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Ever since I spent a huge chunk of money on getting my HD shipped to the US I've been a bit disappointed with it. I'm also slowly becoming disenchanted with Windows Mobile.
I've played around with my fiance's iPhone and I'm not too impressed with that either.
So Android seems like the next big adventure for me to dive into! Especially since I can get a Captivate for $90 with a new contract. Hard to pass that up. Sure beats spending $700 or whatever it was that I spent getting this unlocked Blackstone. *sigh*
I've seen many threads here stating pros and cons, often times with conflicting accounts from different users. The biggest complaints I see are the GPS issue and the lack of Froyo. Well, I could care less about GPS, and I'm pretty confident that Froyo will arrive sooner or later from either Samsung or the geniuses in this community.
So does anyone have any experience of moving from the Touch HD to this phone? Was it like having an epiphany or just a ho-hum upgrade?
How about going from WinMo to Android? I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty and experiment with new things. I've tried so many ROMs and apps on my HD that I think that won't be an issue.
I upgraded from an HTC Fuze. Here are my thoughts:
WinMo is slow, ugly as butt (including most of the blackberry "look alike" roms), people care way too much about touch features even tho the screen is designed for a stylus, horrible mobile browsing, zero apps i care about, and its a dead platform.
Android, I can back because its fast, actively developed, I can actually develop an app for it without going through microsoft's embedded framework or god forbid win32, interface is modern and usable, looks amazing without the god awful ugly roms, etc.
All in all I should have upgraded sooner, the HTC Fuze is a pile of yesterdays garbage and the Captivate has my full praise.
To provide an alternative viewpoint (some fo these problems are captivate some _might_ be android)
The captivate for one reason or another fails with fundamental tasks that WinMo has done for ages, custom ringtones, copy / paste an address from email (not gmail) to an appointment, heck copy / paste an appointment. GPS...sigh...uninstalling messaging leaves the system playing two ringtones for each sms. Synching of contacts / calendar / tasks that are NOT gmail...USB connections to back ports only...And coming from an HD, having Sense....I feel like I have taken a huge step backwards.
Now on to what I like...the captivate has a stunning display, runs fast and I am sure the android platform will outlast winmo and has or will have a larger developer base. It is the future (This is the reason upgraded). Handcent sms. And eventually the HUGE oversights on this phone will be fixed by the people here. I'll just have to buy another $50 to $100 in widgets that came with my HD.
All in all I dont regret my decision, I just wonder if it was pre-mature.
I went from a Touch HD to Touch HD2 to the Captivate and I am quite happy with the decision. I do miss the larger screen and ability to use my ps3 controller for games and emulators. I also miss the ability to use a stylus when I so desire. However, I feel that the decision was wise because the captivate has a beautiful screen and performance definitely blows winmo out of the water. Also, winmo 6.5 and below is pretty much a dead OS now anyways. The graphics performance of the captivate also blows the HD and HD2 out of the water. I am sure the captivate will only get better when 2.2 is inevitably released.
I cannot comment on the GPS problems because I have not used GPS. And even with the "lag" that the captivate experiences in comparison to some other android phones, it is completely unnoticeable in comparison to WinoMo. The device flies.
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I have had many windows mobile devices in my life time. Also had the Touch HD and the HD2 along with the Fuze, Tilt 2 etc.
I absolutely love my Samsung Captivate. It's about time that Samsung stepped up there game and made a device to gloat about. Though I still have my HD2 and that by far is the best windows mobile device bar non. The screen size difference between the HD2 and the Captivate is negligible. 4.3" to 4" is not that big of difference because the AMOLED screen is amazing to look at. In my opinion even better than the iPhone 4 screen.
As far as the GPS. I don't have any issues with it. I use GPS test (from the marketplace) and I am able to get a signal lock in about 5-10 seconds when I am outside no problem. This is without making any changes to the GPS or doing the so called GPS fix.
I know that I read on engadget about Samsung says there is a "fix" for the GPS in the near future. In my opinion Samsung is looking out for the customer more than HTC is.
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Samsung is looking out for the customer more than HTC is.
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I concur.
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I love my captivate so much that if i could, i would marry it =D
i bumped up from a fuze. Getting this phone was like clearing up a life long constipation.
Awesome, thanks for the insight everyone. Including some downsides. They definitely don't seem like deal breakers for me though.
I'm sure there are other people on the fence too, so maybe this will tip them to one side or the other.
I would also like to add that I was quite surprised with the different camera modes. The low light shots look really great. I was personally never a fan of LED flashes on phones anyways (besides being a ridiculously good flashlight on my HD2).
I switched from the htc hd to iphone 3gs and now the captivate. The best thing about the touch hd that the other phones cannot beat in my opinion was the gps. It would get a lock very quickly due to the sirfstar iii chip in the phone and would rarely lose lock no matter what speed I was traveling at.
The iphone is the best for game apps since it has more developers and therefore more choices in the app store.
I missed the big screen of my touch hd and wanted better quality which is why I got the captivate. Compare the touch hd video playback to one on the iphone or captivate and you'll see that the touch hd is more washed out due to the 65k limit.
In my opinion android is kind of like windows mobile where you have chefs cooking different roms and the ability to customize all parts of your phone to make it better than it was stock. The iphone allows something like this as well but makes it more difficult as everything is on cydia and doesn't have a well known forum like xda to turn to for help (but then mb I never looked hard enuf)
Basically the captivate feels more of an upgrade from my touch hd than my iphone
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I have a tytnII that I can't stand anymore. I was considering the EVO4G GSm version when it arrives, but it didn't impress me (specifically the screen quality) so onwards I go. Iphone 4 seems like the most normal phone visually, but I don't want to give steve any money so for a defective phone so i'm waiting. There is nothing out there I would be happy to buy..nothing even to consider..
When will the following speced phones come out?:
-720p screen 4"+
-1080p video capture or excellent quality 720p. HDMI out.
-a quality 10mp+ camera
-1.5ghz or dual core cpu's or tegra 2. it seems no matter that a ghz cpu is in phones today there's horrible lag..iphone uses a weaker cpu and has almost no lag..Something I can't understand.
Iphone has an excellent GPU, and uses it to make scrolling, tabs, etc more realistic, and faster.
Sadly, the tytn2 has a very fast GPU, without drivers. Skrew htc for that. Some guys at htcclassaction tried to develop 3d acceleration for it but nobody has ever seen the full untapped potential of the tytn2.
That's why the iphone can run games really fast.
Wm phones also have a tendency of slowing down the more you use them, you know - usually 3rd party programs do not clean up well after a big mess in they create in the registry
Did you try installing VanilJ's Android Eclair to your kaiser? no lag on that, and it works great. And dont forget you can overclock it to 486mhz.(rogue tools)
As for a new phone with those specs.... forget it lol, Get a netbook if you want that kind of thing. for now.
Technically speaking, Qualcomm HAS developed new system-on-a-chips, capable of most of your desired specs.
Here's an interview with Qualcomm about the new processors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCOD59yh0dY
My speculation: There is no doubt these phones will come out, every company wants the biggest, baddest m-effer out there. It will be in the early months of next year, MAYBE around February(?). Nobody really knows though.
I've never used an iphone before and my brother who is a diehard htc fan(and previous very anti iphone) HD2/HD touch, now uses the iphone and is waiting for stock to get an iphone 4. I might get his iphone 3gs.
screw HTC for lack of driver for the TYTNII is 100% correct which really makes me think twice before I would go with an HTC product again. the classaction was a waste of time. Nothing came out of it..what a shame. there was a huge push but nothing moved..
Microsoft had 10 years to be the leader and develop the crap OS and now the fact theyre loosing sales is something they deserve. I hope WP7 fails. windows mobile- no more for me..never again.
Android has a lot of potential but the fact that there's no standard between phones is a problem, and it shows. I mean look at these people slapping 1ghz cpus in and still lag. iphone is the smoothest running phone out there, hands down no argument whatsoever. It's optimized to run with those specific hardware specs and it just works, and it does it VERY well. almost no lag, and gaming like on a PSP..amazing. But like I said I'm not giving steve money for an antenna defect and iphones that overheat and light on fire.
I will take a look at the android rom..do you happen to have a link for the rom/rogue tools? I'm a bit scared to flash my phone but have been really interested in doing it for a while now. I'll have to get my Nokia n86 unlocked so I can have a phone if I brick mine.
btw, didn't motorola say they would put out a phone by the end of the year with these specs? I mean the tech is there, what's holding these companies from not slapping a tegra2/dual cpu in a phone for full performance?
look at all the phones, all 720p video /5mp /1ghz/ hdmi /400x800 but none are lookers- all the same performers with horrible lag.
The sony x10 was the one that took the first step with the above specs I think, and it's the one I followed closely but it took them forever to release it and they lost momentum. IMO it's a big failure. Also those who bought the x10 will get an android 2.1 update 6 months after..can you believe that..by the time they release 2.1, 2.2 will be out before.
Then the evo popped up, but seeing it's screen compared to the iphone 4 made me realize it's not all that. Also the video and camera are worse than the iphone. HTC is always lacking in the camera dept IMO.
I did kinda looked into the Dell streak but with the HORRIBLE lag I realize dell has great things to come..dell is a dying company..check this review:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3853/the-dell-streak-review/1
read "the performance problem" reminds me exactly of my tytnII.
How the hell is this..a 1 ghz processor, the product isn't even released and it has horrible performance issues..don't these retarded companies test these products beforehand and say this lag is unacceptable? there's nothing more that gets me fired up then waiting 3 seconds for the tytnII to cancel a phone. I press the button 7-10 times but it has all the time in the world..it's right then I want to smash the phone to the floor.
I did consider the Nokia N8 at 1 time but the screen spec turned me away really quick.
I did look at Samsungs I9000 but it too is a disappointment with the lag it has.
I guess if Apple would fix the overheating/antenna issue I will go with them, otherwise I'll wait and see if I can flash my tytn to android and will wait. The day I get a new phone I'm video myself smashing the phone against the wall and sending it to HTC with a bag of my dogs poop inside..I'm not kidding.
Give me a tegra2 phone and stand back..
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HA HA..nice..
I used an iPhone 2g for the longest time on T-Mobile's EDGE network...I liked it because the music player was so nicely integrated into the device. I also liked how effortless the syncing was with iTunes, and most of the development/hacking was mac based. But then a guy named "planetbeing" ported android to it...and, well, here I am.
I'm now using a nexus one, and I'm actually pretty damn pleased with it, if I do say so myself . iOS may have been prettier, but I love the Android UI...Widgets, open-source...
The best part about the nexus is having Google's lovechild in me pocket...Early OTA updates, a HUGE community base, etc...
Iphones the only real option out there today, and I hate apple..I won't give in an buy a defective phone where the only thing he's willing to do (steve, at least be sincere about offering the dumb bumpers, and don't act like youre doing youre customers a favor..btw, haven't you ever heard of a recall?) is offer a stupid piece of plastic which ruins the aesthetics of the phone..
well like you and Malt said, I will have to wait..I'm hoping something around november will come..
untill you get your future phone....
remember, the tytn2 slows down if you install loads of crap on it. I downloaded a program called clean ram which helps a bit, but nothing beats a nice clean hard reset. If you install a program, then uninstall it, it WILL STILL HELP SLOW DOWN YOUR MOBILE. It adds up. Only with a hard reset can this be resolved.
You can download rogue tools on the android market, once you got it installed, it works nice.
VanilJ's android rom works really good for the kaiser, with the exception that the camera, and any other programs that use it, don't work. But believe me, it's a price veeeeeeeery well payed. Once you flush it, you won't be sorry.
Speaking of 3d drivers, android has opengl acceleration. And it's very good. I played quake3 multiplayer 30fps on my kaiser vs my brother on it( on lowest settings, but hey )
After 1 month using this rom however, it also started slowing down. So here are some of my suggestions.
1. Don't install unnecessary crap widgets. Each one will slow down your tytn2. I still use Calendar(Agenda widget), email, DigiClock and News though. Theyre just too usefull! ^^
2. It will basically turn your kaiser into a toy to show off to your friends. Sure its really cool and fast. But as for buisness there is NO outlook contacts/ calendar support, and once you leave windows mobile you will realize how comfortable your calendar was, and you will (don't quote me ) suddenly start to miss active sync. lol yeah. It was the only thing microsoft got right. Sort of.
But anyway, there is an alternative, it syncs through google contacts, gmail etc.
It is far worse than activesync, considering that you always need internet access, and that you are providing google with your business info. The appointments etc don't show up on the main screen without widgets. You will miss your calendar's colours and features :\
3. If it gets unreliable, drop your tytn2 at a height of 400metres, and it should all work fine again.
Anyway, on the whole I am pleased with it. You will be amazed if you try it.
And one more very important thing - hold the internet explorer button to switch between programs. press it to go to home. took me a week to figure out.
I know for a lot of average phone users, the argument is always, "Apple is so much easier to use!" It's understandable why people claim it's easier with Apple's focus on simplicity, unchanged UI, and locked down user environment on their OS. I've been using the latest jellybean and I'm trying to be as fair as possible giving my opinion for a non-techie/average phone user. I really think that Nexus (pure Android) is now as simplistic as iOS. Yes, there is a file system on android and other additional features, but average phone users mostly only explore home screens and other basic features. Jellybean UI only has the on-screen three navigation buttons with the three dot menu access either located at the top right of bottom right.
Apple only has the home button, but some times the back button is located in different areas of an app or to access shortcuts, you have to click the home button a certain amount of times which can not be very user friendly for people that just want to 'see' the button to access what they want. I've been using my parents' phones (HTC EVO 4G) and I agree gingerbread or other older android versions for that matter are hard to use for an average user. There's too many navigation buttons, phone's touch input is bad, plenty of needed improvements on an unsupported android version, and gingerbread is slow. I believe new comers can adapt very easily to Jellybean; everything is fast, fluid, attractive, and has become much more simplistic for setting up or accessing everyday features on the phone.
What do you guys think? Have you convinced family or friends to convert to the Nexus line of Android?
Ive been trying so hard to convert my gf from her icrap... Geez she had a droid bionic before i knew her but that had old gingerbread and skinned with blur(the worst ui for android) aosp or nexus is way to go
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Ive been trying so hard to convert my gf from her icrap... Geez she had a droid bionic before i knew her but that had old gingerbread and skinned with blur(the worst ui for android) aosp or nexus is way to go
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Yeah. I need to sit down with some people who own iPhones and just show them side-by-side everyday tasks on Nexus (aosp). For example, telling them to show you how to attach a photo to a text message and then showing how to do it on Android. It's virtually the same and everything is much nicer on Android.
I'll say up front that I've owned Apple products and would consider doing so again.
iOS is a flaming heap of crap when it comes to the UI. It was what the user-base needed when smartphones where new, but we have so much more functionality now that it's ridiculous not to integrate it.
iOS is that person that still thinks it's the 1980s. Really garish and outdated, but not old enough to be classic and cool - or at least make people smile at how quaint it seems. It's everyone in Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days - those people that had an awesome time in high-school and now can't think of anything else.
I understand wanting to keep things the same for "non-tech" people who don't want to learn a new system every time they get a new phone. This is why they need to integrate small changes and improvements over time and teach people how to use them by explaining in a tutorial/greeting on the phone. I feel that Google does a very good job of that.
3/4 of my parents and step-parents have Android devices - and they have all picked it up pretty quickly.
My mom has a dumbphone on which she doesn't text and probably uses less than five minutes a month and still asks me how to attach files in an e-mail. I helped her pick out, buy, and set-up a TF700. She seems to be doing really well with it - a lot of people I've spoken with feel that an Android tablet is more "tech n00b" friendly than even a traditional computer - it's simple, everything is easy-to-find (and you usually don't need to go mucking around in the file-system), and you can reach out and touch what you want to do which is more natural for many than using the mouse.
She originally was thinking of an iPad, but it honestly wasn't the best choice for her. She needed a good camera (work-related) and the iPads that were in her price-range didn't have very great ones - and having a microSD card slot means that she doesn't have to worry about her video-recording taking up too much internal space even if she forgets to delete them when she's done. And she has the processing power and RAM that what she does isn't skipping and struggling when going back and forth through frames of HD video (something she specifically mentioned being worried about).
I think she would have been fine with an iPad, but she didn't have the budget for a newer one. Android offers options, customisation, and competition. Manufacturers are willing to take chances and try new things that might fail - whereas Apple plays it safe. I give credit to Apple for being the force to really push tablets into the mainstream - I just hope that iOS can get some much-needed innovation.
I believe my friend's "tech impaired" mom got an S3 and is doing fine. Touchwiz might be more bloated than Stock, but it does a pretty good job of being simple and teaching new users how to use it without overwhelming them. I think Samsung has done a great job with the S3 and their push behind it - offering something that appeals to many users and many different needs, allowing everyone to get what they want out of it. To me, that's what Android is all about - options, choices, and finding what's best for yourself.
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I'll say up front that I've owned Apple products and would consider doing so again.
iOS is a flaming heap of crap when it comes to the UI. It was what the user-base needed when smartphones where new, but we have so much more functionality now that it's ridiculous not to integrate it.
iOS is that person that still thinks it's the 1980s. Really garish and outdated, but not old enough to be classic and cool - or at least make people smile at how quaint it seems. It's everyone in Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days - those people that had an awesome time in high-school and now can't think of anything else.
I understand wanting to keep things the same for "non-tech" people who don't want to learn a new system every time they get a new phone. This is why they need to integrate small changes and improvements over time and teach people how to use them by explaining in a tutorial/greeting on the phone. I feel that Google does a very good job of that.
3/4 of my parents and step-parents have Android devices - and they have all picked it up pretty quickly.
My mom has a dumbphone on which she doesn't text and probably uses less than five minutes a month and still asks me how to attach files in an e-mail. I helped her pick out, buy, and set-up a TF700. She seems to be doing really well with it - a lot of people I've spoken with feel that an Android tablet is more "tech n00b" friendly than even a traditional computer - it's simple, everything is easy-to-find (and you usually don't need to go mucking around in the file-system), and you can reach out and touch what you want to do which is more natural for many than using the mouse.
She originally was thinking of an iPad, but it honestly wasn't the best choice for her. She needed a good camera (work-related) and the iPads that were in her price-range didn't have very great ones - and having a microSD card slot means that she doesn't have to worry about her video-recording taking up too much internal space even if she forgets to delete them when she's done. And she has the processing power and RAM that what she does isn't skipping and struggling when going back and forth through frames of HD video (something she specifically mentioned being worried about).
I think she would have been fine with an iPad, but she didn't have the budget for a newer one. Android offers options, customisation, and competition. Manufacturers are willing to take chances and try new things that might fail - whereas Apple plays it safe. I give credit to Apple for being the force to really push tablets into the mainstream - I just hope that iOS can get some much-needed innovation.
I believe my friend's "tech impaired" mom got an S3 and is doing fine. Touchwiz might be more bloated than Stock, but it does a pretty good job of being simple and teaching new users how to use it without overwhelming them. I think Samsung has done a great job with the S3 and their push behind it - offering something that appeals to many users and many different needs, allowing everyone to get what they want out of it. To me, that's what Android is all about - options, choices, and finding what's best for yourself.
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This post is excellent. Apple does integrate small changes in the software every year, with the same minor upgraded phone that, "Changes it all." Problem is, is their platform is not moving fast enough and every software upgrade is poorly integrated leaving lag for multitasking and the notification bar to name a few. Apple definitely started the revolutionizing of smartphones and tablets into the mainstream, but I feel like they are no longer as innovative or exciting to hear about. Android has many phones across their platform with different themed phones that can deter users to go and choose an iPhone, but like you said it also gives the user many options and customization.
How come you didn't just buy your mom a phone for hd photo/video and rendering? Tablets are kind of awkward to hold for users who want to do that. I know that Apple has more apps optimized for their tablet, but on a budget, they're not the best buy. The best buy right now is the Nexus 7 or 10, but no sd card slot. You think she would need more than 16-32gb and additional cloud storage? Many "tech-impaired" people are still able to use old android phones quite well - more than I would want to. If they could just see what newer android phones offer, they're so much easier to use and it should no longer be said that, "Apple is so much easier to use than Android!" It's simply not true anymore - especially for the Nexus (pure Android) devices I'm talking about.
Google does do a great job of user-interactive tutorials first setting up the phone. I hate to be completely biased; I've had Apple devices in the past and am around them nearly everyday. They don't have that excitement or new features that have been on Android for awhile now. Not to mention how locked down their hardware and software is - slowing down development. I've also heard recently that Apple's new approach for their devices and software, is what they feel is the best for their interest and not the communities interest. That right there completely turns me off of ever owning one of their devices and I'll continue to support Google as they're my favorite company.
Another argument you'll always hear is, "Well Apple just has so many more apps and they work better." Well, they been around longer than Android and recently Android announced they have around 675000 apps now which is nearly identical to the Apple store. Pretty impressive considering how much longer Apple has been out. Also, saying they work better is entirely not true. There's been many tests on apps on both platforms and apps perform better on newer versions of Android. I just bought a Nexus 4 for $300 off-contract featuring a quad-core cpu, 2gb ram, true hd ips+ lcd screen, and the latest purest version of android. Does it get better than that?
I've never seen anyone explain why the iPhone continues to be the hand that rocks the cradle. I've heard reports in the last few months showing that over 80% of new phones shipped were Android devices. Also cited was that Android had 51% of the market, while AOS had 41%. I think those stats were from 2Q 2014.
So why does the world shake when they announce their new OS, the iPhone 6, and the same e-pay system that Google has had in place for a while? Either the stats aren't truly accurate of the entire market or it's just more of the same media hype & fascination with iAnything.
Can anyone confidently say if Android does own the market and why the iPhone phenomenon continues?
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I've never seen anyone explain why the iPhone continues to be the hand that rocks the cradle. I've heard reports in the last few months showing that over 80% of new phones shipped were Android devices. Also cited was that Android had 51% of the market, while AOS had 41%. I think those stats were from 2Q 2014.
So why does the world shake when they announce their new OS, the iPhone 6, and the same e-pay system that Google has had in place for a while? Either the stats aren't truly accurate of the entire market or it's just more of the same media hype & fascination with iAnything.
Can anyone confidently say if Android does own the market and why the iPhone phenomenon continues?
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The iPhone wasn't the first smartphone, but it was the first one that implemented many things well for the common user.
A lot of the success of the iPhone can be traced to the success and popularity of the iPod before it, which was similarly not the first device of its kind, but a huge improvement over previous devices. People loved their iPods, so they also bought iPhones.
Because so many people adopted the iPhone early, many have stuck with it over the years. Brand loyalty is a very powerful thing, both to the customers and the companies. There's also the issue of familiarity. Although they all use Android, a person going from Motorola to Samsung to HTC could easily be confused by the different layouts, settings, and features used by different manufacturers.
Then you can also add the fact that these people have become "invested" in iOS, buying apps/games/iTunes etc. Of course, even someone who has spent a lot of money, say, $100 over the years on apps/games, could save way more than that by switching to a much less expensive Android phone and re-buying everything, but people don't think like that.
The iPhone is also a bit of a status symbol. Cool/rich/hip people often buy iPhones Personally, I think too much has been made of attributing the "status symbol" effect to iPhone's success, but it's still a factor, and one that can't be ignored (just like having an iPod vs something else).
While people like us might hate iOS and Apple for our various reasons, I still can't deny that an iPhone is a perfectly capable device that'd do pretty much everything I'd need a phone to. Of course, there's a lot of "advanced" things we like to do, but most people don't need to do those things, and the iPhone suffices in that regard, and does it fairly simply. And there's plenty of people that want just that.
I hope I don't sound like an apologist. I hate iOS, and hate Apple even more. But I can understand why some people like iPhones, and why the brand sees so much success.
No doubt, everything you said was true. The point I was making was that from what I've heard, android has greater market share and even more dominance of new device starts. With that, why are businesses jumping to appease iPhone owners? I understand there will be a huge uptake of wireless payment devices to accommodate the iPhone, for example. Likewise, the media behaves like they are introducing a whole new technology.
I always wondered why Apple stuck with smaller devices while Android was gaining market share with bigger screens. It will be interesting to see what the larger iPhone 6 does to the trend lines. It is a beautiful phone, but I wouldn't think for one minute about buying one.
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As above, I'm currently buying a new phone;
Right now I'm deciding between iPhone 6 and Xperia Z3 (coming from Nokia N8). Basically, being able to stay with the same phone for at least next 2 years is very important for me, same goes for a good camera. Among things that iPhone does better than xperia is 240fps recording. Would it be possible to capture 240fps video with Z3 and some software modifications?:...
And to the most important part - android. I have no idea how to use it, never did. Is it easy to get used to, how many apps and stuff?...
IMO stick with whatever your environment has, IE if you have an iPad, Apple TV it'll make it heaps easier in the long run, if not there is no better time then now to consider Android but I would consider the whole environment such as an Android tablet and android TV or Chromecast.
Got Apple iPad 1, all computers running windows & linux.
I guess I should stick to android then, and also consider Z3 tablet....
That's a good call.
Z3 camera is better than iPhone
Also, android OS is just as easy to use as iOS, it just takes some time to get use to it. In the same way if I got an iPhone (I never wil BTW) but I would get used to the iOS eventually.....
David, here is how I summarise the main differences between an iPhone and a high end Android device:
An iPhone is a phone that tries to be a computer and Android is a computer that duals as a phone.
It's now 16 months since I sold my iPhone 5 and made the move to Android and all I can say is my hatred for anything iOS has just grown by the day.
I Dropboxed some videos for my friend who has an iPhone 6, as they were too big to WhatsApp and I thought it would be the easiest way to transfer them.
Wrong.
From an iPhone you can't actually save the media directly to your phone. This can easily be done on an Android phone and I realised just again how restrictive life as an iPhone owner is.
In fact this is constantly the case with iOS. You can't save most file types and you can never save them where you want to.
But doesn't this defy the very basic principle of what a computer is? A digital device that allows you to save data and access it at a later time?
In fact, the freedom offered by Android is so liberating I just can't understand why anybody would opt for an iPhone. You can save any file anywhere. You can share any file with anybody and you can move any file anywhere in the File Manager software - it really is no different to a laptop or desktop computer.
The sound quality, if music is your thing, on the Z3 is unsurpassed by any other phone on the market.
I did a test with some decent phones (Sennheiser Momentum) and played exactly the same source file on the IPhone 6 and the Z3 and the difference is nothing short of amazing.
When I first transitioned to Android on the Z1, I found it to be very intuitive and easy to understand.
Finding your way around an Android phone for the first time is no harder than finding your way around an iPhone. The only difference is that for every one option on an iPhone you have ten choices or more on an Android phone, but that doesn't make it more difficult, just more usable.
Apple has its followers in a hold around the neck where it keeps them virtually hostage in a choking dictatorship - don't allow one or two other Apple products to pull you deeper into the abyss. Break free now while you can.
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I use both on a daily basis (Z3 and iPhone 6) and I'll echo a lot of what's been said here already. The first thing I'd consider is ecosystem and what you're coming from. If you had an iPhone and have bought a lot of iOS apps and still enjoy using an iPhone, get an iPhone 6. If you have an android device and enjoy it, get another one.
Generally speaking, Android is a platform that provides features and allows the user to use those features. For example, I have a file system, I have bluetooth, I can then use those pieces to transfer a file. In contrast, Apple is a platform that provides experiences. Apple pay is a perfect example, they don't tell you about the underlying technology, NFC, transaction tokenization, and a fingerprint reader, they simply want users to know they stick the phone up to something and it pays for their purchase.
Both get the job done, and between the Z3 and iPhone 6, there are a few areas where each does a bit better. Neither is a bad device.
It's just my personal opinion, but I actually believe that the iPhone is a bad device.
Android allows you to install any app that you want, download and share any file that you choose, it will allow you to escape the censorship imposed on you by Apple, you can customise your phone and if you get tired of the UI, you can refresh it with a launcher or theme, you have complete control over nearly every aspect of your phone, superior notifications, batteries that last twice as long (Z3), waterproofing, expandable storage, Google Now kicks dust in Siri's eyes and the sound quality of the Z3 driven by the two digital amp chips on board is in a different league to the iPhone 6 - especially if you start using the EQ settings and use good headphones, to me, in my personal view, there is just no contest and most Android fans, not those who necessarily use both platforms, would ever want to go back to an iPhone once they had a top end Android phone. It just does everything an iPhone does, just better.
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This picture summarises it beautifully for me...
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se1000 said:
I use both on a daily basis (Z3 and iPhone 6) and I'll echo a lot of what's been said here already.
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If u had to pick, which 1 would it be?! And which camera do u prefer?
Just for ****s & giggles, hehe. And maybe it'll help the op...
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Stixxbixby said:
If u had to pick, which 1 would it be?! And which camera do u prefer?
Just for ****s & giggles, hehe. And maybe it'll help the op...
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Z3 all day every day for me, especially the camera. The iPhone camera is much quicker to snap off pics but the Z3 photos, if taken with some care, have much more detail and dynamic range. Battery is miles better on the Z3.
There's a blackjack app that's much better on iOS though... that's about it.
Go for Z3, my mom has the iPhone 6. Its got lower battery life and no stereo speakers for starters. Then the whole you can't use bluetooth for transfers and no mass storage option.
I just had a few generations of Ipod touch's. There is pretty close to a zero percent chance that I will buy Iphone. The last generation of Ipod touch would go bad in about a year. Starts with the new usb cable they use not working right. Then the headphone remote stops ffw mute etc. The real killer was sometimes it would take 15 min or so to put a simple podcast mp3 file on it because it would say updating. I still use my last touch for an alarm clock. I plugged it into the computer to charge last night. The stupid thing kept saying it was hooked up then unhooked. I am so glad not to be tied to the nonsense Apple does anymore. Sony is better but they are also full of nonsense and crippling the device. I thought by spending a $1000 to buy the z3 and everything I need with it I would be left alone. I still cant get a headphone with a volume remote/play pause. The volume is way to low for low gain podcasts. I think this is a result of Sony crippling the device. I was looking forward to getting a z4 as soon as it comes out but am thinking I will give HTC or another manufacturer that really doesn't look to cripple user experience.
Johann_London said:
David, here is how I summarise the main differences between an iPhone and a high end Android device:
An iPhone is a phone that tries to be a computer and Android is a computer that duals as a phone.
It's now 16 months since I sold my iPhone 5 and made the move to Android and all I can say is my hatred for anything iOS has just grown by the day.
I Dropboxed some videos for my friend who has an iPhone 6, as they were too big to WhatsApp and I thought it would be the easiest way to transfer them.
Wrong.
From an iPhone you can't actually save the media directly to your phone. This can easily be done on an Android phone and I realised just again how restrictive life as an iPhone owner is.
In fact this is constantly the case with iOS. You can't save most file types and you can never save them where you want to.
But doesn't this defy the very basic principle of what a computer is? A digital device that allows you to save data and access it at a later time?
In fact, the freedom offered by Android is so liberating I just can't understand why anybody would opt for an iPhone. You can save any file anywhere. You can share any file with anybody and you can move any file anywhere in the File Manager software - it really is no different to a laptop or desktop computer.
The sound quality, if music is your thing, on the Z3 is unsurpassed by any other phone on the market.
I did a test with some decent phones (Sennheiser Momentum) and played exactly the same source file on the IPhone 6 and the Z3 and the difference is nothing short of amazing.
When I first transitioned to Android on the Z1, I found it to be very intuitive and easy to understand.
Finding your way around an Android phone for the first time is no harder than finding your way around an iPhone. The only difference is that for every one option on an iPhone you have ten choices or more on an Android phone, but that doesn't make it more difficult, just more usable.
Apple has its followers in a hold around the neck where it keeps them virtually hostage in a choking dictatorship - don't allow one or two other Apple products to pull you deeper into the abyss. Break free now while you can.
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I, too, switched from iPhone about 2 years ago. I wouldn't go back, and agree when you say android is basically a small computer and can do much more.
Where I disagree, is when you say "I just can't understand why anybody would opt for an iPhone." Some people actually WANT a simple, possibly more limited phone that they fully understand and for which they do not wish to spend countless hours on xda trying to make stuff work.
My parents just changed their 4S for iPhone 6s even after they have seen some of the stuff android allows me to do, and I'm glad they did. No troubleshooting ever, and if any problem happens all they have to do is call apple /take an appointment.
Much better than having to wait 6 weeks for LG to fix my screen under warranty!
Tl;dr: to each his own.
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se1000 said:
Z3 all day every day for me, especially the camera. The iPhone camera is much quicker to snap off pics but the Z3 photos, if taken with some care, have much more detail and dynamic range. Battery is miles better on the Z3.
There's a blackjack app that's much better on iOS though... that's about it.
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The best photos from the Z3 are clearly better than those from the iPhone, but having a very fast shutter and focus speed is EVERYTHING when you have fast moving subjects like my children. No android camera that I've tried approach the iPhone when it comes to children pics.
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Z3 all day every day for me, especially the camera. The iPhone camera is much quicker to snap off pics but the Z3 photos, if taken with some care, have much more detail and dynamic range. Battery is miles better on the Z3.
There's a blackjack app that's much better on iOS though... that's about it.
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Thanks for the reply. I tend to agree. Btw, Sweet collection of top tier devices man!
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KarlDag said:
I, too, switched from iPhone about 2 years ago. I wouldn't go back, and agree when you say android is basically a small computer and can do much more.
Where I disagree, is when you say "I just can't understand why anybody would opt for an iPhone." Some people actually WANT a simple, possibly more limited phone that they fully understand and for which they do not wish to spend countless hours on xda trying to make stuff work.
My parents just changed their 4S for iPhone 6s even after they have seen some of the stuff android allows me to do, and I'm glad they did. No troubleshooting ever, and if any problem happens all they have to do is call apple /take an appointment.
Much better than having to wait 6 weeks for LG to fix my screen under warranty!
Tl;dr: to each his own.
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The best photos from the Z3 are clearly better than those from the iPhone, but having a very fast shutter and focus speed is EVERYTHING when you have fast moving subjects like my children. No android camera that I've tried approach the iPhone when it comes to children pics.
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Yes I guess that you are right. Clearly there were 169 million such people in the last year of Apple's figures - it absolutely baffles me, but I put it down to that age old thing of not actually knowing any better.
Another reason why iPhones are so popular despite their lack of functionality, is because of the loyal following that was built up between 2007-2011 when the iPhone *was* the best or only real smart phone choice out there. If you wanted a smooth experience and a good app selection you really needed to get an iPhone - that is how I myself got sucked in for three years.
But the wheel has turned and now millions of people are caught in the Apple ecosystem and can't bear to face the upheaval so they just go with it...
That and of course the blinding light Apple emits from Cupertino that attracts it's sheep like zombie moths to a torch.
Apple somehow can polish a turd, emboss it with a half eaten apple and mindless, soulless people will queue up for two nights to buy it. For the power of their spell at least they do require a credit.
By the way I *love* Android's new advertising campaign where they make a slight dig at Apple when they say "Together. Not the same.". It's so clever.
And... My mother knows how to send an email and search on Google, but she is far from tech savvy. Well, she got a Z1 compact (coming from a basic BB) and had no trouble whatsoever adjusting.
The great thing about Android, exactly because it's customisability, is that you can have it as simple or as complex as you want it. My mum has certainly never visited XDA over an issue, she wouldn't have a clue how to.
So in its simplest form, I don't think that Android necessarily requires any more technical know how than iOS and I dont think it's any more unreliable or prone to glitches either.
Not necessarily.
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Yes I guess that you are right. Clearly there were 169 million such people in the last year of Apple's figures - it absolutely baffles me, but I put it down to that age old thing of not actually knowing any better...
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True words cannot be said any clearer. It's that experience Apple had hooked people in with. Most of these people are simple-minded and want simple devices that just work. People tend to move away from Apple products when they become more curious and aware of Android's limitless flexibility.
hanime said:
True words cannot be said any clearer. It's that experience Apple had hooked people in with. Most of these people are simple-minded and want simple devices that just work. People tend to move away from Apple products when they become more curious and aware of Android's limitless flexibility.
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Wow, that is some sweeping generalization you are making there bud, a super broad brush dont think?
Accusing iPhone users of being simple minded, is a very simple minded thing to do. IPhone is used by a very diverse population in all social classes and people in a wide range of IQ. I know people who are software engineers and are as curious, as you put it, as one can be and they still choose to use iPhone for one reason or another. There are CEOs, pilots, engineers, people of all sorts of different professional backgrounds and walks of life who choose to use the iPhone for whatever reason, and to make an absurd observation that most of those people are simple minded is ridiculous.
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Wow, that is some sweeping generalization you are making there bud, a super broad brush dont think?
Accusing iPhone users of being simple minded, is a very simple minded thing to do. IPhone is used by a very diverse population in all social classes and people in a wide range of IQ. I know people who are software engineers and are as curious, as you put it, as one can be and they still choose to use iPhone for one reason or another. There are CEOs, pilots, engineers, people of all sorts of different professional backgrounds and walks of life who choose to use the iPhone for whatever reason, and to make an absurd observation that most of those people are simple minded is ridiculous.
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Yeah, I may have generalized it a bit. Perhaps "simple-minded" was not the correct term to use in this context.
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Yeah, I may have generalized it a bit. Perhaps "simple-minded" was not the correct term to use in this context.
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Considering most doctors in know (nurse) use iPhone, yeah, I think so.
Doctors and nurses work with crippled people so why not a crippled phone. Apple does all it can to keep you in their little sand box. Now other company's have hardware that is as good or better so bye bye Apple.