I did a small search but could not find anything.
Would it be possible for some smart developer to create new drivers/application for htc camera?
I mean iphone 4 has 5 megapixel camera just like htc hd2 however it can record 720p resolution videos. I will dear to say it quite good quality!!!
How come Leo can not do it? Is it possibly down to hardware as well?
720p video resolution is 1280x720 and 5mp stills are easilly 2x that?
so
1st: the 5 megapixel are for pictures only.
2nd: i think the Hardware of the HD2 is capable of 720p videos as it is the same camera as in the Desire/Nexus One...
3rd: as windows mobile doesnt support 720p video playback (i think so) i dont think that it could record it
if it is possible, then in android...
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I did a small search but could not find anything.
Would it be possible for some smart developer to create new drivers/application for htc camera?
I mean iphone 4 has 5 megapixel camera just like htc hd2 however it can record 720p resolution videos. I will dear to say it quite good quality!!!
How come Leo can not do it? Is it possibly down to hardware as well?
720p video resolution is 1280x720 and 5mp stills are easilly 2x that?
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He does sorta kinda have a good point
720p does not mean the quality is going to be better. it means that the resolution is going to be larger.
you can stretch a VHS video to 720p... but at the end of the day its still a VHS.
Its all down to the camera sensor. Thats why you can pick up a 12MP digi cam for £60 or a 10.1MP Canon 1DS Mk3 for £1700.
I know which one I would have...
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1st: the 5 megapixel are for pictures only.
2nd: i think the Hardware of the HD2 is capable of 720p videos as it is the same camera as in the Desire/Nexus One...
3rd: as windows mobile doesnt support 720p video playback (i think so) i dont think that it could record it
if it is possible, then in android...
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I know that about camera still shots being 5mp only. Windows not supporting 720p is partially correct. Windows media player does not want to play anything bigger then 800x640 while core player shouts at me at 1024x768 sp not short of 720p, it is obvious it's driver/codec/software issue only for playback. Did anyone try tcpmp for 720p playback?
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720p does not mean the quality is going to be better. it means that the resolution is going to be larger.
you can stretch a VHS video to 720p... but at the end of the day its still a VHS.
Its all down to the camera sensor. Thats why you can pick up a 12MP digi cam for £60 or a 10.1MP Canon 1DS Mk3 for £1700.
I know which one I would have...
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720p does mean quality will be better.
Resolution 640x480 is 307200 pixels per frame plus what ever colour depth so x16 for 16m and so on.
Resolution 1280x720 is 921600 pixels which is over twice as much data to be displayed on the same surface.
Single pixel size on 32" screen with 640 resolution will be much bigger and therefore have much less details then with 1280 resolution.
Twice as much data will have to equal better quality.
I know that camera sensor is very important, quite often more then MP value. However our sensor if good enough to catch twice the resolution of 720p and after all video is just a bunch of still images played one after another (a bit more in to that I know ).
On HTC HD2 there was a burst photo option. With registry edit you could tell it to make 20 pictures a second ad 1280x720p or something similar. Almost full frame late
With Android (today build) you can rec 800x480 video file
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With Android (today build) you can rec 800x480 video file
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is it real? how can i find this build?
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With Android (today build) you can rec 800x480 video file
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This would be true except there is no button on the HD2 to activate video recording (at least through the default android video recording facility. I'm assuming someone is working out how to remap one of the keys whilst in this program. It will happen though.
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This would be true except there is no button on the HD2 to activate video recording (at least through the default android video recording facility. I'm assuming someone is working out how to remap one of the keys whilst in this program. It will happen though.
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On the build I used, you simply press on the screen for 3 secs...
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On the build I used, you simply press on the screen for 3 secs...
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THATS ONLY FOR THE CAMERA DUDE LOL
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No it doesn't.
As he mentioned, you can stretch any video source to make it 720p or even 1080p or even go to 4k if you want.
It's up to the camera sensor to fill in the extra pixels to make it a high def image, if it can't then all you're doing is making 1 pixel use 2 pixels instead.
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No it doesn't.
As he mentioned, you can stretch any video source to make it 720p or even 1080p or even go to 4k if you want.
It's up to the camera sensor to fill in the extra pixels to make it a high def image, if it can't then all you're doing is making 1 pixel use 2 pixels instead.
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For one pixel to be used on two is upscaling. That is a software option and our camera for now does not have it. But even if camera would only do that to 10% of the extra spaces it has to fill the quality will be much better as that still means 10% extra data captured.
Pixel size in standard and 720p resolution is not the same. If the picture will be split it will also be compressed to fit smaller pixel keeping the same ammount of data mostly (this one we will not know until we try it) so when used on bigger screens there will be mroe detail there.
It is down to sensor to pickup everything at desired resolution and as long as we do not exceed 5mp still it does. What is the problem is speed that sensor processes the information, converts it to known format, sends it and stores it.
In other words how fast is the cpu that converts it, communication with cpu and memory, plus finally speed it can save it to card.
If you have an HD camcorder get it to record stock resolution, then get a class 1 sd card and get it to record 1080p. Compare the images.
At 1080p sensor will get all the pixels but will not be able to save them and it will be similar situation to what Leo camera will do. Without trying we will not know how much. Fact that Android can record at 800x480 should say it will be better as cam was instantly capable of that.
I am not working in video industry but I do a lot of editing and video processing from my, and my friends motorcycle cameras and other action cams. I know a thing or two about videos. Sometimes you do not need much improvement in camera to see a lot improvement in quality. It is all down to how much camera can save per frame.
HTC One S is a android device which is powered by Android 4.0 OS. On my experience HTC One S should be a good smartphone for everyone. Lets see why I'm saying this
1. It has 4.3-inch AMOLED Display and 960 x 540 (qHD) screen.
2. The camera configuration is so impressive for users. Let see why,
- 8 megapixel camera with auto focus, smart LED flash, and BSI sensor (for better low-light captures)
- F2.0 aperture and 28mm lens
- 1080p HD video recording
- VGA front camera (It's not perfect for smartphone users, whatever it's not a big problem)
- Dedicated imaging chip
- Capture a photo in the midst of recording HD video
- Continuous shooting mode captures multiple snapshots
- Auto flash smartly determined by distance from your subject
- Video stabilization feature removes annoying, shaky motion
- High quality slow motion video capture and playback
3. There are 5sensors total in HTC One S which add extra feedback to it
- Gyro sensor
- G-Sensor
- Digital compass
- Proximity sensor
- Ambient light sensor
4. The CPU of HTC One S is 1.5GHz~1.7GHz, dual core. Some people are looking for quad core, so for this CPU some people may not like this device.
5. The main important is battery life. It has only 1650 mAh Battery which is not perfect for a smartphone in 1GB Ram. That's why many people maybe dislike HTC One S.
After review the full device I can give 4.2 out of 5.
You also left out the fact that it comes in a 32 and 64GB flavor of internal storage. But please OP maybe you should confirm what phone you have and or reviewing. If some one told you what you have is an HTC ONE then your description and information says nothing about and HTC ONE.
No problem. Thought it was a troll posting at first. Glad you like your phone though.
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Well, I very love my One S because I prefer small flagship. I don't very like big screen I want one hand operation. The drawback on One S is qHD resolution really not that enough(but good for battery saving) and front camera resolution is bad.
However, the amoled quality and main camera is excellent. CPU and system is fast and smooth.
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Well, I very love my One S because I prefer small flagship. I don't very like big screen I want one hand operation. The drawback on One S is qHD resolution really not that enough(but good for battery saving) and front camera resolution is bad.
However, the amoled quality and main camera is excellent. CPU and system is fast and smooth.
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I totally agree, the One S is an excellent phone for an all-in-one usage.
I think the HTC ONE S is almost the perfect size for me. I wish the front camera was much better and I wish the display was an IPS with more resolution. The AMOLED burns way too much power for me.
The same phone with upgraded front camera and IPS display with more resolution would almost be the perfect phone.
The rest would be to allow the lock screen to run google now - like Siri does on the iPhone and this phone would be unbelievable.
CM11 runs smooth on this phone!
Well it's all known that the back camera of Nokia 8.1 is using Sony 363 sensor but what about the other like depth sensing and front camera there is no mention of the sensor vendors and their tech specs like sensor size ,as per the below link it is also found that Samsung sensors are being used in back cameras too with same specs but in which models it is not sure
https://www.devicespecifications.com/en/model/74cc4ccf
So request if XDA or someone can get into the technical specs of all the sensors with their respective vendors and sensors sizes and share the information
Thanks
I want to know too... It's 20MP, but the photo result is so bad...
Kinda missing my old Oppo N3, which I can tap to focus for front and back with the rotating camera.
What I think about the front camera is of 5MP which manipulates as 20MP. As if you use Gcam port for Nokia 8.1 it shows front camera as 5MP.
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What I think about the front camera is of 5MP which manipulates as 20MP. As if you use Gcam port for Nokia 8.1 it shows front camera as 5MP.
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Gcam takes 5Mpix photos with any 5+ Mpix camera. Photos taken with stock camera app are 20 Mpix, and once again, number of megapixels does not represent the quality of photo, just the size.
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But my old Oppo N3 has 16MP for both front and back cameras in gcam (kinda old version though).
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What I think about the front camera is of 5MP which manipulates as 20MP. As if you use Gcam port for Nokia 8.1 it shows front camera as 5MP.
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Well I am pretty much not interested in gcam junk ports,it's not officially meant to be used on other devices other pixel so it has no whatsoever value in my view on any device ,people can shout as much as they want,second the sensor does the binning from original Nokia cam app it does not and should not have any access to the algorithms used by Nokia.this topic is related to the sensor manafacturers as there is lot of misinformation or information floating around as always of Nokia cameras and requested the XDA team to get into the crux of it ,anyway I am sure the front camera module uses 1/3.1 Samsung sensor and the depth one too on the rear the main 12mp is imx363 as confirmed by Nokia care on the email
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Gcam takes 5Mpix photos with any 5+ Mpix camera. Photos taken with stock camera app are 20 Mpix, and once again, number of megapixels does not represent the quality of photo, just the size.
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It's not the GCam limitations but the sensor and camera app of Nokia 8.1. You can install a hardware info app from play store and it will tell the Nokia 8.1 front cam as 5MP. And in true sense it is a 5MP sensor which uses pixel bining to produce 20MP images. But the picture quality is not up to the mark even after pixel bining.
I installed hw info app,it shows 20.1mp sensor.
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It's not the GCam limitations but the sensor and camera app of Nokia 8.1. You can install a hardware info app from play store and it will tell the Nokia 8.1 front cam as 5MP. And in true sense it is a 5MP sensor which uses pixel bining to produce 20MP images. But the picture quality is not up to the mark even after pixel bining.
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Nope, going from 5mp to 20mp would be a upscaling using something like bilinear interpolation.
Pixel binning is combining pixels to produce a lower resolution but with an increased low light performance, in the case of the Nokia 8.1 it is combining 4 pixels hence the reduction to 5mp from 20.
Gcam is not designed for the anything other than Google products, it doesn't have a clue what is it supposed to be doing on the Nokia 8.1, it just doesn't contain the software necessary to use the front sensor correctly.
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Nope, going from 5mp to 20mp would be a upscaling using something like bilinear interpolation.
Pixel binning is combining pixels to produce a lower resolution but with an increased low light performance, in the case of the Nokia 8.1 it is combining 4 pixels hence the reduction to 5mp from 20.
Gcam is not designed for the anything other than Google products, it doesn't have a clue what is it supposed to be doing on the Nokia 8.1, it just doesn't contain the software necessary to use the front sensor correctly.
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Thanks mate for a conclusive reply. I do agree with you that it may be the interpolation in Nokia 8.1 front camera. As I am no longer using Nokia 8.1 so I can't comment on it any further.
Gcam by itself doesn't limit the supported resolutions to tight values. It's the camera stack implementation of most qcom and non-qcom phones that exposes only the binned raw camera streams from quad bayer sensor.
You can see it here:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.camera2.test
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy A70 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Compared to the camera of the 3 years old S8+ (my wife's mobile), I find the camera of the A70 very very weak.
takes good pictures in bright light, however, once your light levels get lower the quality is bad (very grainy)
Is there any app one can suggest to use the sensor better? i find the camera modes not using the sensor to full capacity
i found that ALL the apps i tried see the sensor as 8 Mpix only
All the photo apps I have found show the main camera to be 8 mpix, this is due to Samsung using pixel binning which combines 4 pixels into 1 large pixel to try and improve low light pictures. So 32 divided by 4 gives 8 mpix images and all the apps including the gcam apk only see 8 mpix. Even raw mode apps such as light room show 8 mpix and produce around 15 mpix raw images. I have just seen a youtube review of the new xiaomi note 10 with a 108 mpix camera that pixel bins down to 27 mpix but interestingly has the ability to take a full 108 mpix image, although the images are not as good as the pixel binned ones I assume it would allow for full raw images to be taken which could be edited in light room. So the xiaomi is advertised as 108 and has the option for 108 images. The a70 is advertised as 32 with no way to take a 32 image imho this is false advertising, I am not aware of an app that allows pixel binning to be turned off but the xiaomi shows it can be done. What is needed is someone to develop an app to turn it off or like gcam develop the xiaomi camera app to use on other phones including the ability to use the full resolution. If anyone does know how to turn pixel binning off please comment. I do love the phone but the camera is the weakest aspect.
I didn't buy this phone for the camera. The phone was half the price of a Pixel device. The camera is an upgrade over my previous device which has a camera from 2014. I agree the A70 is not even in the same league as the devices that cost more. I recommend using the money saved and buy a standalone camera if you are serious about photography. I can overlook this flaw because I don't take a lot of pictures.
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All the photo apps I have found show the main camera to be 8 mpix, this is due to Samsung using pixel binning which combines 4 pixels into 1 large pixel to try and improve low light pictures. So 32 divided by 4 gives 8 mpix images and all the apps including the gcam apk only see 8 mpix. Even raw mode apps such as light room show 8 mpix and produce around 15 mpix raw images. I have just seen a youtube review of the new xiaomi note 10 with a 108 mpix camera that pixel bins down to 27 mpix but interestingly has the ability to take a full 108 mpix image, although the images are not as good as the pixel binned ones I assume it would allow for full raw images to be taken which could be edited in light room. So the xiaomi is advertised as 108 and has the option for 108 images. The a70 is advertised as 32 with no way to take a 32 image imho this is false advertising, I am not aware of an app that allows pixel binning to be turned off but the xiaomi shows it can be done. What is needed is someone to develop an app to turn it off or like gcam develop the xiaomi camera app to use on other phones including the ability to use the full resolution. If anyone does know how to turn pixel binning off please comment. I do love the phone but the camera is the weakest aspect.
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You can use full 32mb mode. In the camera app you see 3:4 , change it to the one that has 3:4H
Well back camera is ok - but front ? ... am I wrong - doesn't it have autofocus ? Is that possible ?
Khalid Madkour said:
You can use full 32mb mode. In the camera app you see 3:4 , change it to the one that has 3:4H
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Hi the 3x4h setting produces an 8mb image pixel binned from the 32mb lens, if you check the size of the images they are 4 to 6mb, they should be 4x as big with a 32mb lens. There is currently no way to get a full 32mb image either jpeg or raw, thats why all the camera apps show a max res of 8mb.
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Hi the 3x4h setting produces an 8mb image pixel binned from the 32mb lens, if you check the size of the images they are 4 to 6mb, they should be 4x as big with a 32mb lens. There is currently no way to get a full 32mb image either jpeg or raw, thats why all the camera apps show a max res of 8mb.
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When I chose the 3:4H mode in the stock camera I get images with a resolution of 6528x4896 which is 32mp.
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When I chose the 3:4H mode in the stock camera I get images with a resolution of 6528x4896 which is 32mp.
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Hi, Swizzy, the a70 camera pixel binns at 4 to 1, once the image is taken at 6528x4896 the processing combines 4 pixels to 1 increasing the pixel size to improve low light, this gives a finished image quater the size hence 8mp.
Check the gcam port thread and the comments people made about gcam only showing the main camera as 8mp.
Install gcam 6.2
I use default camera only for ultrawide and to use depht sensor on objects
samsung phones have the worst quality/price ratio. ?
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my iphone 5s 6 years old, takes better pictures.
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Compared to the camera of the 3 years old S8+ (my wife's mobile), I find the camera of the A70 very very weak.
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Camera is not weak, even if is good light. But keep in mind this is mid range. Older S8+ is flagship in which was added the best what was that time. So it's normal that Samsung S8+ maybe doing better photo, how u writing. But I have Samsung A70 and I can say for daily personal usage it is enough good quality and is not a shame to share it for others people, friends. Yes in bad light photo have a little bit noise. Keep in mind and fact that this is not professional camera, noise doing S8+ too. Noise at all is not good thing and with this facing a lot of smartphone and it doesn't matter which status it is: mid range or flagship, but that's why this phone or any newest other (probably, i'm not sure about very cheap mid range) have night mode which doing a little bit better photo as normal mode. Also, maybe my requirements is not so big as yours for camera, but a lot of experts, owners said that this is pretty good camera in generally. Photo is enough detailed and bright if you don't zooming it too much. If say honest strange thing is too take photo and zoom it a lot of at all. I looking into normal photo and don't looking for convergences of pixels, details
I found in youtube S8+ vs A70 camera compare (it is not yours? ), so maybe this will help to see others better and do not trust just yours negative opinion about this phone's camera (without fact that in bad light photo is really not good and have a little bit noises if say softy)
Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpvpPzRnpog
My opinion in this video S8+ doing too colored photo. I like photo in which is real colors, but is not too much bolded. Red looks like creepy red, too much red here as possible to see. That's artificial, not real image. Brightness is enough the same from both models, of course there is some fusions in photo taken with Samsung A70, but these fusions most time is see when you zooming a lot of photo or doing that with camera as I mentioned. Then details is with noise a little bit, But I really don't know where did you found weakness in A70 camera (sounds from you like A70 photo is very bad what is not true my opinion and how I saw from others about this phone ), my opinion as I mentioned A70 doing enough good photo. I'm not professional photographer, but I seeing into phone camera not like in professional device with which you can do very impressive quality photo - even in night or when is bad light, so maybe that's why my strictness is not so big as probably yours. Also keep in mind most mobile camera in bad light doing photo with noise, S8+ is not exception as I mentioned too and S8+ is flagship. So maybe compare S8+ with S9 or better S10???
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Well back camera is ok - but front ? ... am I wrong - doesn't it have autofocus ? Is that possible ?
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Samsung A70 haven't auto focus: Front Camera - Auto Focus - No, see in Samsung web site https://www.samsung.com/uk/smartphones/galaxy-a70/SM-A705FZKUBTU/
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samsung phones have the worst quality/price ratio. ?
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my iphone 5s 6 years old, takes better pictures.
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I disagree. Sony than from afar does not match with Samsung's mid range or Samsung smartphones at all. For example: in my location is selling now Sony Xperia 10 Plus (price 360 euros) and Samsung A70 (price 337 - 350), the same shop, but Samsung A70 different colors have a little bit different prices. So prices is almost the same, right? But let's see what is inside phones:
Source: https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9646&idPhone2=9591
SHORT COMPARE
XPERIA 10 PLUS:
IPS LCD capacitive touchscreen. 1080 x 2520 pixels, 21:9 ratio (~422 ppi density). Corning Gorilla Glass 5. Qualcomm SDM636 Snapdragon 636 (14 nm). Octa-core (4x1.8 GHz Kryo 260 Gold & 4x1.6 GHz Kryo 260 Silver). 64GB 4GB RAM, 64GB 6GB RAM. 12 MP, f/1.8, 27mm (wide), 1/2.8", 1.25µm, PDAF, 8 MP, f/2.4, 53mm (telephoto), 1/4", 1.12µm, PDAF, 2x optical zoom. [email protected], [email protected] 8 MP, f/2.0, 24mm (wide), 1/4", 1.12µm. A-GPS, GLONASS. Non-removable Li-Ion 3000 mAh battery. Fast battery charging 18W.
TEST result: Basemark OS II: 2159 / Basemark OS II 2.0: 1764 Basemark X: 15035
SAMSUNG A70:
Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen. 1080 x 2400 pixels, 20:9 ratio (~393 ppi density). Corning Gorilla Glass 3 (strange decision from Samsung, but... we have what we have). Qualcomm SDM675 Snapdragon 675 (11 nm). Octa-core (2x2.0 GHz Kryo 460 Gold & 6x1.7 GHz Kryo 460 Silver). 128GB 6GB RAM, 128GB 8GB RAM (Sony don't adding even in flagship 8GB RAM memory - shame). 32 MP, f/1.7, 26mm (wide), 1/2.8", 0.8µm, PDAF, 8 MP, f/2.2, 12mm (ultrawide), 1/4.0", 1.12µm, 5 MP, f/2.2, (wide), 1/5.0", 1.12µm, depth sensor. [email protected], [email protected]/240fps. 32 MP, f/2.0, 26mm (wide), 1/2.8", 0.8µm. A-GPS, GLONASS, GALILEO, BDS. Non-removable Li-Po 4500 mAh battery. Fast battery charging 25W.
TEST result: Basemark OS II: 2814 / Basemark OS II 2.0: 2737 Basemark X: 19341
This is not all specifications, but my opinion most important in smartphone. As you can see in most thing Samsung A70 is much more better as Sony which have biggest price a little bit, but looks much more worst as Samsung. I agree if you want to say that Chinese manufacturers making better smartphone for the same prices, yes i could buy Xiaomi Mi 9T, which in my location from the same shop cost 328 euros. But Xioami Mi9T:
1. Is Chinese smartphone. I have Xiaomi (Amazfit smart watch), so i know how they like to do a lot of bugs in software and how hard to fix it, to present world wide features, but most of them do not add in international versions.
2. Amazfit's, which is part of Xioami, support is very bad, agents looks like assholes from child's garden. But maybe with Xioami this problem is not exit, some saying it different support quality, but after smart watch i don't trust this company anymore. Even when is a lot of bugs in watch and so hard they fixing it.
3. This is compare of all these models https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=9646&idPhone2=9591&idPhone3=9738#diff- in which you can see that Xioami Mi9T is a little more powerfull smartphone compare with these models (Qualcomm SDM730 Snapdragon 730 (8 nm), Octa-core (2x2.2 GHz Kryo 470 Gold & 6x1.8 GHz Kryo 470 Silver), Adreno 618), but i heard that apps like to force close often, maybe it's already fixed, but... also haven't memory card which for me is very important. Camera in Xioami Mi9T is much more better as Samsung A70 (48 MP, f/1.8, 26mm (wide), 1/2.0", 0.8µm, PDAF, 8 MP, f/2.4, 53mm (telephoto), 1/4.0", 1.12µm, PDAF, 2x optical zoom, 13 MP, f/2.4, 12mm (ultrawide), 1/3.1", 1.12µm), also recording is [email protected], [email protected]/120/240fps, [email protected], included steady shot. But battery is only Non-removable Li-Po 4000 mAh battery with only Fast battery charging 18W. So i disagree that Samsung compare quality and price is bad, coz Sony here looks much more worst and even compare with Xiaomi Samsung is not so bad. Some specifications better have Xioami, some Samsung. Which by the way is very important to me.
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Ahem, no. Just no.
I agree with all who say that photo quality is terrible. I had an S8, the pictures taken with that looked very good out of the box. The picture processing on the A70 is just awful:
-It oversharpens way too much, especially in low light, the sharpening halos are painful to look at
-It does overly aggressive noise reduction which results in a serious lack of detail. Even by just zooming in a little bit it becomes clear that however the image looks "sharp" in 0% magnification there are literally no details captured as they are killed by the noise reduction
One other thing I don't really understand, is that the standard camera resolution is 4032x3024=12,1k=12 Megapixels. How can it be 12 megapixels, if the quad-bayer arrangement should result in 32/4=8 Megapixels, as the Gcam records in? If somebody could explain this i would be really happy.
I actually compared the photos from the A70 with my old (still working good) galaxy s5, and i was shocked, as in many scenarios the S5 actually produced much more detailed and vibrant pictures. That's when I decided to try the GCAM. I'm so happy right now, as this actually brings up the A70 camera quality to the level of the Galaxy s8 which I had previously as a company phone. With the GCAM the pictures are looking flagship-camera like with details properly captured, white balance is spot on (stock camera messes that up too, it takes too warm pictures almost in all scenarios), and the dynamic range is excellent too. And most importantly, there is no hideous oversharpening going on with the GCAM.
I'll link the images soon when i have a chance to upload them.
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Ahem, no. Just no.
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Can you elaborate on that? I just wrote a comment, let me quote the respective part:
"One other thing I don't really understand, is that the standard camera resolution is 4032x3024=12,1k=12 Megapixels. How can it be 12 megapixels, if the quad-bayer arrangement should result in 32/4=8 Megapixels, as the Gcam records in? If somebody could explain this i would be really happy."
Thanks
8mp interpolated to 32mp
what the hell is binning?
it is good old interpolation
this is an awful phone, awful camera quality, (because of an awful sensor)
no software support, one ui 1.0 is far worse than its rivals.
they marketed the one ui 2.0 and android 10 updates, but they are constantly postponed... to an unknown date...
because the lier company is busy with releasing other crap phones (like the a71, 51 vsvs)
they do not have any respect to the old customers, they just flood market
by flood marketing, every 3-4 months they release 3-4 new crap models, they are almost the same hardware as the older models.
they have many marketing lies, and they hope to fool more new customers by these marketing lies.
Yep the camera is terrible.
I was hoping they would do something via updates - but no.
I love the screen, size is great for me. Performance is good for my use, battery good. In screen finger print sensor is sub par but I can put up with it.
But the camera - oh dear - it's not as if the phone is a cheap and nasty phone - but the pictures it takes look like it is....
In most respects it's the best phone I have ever had (I don't do flag ships) - but they camera!!
I think you get the picture (pun intended).
Cheers
I posted an article on samsung community with pictures to compare the stock cam to gcam in lower light conditions. Also, I explain how the 32 megapixel sensor ends up shooting 12 MPG photos with "pixel binning". Let me quickly sum that up here as more people were asking this:
The 32MP camera is used in pixel binning mode, that results in a 8 MP shot (4 pixels are grouped as 1), AND the software actually UPSCALES that 8 MP shot to 12 by basically stretching the image with some AI quality retain helping process. What the actual hell. So yeah. Basically this phone takes 8 megapixel photos, which are then enlarged to 12.
I would have never thought that samsung would pull something as cheap as this on their customers. I'm now at a point that I'm going to use this phone for now, as it was basically free when I joined a phone fleet, but when it will come to my money, I will never opt for a samsung again. This is a shame btw, as the phone itself is not bad actually. Screen is epic, the battery is killer, and oneUI is actually very good, seems quite fluent and polished. Unfortunately the photo quality is not only bad thing (WIFI download speed is sluggish, touchscreen has sensitivity and touch registering issues, and fingerprint sensor is very unreliable), but the most ridiculous is the camera by far.
Below is my topic for the photo quality.
https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5...xy-A70-Camera-performance-issues/td-p/1565446
Cheers.
The more i read about the Motorola Edge 20 Fusion, i more i want to buy it, but there is a piece of information which i would like to make sense of.
The phone comes with a 108MP main shooter, but the phone's MediaTek Dimensity 800U SoC only supports cameras upto 64MP.
I need to understand what this means in a technical sense:
Will the phone, using either the default camera app or some other app, for eg. OpenCamera, be able to shoot 108MP images?
If not, are (108 - 64 = )36 megapixels just going to be dummies which won't be used at all?
If the whole sensor is going to be used, how is the SoC going to handle the raw data from the sensor? Will the SoC process the raw data in parts?
Is this going to keep the 108MP sensor from realising its full potential?
I am not basing my buying decision on the camera's megapixel count, it may be a marketing gimmick anyways. I know that megapixel count doesn't always translate to picture quality. My current phone, a Motorola G5S Plus has a 13MP rear cam and that megapixel count is enough for me. I am basically going for this phone for the screen and the stock Android experience.
I just need to understand if this is an indicator for any issues etc. which i should know if i buy the phone.
Thanks.
Z0MB!E said:
The more i read about the Motorola Edge 20 Fusion, i more i want to buy it, but there is a piece of information which i would like to make sense of.
The phone comes with a 108MP main shooter, but the phone's MediaTek Dimensity 800U SoC only supports cameras upto 64MP.
I need to understand what this means in a technical sense:
Will the phone, using either the default camera app or some other app, for eg. OpenCamera, be able to shoot 108MP images?
If not, are (108 - 64 = )36 megapixels just going to be dummies which won't be used at all?
If the whole sensor is going to be used, how is the SoC going to handle the raw data from the sensor? Will the SoC process the raw data in parts?
Is this going to keep the 108MP sensor from realising its full potential?
I am not basing my buying decision on the camera's megapixel count, it may be a marketing gimmick anyways. I know that megapixel count doesn't always translate to picture quality. My current phone, a Motorola G5S Plus has a 13MP rear cam and that megapixel count is enough for me. I am basically going for this phone for the screen and the stock Android experience.
I just need to understand if this is an indicator for any issues etc. which i should know if i buy the phone.
Thanks.
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So i have already bought the edge 20 fusion. But even before buying it i was extremely confused when i saw that 800u does not support a 108 mp camera.
I even searched for this on the internet on various forums, but there was nothing. I guess no one else had noticed that till now.
So i went ahead and bought it anyway as i am a Stock android fan and also just like you ,i wanted to experience the 10bit Amoled screen.
So I think that it maybe a marketing gimmick because the camera performance is definitely not like a 108 mp unit, actually far from it. Lets just say it's bad.
Only good thing about it is that, it performs decently in natural light in the outdoors.. that's it.
BUT
if you are going only for the screen and the stock android experience, you won't be disappointed. The screen is really THE BEST in this range. No complaints with the OS as well.
I don't regret buying the phone. But yes, camera should be better at this price (maybe software updates can optimise it a little)
I found no other issue(software or hardware). The battery performance is also very impressive.
Make of it what you will.
I hope this helps
Hi,
I have also purchased Moto Edge 20 Fusion and using it for around 1 month now. Excellent phone. Regarding Primary Camera they are doing Pixel Binning and providing 12 MP photos. They are also using sensor for giving better low light images. There is also option to select full resolution which gives 80 MP image which has size of 12 to 14 MB.
They still have work to do on camera app which moto is working on. In their forum they have said that a update for camera is in the works and soon they will release the same. After the update hope everything will fall in place as far as camera is concerned.
Following are the points in which it accels -
1. Display
2. Battery ( It lasts for 36 to 48 hours for me with SOT ranging from 7 to 9 hours which is damn good
3. Stock Android
4. Hopefully Camera (after the update)
5. 3.5 mm Jack
6. 30W charging with Charger and type c to type c cable included
7. Thinkshield mobile Security