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TyTN II - Driver Details

Hey All,
This is mostly for general information as to how the driver writing process works for this device.
The chip inside is a Qualcomm and ATi on the same chip, which everyone probably knows by now.
Most of the chip is qualcomm with the ATi for the 3d portion, Qualcomm is just the 2d portion. The ATi guys write up the their part and send it off the qualcomm. Then Qualcomm packages it in their driver... and depending on the customer request choose to enable or disable the 3d pieces. (Think X800 v X850 on a software level).
The roadblock is between Qualcomm and HTC. HTC needs to get together with qualcomm to produce a set of qualcomm drivers with it enabled. From my understanding it's a case of HTC needing to ask and they will likely receive.

Oooooooook....
J

... You know what? from my understanding You don't understand much, do You?
afaik there is no chance that qualcomm will give extended support for it's chip to htc for free..... I believe that with full functionality this chip would be much more expensive resulting with even more expensive tytn II devices.
think about it.
br
bro

bronx said:
... You know what? from my understanding You don't understand much, do You?
afaik there is no chance that qualcomm will give extended support for it's chip to htc for free..... I believe that with full functionality this chip would be much more expensive resulting with even more expensive tytn II devices.
think about it.
br
bro
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In a certain way we have nothing more than a tytn I with a new coat on.. thats the way i see it.
When i got my tytn II in september i was a little disappointed to see that its almost the same and there wasn t really anything new except the internal GPS and his new look.
And its was costing me 545 euro without VAT

Seriously- Could you be more rude? If your so smart then come up with a solution. Otherwise, just help out and don't flame.
bronx said:
... You know what? from my understanding You don't understand much, do You?
afaik there is no chance that qualcomm will give extended support for it's chip to htc for free..... I believe that with full functionality this chip would be much more expensive resulting with even more expensive tytn II devices.
think about it.
br
bro
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yupp.... sorry for being a bit harsh and ruff on edges.
next time I'll suggest to close such a pointles thread instead of trying to explain anything to op.
I thought, that at this stage every xda-dev member have knowledge of the situation (if not then read/search before posting) and the fact, that nothing in this world will probably make qualcomm or htc give us a free solution.
You know what? I'll stfu and now let's trash this forum bit 'mo... :/

Martinjv71 said:
Seriously- Could you be more rude? If your so smart then come up with a solution. Otherwise, just help out and don't flame.
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Yeah!! Can't you just be a smartass like me??
J

How to install OS on phone?

Hello,
I been around for some while on this website and tried one and other with my phones, now I have a very complex question bcuz I dont know the ins and outs some of ya`ll might think its silly but please respond with serious feedback as I am very exited about it.
My questions:
Is it possible to install a (example) Iphone Os on a (example) HTC Dream? or other phones/ Os (you get the point)
Where do I need to start, to design and OS? Is that even possible for one person to do?
I have no degrees in making/installing/playing with software.
All I do is in my freetime as a hobby. But I spend about 4 hours a day minimum playing around with my phone and reading the internet about possibilities.
Thank you for your feedback in forward!
Greetz
Dizzy

dizzydix said:
Hello,
I been around for some while on this website and tried one and other with my phones, now I have a very complex question bcuz I dont know the ins and outs some of ya`ll might think its silly but please respond with serious feedback as I am very exited about it.
My questions:
Is it possible to install a (example) Iphone Os on a (example) HTC Dream? or other phones/ Os (you get the point)
Where do I need to start, to design and OS? Is that even possible for one person to do?
I have no degrees in making/installing/playing with software.
All I do is in my freetime as a hobby. But I spend about 4 hours a day minimum playing around with my phone and reading the internet about possibilities.
Thank you for your feedback in forward!
Greetz
Dizzy
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hi dizzydix,
so you want to design your own OS? Have Fun! (and a few years of time)
Is that even possible for one person to do
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no, i don't think so!
and now to your original question, whether it's possible to install another OS on your device:
The OS have to be on the mainor partition of your device and is isntalled as your firmware, every device with own OS has it's own drivers that way, so NO it's not possible so far to install another one, MAYBE in a while there can be some ports for some devices, but not now
the_boogyman

"Is it possible to install a (example) Iphone Os on a (example) HTC Dream? "
no not unless you had enough skillz with a hex editor you could put all the correct hw drivers into the iphone image and after that make it into an image which would
be compatible with the wm device
would take as much time as making your own os which would be years even if
you were a good software developer

Rudegar said:
no not unless you had enough skillz with a hex editor you could put all the correct hw drivers into the iphone image and after that make it into an image which would
be compatible with the wm device
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Very, very big mistake... You never programming anything in hex editor!!! No matter is PDA prog or PC prog. Nobody on that world is programing in hex editor. Who plays (at least) with bulding software knows that thing is possible in programming languages. You could only apply patch, crack an so on in a hex editor, but even then you do it based on hex code cpu instructions...
Regarding what dizzydix says I think there is another point of view of the problem. Generally speaking, no manufacturer makes special pieces of hardware for one type of phone (or smartphone).
So, if there is a puzzle of hardware pieces who has hw drivers already developed in another phones why it can't be put togheter in a different one?
More clear... HTC Magic has Android OS. Could it be ported to WM?
This ideea came into my mind right now
Why not??? HW specifications does'n reveals anything special. It seems that HW chips are not different from other WM mobiles...
So what is the solution? Cook a version of WM who contains hw drivers already builded for that chips... You don't need to 'hex editing' drivers but just to adapt existing drivers to your phone.
OK, there are more problems regarding organizing memory...and so on...
You get the ideea...
The problem is very, very complex but not impossible. It's up to your brain!
On Mio A701 a group of smart guys tried to install Linux on it (it cames with WM5.5) based on HTC universal drivers!

Hi
Wow thanx guys,
Its starting to get clear.
MoshPuiu thank you for you clear answer, this is what I have been looking for.
Real nice, explination.
I like the thought: Complex, but not impossible!
Anyways, I was coming across this tought when people tried to port Iphone os to a Hero. Read it somewhere on the net.
So then I tought, maybe I can buy me a remake of an Iphone and then put android on it. (I like the look of the iphone, but the interface sucks..way too boring if you compare Android and WM.
Nevertheless, I like playing around with interfaces, but an OS is a whole other level I understand. I while leave that on the shelf.
Ok so have a good day bye guys!
Dizzy

Good Luck and let us know your progress!

The Phone

The question of all time with the wonderment as to whom might answer. With all the phones on the Market subservient the one we wait for;
What is The Phone we are waiting for, the one we want & need?
True there are many out there to do what ever you want but all are limited in their own ways, Carriers included.
So the Grand question is does anyone yet know how to put in words an answer to this reply?
Thank You.

The HTC Leo/HD2 with both WM and Android on it. This is the phone .

I'm sure you can tell this is the phone I've waited for (if it gets here) but all get upgrades (#2) what will this Leo become -Next-?
Don't get me wrong I've waited & wanted this phone for a LONG TIME.
Thanks for repling.

I've got no idea how the Leo could be made any better, at least not now.
Of course, even faster processors, even higher resolution for the camera and tinier chips for an even thinner phone will be developed in the future, but the Leo pretty much delivers everything that's possible at the moment.

How much I agree with you. But do you think it will get here?

Here You go, someone else may be listening, 'The Dragon' by HTC. This may be the answer we're searching for. Found this at Engadget but XDA already knows this.

If u don't need a keyboard, then the LEO is it (for now)! See it's active thread for further info...

Leo+hardware kb would pretty much be king for me... Until then, the TP2 the company pays for will cover me.

Believe me I've been following the Leo throughout so many areas that if the Virtual is sufficient (as well as I type) then something new in that regard is worth chasing, true hands on will tell. Yet what other phone is equal to the Leo with A KB? Not many I would think. How about you?

@godefroi, I too am used to kb & touch but I require a wi/fi & a large screen, questioning your reply do you think there is a phone on the horizon with these articles together (w/a screen as large as the Leo & its operating system)? This would detour me away from the Leo. (when it gets here).

http://android.hdblog.it/2009/10/04/htc-dragon-un-nuovo-terminale-android-per-htc/ _"The Dragon"_

Oh yea, Translate it w/google.

Android ROM

Good afternoon, this is my first post here, so i'll introduce myself a little.
I'm Johan, I live in The Netherlands, and i have a "MDA II, a T-Mobile branded HTC Himalaya" and a "MDA Compact, a T-Mobile branded HTC Magician".
I'm doing a study informatica, and i'm planning to choose as minor for software engineer or game development.
Currently for a schoolproject we have to write an application for an android mobile phone. Both my phones aren't for android and afcourse i've searched the forums as good as i could but so far no luck.
I'm looking for someone with some background knowledge of Android and who could point me in the right direction on what i should do to make a custom ROM for 1 of my telephones, i read that for the compact there are some linux tryouts so i think the base is there already it just needs to be explored a little further.
Hope that someone can help me out,
Thanks
Johan

Hi Johan, welcome to XDA
Unfortunatly i do not beleive that either of your devices will run android, however, part of the Android DTK is an emulator. That should work for you?
Good luck

Hi Badwolve,
Thanks for youre reply, I am aware of the emulator in the android SDK, but its really really slow... (CPU runs up to 100% really soon even with just an empty project running and RAM is 400MB wich is quit a lot) and then you have to count the RAM usage of netbeans to etc.(laptop kinda protests against this abuse )
So if i could beat that crappy emulator part and run it (maybe just as slow, but hey) on my telephone that would be awesome.
Also i did read that for the magician there are several versions of linux, so there is some sort of progress, but i have no idea if someone is still working on that, or if anyone could point me in the direction where they left off.
(i had the idea atleast that android was somewhere based upon linux, and that the java was somewhat based upon sun's java idea (lol @ did you guys know there isn't "JAV"A ... there is just some layout of how java should look like and then you can makeup youre own ideas)

i'll have a look for you, but i'm quite busy at the mo
will post if i find anything

http wiki xda-developers com/index.php?pagename=Android_devices shows that the apache http pdadb net/index.php?m=specs&id=705&c=verizon_xv6700_htc_apache runs android.
I think the specs aren't much different from the magician (cpu/ram/rom) http pdadb net/index.php?m=specs&id=133&view=1&c=t-mobile_mda_compact_htc_magician
The himalaya has a bit less CPU but the RAM capacity is higher, so i guess if the specs from 1 phone is good enough to run android, phones with simmilar specs should work to.
Or is that just to simplistic?
I'd really love to hear where i should look to figure out howto start experimenting. I meen, i'm googling everywhere, but i have no idea what searchterms i should use to get in the right direction, the only thing i keep getting in my face all the time "its impossible blablabla" but then again, look at the specs of the cpu/ram ... and look at the "its impossible to run win mobile 5.0" while there is 6.5 available for them.
Its just a point that someone actually has to start working on it, and hope that others follow. If someone points me in the right way, i'll be the starter and hope that i get backup when i get stuck somewhere.
(can't add :// or . in links :S keep getting some weird notification ... copy'd the links from the wiki, so they can't be to bad )
http www talkandroid com/android-forums/android-hardware/2-android-minimum-hardware-requirements.html Minimum requirements for android in 2008 .... wonder if those specs are still the same.

Unfortunatly, just because the specs are simaler, it doesn't mean it will work, different mainboard, ram type and rom type.
if you got a diamond or newer (but not HD2), you could use haret
i recp,emd the TP2 or Topaz (Diamond 2), these run Android very well

[Q] Is their any way to transform BT to IR?

Hi, is their any kind of software\hardware to android, that can add my cellphone InfraRed?

Bluetooth and IR are totally different frequencies. You would need a piece of hardware that would hook up to your bluetooth to use IR.
To answer your question, I know of no hardware that does that, but it would be nice!

i know that their is something like that, bcause i remember that i've heard about it. i wanna know if someone familiar with it.

Could you probably give some more informations about what exactly you would like to achieve? Ok, it is clear in general you want to control "something" that only has ir. But it could be that there are already other projects for this specific device. I think currently your only chance is to find some smart guys in a microcontroller forum who likes this project. I am not aware of a consumer solution.