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Kitchen Tools Source Code Request

I'd like to get my hands on the source code for the kitchen tools that we're using. I'm posting it here because 1: It has the most traffic, and 2: It applies to the WM6 kitchens.
Specific applications are:
BuildOS.exe and nb2nbf_wizard.exe
I want to write a seamless user-interface that gives a single point of access to perform all the tasks that are manually executed now and include safety checks to prevent operator error.
The current process is:
Run BuildOS
Select packages
Click Green Arrow
Close BuildOS
Run CreateROM.bat
Close CreateROM.bat cmd window
Run nb2nbf_wizard.exe
Select Language
Select output file locatoin
Select OS
Select OS file name
Select OS image name
Select OS Start Address
Select Translate
Exit nb2nbf_wizard.exe
After accessing these three different programs, THEN you can run the flash utility.
I'm not complaining in any way, shape or form. I think the people that developed these tools did an excellent job, and gave us all the tools to customize our hardware.
In case the question comes up, batch filing the process helps, but it still leaves a lot to chance. I prefer to keep the process within a single executable.
Being that I'm an automation controls engineer and have been programming manufacturing automation for the past 10+ years, I think this process has a LOT of room for improvement, and hope to offer my services to do so.
It doesn't matter what language it's in, be it C++, C#, or VB (any flavor).
FYI - I had contacted bepe directly about BuildOS but he didn't think my needs were a vaild reason to get a copy from him. Maybe someone here can help out.
Please post or PM if you can assist.
Matt

In my kitchen i made some batch files with intensive error checking. Of course you'll have to press the green arrow...but all the process is autmatised.
I think all the tools are out there, and if you have just a little brain, it won't be difficult at all to use them. I don't understand why you want to make this even easier than it is. Surely that will raise more and more questions.
I would suggest making a ROM that asks you what you want to install (programs) when you first flash it...something like PC windows ... where user has the smallest amount of control over the installation rather than turning all this cooking deal into "press one button and you'll have your own home made rom"
Just my opinion. But i will help you as much as i can. Though i don't have extensive knowledge on programming, but i have friends that do.

mattk_r:
I'll send BuildOS source when I next see you online. (gotta love .net langs hehe)
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But dont share it
Bepe obviously has reasons for not wanting to give the source out, so I will try not to tread on his toes too much.

Someone along time ago suggested a web interface for this function. It used to just ask what you wanted in the os then build and pack for you. then you downloaded an exe that would flash your phone. Why not bring that back matt. lol

nottoosmart said:
Someone along time ago suggested a web interface for this function. It used to just ask what you wanted in the os then build and pack for you. then you downloaded an exe that would flash your phone. Why not bring that back matt. lol
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HTML wouldn't be a bad idea, but somewhere there will have to be a server to execute the build process, etc. I've got a Longhorn Server running .NET 3.0, but I just use it for testing Exchange Server and hosting a few sites. It doesn't have enough power / capacity to scrath the surface.
anichillus said:
"press one button and you'll have your own home made rom"
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No worries here. You'll stil have full control, but everything will be much more "user friendly". I'll be sure to have you in the beta test
Whiterat said:
mattk_r:
I'll send BuildOS source when I next see you online. (gotta love .net langs hehe)
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But dont share it
Bepe obviously has reasons for not wanting to give the source out, so I will try not to tread on his toes too much.
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No worried there. I am happy to share community work, but no further

BuildOS source code
I am looking for the BuildOS source code since a long time, I also tried to develop an all-in-one user interface for ROM kitchen, but unfortunately I didn't have enough resources to be able to build packages, so I gave it up...
I asked Bepe for the source code of his tool but I never got any answer, I also tried to disassemble BuildOS but there are still missing or unclear parts in the code, and I can't do anything without that.
Now I care of the localized WM6 ROMs for Hermes, I developed my own system for ROM localization process but it's a pain that I have all the time to manually build the ROMs, integrating OS building process would save me a lot of time!
Could someone give me the source code of BuildOS, that's really important to me, but don't worry I won't give it to anybody, I understand that Bepe doesn't want to share his source and I have also a lot of respect for his great work!
Thanks in advance.
I would be glad to help in building a user-friendly interface for ROM kitchen, as you know I already thought about it, there are powerful tools on XDA-Devs but each developed appart, so I think it's time to gather all that work to make something more complete, user-friendly, fast and easy to use!

Hi schaps
Not sure, but some guys from ppcgeeks may help u for sorce code of BuildOS.
contact vboyz103 in ppcgeeks, he made nice simple utility 'OEM Helper'.

schaps said:
I am looking for the BuildOS source code since a long time, I also tried to develop an all-in-one user interface for ROM kitchen, but unfortunately I didn't have enough resources to be able to build packages, so I gave it up...
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Nice ROM kitchen! A lot better than the one I've made! See thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317508
btw, what did you use to disassemble BuildOS? I have a disassembled version of it and PKGTool using Dis# but am not going to use either of them without any permission. That's why my kitchen just calls those programs

nandlal_mk said:
Hi schaps
Not sure, but some guys from ppcgeeks may help u for sorce code of BuildOS.
contact vboyz103 in ppcgeeks, he made nice simple utility 'OEM Helper'.
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Sorry but I'm not looking for a tool to create packages, which is the easiest part to do, but I would like to build the OS ROM from packages, which is the purpose of BuildOS.

ND4SPD said:
Nice ROM kitchen! A lot better than the one I've made! See thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317508
btw, what did you use to disassemble BuildOS? I have a disassembled version of it and PKGTool using Dis# but am not going to use either of them without any permission. That's why my kitchen just calls those programs
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I tried with various disassemblers, excepted this one that I don't know! I also don't want to release my tools without any permission, but it's for my personal use, to improve the development of my next releases, what's more it would help me to understand better this mysterious part of the ROM kitchen!

One option that would be nice in BuildOS is to have the ability to save the configuration (especially since you won't know if it's too large until you run the next step, or is some cases until you try to flash).
Actually, way back in the XDA I days there were kitchens that ran on Linux (php web page, tools ran in Linux) that calulated the space while selecting the various software options to include. That was nice becuause one see how much space was left to cook with and how much space each application would use.
Anyway, I'd like to be able to save the current "recepie" at least.

schaps said:
I tried with various disassemblers, excepted this one that I don't know!
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Here are some links:
http://www.itshareware.com/prodview-code_4822--download-dis-net-decompiler.htm (this is for the dis# I mentioned)
http://www.remotesoft.com/salamander/index.html this is a java based decompiler
between the two trial versions of these programs, i was able to decompile the vital parts of BuildOS. All I had to do is reconstruct the easy missing parts but I think I still have a few missing as I tried to convert VB.NET to VB which I know.

Debian??

ok so im noobish and before anyone rips me apart for even asking i did look it up and still dont understand...i have never used(or heard of) Debian but i see alot of pople talking bout running in on the g1 along side android..and im just wondering what kind benefiets is there to it.abd yea i kno im gonna get some greif for this but be gentel (ive seen dumber posts...ps2 emu..lol)
thanks in advance for not ripping me apart

hey i tried to PM you and says u have choosen to not recieve PMs...

I've noticed quite a few people have issues with the current debian how-to so perhaps since you are offering to help people over pm, you could draft up a friendly how-to to save yourself the onslaught of private messages
I know I would appreciate it as I would love a place to point co-workers/friends to for guidance instead of me just doing it for them...

resize debian image on windows
ive been researching this topic for some time now and have successfully installed the 750mb image but i cant seem to find any information on resizing the image on windows xp as i have only found information on resizing in linux.
also what additional programs can u install and run to utilize the debian os?

http://www.androidfanatic.com/cms/community-forums.html?func=view&catid=9&id=2248
there is an installer for debian. works great and easy. I really need somebody to make a working 1.5gig image. this would be greatly apreciated.

I recommend downloading (it's free) a ubuntu or kubuntu CD, these are the most popular linux distros that require basically no knowlage of linux or computers to run. My Grandma uses this and my grandad an avid windows fan for 10 years is considering switching. You could also dual boot (Windows + Ubuntu choice at startup) or use a virtual PC, though i personally don't like them.
Then you can follow the instructions to resize, I doubt there's a way to do it on windows and I find faffing around in windows command line harder than bash (linux command line).
as far as running it on your phone. There's a fair amount doable in command line if you get confident at that. Run it as a webserver, convert files to a format that android can run etc.
Also there's a large amount you can do with a window manager, although that's limited to the g1's fairly bad specs (most applications are designed for fast processors aka computers + Laptops)
Has anyone tried VLC yet?

i second this..if anybody has a larger image than the regular 750mb can u please upload it or message me thanks
4u2nv68 said:
http://www.androidfanatic.com/cms/community-forums.html?func=view&catid=9&id=2248
I really need somebody to make a working 1.5gig image. this would be greatly apreciated.
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as being the origanel poster here i dont know much of anything about debian but i have read some people have put vlc on g1 but its currently non operation(dont understand why u would want it if it wasnt working) again im just curious and b4 the post get off topic and anyone wouldnt mind talking to a noob PM and enlighten me on some of the beneifiets of running debian....thanks guiy xda has helped me alot. love this place full of g1 jedis!

XDA-Karma said:
Im just finishing up the image i will try to upload it but im not sure how or where too anybody can help me please!! it will be 3.5gig
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www.mediafire.com

programming on g tab

First of all, when I searched for doing programming on an android device, I got a kazillion results on programming an android app. I don't want that. Currently, what are the languages that I can write and compile on an android device? Is java one of these?

I've always wondered why noone has posted a static gcc build for android. gcc g++ gcj, they all should cross compile. You might have to enable swap to use them though.

Android basically runs Java. That's the simple answer.
You might find some interesting reading on Eclipse with the google plugins.
If WYSIWYG/RAD environments are more to your liking, check out the "google app inventor."

goodintentions said:
First of all, when I searched for doing programming on an android device, I got a kazillion results on programming an android app. I don't want that. Currently, what are the languages that I can write and compile on an android device? Is java one of these?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=613

Um, guys, I said I don't care about building apps. I wanted to know if I could write and compile java on an android tablet.

Not quite java...
First, Android doesn't *quite* run Java. It runs Dalvik. That's a tweaked version of Java to help google not use the lawsuit with Sun/Oracle. There's a preprocessor you have to run over he Java bytecodes to get Dalvik code. This is why you can't simply port (or rather, build, given that there's a Linux under there) gcj and use it as is - you need the jvm->Dalvik translator.
The good news is - that runs on Android. There's a Clojure (a JVM/.net language) port for android that uses that translator to run code. While it's not up to building production code, it's fine for writing/testing code on android. I assume the JRuby port also uses it.
If all you're interested in is programming on a g tab, there's lots of options, most notably Google SL4A package (python, ruby, beanshell, sh - I think). But you can find Scheme, BrainF*ck, Pascal, Basic, etc. No Java, but I found at least three languages that run on the Dalvik VM (Clojure, JRuby, and Frink) that let you access some or all of the Android APIs. If you want to explore the Android APIs, one of these will probably work.
Finally, there's IDEDroid. That runs locally, but looks like it exports the compile and execution to their web server. It has support for lots (and lots and lots) of languages - including Java. If you just want edit/run small programs to play with the language, this might be just the ticket. I think I'm going to install it so I can play with haskell....

I wonder. Why in the world hasn't anyone developed a way to write and compile java code on android?

GNU has gcj, I'm fairly certain the same tools you use to compile a kernel would work to make an ARM/Android version.

muqali said:
GNU has gcj, I'm fairly certain the same tools you use to compile a kernel would work to make an ARM/Android version.
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Could you please clarify? I guess I'm seeing the potential to incorporate the gtab into my work at the lab. Let just say we're a bunch of engineers trying to act like IT programmers. Why hire an honest to god programmer when you could have your engineers lose sleep over trying to program the machines?
So, please could you stop giving me single sentence answers? If I get the gtab will I be able to use it to write, debug, compile, etc. java codes? We've been doing our own things with java and it's too late to switch to something else. I'm sure it's possible, I'm just having trouble finding the answer in search as it seems noone has ever brought this up before. Ever.
Would the following be what I'm looking for?
http://www.getjar.com/mobile/38541/java-programming-for-android-os-all/

So, I take it that it is not possible to write, debug, and compile java code on an android tablet?

goodintentions said:
So, I take it that it is not possible to write, debug, and compile java code on an android tablet?
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I did mis-understand you initial post on my first reply.
Now that I understand you question, I'm a bit baffled as to 'Why?'
A tablet just doesn't seem to be a very conducive platform to entering and compiling code.
I don't know about any development tools meant to run on android directly. But there are people running ubuntu on their tablets.

Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
I did mis-understand you initial post on my first reply.
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I don't understand how you could have misunderstood my original post. Here it is.
I said, and I quote:
First of all, when I searched for doing programming on an android device, I got a kazillion results on programming an android app. I don't want that. Currently, what are the languages that I can write and compile on an android device? Is java one of these?
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I don't how else I can make it clearer. I'm an engineer, not an idiot. A simple google search turned up millions of links to how to manage android projects on a pc. Why in the world would I be asking this? And I even said I google searched and it turned up nothing.
Now that I understand you question, I'm a bit baffled as to 'Why?'
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For the sake of convienience... and to baffle my colleagues.
I don't know about any development tools meant to run on android directly. But there are people running ubuntu on their tablets.
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The whole point of having a tablet is its light weight and the touch screen. I'd like to be able to take it to meetings, take notes with a stylus, show colleagues basic autocad drawings, write and debug java codes for some of our projects, etc. This is not to say I want to use it as my main device. I will still be using either my laptop or my desktop for my projects, but having something like the viewsonic gtab to carry around and do these things seem cool to me.
I'm just baffled why there hasn't been an app development to run/compile java code on the android OS.

Here is a Online IDE that works pretty good (not for java): http://www.coderun.com/ide/
Or
This one will let you compile and run just about anything including java: http://ideone.com/

Sure glad I tried to help.
Prick.

Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
Sure glad I tried to help.
Prick.
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Yes, I'm a prick. I fully admit this. This attitude came from years of experience with 1337s online. When I first started getting into linux, and this was back in the days when there was no visual interface for installation and you had to type in a dozen commands for every step of the way while it asks you for the specific models of your peripherals, I searched for several days on solutions pertaining to a problem I ran into. After being fairly confident that there was no answer to it, I signed into a linux forum and asked about it. I got a couple one-liner answers that made no sense, a couple answers that assumed I was an idiot so they answered the wrong thing, and half a dozen "you're an idiot, go away" answers.
My first rule of thumb is if you could interpret a person's question at least 2 ways, then without further info assume the interpretation that doesn't include assuming the other person is an idiot. And this is for an obscure question. My original post clearly stated I was talking about debuging and compiling java on the android tablet itself. I specifically worded my question like that because I knew people were going to assume I was talking about the thing you assumed.
This 1337 attitude online is getting old.

the3dman said:
Here is a Online IDE that works pretty good (not for java): http://www.coderun.com/ide/
Or
This one will let you compile and run just about anything including java: http://ideone.com/
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Thanks. I guess this is what I will have to go with for now. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has thought of this before. Surely, if you could run it on a linux distro such as ubuntu, then I'm sure it's possible to do the same thing on a different OS that runs on the same processor. Why in the world hasn't anyone come up with this yet?

goodintentions said:
Why in the world hasn't anyone come up with this yet?
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Sounds like its up to you to save the day!

adampdx said:
Sounds like its up to you to save the day!
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I'm a materials/structural engineer who's an amateur programmer. I practically live in my lab. Sure, the other engineers often look at my programming work with oohs and aahs, but I assure you they look like something put together by an idiot if you're a software engineer. Something like this is several miles above my head. Most of my work look like spaghetti code anyway.

goodintentions said:
I'm just baffled why there hasn't been an app development to run/compile java code on the android OS.
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B/c any real programmer would probably blow a hole in his head trying to write/debug code on a tablet.

HKChad said:
B/c any real programmer would probably blow a hole in his head trying to write/debug code on a tablet.
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The same could be said about autocad, and yet there is an autocad app for it, given that the capabilities are limited.

[Q] Help choosing apps

Hy everyone, this is my first post. Im a recent owner of a TF300T, and I work in Game Development. I use Visual Studio 2012, Blender, GIMP, and DirectX. I wanted to know what apps could I get, what do you guys recomend. I dont know exactly whats on the market today. For example, a remote debugger would be great, to give an example.
Thanks in advance.

pachesantiago said:
Hy everyone, this is my first post. Im a recent owner of a TF300T, and I work in Game Development. I use Visual Studio 2012, Blender, GIMP, and DirectX. I wanted to know what apps could I get, what do you guys recomend. I dont know exactly whats on the market today. For example, a remote debugger would be great, to give an example.
Thanks in advance.
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Biggest debug used is Logcat. Most of the time set up along with eclipse IDE for Java.

kd8bny said:
Biggest debug used is Logcat. Most of the time set up along with eclipse IDE for Java.
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Thanks for that, gonna check it out, but i think theres a small confussion. I don't develop for android, I develop for windows.
PS: I code in C++ 11 and DirectX 11

pachesantiago said:
Thanks for that, gonna check it out, but i think theres a small confussion. I don't develop for android, I develop for windows.
PS: I code in C++ 11 and DirectX 11
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Because you said you worked as a developer, I guessed you wanted apps that could aid you with that.
So here are a few that I could think of:
Air Display: use your tablet as a second monitor. Maybe you can display log info in that screen. I haven't tested this one, but heard it works well.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.avatron.airdisplay
Team Viewer: allows you to access your computer from your tablet, so it could be useful in a situation you only have your tablet and want to get things done.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teamviewer.teamviewer.market.mobile
Space Draw: it's a 3D modeling program for Android. Never used it myself, so I am not sure how it works.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.scalisoft.spacedraw
SketchBook Pro for Tablets: tool for drawing on the go. I like this application a lot.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.adsk.sketchbookhd
If you want recommendations of apps for other applications, you can try to search the web for lists of must have apps.
Here is a good example:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/12/must-have-apps-for-your-new-android-tablet/

[App] paint.net 3.01

Paint.NET does work on my Surface RT.
i re-compiled Paint.NET source code 3.01 with Microsoft.NET Framework 4.0 and removed some extra files.
Paint.NET supports 7 languages translations, you can change language at 'Help' -> 'Language' Sub Menu.
you can download zip file for Paint.NET 3.01 Windows.RT tested.
i'm new user of this thread, i can't write url direct.
please visit bellow url with internet browser.
dudusoft.co.kr/paintnet

attached
I've attached your binaries and the ones I've built from http://code.google.com/p/openpdn/
Thanks for the port!!! Great tool!
Cheers!

If only MinGW for RT was available, GIMP ftw.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
If only MinGW for RT was available, GIMP ftw.
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The only thing holding gimp back is GTK...
And the only thing holding GTK back is libffi...
I've got all the other bits ported for the most part. MinGW isn't needed for gimp

You'r a god. I was looking for this a lot of time!.
Thank you x 1000!

bfosterjr said:
I've attached your binaries and the ones I've built from http://code.google.com/p/openpdn/
Thanks for the port!!! Great tool!
Cheers!
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Thanks to both of you! :good:
I wasn't able to get 3.36 going, I received this error:
Paint.NET has detected that some important installation files are missing. If you click the Repair button it will attempt to repair this and then continue loading.
The missing files are: FileTypes\DdsFileType.dll
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Anyone have the courage to contact Rick Brewster, the author? He is bringing out version 4.0 soon which has improved performance, so it could run quite nicely on our RT computers. Previously, he has declined any requests to do with the source, but he recently got a Surface tablet so perhaps his opinion could be swayed. However, he does work for Microsoft...

lloydo said:
Thanks to both of you! :good:
I wasn't able to get 3.36 going, I received this error:
Anyone have the courage to contact Rick Brewster, the author? He is bringing out version 4.0 soon which has improved performance, so it could run quite nicely on our RT computers. Previously, he has declined any requests to do with the source, but he recently got a Surface tablet so perhaps his opinion could be swayed. However, he does work for Microsoft...
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The native code library is what's keeping it from running. Unless that gets ported by the original author there's no chance.
It seems he has a surface pro, so I'm not sure that would really increase his interest in RT. I guess there's no harm in asking though.

There is a feature missing unfortunately.
Normally i'm able to select the behavior of the selection tools; Add, Remove, Invert XOR, Replace (default)
This option does not exist and it's a pretty big loss for me

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"This app can't run on you pc" notepad++ and a few others wondering why this wont

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OnbekendV said:
Hi,
Are you using Windows 8.1 RT? If yes, go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/general/windows-8-1-rt-jailbreak-exploit-t3226835. Are you using Windows 8.0 RT? Go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092158. Good luck.
Regards,
OnbekendV
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8.1 already ran the new exploit, other signed apps work just not this one no idea why.

does anyone have newer paint.net version for rt?
Edit1:I just change time to 2013 and now 3.36 work and I install psd plugin on that
but didnt work

Question, is there any place to find surface rt app, beside the store? like a repository. thanks.