very very ) slight advantage. especially in Bokeh shots.
Excellent Review as well!
MixEvo said:
in the little time with the R1 i can say i prefer the HDR being off for most picture situations , and looking over pictures i took with my OP6 i had i think the R1 has a very (very very ) slight advantage. especially in Bokeh shots.
Excellent Review as well!
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Thanks! I believe for bokeh this is also correct from my shots so far. Can’t say about HDR. Gonna try google camera as I understand it has good compatibility
Very comprehensive review and lovely kid. Good job, OP.
jerryhou85 said:
Very comprehensive review and lovely kid. Good job, OP.
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Thanks appreciate it!
Very good review, one of the more detailed ones i've seen, but you missed a tiny detail about the R1.
It's the first phone to ever have Dirac Panorama Sound and also it has 3 speakers (according to FoneArena).
And that TNT Worstation is also a bonus.
Myrmeko said:
Very good review, one of the more detailed ones i've seen, but you missed a tiny detail about the R1.
It's the first phone to ever have Dirac Panorama Sound and also it has 3 speakers (according to FoneArena).
And that TNT Worstation is also a bonus.
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Yeah I used to do a sound section but mine used revolve around whether the Bluetooth played fine with my car. Since upgrading to a head unit with android auto, I just worry about the compatibility with that system. Btw it works great with android auto. A lot of Huawei and even the pixel 2 xl have sucky compatibility with android auto. Since xda did an article on the Dirac, I kinda of left that out too. As far as the TNT, I knew about the feature but personally don’t have one to see how cool or not cool it is to comment. Thanks for reading. I think if others got a chance to see this phone in action they would buy it in a heartbeat. Smartisan said they support bootloader unlock too but said something about open source. I really didn’t find anymore then that. The translations of posts on their forum site can sometimes be hard to get the full meaning of the conversation. Thanks again!
Yeah, i forgot about XDA's article.
Anyway, i'm personally gonna wait a bit before buying a new phone. This seems like the best choice so far (especially the 1TB version), but i wanna see how stuff goes around here. If there would be custom kernels, xposed modules, custom ROMs, etc.
Thank you for the review and after read this i'm going to buy this phone, but i just worry about vietnamese display problem on chinese phone, some vietnamese text maybe not display right way, can you go to web address GENK.VN (sorry i can't post link) and take a screenshot about how this phone display vietnamese? thank so much
Pinokm412 said:
Thank you for the review and after read this i'm going to buy this phone, but i just worry about vietnamese display problem on chinese phone, some vietnamese text maybe not display right way, can you go to web address GENK.VN (sorry i can't post link) and take a screenshot about how this phone display vietnamese? thank so much
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If only I hadn't boxed it up over the weekend... Sold it to someone so that I can move in to my next phone to review... sorry. Try smartisan on facebook messenger. They are quick to respond. :highfive:
mahst68 said:
If only I hadn't boxed it up over the weekend... Sold it to someone so that I can move in to my next phone to review... sorry. Try smartisan on facebook messenger. They are quick to respond. :highfive:
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Can you link me to the correct Facebook page? Would love to ask about boot loader and treble support.
DQEight said:
Can you link me to the correct Facebook page? Would love to ask about boot loader and treble support.
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Start a conversation in Messenger: m.me/145041519488759
This thread will serve as a comprehensive overview about the technical data of the P7 Pro. I will take the data from sifting through various tech sites and will update this post if there are changes. Google only offers a fraction of these info, hence the need for a proper chart.
SpecificationsPixel 7 ProBuild
100% recycled aluminum frame
IP68 dust/water resitant (1.5m for 30 mins)
Corning Gorilla Glass Victus (front, back)
Nano-SIM and eSIM
Dimensions &
Weight
162.9 x 76.6 x 8.9mm
212g
Display
6.7-inch, 110.6cm² QHD+ LTPO pOLED (~88.7% screen-to-body ratio)
1440 x 3120 pixels, 19.5:9 ratio (~ 512 ppi density)
120Hz refresh rate
Always-on display
Variable refresh rate support (10-120Hz)
1000 nits (HBM), 1500 nits (peak)
HDR10+
ModemSamsung Exynos Modem 5300g (unannounced, confirmed through data mining and from a Google Rep Tier 2 today, special revision G confirmed by user in a store with a p7 pro unit)SoC
Google Tensor G2
2x ARM Cortex-X1 @2.85Ghz
2x ARM Cortex-A78 @2.35GHz
4x ARM Cortex-A55 @1.8GHz
ARM Mali G710 MP07 GPU
Next-gen Google custom TPU
RAM & Storage
12GB LPDDR5 RAM Micron
128/256GB/512GB UFS 3.1 storage
- 128 GB part number: HN8T05DEHKX073 (SK Hynix), SR 2050 MB/s, SW 1300MB/s, 3D NAND TLC
- 256 GB part number: THGJFGT1E45BAIP (Kioxia), SR 2100-2300 MB/s, SW 1.700 MB/s, 3D NAND TLC
- 512 GB part number: Unknown as of yet
Battery & Charging
5,000mAh battery
Wired fast charging (up to 50% in about 30 minutes with Google’s 30W USB-C brick, max sustained charge speed will be 23w)
Fast wireless charging support (Qi-certified)
Up to 72 hours of battery life with Extreme Battery Saver
Security
In-display fingerprint scanner (new hardware version as per the teardown leaked on 07/10/22, potentially better than P6/p6a)
Face Unlock (Class 1 Biometric, only for unlocking the phone, not usable for in-app biometrics or purchases)
Titan M2 chip
Rear Camera(s)
Primary: Samsung Isocell GN1 50 MP f/1.9, 25mm (wide), 1/1.31", 1.2µm, multi-directional PDAF, Laser AF, OIS
Ultra-wide: Sony IMX381 (unconfirmed as of yet) 12MP f/2.2, 1/2.9", 1.25µm, 125.8-degree FoV, autofocus, macro
Telephoto: Samsung Isocell GM5 (unconfirmed) 48MP f/3.5, multi-directional phase-detection autofocus, FHD 120fps (technical, not sure if Google unlocked this), 120mm (telephoto), 1/2.55", 0.7µm, 5x optical zoom, Super Res Zoom up to 30x, OIS
LDAF
Video:
4K 60FPS video capture support on all cameras
[email protected]/60/120/240fps
gyro-EIS
OIS
10-bit HDR video capture support
Front Camera(s)
10.8MP f/2.2, 21mm (ultrawide), 1/3.1", 1.22µm
Larger sensor for better night-time photos
4K60p recording (technical, maybe Google will only unlock 4k30)
Port(s)USB Type-C 3.2 Gen 2, 10Gbps
no 3.5mm jackAudioStereo SpeakersConnectivity
5G (mmWave support on select models)
4G LTE
Bluetooth 5.2, A2DP, LE, aptX HD
Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6e, tri-band, Wi-Fi Direct, hotspot
NFC
GPS dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, GALILEO, QZSS, BDS
Software
Android 13
3 years of OS updates
Minimum 5 years of security updates
Other Features
Google One VPN (no Google One sub needed)
Software features:
Photo Unblur
Faster Night Sight
Real Tone improvements
Cinematic Blur
Audio message transcription
Clear calling
Speech enhancement (background noise from people you call will be reduced, from their end)
Cough and snore detection
So in display fingerprint for in app authentication... Ugh that sucks
rester555 said:
So in display fingerprint for in app authentication... Ugh that sucks
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This whole community feedback on Faceunlock sparks a curious eyebrow raising.
When the P4 XL came out, there were thousands of people that screamed for a Fingerprint unlock. They didn't like Faceunlock. They felt Soli was pure gimmick. They didn't like the P4 XL. When the P5 came out, those voices rose again, calling out the P4 XL for having "mega bezels and ****ty biometrics".
Back when I used my P4 XL, I loved faceunlock, except for two facts
a) Faceunlock was horrible to use when I had to wear masks in shops or other public places, due to Covic restrictions in 2020/2021 - any time I wanted to pay via phone or look something up, I had to write down my pin, which is a horrible security risk when you are surrounded by other people.
b) most apps did not support Faceunlock biometrics at all, even 1 1/2 years after launch, only a handful of apps supported the new biometric API. Meaning, for example, whenever I wanted to open my banking app, I had to write down all the details by hand. That was terrible. And since it was the fault of the developers, and Google didn't force them to comply, there were little ways as a user to mitigate that problem.
Those voices soon died out, however. The ones that "upgraded" from a P4 XL noticed a) the p5 was a downgrade in specs and b) Faceunlock offers a good amount of practicality, IF done right. Now, the P4 XL with Soli was near perfect: You only had to get close with your hand to your phone, it detected you and when you picked it up, the unlock was instant. Friends of mine with IPhones saw that and were stunned and marveled about it ("you don't have to swipe to unlock your phone? You just have to pick it up, and it's fully automatic? Woa, that's cool, my IPhone can't do that. It's annoying to always swipe to unlock, even after faceunlock").
I loved the experience of Soli powered Faceunlock. Soli was not a gimmick, Soli was the final piece in the puzzle that made Faceunlock a seamless experience. The hand waving thing was a gimmick, yes, but not the detection to unlock.
Now, in the recent year, I've read hundreds, if not thousands of people over at Reddit, on Twitter or here at XDA, wishing for faceunlock. Something that (back in the day) barely managed to create a sort of positive feedback.
People tend to take something for granted, until it is taken away.
And instead of a decent faceunlock, we now - sadly, because of the overwhelmingly bad feedback of the Community about faceunlock - have a weak, 2D version that will only be used for simple phone unlocking.
Google should have gone the Apple route, made a notch and then refined upon it, PLUS adding the FP scanner.
Well, let's see what the future holds.
Morgrain said:
This whole community feedback on Faceunlock thing is interesting.
Back when I used my P4 XL, I loved faceunlock, except for two facts
a) Faceunlock was horrible to use when I had to wear masks in shops or other public places, due to Covic restrictions in 2020/2021
b) most apps did not support Faceunlock biometrics at all, even 1 1/2 years after launch, only a handful of apps supported the new biometric API. Meaning, for example, whenever I wanted to open my banking app, I had to write down all the details by hand. That was terrible. And since it was the fault of the developers, and Google didn't force them to comply, there were little ways as a user to mitigate that problem.
Back when the P4 XL came out, there were thousands of people that screamed for a Fingerprint unlock. They didn't like Faceunlock. They felt Soli was pure gimmick. They didn't like the P4 XL. When the P5 came out, those voices rose again, calling out the P4 XL for having "mega bezels and ****ty biometrics".
Those voices soon died out, however. The ones that "upgraded" from a P4 XL noticed a) the p5 was a downgrade in specs and b) Faceunlock offers a good amount of practicality, IF done right. Now, the P4 XL with Soli was near perfect: You only had to get close with your hand to your phone, it detected you and when you picked it up, the unlock was instand. I loved it. Soli was not a gimmick, Soli was the final piece in the puzzle that made Faceunlock a seamless experience. The hand waving thing was a gimmick, yes, but not the detection to unlock.
Now, in the recent year, I've read hundreds, if not thousands of people over at Reddit, on Twitter or here at XDA, wishing for faceunlock. Something that (back in the day) barely managed to create a sort of positive feedback.
People tend to take something for granted, until it is taken away.
And instead of a decent faceunlock, we now - sadly - get a weak, 2D version that will only be used for simple phone unlocking.
Google should have gone the Apple route, made a notch and then refined upon it, PLUS adding the FP scanner.
Well, let's see what the future holds.
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Absolutely agreed. I remember all the articles that said it was a gimmick. I agree that the hand gestures were a joke.
Saying that, I loved my Pixel 4 XL with the soli sensor. I was able to use the face unlock through a module on magisk with all apps that used the fingerprint sensor. So I had the best of both worlds.
I too remember when COVID made it difficult, but think the face unlock was still amazing. I second putting a pill back on the front display with the soli sensor to get a proper face unlock.
Currently on the pixel 6 pro, I am using the face unlock module from Moto baked in. It doesn't allow for you to use the face unlock on in-app though. That sucks. Here's to hoping you can use that API through some form of magisj module on all apps including unlocking the screen.
On second thought, the Pixel 4 XL, IMHO, was the best pixel to me from a utility stand point.
According to someone that checked a display model the modem is the 5300g. This contrasts to the leaks from Android Police that it would be the 5300b or from Twitter that it would be the 5300f.
I'm trying to find out what process node the G2 is on but I can't find any solid information. There are no references anywhere and I've seen guesses with 5LPE, 5LPP, 4LPX, 4LPE, 4LPP which hasn't even entered volume yet, and shout out again to Android Police with the non-existent "4PLP" which they've misconstrued from the process of fan-out panel level packaging.
It's probably going to be on 4LPE, my bigger question is whether the modem is going to internal this time. They cut back on the size of the GPU, so they might have enough space to make the modem internal now. If they don't then it's probably another year of bad efficiency. Will have to wait for TechInsights to do a teardown.
Also the telephoto sensor should be the GM5 as it has 0.7 micrometer pixels, while the GM1 is 0.8 micrometer.
Yes, here's to hoping the modem is internal.
Namelesswonder said:
According to someone that checked a display model the modem is the 5300g. This contrasts to the leaks from Android Police that it would be the 5300b or from Twitter that it would be the 5300f.
I'm trying to find out what process node the G2 is on but I can't find any solid information. There are no references anywhere and I've seen guesses with 5LPE, 5LPP, 4LPX, 4LPE, 4LPP which hasn't even entered volume yet, and shout out again to Android Police with the non-existent "4PLP" which they've misconstrued from the process of fan-out panel level packaging.
It's probably going to be on 4LPE, my bigger question is whether the modem is going to internal this time. They cut back on the size of the GPU, so they might have enough space to make the modem internal now. If they don't then it's probably another year of bad efficiency. Will have to wait for TechInsights to do a teardown.
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Namelesswonder said:
Also the telephoto sensor should be the GM5 as it has 0.7 micrometer pixels, while the GM1 is 0.8 micrometer.
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Changed those values. Thanks for the infos!
Morgrain said:
This thread will serve as a comprehensive overview about the technical data of the P7 Pro. I will take the data from sifting through various tech sites and will update this post if there are changes. Google only offers a fraction of these info, hence the need for a proper chart.
SpecificationsPixel 7 ProBuild
100% recycled aluminum frame
IP68 dust/water resitant (1.5m for 30 mins)
Corning Gorilla Glass Victus (front, back)
Nano-SIM and eSIM
Dimensions &
Weight
162.9 x 76.6 x 8.9mm
212g
Display
6.7-inch, 110.6cm² QHD+ LTPO pOLED (~88.7% screen-to-body ratio)
1440 x 3120 pixels, 19.5:9 ratio (~ 512 ppi density)
120Hz refresh rate
Always-on display
Variable refresh rate support (10-120Hz)
1000 nits (HBM), 1500 nits (peak)
HDR10+
ModemSamsung Exynos Modem 5300g (unannounced, confirmed through data mining and from a Google Rep Tier 2 today, special revision G confirmed by user in a store with a p7 pro unit)SoC
Google Tensor G2
2x ARM Cortex-X1 @2.85Ghz
2x ARM Cortex-A78 @2.35GHz
4x ARM Cortex-A55 @1.8GHz
ARM Mali G710 MP07 GPU
Next-gen Google custom TPU
RAM & Storage
12GB LPDDR5 RAM
128/256GB/512GB UFS 3.1 storage
Battery & Charging
5,000mAh battery
Wired fast charging (up to 50% in about 30 minutes with Google’s 30W USB-C brick, max sustained charge speed will be 23w)
Fast wireless charging support (Qi-certified)
Up to 72 hours of battery life with Extreme Battery Saver
Security
In-display fingerprint scanner (new hardware version as per the teardown leaked on 07/10/22, potentially better than P6/p6a)
Face Unlock (Class 1 Biometric, only for unlocking the phone, not usable for in-app biometrics or purchases)
Titan M2 chip
Rear Camera(s)
Primary: Samsung Isocell GN1 50 MP f/1.9, 25mm (wide), 1/1.31", 1.2µm, multi-directional PDAF, Laser AF, OIS
Ultra-wide: Sony IMX381 (unconfirmed as of yet) 12MP f/2.2, 1/2.9", 1.25µm, 125.8-degree FoV, autofocus, macro
Telephoto: Samsung Isocell GM5 (unconfirmed) 48MP f/3.5, multi-directional phase-detection autofocus, FHD 120fps (technical, not sure if Google unlocked this), 120mm (telephoto), 1/2.55", 0.7µm, 5x optical zoom, Super Res Zoom up to 30x, OIS
LDAF
Video:
4K 60FPS video capture support on all cameras
[email protected]/60/120/240fps
gyro-EIS
OIS
10-bit HDR video capture support
Front Camera(s)
10.8MP f/2.2, 21mm (ultrawide), 1/3.1", 1.22µm
Larger sensor for better night-time photos
4K60p recording (technical, maybe Google will only unlock 4k30)
Port(s)USB Type-C 3.2 Gen 2
no 3.5mm jackAudioStereo SpeakersConnectivity
5G (mmWave support on select models)
4G LTE
Bluetooth 5.2, A2DP, LE, aptX HD
Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/6e, tri-band, Wi-Fi Direct, hotspot
NFC
GPS dual-band A-GPS, GLONASS, GALILEO, QZSS, BDS
Software
Android 13
3 years of OS updates
Minimum 5 years of security updates
Other Features
Google One VPN (no Google One sub needed)
Software features:
Photo Unblur
Faster Night Sight
Real Tone improvements
Cinematic Blur
Audio message transcription
Clear calling
Speech enhancement (background noise from people you call will be reduced, from their end)
Cough and snore detection
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"This thread will serve as a comprehensive overview about the technical data of the P7 Pro"
I'm game lets put together the info we all wish we had and do it right! hehehe
& the model numbers for replacement parts are what?
LOL Someone has completed a teardown but didn't list out all the "replacement parts list & locations guide" so users could repair what gets broken easily.....
Google should make this avalible...
wait we don't live in a world where this : https://www.onearmy.earth//project/phonebloks is reality manfest.
Morgrain said:
Telephoto: Samsung Isocell GM5 (unconfirmed) 48MP f/3.5, multi-directional phase-detection autofocus, FHD 120fps (technical, not sure if Google unlocked this), 120mm (telephoto), 1/2.55", 0.7µm, 5x optical zoom, Super Res Zoom up to 30x, OIS
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Do you have a source for the 120mm claim on the telephoto?
Thanks in advance!!!!
benleonheart said:
Do you have a source for the 120mm claim on the telephoto?
Thanks in advance!!!!
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Sure
Google Pixel 7 Pro - Full phone specifications
www.gsmarena.com
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Can anyone confirm what the DAC will be capable of? likely to manage lossless or will i need to go for an external DAC?
wilbur-force said:
Can anyone confirm what the DAC will be capable of? likely to manage lossless or will i need to go for an external DAC?
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You're going to have to get an external DAC because the only thing connected to the internal DAC are the speakers, there's no other way to get an analog audio signal out of the phone.
Why three years only update os
m3ath said:
Why three years only update os
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Not sure why, but should be more!
galaxys said:
Not sure why, but should be more!
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yes but Google has not yet announced that it will be 3 years, this number is not a source
m3ath said:
yes but Google has not yet announced that it will be 3 years, this number is not a source
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Yep, their support page which lists how long guaranteed Android version updates will be for doesn't list the Pixel 7 series yet. Haven't seen an official word elsewhere, but might have missed it.
The fine print in the Google Store say:
"Pixel security updates for at least 5 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store in the US. Updates may also include feature drops and other software updates. See g.co/pixel/updates for more information."
Having said that, I'm guessing it will still be 3 years of OS updates. If it were more I think they would have announced it during the Event to entice more people to buy it.
Namelesswonder said:
You're going to have to get an external DAC because the only thing connected to the internal DAC are the speakers, there's no other way to get an analog audio signal out of the phone.
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I thought most android phones had internal DACs for USB audio but that they normally didn't push high quality?
Namelesswonder said:
According to someone that checked a display model the modem is the 5300g. This contrasts to the leaks from Android Police that it would be the 5300b or from Twitter that it would be the 5300f.
I'm trying to find out what process node the G2 is on but I can't find any solid information. There are no references anywhere and I've seen guesses with 5LPE, 5LPP, 4LPX, 4LPE, 4LPP which hasn't even entered volume yet, and shout out again to Android Police with the non-existent "4PLP" which they've misconstrued from the process of fan-out panel level packaging.
It's probably going to be on 4LPE, my bigger question is whether the modem is going to internal this time. They cut back on the size of the GPU, so they might have enough space to make the modem internal now. If they don't then it's probably another year of bad efficiency. Will have to wait for TechInsights to do a teardown.
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For what it's worth, appears to be 4LPE as you surmised, that is if SamMobile is not a close sibling of Android Police
Google’s Tensor G2 chipset uses Samsung’s 4nm process, Exynos 5300 5G modem
The Pixel 7 and the Pixel 7 Pro, which were launched last week, use Samsung Foundry's 4nm fabrication process and ...
www.sammobile.com
EDIT: Of course, Android Authority says 5nm, quoting a Google spokesperson...
Google Tensor G2 is a 5nm chip, despite what the internet might say
Google has confirmed that the Tensor G2 processor powering the Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro is built on a 5-nanometer manufacturing process.
www.androidauthority.com