I am in the process of starting a small firm to create Android applications. Not being a programmer myself, I have no idea what kind of engineer we need to create vacancies for.
So, what are the languages necessary to program for Android?
ftgg99 said:
So, what are the languages necessary to program for Android?
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I've read that for apps, you need to learn Java, and for Kernels learn C.
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As a business owner here is something that might interest you as you will be able to develop cross platform - DragonRad.
Getting ready to try it myself. Best of luck with your search and your new firm ftgg99.
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Only drawback I can see is Windoze based only as far as building...use of app is cross platform
Thank you, looks very interesting!
DragonRAD is for building data-driven apps. If you're looking to mobilize your existing back-office data, then DragonRAD is for you. But if you're looking to build games, or 'consumer-type' applications, it may not be. Hope that helps!
Android applications are mainly coded in Java but i believe can also be coded in C++
Although, if you're going to be developing cross platform (iphone, symbian, etc.) you'll need people who can code in a range of different languages.
First of all, when I searched for doing programming on an android device, I got a kazillion results on programming an android app. I don't want that. Currently, what are the languages that I can write and compile on an android device? Is java one of these?
I've always wondered why noone has posted a static gcc build for android. gcc g++ gcj, they all should cross compile. You might have to enable swap to use them though.
Android basically runs Java. That's the simple answer.
You might find some interesting reading on Eclipse with the google plugins.
If WYSIWYG/RAD environments are more to your liking, check out the "google app inventor."
goodintentions said:
First of all, when I searched for doing programming on an android device, I got a kazillion results on programming an android app. I don't want that. Currently, what are the languages that I can write and compile on an android device? Is java one of these?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=613
Um, guys, I said I don't care about building apps. I wanted to know if I could write and compile java on an android tablet.
Not quite java...
First, Android doesn't *quite* run Java. It runs Dalvik. That's a tweaked version of Java to help google not use the lawsuit with Sun/Oracle. There's a preprocessor you have to run over he Java bytecodes to get Dalvik code. This is why you can't simply port (or rather, build, given that there's a Linux under there) gcj and use it as is - you need the jvm->Dalvik translator.
The good news is - that runs on Android. There's a Clojure (a JVM/.net language) port for android that uses that translator to run code. While it's not up to building production code, it's fine for writing/testing code on android. I assume the JRuby port also uses it.
If all you're interested in is programming on a g tab, there's lots of options, most notably Google SL4A package (python, ruby, beanshell, sh - I think). But you can find Scheme, BrainF*ck, Pascal, Basic, etc. No Java, but I found at least three languages that run on the Dalvik VM (Clojure, JRuby, and Frink) that let you access some or all of the Android APIs. If you want to explore the Android APIs, one of these will probably work.
Finally, there's IDEDroid. That runs locally, but looks like it exports the compile and execution to their web server. It has support for lots (and lots and lots) of languages - including Java. If you just want edit/run small programs to play with the language, this might be just the ticket. I think I'm going to install it so I can play with haskell....
I wonder. Why in the world hasn't anyone developed a way to write and compile java code on android?
GNU has gcj, I'm fairly certain the same tools you use to compile a kernel would work to make an ARM/Android version.
muqali said:
GNU has gcj, I'm fairly certain the same tools you use to compile a kernel would work to make an ARM/Android version.
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Could you please clarify? I guess I'm seeing the potential to incorporate the gtab into my work at the lab. Let just say we're a bunch of engineers trying to act like IT programmers. Why hire an honest to god programmer when you could have your engineers lose sleep over trying to program the machines?
So, please could you stop giving me single sentence answers? If I get the gtab will I be able to use it to write, debug, compile, etc. java codes? We've been doing our own things with java and it's too late to switch to something else. I'm sure it's possible, I'm just having trouble finding the answer in search as it seems noone has ever brought this up before. Ever.
Would the following be what I'm looking for?
http://www.getjar.com/mobile/38541/java-programming-for-android-os-all/
So, I take it that it is not possible to write, debug, and compile java code on an android tablet?
goodintentions said:
So, I take it that it is not possible to write, debug, and compile java code on an android tablet?
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I did mis-understand you initial post on my first reply.
Now that I understand you question, I'm a bit baffled as to 'Why?'
A tablet just doesn't seem to be a very conducive platform to entering and compiling code.
I don't know about any development tools meant to run on android directly. But there are people running ubuntu on their tablets.
Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
I did mis-understand you initial post on my first reply.
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I don't understand how you could have misunderstood my original post. Here it is.
I said, and I quote:
First of all, when I searched for doing programming on an android device, I got a kazillion results on programming an android app. I don't want that. Currently, what are the languages that I can write and compile on an android device? Is java one of these?
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I don't how else I can make it clearer. I'm an engineer, not an idiot. A simple google search turned up millions of links to how to manage android projects on a pc. Why in the world would I be asking this? And I even said I google searched and it turned up nothing.
Now that I understand you question, I'm a bit baffled as to 'Why?'
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For the sake of convienience... and to baffle my colleagues.
I don't know about any development tools meant to run on android directly. But there are people running ubuntu on their tablets.
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The whole point of having a tablet is its light weight and the touch screen. I'd like to be able to take it to meetings, take notes with a stylus, show colleagues basic autocad drawings, write and debug java codes for some of our projects, etc. This is not to say I want to use it as my main device. I will still be using either my laptop or my desktop for my projects, but having something like the viewsonic gtab to carry around and do these things seem cool to me.
I'm just baffled why there hasn't been an app development to run/compile java code on the android OS.
Here is a Online IDE that works pretty good (not for java): http://www.coderun.com/ide/
Or
This one will let you compile and run just about anything including java: http://ideone.com/
Sure glad I tried to help.
Prick.
Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
Sure glad I tried to help.
Prick.
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Yes, I'm a prick. I fully admit this. This attitude came from years of experience with 1337s online. When I first started getting into linux, and this was back in the days when there was no visual interface for installation and you had to type in a dozen commands for every step of the way while it asks you for the specific models of your peripherals, I searched for several days on solutions pertaining to a problem I ran into. After being fairly confident that there was no answer to it, I signed into a linux forum and asked about it. I got a couple one-liner answers that made no sense, a couple answers that assumed I was an idiot so they answered the wrong thing, and half a dozen "you're an idiot, go away" answers.
My first rule of thumb is if you could interpret a person's question at least 2 ways, then without further info assume the interpretation that doesn't include assuming the other person is an idiot. And this is for an obscure question. My original post clearly stated I was talking about debuging and compiling java on the android tablet itself. I specifically worded my question like that because I knew people were going to assume I was talking about the thing you assumed.
This 1337 attitude online is getting old.
the3dman said:
Here is a Online IDE that works pretty good (not for java): http://www.coderun.com/ide/
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This one will let you compile and run just about anything including java: http://ideone.com/
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Thanks. I guess this is what I will have to go with for now. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has thought of this before. Surely, if you could run it on a linux distro such as ubuntu, then I'm sure it's possible to do the same thing on a different OS that runs on the same processor. Why in the world hasn't anyone come up with this yet?
goodintentions said:
Why in the world hasn't anyone come up with this yet?
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Sounds like its up to you to save the day!
adampdx said:
Sounds like its up to you to save the day!
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I'm a materials/structural engineer who's an amateur programmer. I practically live in my lab. Sure, the other engineers often look at my programming work with oohs and aahs, but I assure you they look like something put together by an idiot if you're a software engineer. Something like this is several miles above my head. Most of my work look like spaghetti code anyway.
goodintentions said:
I'm just baffled why there hasn't been an app development to run/compile java code on the android OS.
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B/c any real programmer would probably blow a hole in his head trying to write/debug code on a tablet.
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B/c any real programmer would probably blow a hole in his head trying to write/debug code on a tablet.
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The same could be said about autocad, and yet there is an autocad app for it, given that the capabilities are limited.
Does anyone have a mirror for this? It seems some people already have it from the comments on the techcrunch article:
http://www.crunchgear.com/2011/04/0...s-on-your-windows-pc-you-can-with-bluestacks/
Want To Run Android Apps On Your Windows PC? You Can With BlueStacks.
by Nicholas Deleon on April 5, 2011
There’s nothing new about virtualization software, per se, but BlueStacks might be worth checking out. It brings the Android operating system to Windows-based computers via a virtualization layer, much like how you can run Windows “inside” your Mac using Parallels. Why, exactly, you’d want to run Android “inside” your Windows PC, I’m not exactly sure, but there’s nothing inherently wrong with giving it a go.
Like I said, it’s not too hard to understand what’s going on here. BlueStacks gives you the ability to launch Android like you’d launch any other Windows application; it’s not a dual-boot solution. Once it’s up and running, your BlueStack’d Android behaves just another other Android experience.
The idea, I suppose, is to give you the ability to run Android apps on your Windows PC without having to have an Android mobile device (or tablet). Exactly what those apps would be is my question: what’s available on Android that you can’t a Windows equivalent? I’m all ears here.
But again, it sounds like a fun little thing you’d do to play with on the weekends.
Let’s not forget that there’s also the Android-x86 project, but that’s probably not as easy to get up and running.
If there’s a problem with BlueStacks, nearest I can tell, is that their Web site seems to be all wonk’d out right now. The little Flash animation&mdas;I’d like to reiterate how much of a pain in the neck Flash is—doesn’t respond properly when you click the download link. It’s kinda hard to give this thing a whirl if you can’t download it.
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Anyone hear anything new, working on building a new mediapc, and would love to use this with plex and hulu if its out there somewhere
Waiting on a beta invite myself.
They're certainly taking their sweet time on this one...
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They're certainly taking their sweet time on this one...
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It's a great idea. Just hope they can bring it out ASAP and don't charge my ass off it.
Hi Guys,
a complete noobie question, but i have tried looking.
How do you guys write the code for the apps you create.
I found some threads (linked) that say i need visual studio and i write them in C....
and then i need a CAB writer to get them on to my device.. Is this all ? How would you do stuff like integrate the touch screen into what you do or get info of the web etc...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=234387
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=785427
I'm an oracle dba so i'm not adverse to learning how this works but i'm pretty old school age wise so i wonder how some of you guys got started and into this.
Thanks in advance for any responses.
bump. I would love to hear some shortcuts and the a quick how-to on developing from some of the great devs we have on here.
You need the android sdk for starters and eclipse 3.5 galileo. Theme guide in my signature shows how to set them up. Writing apps will be done in java not c. A majority of the android os is done in java as well with a mid later of jni linking to a lower level of c for very few things such as hardware. Search online when it comes to app development theres plenty of resources
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Sweet, cheers dude. I'll get on it.
Hey Guys (and Gals),
I've been in the tech scene for a while, rooting and unlocking android/softmodding psps and xboxs for fun. However recently I wanted to contribute to the scene, and I'm kind of in a dilemma. I want to make a few apps, nothing crazy ambitious just learn how to. Though I'm not sure what platform to do it on. I am kind of torn about doing it on Android or doing it on the Windows marketplace. I want the simplest setup, (i have 2 windows 7 computers, and a htc rezound and toshiba thrive and tf300). I took a college course on C++ but it didn't even touch on guis or go that far in depth. So basically I am starting from scratch either way.
I like android and have a few pieces from them, but I feel as windows is just getting a start it would be a good chance to start also. Furthermore what language is best for each platform? I have heard java for android, but heard a c type program is overtaking, and html and javascript for windows. Any input is greatly appreciated
adamsaur said:
Hey Guys (and Gals),
I've been in the tech scene for a while, rooting and unlocking android/softmodding psps and xboxs for fun. However recently I wanted to contribute to the scene, and I'm kind of in a dilemma. I want to make a few apps, nothing crazy ambitious just learn how to. Though I'm not sure what platform to do it on. I am kind of torn about doing it on Android or doing it on the Windows marketplace. I want the simplest setup, (i have 2 windows 7 computers, and a htc rezound and toshiba thrive and tf300). I took a college course on C++ but it didn't even touch on guis or go that far in depth. So basically I am starting from scratch either way.
I like android and have a few pieces from them, but I feel as windows is just getting a start it would be a good chance to start also. Furthermore what language is best for each platform? I have heard java for android, but heard a c type program is overtaking, and html and javascript for windows. Any input is greatly appreciated
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Woo! Somewhere I can be helpful.
I'd recommend researching a few game engines / frameworks. For example, check out Marmalade SDK (google madewithmarmalade), it's a cross-platform game engine that will abstract your game from the hardware it's running on.
I'd also suggest sticking with c/c++, it's probably the most versatile, and you'll be able to use it with Android, and iOS (and I believe the new Windows 8 mobile platform).
Hope that helps!
Jamie W said:
Woo! Somewhere I can be helpful.
I'd recommend researching a few game engines / frameworks. For example, check out Marmalade SDK (google madewithmarmalade), it's a cross-platform game engine that will abstract your game from the hardware it's running on.
I'd also suggest sticking with c/c++, it's probably the most versatile, and you'll be able to use it with Android, and iOS (and I believe the new Windows 8 mobile platform).
Hope that helps!
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thanks, ill definitely look that up, any suggestions for tutorials on using c++ with android/windows?