Good afternoon, this is my first post here, so i'll introduce myself a little.
I'm Johan, I live in The Netherlands, and i have a "MDA II, a T-Mobile branded HTC Himalaya" and a "MDA Compact, a T-Mobile branded HTC Magician".
I'm doing a study informatica, and i'm planning to choose as minor for software engineer or game development.
Currently for a schoolproject we have to write an application for an android mobile phone. Both my phones aren't for android and afcourse i've searched the forums as good as i could but so far no luck.
I'm looking for someone with some background knowledge of Android and who could point me in the right direction on what i should do to make a custom ROM for 1 of my telephones, i read that for the compact there are some linux tryouts so i think the base is there already it just needs to be explored a little further.
Hope that someone can help me out,
Thanks
Johan
Hi Johan, welcome to XDA
Unfortunatly i do not beleive that either of your devices will run android, however, part of the Android DTK is an emulator. That should work for you?
Good luck
Hi Badwolve,
Thanks for youre reply, I am aware of the emulator in the android SDK, but its really really slow... (CPU runs up to 100% really soon even with just an empty project running and RAM is 400MB wich is quit a lot) and then you have to count the RAM usage of netbeans to etc.(laptop kinda protests against this abuse )
So if i could beat that crappy emulator part and run it (maybe just as slow, but hey) on my telephone that would be awesome.
Also i did read that for the magician there are several versions of linux, so there is some sort of progress, but i have no idea if someone is still working on that, or if anyone could point me in the direction where they left off.
(i had the idea atleast that android was somewhere based upon linux, and that the java was somewhat based upon sun's java idea (lol @ did you guys know there isn't "JAV"A ... there is just some layout of how java should look like and then you can makeup youre own ideas)
i'll have a look for you, but i'm quite busy at the mo
will post if i find anything
http wiki xda-developers com/index.php?pagename=Android_devices shows that the apache http pdadb net/index.php?m=specs&id=705&c=verizon_xv6700_htc_apache runs android.
I think the specs aren't much different from the magician (cpu/ram/rom) http pdadb net/index.php?m=specs&id=133&view=1&c=t-mobile_mda_compact_htc_magician
The himalaya has a bit less CPU but the RAM capacity is higher, so i guess if the specs from 1 phone is good enough to run android, phones with simmilar specs should work to.
Or is that just to simplistic?
I'd really love to hear where i should look to figure out howto start experimenting. I meen, i'm googling everywhere, but i have no idea what searchterms i should use to get in the right direction, the only thing i keep getting in my face all the time "its impossible blablabla" but then again, look at the specs of the cpu/ram ... and look at the "its impossible to run win mobile 5.0" while there is 6.5 available for them.
Its just a point that someone actually has to start working on it, and hope that others follow. If someone points me in the right way, i'll be the starter and hope that i get backup when i get stuck somewhere.
(can't add :// or . in links :S keep getting some weird notification ... copy'd the links from the wiki, so they can't be to bad )
http www talkandroid com/android-forums/android-hardware/2-android-minimum-hardware-requirements.html Minimum requirements for android in 2008 .... wonder if those specs are still the same.
Unfortunatly, just because the specs are simaler, it doesn't mean it will work, different mainboard, ram type and rom type.
if you got a diamond or newer (but not HD2), you could use haret
i recp,emd the TP2 or Topaz (Diamond 2), these run Android very well
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Hello,
I been around for some while on this website and tried one and other with my phones, now I have a very complex question bcuz I dont know the ins and outs some of ya`ll might think its silly but please respond with serious feedback as I am very exited about it.
My questions:
Is it possible to install a (example) Iphone Os on a (example) HTC Dream? or other phones/ Os (you get the point)
Where do I need to start, to design and OS? Is that even possible for one person to do?
I have no degrees in making/installing/playing with software.
All I do is in my freetime as a hobby. But I spend about 4 hours a day minimum playing around with my phone and reading the internet about possibilities.
Thank you for your feedback in forward!
Greetz
Dizzy
dizzydix said:
Hello,
I been around for some while on this website and tried one and other with my phones, now I have a very complex question bcuz I dont know the ins and outs some of ya`ll might think its silly but please respond with serious feedback as I am very exited about it.
My questions:
Is it possible to install a (example) Iphone Os on a (example) HTC Dream? or other phones/ Os (you get the point)
Where do I need to start, to design and OS? Is that even possible for one person to do?
I have no degrees in making/installing/playing with software.
All I do is in my freetime as a hobby. But I spend about 4 hours a day minimum playing around with my phone and reading the internet about possibilities.
Thank you for your feedback in forward!
Greetz
Dizzy
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hi dizzydix,
so you want to design your own OS? Have Fun! (and a few years of time)
Is that even possible for one person to do
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no, i don't think so!
and now to your original question, whether it's possible to install another OS on your device:
The OS have to be on the mainor partition of your device and is isntalled as your firmware, every device with own OS has it's own drivers that way, so NO it's not possible so far to install another one, MAYBE in a while there can be some ports for some devices, but not now
the_boogyman
"Is it possible to install a (example) Iphone Os on a (example) HTC Dream? "
no not unless you had enough skillz with a hex editor you could put all the correct hw drivers into the iphone image and after that make it into an image which would
be compatible with the wm device
would take as much time as making your own os which would be years even if
you were a good software developer
Rudegar said:
no not unless you had enough skillz with a hex editor you could put all the correct hw drivers into the iphone image and after that make it into an image which would
be compatible with the wm device
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Very, very big mistake... You never programming anything in hex editor!!! No matter is PDA prog or PC prog. Nobody on that world is programing in hex editor. Who plays (at least) with bulding software knows that thing is possible in programming languages. You could only apply patch, crack an so on in a hex editor, but even then you do it based on hex code cpu instructions...
Regarding what dizzydix says I think there is another point of view of the problem. Generally speaking, no manufacturer makes special pieces of hardware for one type of phone (or smartphone).
So, if there is a puzzle of hardware pieces who has hw drivers already developed in another phones why it can't be put togheter in a different one?
More clear... HTC Magic has Android OS. Could it be ported to WM?
This ideea came into my mind right now
Why not??? HW specifications does'n reveals anything special. It seems that HW chips are not different from other WM mobiles...
So what is the solution? Cook a version of WM who contains hw drivers already builded for that chips... You don't need to 'hex editing' drivers but just to adapt existing drivers to your phone.
OK, there are more problems regarding organizing memory...and so on...
You get the ideea...
The problem is very, very complex but not impossible. It's up to your brain!
On Mio A701 a group of smart guys tried to install Linux on it (it cames with WM5.5) based on HTC universal drivers!
Hi
Wow thanx guys,
Its starting to get clear.
MoshPuiu thank you for you clear answer, this is what I have been looking for.
Real nice, explination.
I like the thought: Complex, but not impossible!
Anyways, I was coming across this tought when people tried to port Iphone os to a Hero. Read it somewhere on the net.
So then I tought, maybe I can buy me a remake of an Iphone and then put android on it. (I like the look of the iphone, but the interface sucks..way too boring if you compare Android and WM.
Nevertheless, I like playing around with interfaces, but an OS is a whole other level I understand. I while leave that on the shelf.
Ok so have a good day bye guys!
Dizzy
Good Luck and let us know your progress!
The question of all time with the wonderment as to whom might answer. With all the phones on the Market subservient the one we wait for;
What is The Phone we are waiting for, the one we want & need?
True there are many out there to do what ever you want but all are limited in their own ways, Carriers included.
So the Grand question is does anyone yet know how to put in words an answer to this reply?
Thank You.
The HTC Leo/HD2 with both WM and Android on it. This is the phone .
I'm sure you can tell this is the phone I've waited for (if it gets here) but all get upgrades (#2) what will this Leo become -Next-?
Don't get me wrong I've waited & wanted this phone for a LONG TIME.
Thanks for repling.
I've got no idea how the Leo could be made any better, at least not now.
Of course, even faster processors, even higher resolution for the camera and tinier chips for an even thinner phone will be developed in the future, but the Leo pretty much delivers everything that's possible at the moment.
How much I agree with you. But do you think it will get here?
Here You go, someone else may be listening, 'The Dragon' by HTC. This may be the answer we're searching for. Found this at Engadget but XDA already knows this.
If u don't need a keyboard, then the LEO is it (for now)! See it's active thread for further info...
Leo+hardware kb would pretty much be king for me... Until then, the TP2 the company pays for will cover me.
Believe me I've been following the Leo throughout so many areas that if the Virtual is sufficient (as well as I type) then something new in that regard is worth chasing, true hands on will tell. Yet what other phone is equal to the Leo with A KB? Not many I would think. How about you?
@godefroi, I too am used to kb & touch but I require a wi/fi & a large screen, questioning your reply do you think there is a phone on the horizon with these articles together (w/a screen as large as the Leo & its operating system)? This would detour me away from the Leo. (when it gets here).
http://android.hdblog.it/2009/10/04/htc-dragon-un-nuovo-terminale-android-per-htc/ _"The Dragon"_
Oh yea, Translate it w/google.
Hi Guys,
This is my first post.... I am firstly thankful to xda team for all their efforts and also to everyone who are working to fine tune WM6 and Android. When will MS learn all this? Damn Windows....(Hope MS is listening)......
Anyway i/everyone am/are totally fed up with WM6... Hope the XDA team is launching Android or WM7 for HTC HD2 (aka LEO) soon... Any NEWS/updates guys????
In short; yes someone (as in a lot of people) is working on both. Welcome to the forums, and check the threads and search function. You will find that threads concerning your questions are quite high in their respective sub-forums. Try and read up before posting, it'll make the stay here quite pleasant. Some people here are tired of answering the same questions over and over, and it'll keep the forums tidy.
very possible but i believe the developers said around end of this year for the android/wp7 on HD2.cant wait......
Well,WP7 is just around the corner.
As for Android,I tried it before but wasn't satisfied because it is maybe interesting at first but later it becomes really boring(Anyway for me).
The HD2's hardware can easily handle WP7 and Microsoft needs to change its mind:just because the HD2 doesn't have a bing key(I think that the problem is about this hardware key.Correct me if I am wrong) this doesn't mean that it is not capable.
@ForceField
Its not just the searchbutton. There are several hardware issues against the "new" mobile concept of MS. Especially the missing sd-card support or better MS don't wan't you to have changeable memory on your device, that might interfere with their "MS marketplace only" app source. That means there has to be much more internal storage in the device itself - like on the iPhone or Palm Pre.
It's definitly easier to become Android on the HD2 since HTC is releasing the nearly similar (hardwarewise) HTC Evo on Sprint - I guess this a nobrainer for the xda-chefs to cook the needed things for that.
microsoft must give an upgrade for htc hd2 because the wm 6.5 is getting boring....some of us loved it but would be great to give a chance to port a wp7 to hd2.. the android operating system is very good too...they made such as good phone as htc hd2 but they gave it away...the next htcs phones doesnt have even sense anymore if i am not doing wrong...after hd2 with sense they throwed away the sense and android came up more famous like HTC Evo or desire..!!!its too bad for such a hi-tech phone to stay forgotten!this phone needs some love so microsoft must give love ;-p and a special gift finally... !!!but at all thanks to god that we have xda-chefs to give us some real dope stuffs to hd2 in nearby ''future''....
ps sorry for my english... ;-p
brodieberlin said:
@ForceField
It's definitly easier to become Android on the HD2 since HTC is releasing the nearly similar (hardwarewise) HTC Evo on Sprint - I guess this a nobrainer for the xda-chefs to cook the needed things for that.
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It is definitely NOT a nobrainer putting Android on the HD2... the EVO may help a little.... but it is not the same hardware as the HD2. The nexus1 is closer hardware-wise to the HD2. They are using the nexus kernel as a starting point for the kernel they've been already working on for months. But they still have alot of work ahead of them. It is not the same as cooking a new rom. They have to port a working linux kernel.
Help......
God.... i am suffering with ORD... please help.
I thought I'd leave you all with the ROM comparisons that I did when I was actively using my Universal. Half way through I upgraded to 128 MB, so this is reflected in some of the memory readings.
These are my own personal findings - I tested programs on the ROMs that I was interested in. Perhaps I'm opening a can of worms here, but I hope you find it useful.
Thanks Jonny!
Great information, will add to the FAQ
How do you feel with your new Rhodium?
My new rhodium is great - I'm not looking back! (Oops, perhaps I shouldn't have posted that here!). I know it doesn't run WP7, but there is certainly life in it yet (and I have a lot of bought programs which run on WM6.5 only, so I'm quite happy).
I enjoyed too my Rhodium!
And moved to Leo was a big shock for me coming from a real keyboard line devices...
I expect to go back to keyboard devices soon as I find a similar spec HTC device
Jonny could You paste this file with .xls extention? I don't have Office 2007 and i cannot get into it
Thx in advance
BR
buzolek
Ok, updated first post to include excel 2003 version Rom Compare3.xls
very useful information!thanks
Great
OMG...
You HAVE used your Uni buddy!
And I thought I was a serious user...still using though...nobody in my town knows what a 128 MB Uni means to me...will just keep it till I grow old.
I'm waiting for a really good WP7 piece...checked one HD7...but the software glithces.. or shortcomings are too many....let's see.
Hey kalya! nice to see you around
Perhaps would be wise to wait for Touch Pro 7
-Jonny- said:
I thought I'd leave you all with the ROM comparisons that I did when I was actively using my Universal. Half way through I upgraded to 128 MB, so this is reflected in some of the memory readings.
These are my own personal findings - I tested programs on the ROMs that I was interested in. Perhaps I'm opening a can of worms here, but I hope you find it useful.
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Great job!! Obrigado!
what next?
I don't know Orb...which would be my WP7 handset.
As always , win mo are dull,very down to earth,mature looking gadgets...they will never be fun and I accept that....
Just waiting for a great hardware & the new OS's perfect synchronisation.
Uni was it...we got maximum from it...but my country's mobile network never caught up with the handset.
Just waiting for it...hoping...HTC would almost deliver and I know XDA members will make it perfect.
Yes it´s true...
I have played with WP7 on my Leo and decided to go back to WM/Android as it´s to damn closed platform it seems like apple...
If WM is really dying which I doubt I think I go to Android instead...
Please let me know what you finally decide to upgrade
Cheers,
Maybe Galaxy Tab if nothing good comes out in the near future.
We win mo users don't want a new OS or high config devices as much we need really new --FRESH-- apps,but maybe the new apps reqire both the things..OS+new hardware.
Otherwise I stll have some of the handsets in my sig(and some nokia ones also)
hi, my name is dale. i have been a huge windows fan my whole life and just bought a new htc hd7. from my experience its similar to the iphone but doesnt compete with the new droid twin core phone. anyways, i fiddle with xna programming quite a bit, i can read it but not write it. on the xna platform there is also an option to compile to zunes format. i know those projects can be syncd onto my phone but what about actual app development? would anyone mind pointing me in the right direction? what software do i need to start learning? anyways, i would like to be a active member of this site, if anyone would like help with anything im sure i can hold down 2d and 3d tiles at the least.
looking forward to meeting all of you, your fav nublet ...
dale
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