As above, I'm currently buying a new phone;
Right now I'm deciding between iPhone 6 and Xperia Z3 (coming from Nokia N8). Basically, being able to stay with the same phone for at least next 2 years is very important for me, same goes for a good camera. Among things that iPhone does better than xperia is 240fps recording. Would it be possible to capture 240fps video with Z3 and some software modifications?:...
And to the most important part - android. I have no idea how to use it, never did. Is it easy to get used to, how many apps and stuff?...
IMO stick with whatever your environment has, IE if you have an iPad, Apple TV it'll make it heaps easier in the long run, if not there is no better time then now to consider Android but I would consider the whole environment such as an Android tablet and android TV or Chromecast.
Got Apple iPad 1, all computers running windows & linux.
I guess I should stick to android then, and also consider Z3 tablet....
That's a good call.
Z3 camera is better than iPhone
Also, android OS is just as easy to use as iOS, it just takes some time to get use to it. In the same way if I got an iPhone (I never wil BTW) but I would get used to the iOS eventually.....
David, here is how I summarise the main differences between an iPhone and a high end Android device:
An iPhone is a phone that tries to be a computer and Android is a computer that duals as a phone.
It's now 16 months since I sold my iPhone 5 and made the move to Android and all I can say is my hatred for anything iOS has just grown by the day.
I Dropboxed some videos for my friend who has an iPhone 6, as they were too big to WhatsApp and I thought it would be the easiest way to transfer them.
Wrong.
From an iPhone you can't actually save the media directly to your phone. This can easily be done on an Android phone and I realised just again how restrictive life as an iPhone owner is.
In fact this is constantly the case with iOS. You can't save most file types and you can never save them where you want to.
But doesn't this defy the very basic principle of what a computer is? A digital device that allows you to save data and access it at a later time?
In fact, the freedom offered by Android is so liberating I just can't understand why anybody would opt for an iPhone. You can save any file anywhere. You can share any file with anybody and you can move any file anywhere in the File Manager software - it really is no different to a laptop or desktop computer.
The sound quality, if music is your thing, on the Z3 is unsurpassed by any other phone on the market.
I did a test with some decent phones (Sennheiser Momentum) and played exactly the same source file on the IPhone 6 and the Z3 and the difference is nothing short of amazing.
When I first transitioned to Android on the Z1, I found it to be very intuitive and easy to understand.
Finding your way around an Android phone for the first time is no harder than finding your way around an iPhone. The only difference is that for every one option on an iPhone you have ten choices or more on an Android phone, but that doesn't make it more difficult, just more usable.
Apple has its followers in a hold around the neck where it keeps them virtually hostage in a choking dictatorship - don't allow one or two other Apple products to pull you deeper into the abyss. Break free now while you can.
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I use both on a daily basis (Z3 and iPhone 6) and I'll echo a lot of what's been said here already. The first thing I'd consider is ecosystem and what you're coming from. If you had an iPhone and have bought a lot of iOS apps and still enjoy using an iPhone, get an iPhone 6. If you have an android device and enjoy it, get another one.
Generally speaking, Android is a platform that provides features and allows the user to use those features. For example, I have a file system, I have bluetooth, I can then use those pieces to transfer a file. In contrast, Apple is a platform that provides experiences. Apple pay is a perfect example, they don't tell you about the underlying technology, NFC, transaction tokenization, and a fingerprint reader, they simply want users to know they stick the phone up to something and it pays for their purchase.
Both get the job done, and between the Z3 and iPhone 6, there are a few areas where each does a bit better. Neither is a bad device.
It's just my personal opinion, but I actually believe that the iPhone is a bad device.
Android allows you to install any app that you want, download and share any file that you choose, it will allow you to escape the censorship imposed on you by Apple, you can customise your phone and if you get tired of the UI, you can refresh it with a launcher or theme, you have complete control over nearly every aspect of your phone, superior notifications, batteries that last twice as long (Z3), waterproofing, expandable storage, Google Now kicks dust in Siri's eyes and the sound quality of the Z3 driven by the two digital amp chips on board is in a different league to the iPhone 6 - especially if you start using the EQ settings and use good headphones, to me, in my personal view, there is just no contest and most Android fans, not those who necessarily use both platforms, would ever want to go back to an iPhone once they had a top end Android phone. It just does everything an iPhone does, just better.
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This picture summarises it beautifully for me...
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se1000 said:
I use both on a daily basis (Z3 and iPhone 6) and I'll echo a lot of what's been said here already.
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If u had to pick, which 1 would it be?! And which camera do u prefer?
Just for ****s & giggles, hehe. And maybe it'll help the op...
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Stixxbixby said:
If u had to pick, which 1 would it be?! And which camera do u prefer?
Just for ****s & giggles, hehe. And maybe it'll help the op...
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Z3 all day every day for me, especially the camera. The iPhone camera is much quicker to snap off pics but the Z3 photos, if taken with some care, have much more detail and dynamic range. Battery is miles better on the Z3.
There's a blackjack app that's much better on iOS though... that's about it.
Go for Z3, my mom has the iPhone 6. Its got lower battery life and no stereo speakers for starters. Then the whole you can't use bluetooth for transfers and no mass storage option.
I just had a few generations of Ipod touch's. There is pretty close to a zero percent chance that I will buy Iphone. The last generation of Ipod touch would go bad in about a year. Starts with the new usb cable they use not working right. Then the headphone remote stops ffw mute etc. The real killer was sometimes it would take 15 min or so to put a simple podcast mp3 file on it because it would say updating. I still use my last touch for an alarm clock. I plugged it into the computer to charge last night. The stupid thing kept saying it was hooked up then unhooked. I am so glad not to be tied to the nonsense Apple does anymore. Sony is better but they are also full of nonsense and crippling the device. I thought by spending a $1000 to buy the z3 and everything I need with it I would be left alone. I still cant get a headphone with a volume remote/play pause. The volume is way to low for low gain podcasts. I think this is a result of Sony crippling the device. I was looking forward to getting a z4 as soon as it comes out but am thinking I will give HTC or another manufacturer that really doesn't look to cripple user experience.
Johann_London said:
David, here is how I summarise the main differences between an iPhone and a high end Android device:
An iPhone is a phone that tries to be a computer and Android is a computer that duals as a phone.
It's now 16 months since I sold my iPhone 5 and made the move to Android and all I can say is my hatred for anything iOS has just grown by the day.
I Dropboxed some videos for my friend who has an iPhone 6, as they were too big to WhatsApp and I thought it would be the easiest way to transfer them.
Wrong.
From an iPhone you can't actually save the media directly to your phone. This can easily be done on an Android phone and I realised just again how restrictive life as an iPhone owner is.
In fact this is constantly the case with iOS. You can't save most file types and you can never save them where you want to.
But doesn't this defy the very basic principle of what a computer is? A digital device that allows you to save data and access it at a later time?
In fact, the freedom offered by Android is so liberating I just can't understand why anybody would opt for an iPhone. You can save any file anywhere. You can share any file with anybody and you can move any file anywhere in the File Manager software - it really is no different to a laptop or desktop computer.
The sound quality, if music is your thing, on the Z3 is unsurpassed by any other phone on the market.
I did a test with some decent phones (Sennheiser Momentum) and played exactly the same source file on the IPhone 6 and the Z3 and the difference is nothing short of amazing.
When I first transitioned to Android on the Z1, I found it to be very intuitive and easy to understand.
Finding your way around an Android phone for the first time is no harder than finding your way around an iPhone. The only difference is that for every one option on an iPhone you have ten choices or more on an Android phone, but that doesn't make it more difficult, just more usable.
Apple has its followers in a hold around the neck where it keeps them virtually hostage in a choking dictatorship - don't allow one or two other Apple products to pull you deeper into the abyss. Break free now while you can.
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I, too, switched from iPhone about 2 years ago. I wouldn't go back, and agree when you say android is basically a small computer and can do much more.
Where I disagree, is when you say "I just can't understand why anybody would opt for an iPhone." Some people actually WANT a simple, possibly more limited phone that they fully understand and for which they do not wish to spend countless hours on xda trying to make stuff work.
My parents just changed their 4S for iPhone 6s even after they have seen some of the stuff android allows me to do, and I'm glad they did. No troubleshooting ever, and if any problem happens all they have to do is call apple /take an appointment.
Much better than having to wait 6 weeks for LG to fix my screen under warranty!
Tl;dr: to each his own.
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Z3 all day every day for me, especially the camera. The iPhone camera is much quicker to snap off pics but the Z3 photos, if taken with some care, have much more detail and dynamic range. Battery is miles better on the Z3.
There's a blackjack app that's much better on iOS though... that's about it.
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The best photos from the Z3 are clearly better than those from the iPhone, but having a very fast shutter and focus speed is EVERYTHING when you have fast moving subjects like my children. No android camera that I've tried approach the iPhone when it comes to children pics.
se1000 said:
Z3 all day every day for me, especially the camera. The iPhone camera is much quicker to snap off pics but the Z3 photos, if taken with some care, have much more detail and dynamic range. Battery is miles better on the Z3.
There's a blackjack app that's much better on iOS though... that's about it.
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Thanks for the reply. I tend to agree. Btw, Sweet collection of top tier devices man!
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KarlDag said:
I, too, switched from iPhone about 2 years ago. I wouldn't go back, and agree when you say android is basically a small computer and can do much more.
Where I disagree, is when you say "I just can't understand why anybody would opt for an iPhone." Some people actually WANT a simple, possibly more limited phone that they fully understand and for which they do not wish to spend countless hours on xda trying to make stuff work.
My parents just changed their 4S for iPhone 6s even after they have seen some of the stuff android allows me to do, and I'm glad they did. No troubleshooting ever, and if any problem happens all they have to do is call apple /take an appointment.
Much better than having to wait 6 weeks for LG to fix my screen under warranty!
Tl;dr: to each his own.
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The best photos from the Z3 are clearly better than those from the iPhone, but having a very fast shutter and focus speed is EVERYTHING when you have fast moving subjects like my children. No android camera that I've tried approach the iPhone when it comes to children pics.
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Yes I guess that you are right. Clearly there were 169 million such people in the last year of Apple's figures - it absolutely baffles me, but I put it down to that age old thing of not actually knowing any better.
Another reason why iPhones are so popular despite their lack of functionality, is because of the loyal following that was built up between 2007-2011 when the iPhone *was* the best or only real smart phone choice out there. If you wanted a smooth experience and a good app selection you really needed to get an iPhone - that is how I myself got sucked in for three years.
But the wheel has turned and now millions of people are caught in the Apple ecosystem and can't bear to face the upheaval so they just go with it...
That and of course the blinding light Apple emits from Cupertino that attracts it's sheep like zombie moths to a torch.
Apple somehow can polish a turd, emboss it with a half eaten apple and mindless, soulless people will queue up for two nights to buy it. For the power of their spell at least they do require a credit.
By the way I *love* Android's new advertising campaign where they make a slight dig at Apple when they say "Together. Not the same.". It's so clever.
And... My mother knows how to send an email and search on Google, but she is far from tech savvy. Well, she got a Z1 compact (coming from a basic BB) and had no trouble whatsoever adjusting.
The great thing about Android, exactly because it's customisability, is that you can have it as simple or as complex as you want it. My mum has certainly never visited XDA over an issue, she wouldn't have a clue how to.
So in its simplest form, I don't think that Android necessarily requires any more technical know how than iOS and I dont think it's any more unreliable or prone to glitches either.
Not necessarily.
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Yes I guess that you are right. Clearly there were 169 million such people in the last year of Apple's figures - it absolutely baffles me, but I put it down to that age old thing of not actually knowing any better...
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True words cannot be said any clearer. It's that experience Apple had hooked people in with. Most of these people are simple-minded and want simple devices that just work. People tend to move away from Apple products when they become more curious and aware of Android's limitless flexibility.
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True words cannot be said any clearer. It's that experience Apple had hooked people in with. Most of these people are simple-minded and want simple devices that just work. People tend to move away from Apple products when they become more curious and aware of Android's limitless flexibility.
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Wow, that is some sweeping generalization you are making there bud, a super broad brush dont think?
Accusing iPhone users of being simple minded, is a very simple minded thing to do. IPhone is used by a very diverse population in all social classes and people in a wide range of IQ. I know people who are software engineers and are as curious, as you put it, as one can be and they still choose to use iPhone for one reason or another. There are CEOs, pilots, engineers, people of all sorts of different professional backgrounds and walks of life who choose to use the iPhone for whatever reason, and to make an absurd observation that most of those people are simple minded is ridiculous.
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Wow, that is some sweeping generalization you are making there bud, a super broad brush dont think?
Accusing iPhone users of being simple minded, is a very simple minded thing to do. IPhone is used by a very diverse population in all social classes and people in a wide range of IQ. I know people who are software engineers and are as curious, as you put it, as one can be and they still choose to use iPhone for one reason or another. There are CEOs, pilots, engineers, people of all sorts of different professional backgrounds and walks of life who choose to use the iPhone for whatever reason, and to make an absurd observation that most of those people are simple minded is ridiculous.
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Yeah, I may have generalized it a bit. Perhaps "simple-minded" was not the correct term to use in this context.
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Yeah, I may have generalized it a bit. Perhaps "simple-minded" was not the correct term to use in this context.
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Considering most doctors in know (nurse) use iPhone, yeah, I think so.
Doctors and nurses work with crippled people so why not a crippled phone. Apple does all it can to keep you in their little sand box. Now other company's have hardware that is as good or better so bye bye Apple.
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Ok, where to start? Well from the beginning of my short smartphone experience. My first phone was a Motorola A1000 with UIQ. The phone where not as good from the beginning but after some turns with the ROM cookers it became a pretty descent phone. It had GPS, a great app for mp3 (PowerMP3) and for that time an Opera webbrowser that worked on the most common sites.
Ofcourse the webbrowsing was slow and the GPS took ages to get a fix and the sound from PowerMP3 started to glitch when I had it in the background and did other stuff. But hey, I accepted it because it started to get old.
So, anyway. When the Xperia was annonced I found it as a great replacement. It was a smaler phone, it had full qwety, highres screen, wlan, gps, radio and finally 3.5mm jack. A friend had the first tytn phone (my first contact with XDA) that i thought was a bit slow. But still, it was an old phone and with the specs of the xperia I thought that WM would run smoth as butter.
Now, I have had the phone for 6 mounths and the honymone is over. Ofcourse the ROM cookers here have done an amazing job to speed it up. But still. Sometimes the phone is less responsive than my old UIQ phone. There is still no fully working webbrowser, the GPS does somtimes have problem to get a fix (not as long as 10 minutes though) and loading times eg. for showing pictures, open menues is the same as on my UIQ or worse.
I am getting tired of the chronic statment soon... the next version of Opera, when skyfire is ready, the next version of windows mobile, the next radio or ROM upgrade, the next version of manila etc.
And still, phones with weaker hardware is working smoth as silk with ROMs from the manufacturers like samsung, Apple or OS like Android. Why can't MS make an OS like that? It dosen't have to be "cool" as iPhone. But why not make it run smooth with less loadingtime?
As it is now, I can't lend my phone to a friend if he/she whan't to test it or browse a webpage without having them to wonder why nothing happens if they press this or that because of the loading times. "How could you pay that much for this phone?" And, no, I can't answer that anymore.
Ok, now I have let off some steam. And I havn't eaven mentioned the worthless casing on the phne that have cracked for the second time... ohh, now I have
Peace over and out
I wrote almost the same words today on a Dutch forum. I have my Xperia now for about 7 months. Out of the box it's a piece of sh.t. Thanks to the cooks it's an acceptable phone now, but my next phone will be no WM phone anymore. Thinking of buying the new Iphone when it comes out. Better/faster hardware doesn't say anything when WM is the OS.
Iphone here I come. If you can't beat them join them...
Although I do like my iPhone, I HATE apple. Going from my kaiser to the iPhone was a huge change. Mostly good, but putting up with apples bs is obnoxious. They are so restrictive. I miss the days of rom flashing, changing web browsers, media players, notes applications......just to try something new. With my iPhone, I can only change what apple approves, and that is very little. I am eagerly awaiting the Pre's release. Currently I pay AT&T 135.00 as month for two iPhones with the cheapest plan possible. We have the 1st gen iPhones with 20.00 a month data plans. I have no desire to pay 160.00 a month for the new iPhones when released. Two pre's with sprint will coat us 100.00 with my corporate discount.
I plan on checking out windows mobile again when wm7 is releases but not before then.
Jeff
take a break play with the iPhone and crapberry you'll be back within 4 months. Honestly, it took stupid applications like iBeer to make me want to go back to windows mobile. When I walk into work people with iPhones and BB's ask me why my Fuze or my Tilt looked more appealing than others they have seen. Simple answer, "I got no luck in the game of popularity therefore I spent over a year learning of the capabilities and the love what goes into windows mobile, outside of microsoft". Personally, I think they will never understand but when you show them easy written applications like "positions" and pdf reader "hustler" or "playboy" magazine, for some reason they believe you are a porn star, cause its that real...
edit: actually iPhones in Boston are played out so if you have a nice looking Tilt or Fuze it will get you ass. However, you may have to pay for an expensive hotel and some cheap ass beer too go along but that is how i roll. Nobody stops my floss.
Well, iPhone is no option for me. I like the modding that was possible with both my UIQ phone and WM. Android is what I now think will be the smoothest and more loadingtime free OS. I'm sad that it isn't possible to have android on my xperia. To me the xperia actually is the most good looking phone on the market today.
I could'nt say that my experience with winmo was bad. I had always enjoyed tweaking, ROM flashing, looking and exploring for new and better application software, trying out all kinds of different user interfaces, playing with registry, etc. I had always thought of winmo as the best thing since slice bread - until I tried out iPhone. To be honest, I had always brushed off iPhone as just a toy, as something that I would give up a week after owning it, etc. Had always been annoyed with people arguing that iPhone is better than winmo device.
Then, one day, an XDA-developer forumner whom I respected a lot made a post saying that he had already switched to iPhone and has never looked back. That was when I first took notice, and started to research more seriously about what iPhone could do. I thought all along that I would have to give up all the cherished applications on my Athena if I switch, so I first spent time finding out what applications are available on iPhone. At that time, I could not find any credible solution on GPS navigation and Office document editing. I also thought that I'm too addicted to my Tengo software keyboard to want to give up. In addition, I read a lot of posts saying there are serious 3G reception issues. So, based on that, I decided to buy a Touch HD instead.
I was estatic with Touch HD and made recommendation to a few person who too made the purchase. It was'nt perfect for sure. The response time was inconsistent at best, music playing stutters, album was slow and often causes freeze, camera capture taking too long to save and come back, picture is poor under poor lighting condition, etc. But I was still perfectly happy, perhaps because over the years, I had developed such a high tolerance for imperfection.
The iPhone purchase was probably an impulsive purchase because it was selling cheap. To be honest, the first day when I used it, I did'nt like it too much. Many things I did'nt know how to do. Did'nt like not being able to multitask, copy and paste, no video, no MMS, and the user interface looked set in concrete and unchangeable.
But then, I learned to jailbreak the phone. It was difficult in the begining because I did'nt know of a good forum to get help from, after all, I'm a winmo and XDA person, right? After that, I'm now really happy with iPhone.
- at the system level, my iPhone multitask, I can do global cut and copy, send MMS, do video recording, customise my springboard (desktop) to my heart's content, easily get music/movies without any restriction whatsoever .
-In general, my replacement application programs are far far better than the equivalent that I had on my HD.
- I can find lots of useful applications (don't listen to those who tell you that you only get iBeer and iFart from Applestore) from both the applestore and Cydia store. Many of those programs are simply not available on the winmo platform.
- VOIP calls that I make with my iPhone is far clearer than with my HD. No echo. No breaking up of voice. No need to use headset.
- All my videos play smoothly now. No more synchronization problem between video and voice. No more dropped frame.
- Camera captures really fast, including in poor light. It does'nt have autofocus and flash though, so this is still an area that iPhone should improve on. On the other hand, the camera softwares are excellent. You can change the contrast, exposure, and sharpen the picture after they're taken, and this compensate somewhat for the poor picture.
- I like the way it notifies me of any update to my applications, and they are all free. Even if I had previously installed and deleted an application, it tells me that I had already made the purchase (even the free ones are considered purchased) and would let me download it again free (even if now it is no longer free).
- Love the responsiveness. Even with very tiny area, such as the little link on XDA site that brings me to the first unread post, could be easily activated without zooming it.
- Consistent user interface is another really appealing aspect of it. On my HD, I had programs from Vito Technology, Resco, SPB, and they all look different. Some have full screen and have their own finger friendly keyboard, some still use stylus. Not a serious issue, but it was really good to have consistent UI.
What I still don't like about iPhone?
- I don't like the fact that I cannot change battery in the middle of the day. With my HD, I carry a spare battery because one isn't enough for me.
- We still have no credible GPS software on the iPhone, at least not outside US. In US, G-Map on iPhone looks like a pretty good GPS software that works without internet connection, but outside US, there is'nt any that can operate without internet connection. Even if there is, I am not willing to use anything not as good as TomTom 7, which among other things give me overspeeding, red light and speed camera warnings. I still use my HD to run TomTom, Garmin and Mapking (because TomTom does not have maps in all the countries that I visit).
I had been keeping an eye on Palm Pre and Google Phone. Google phone could be manufactured by any hardware manufacturer so in that aspect it has a better chance of becoming popular amoung the hardware suppliers at least, unlike iPhone which nobody else are allowed to manufacture. However, the applications on both Google Phone and Palm Pre are too limited at the moment. Also, because of the absence of control and openness, I think the user interface on google phone is going to varry greatly from application to application, so you will not have the same consistency as iPhone application. Palm pre's inabiilty to operate as a world phone bugs me, in addition to the fact that it is still the first generation phone, which is bound to have much unresolved issues.
WM7 is of course not to be discounted completely. It is supposed to be revolutionary. Like using the camera to detect your hand gesture (wonder what it is like to operate the device in the dark and impact on battery though. Also wondering how would devices without front camera deal with it.). However, application development would have much to catch up. The biggest obstacle I think is the fact that MS tries to make the OS backward compatible. There are just too many different hardware out there by now. Pity the developers on winmo now. If they develop anything now, it would have to be redone when WM7 is available. I get the feeling that many are developing for iPhone for now, hence the explosion of software availability there.
I hope this thread is a place to share information, not to bash winmo in anyway. So, let's be courteous to each other and refrain from putting down winmo platform.
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Well, iPhone is no option for me. I like the modding that was possible with both my UIQ phone and WM. Android is what I now think will be the smoothest and more loadingtime free OS. I'm sad that it isn't possible to have android on my xperia. To me the xperia actually is the most good looking phone on the market today.
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I can do lots of modding with iPhone too, and much of those modding are not available with WM. You can even make it look like a PC if you so incline. But you must jailbreak it first in order to do it.
redbandana said:
take a break play with the iPhone and crapberry you'll be back within 4 months. Honestly, it took stupid applications like iBeer to make me want to go back to windows mobile.
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For me, the more time I spend with iPhone, the more I grow to like it. It is amazing to find how customizable the phone is. It is also amazing to find that one single button in iPhone could so easily let you switch between active tasks, terminate program, launch most recently used programs, and with the power button do screen capture, do soft reset, etc.
Not all applications are entertainment in nature. You can get serious medical applications, enterprise resource planning type applications (including SAP and Quickbook), office productivity applications (Pocket Informant on iPhone is far more useable than the winmo version), etc.
The only really lacking area is GPS software, but that's likely to change with firmware 3.0 that removes the artificial restriction apple set.
Otherwise, WM applications are falling behind that for iPhone. There are many reasons why this is happening. Some winmo developers have discussed the reasons for this on this very interesting thread here:
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ed...s-mobile-apps-falling-behind-iphone-ones.html
jeffla said:
Although I do like my iPhone, I HATE apple. Going from my kaiser to the iPhone was a huge change. Mostly good, but putting up with apples bs is obnoxious. They are so restrictive. I miss the days of rom flashing, changing web browsers, media players, notes applications......just to try something new. With my iPhone, I can only change what apple approves, and that is very little. I am eagerly awaiting the Pre's release. Currently I pay AT&T 135.00 as month for two iPhones with the cheapest plan possible. We have the 1st gen iPhones with 20.00 a month data plans. I have no desire to pay 160.00 a month for the new iPhones when released. Two pre's with sprint will coat us 100.00 with my corporate discount.
I plan on checking out windows mobile again when wm7 is releases but not before then.
Jeff
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I too feel that Apple is going overboard in the type of restriction it places. That's why I jailbreak my phone, to free myself from all the restrictions.
This is an article related to the current thread that makes some interesting reading.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-18438_7-10151228-82.html
Great essay you did there Eaglesteve. I know some things about jailbreak and what comes with that because of a friend that have one. But to me, the hardware limits on iPhone is to big. The important things too me that iPhone lack is, qwerty, MicroSD-slot, changeable battery, radio (I'm lazy sometimes), photo led (great as flashlight) and a good GPS.
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I too feel that Apple is going overboard in the type of restriction it places. That's why I jailbreak my phone, to free myself from all the restrictions.
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Hey, if I jailbreak, can I drag and drop my music files? I hate having to sync my music files via itunes, or Media Monkey. I just want to drag a few songs over before work and just be done with it.
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Hey, if I jailbreak, can I drag and drop my music files? I hate having to sync my music files via itunes, or Media Monkey. I just want to drag a few songs over before work and just be done with it.
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Yes you can. You can also name the music file anyway you want rather than having it renamed by ITune. The music file could be copied to your own sub directory.
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Great essay you did there Eaglesteve. I know some things about jailbreak and what comes with that because of a friend that have one. But to me, the hardware limits on iPhone is to big. The important things too me that iPhone lack is, qwerty, MicroSD-slot, changeable battery, radio (I'm lazy sometimes), photo led (great as flashlight) and a good GPS.
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Thanks Paitor,
One factor that puts iPhone on the negative light is the fact that no hardware vendor other than apple through Foxconn is allowed to make the handset. This is both good and bad. Applications are easier to test and bugs more easily fixed. Also, having just one company controlling it nobody could pass the bug to another company if the graphic accelerator does'nt work (wink wink). You also don't have the risk of undersized hardware specification and slow device. On the other hand you don't get lots of choices in handware specifications such as those you've outlined.
Actually iPhone hardware contains the FM receiver all along, but disabled at the moment.
I believe Tom Tom will soon be available once OS 3.0 is released.
Listed 4 choices in the poll, if you vote Other... please post a reply with what you think would make an android/iOS/blackberry user convert to wp7.
i guess less microsoft would be the right answer. what a pitty that this really powerfull devices can't even play most avi videos just because they are divx or xvid. mkv can't be played to. mobile phones are focussed on multimedia, but that's not a good deal. who wants to use or convert almost everything to wmv? nobody!
and zune is a pretty nice software buit people don't want to be forced to use it. That's what many complain abot iphone and itunes, and is most probably the reason they pick up android.
Only apple is able to do stupid things like that because they aim a very special group of consumers, who doesn't care what the devices can do. they just need to have the newest fancy apple product.
What a shame, because on the other side i think winphone7 is really the most modern and sophisticated OS at the moment.
Definitely not the first 3 choices.
I voted "other" thinking about UI workflow and different concept of this.
Devices and Marketing are worse than other platforms.
Some features are better but there is alot missing too.
Other: The Apple/Google Brand name. People have a tendency to buy any crap from Apple or Google these days as long as its not Microsoft.
But yeah in the long run thru good word of mouth WP7 will eventually win
Interesting answers...
I associate microsoft and windows with good software. Just look at Office and tell me it's not the ****. On the other hand, Apple does make very "pretty" software. It makes you feel special when you use it because it animates and looks a certain way.
Google has always been the odd one, it has horrible UI and their chrome browser is ugly as well.
I agree with everyone else to an extent, but I actually think that the biggest thing is that it is lacking in features. You can't send video clips via text message, you can't have custom alert sounds and you can't even have custom ring tones (without hacking it). I think that missing features such as these is a major turn off for people looking for a new phone.
Windows Phone 7 needs a constant and unending series of free commercials losely disguised as the evening news. Just in day to day contact it seems like the majority of people don't really "hate" MSFT, but they love to get caught up in the hype provided by the masters of buzz, Apple and the likes. MSFT should just drop some checks in the pockets of these pseudo-reporters we know as bloggers and buy their buzz.
We all know that the masses do not really care about the number of cores, an extra 0.1 inch of screen size, or an extra megapixel of camera resolution (if they did the iPhone would not be eatng other manufacturer's lunch). They want to walk into the room and when they take out their phone they want someone to say "is that the latest iPhone?"
This is not a slight at iPhone users, I still have my 3GS, but today people's phones are like their car or wardrobe. It's sometime a fashion accessory.
Sorry to ramble. I know I'm not saying anything that those on this forum haven't already observed.
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I agree with everyone else to an extent, but I actually think that the biggest thing is that it is lacking in features. You can't send video clips via text message, you can't have custom alert sounds and you can't even have custom ring tones (without hacking it). I think that missing features such as these is a major turn off for people looking for a new phone.
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Video to text, and custom ring tones added to mango
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Video to text, and custom ring tones added to mango
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I Actually just upgraded to mango and I have found many nice upgrades, but I was unable to attach a video to a text. Maybe I'm just doing something wrong! lol I'm still disappointed though that it is such a tedious process to use a custom ringtone... I should be able to just pick a song under Zune, hiold it for a sec. and choose an option "Set as ringtone"...But, that is not how easy it is...Not too much of a problem for me, but I have a few friends who are bothered by it.
...I voted for "better marketing". Having had GSM devices since the beginning and having been a "WM Power User" for a couple of years, flashing and tweaking everything I was able to lay hands on, I can say that WP7, even in the actual NoDo-Version is the most awesome OS I ever used. Before settling for WP7, I also tried Android on an HTC HD2 and I found it had basically the same problems as WM6.5 WP7 is working "out of the box" and I don't need to spend hours flashing and tweaking to make in run smoothly. There are of course some features which are still missing, but most of them will be included in Mango. And Mango will not be the end of the line.....
WP7 needs a better and more agressive marketing. Apple managed to establish "iPhone" as synonym for "smartphone" and ironically with hardware which has never been top technology. Even with the millions of Apple and Android devices in the market, this only scratches the surface of the potential and future markets of smartphones which goes into billions. The WP7 alliance of Microsoft, the makers, the providers and the trade have to find an efficient way to communicate the advantages of the WP7 philosophy (don't let your phone take over your life) to the non technic affine public, which actually are the hughe majority of the potential users.....
It actually needs all of these. In fact, it's an easy textbook case in terms of theory, here's what they need:
1. Meaningful effective positioning and branding. The "Really?" ads won't cut it. The "In and Out" message is totally missing the point, nobody understands what it's about. Using the "Windows Phone" name is totally stupid.
2. Variety of cool and sexy hardware (not the 4.7" Eternity stuff, and not just one or two decent phones, with all the buzzwords in place such as megapixels, gigabytes, super AMOLED plus ultra, what not), shelf presence everywhere (countries, operators), and of course training/stimulating floor staff.
3. Completed concept of hubs/integration, for third party apps/services to really be an integral part of the OS, or "immersive" as MS call it.
4. Seamless backup/device-to-device migration, carrying over settings, app data etc. This isn't crucial right now, but will be a must have in a year or so, and could be a differentiating factor over Android, although it's more important for markets where handsets aren't subsidized. In the US this can wait. However, a migration path from Android/iOS would be useful even there.
5. Integration with "big" Windows, Windows on tablets which would work well with WP7, together with repositioned/rebranded/streamlined Live services which should be a joy to use as opposed to current PITA state.
6. Introducing lots of things for media to talk about over the next year or two.
7. Profit
Unfortunately, 1. is out of the question, not gonna happen. Hardware depends on manufacturers (Nokia alone won't do it). Most other things, even if understood at Microsoft, will take a year at least. So don't expect anything radically exciting happening this year.
Numbers.
It's a numbers game - more devices = more users.
Also have it so that my WP7 phone will mount as a hard drive without Zune software. So dumb that it doesn't. All of my Androids do that!
I have just gotten an upgrade for my carrier and I am having trouble deciding if I would like to stay with an iPhone and get the iphone4s or go to an android and get the Samsung galaxy s2,I have never owned an android so I was wondering what can an android do compaired to iphone.
bigger screen and expandable storage, feels more like a computer than iphone does. They can both achieve the same goal but with different methods I think.
iOS shoves you into a shoebox.
Android shoves you into a moving box.
While both boxes, at least android you can move your elbows around.
Through rooting you have a wide range of customizing your phone with competing ROMs. These roms most often allow you to have a more optimized experience. But choose your manufacturer carefully if ROMing is what you want to do. Some manufacturers make this process easier or harder, but generally you'll have a bunch of super nerds that are more than willing to help you out.
iOS has a claim to stability over android. But think of it as having a paint by numbers and apple hands you the colors one at a time and forces you to do it their way. Android has versatility.
Uncle Rico: "I…I said the twelve pack, not the twenty-four pack. You're just gonna have to mix and match." Napoleon: "Shut up, say it so that the whole world can hear."
IOS Devices -
Smoother (High end androids such as SGS2 are about as smooth)
More Games.
Easier to use
Siri? (4s only - There are similar android apps but i don't believe any are as good.)
Android -
Customization (You can basically change everything on stock android.)
Larger variety of apps (Keyboards such as Swype, Launchers, etc)
I Don't really see why people complain about android Crashes/FC. They rarely happen on Stock roms (Not enough to be annoying) and usually occur due to doing something that isn't meant to be done (Task managers, Bad ROMs), or a faulty app.
Also, Rooting is pretty useful. It basically allows you to do anything with your phone (Such as install ubuntu, Android roms, better Radios for better signals, uninstall system apps, etc)
Everything!! I'm on my way to root this very instant.
From my personal experience, Android is far superior than the iphone 4 (can't say much about 4s as i just upgraded from the iphone 4).
Yeah iphone 4 has more apps but the majority of them are useless and get boring FAST. Whereas, flashing roms like cyanogenmod is totally addicting and so much fun (shame my phone is stuck in alpha version for cyanogenmod). I havent seen much of a difference in the retina display because my phone's screen is larger, looks crisp and looks beautiful.
Best thing is if you dont want to root you can still install emulators for free regardless of rooting. I <3 pokemon on my android.
Choice is yours but i am never going back to iphone because my phone is more fun.
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Well I like iPhone. I am using Android now. I like the spirit of android that trust its' user.
I like android, because you can experiment a lot
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Apple makes something that just works. but if you don't like the way it works, too bad. Android devices work just as well, albeit differently, but it's nice to know that if there is anything in the UI that isn't to your liking, you can simply change it. in the early days of Android, the UI was sluggish and riddled with incompatibilities and crashes, which gave the iPhone a heightened sense of 'perfection.' this is a thing of the past. new, high-end Android devices are well-polished and just as snappy as any iPhone. ICS will further bridge the gap, especially in dual core devices.
one area Android cannot compete with Apple in, though, and I don't know if it will ever be able to: battery life.. and when you consider what the device is (above all else, it's a phone.. you probably need it to communicate, and therefore you probably want it to be powered on at all times), that's as important as any other feature. there's just no comparison. even if you spend 5 hours tweaking settings to minimize draw, your fancy shmancy Android device's battery will never last as long as an iPhone's. of course, again, we come back to the customization thing: with Android devices, you could just get a ludicrously overstuffed battery replacement and probably come near iPhone uptime, something you cannot do with Apple devices.
my honest opinion? (keep in mind I have owned 6 android devices since the Dream first came out.. I'm not an Apple fanboy at all - I'm not a fanboy of any fancy telephone. it's a phone, not my life) I would own an iPhone 4S over any current Android offering if I hadn't boycotted Apple years ago. they're not the type of business I willingly support... but give them respect when it's due: they make fantastic mobile devices.
for now, I'm more than happy with my MT4GS. I like the phys keyboard, which is superb, and I don't have to look like a halfwit when I'm sending e-mails on the go to the executive team. I like the hardware, which is identical to the Sensation's. I like the 3.7" screen coupled with HDPI resolution, which gives me plenty of viewing area on webpages and whatnot without crazy battery draw like you'll get from these gimmicky 5" HD screens. the camera is phenomenal for a phone. and even though it ships with the most disgusting form of Sense imaginable (T-mo's espresso), as I've said, it's easy to change things around to get the experience to my liking thanks to Android's ease of customization.
to all of the Android zealots who have posted here and will surely continue to post: get over it. the iPhone is the benchmark, that's the way it is, and in the foreseeable future, that's the way it will be. there's a reason for that, and it's not just because people who are Apple loyalists are idiots... ALL of apple's products are highly refined and very user friendly. if you're the kind of person who doesn't have the patience for technology, but wants to stay connected, you'd be dumb to go with anything but Apple. if you don't fit into that category; if you like to tinker, if you don't like feeling locked down by your mobile OS, buy an Android device and enjoy it... quit getting your panties in a bunch because the entire world doesn't see eye-to-eye with you concerning your choice in the realm of glorified telephones. if it works for you, that's all that matters, and who cares what your buddies with their iThings say? it's all just stuff in the end... stuff that will end up in a landfill just like the rest of the stuff you own.
just my $.02 (more like $.05, that was a novella)
I'd liken the iPhone to a safety bubble, where everything works well and doesn't overextend its boundaries. If you're someone who likes to tinker with everything, and wants more customizability, in terms of OS and phone choice, I'd go with Android.
This is how I recently described the difference between the iPhone and Android. I expected to get tutted at for saying it, but most people here agreed.
iPhones are for people who want to look like they know tech.
Android is for people that actually do know tech (or at least want to learn).
Nerds = android
IPhone = everyone else
If you wanna mod and my your phone and completely make it your own get an android.
The iPhone is great straight out of the box but is really locked down.
You basically need to tweak an Android phone to make it have decent battery life or get an extra battery.
Perks of android is options and oh btw ICS is amazing, it runs flawless on my phone, though I had to tweak it.
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Android is like having a normal car, with all the proper features. iOS is like having that car with only 1 pedal, 1 gear, and just the fuel gauge on the dashboard.
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Android is like having a normal car, with all the proper features. iOS is like having that car with only 1 pedal, 1 gear, and just the fuel gauge on the dashboard.
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....and it's shiny....
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Ah yes, polished chrome for paint job that just blinds everyone else including yourself. Also, mirrors show what's in front of you rather than behind.
Most of the stated I agree with. I'd add that to me, iPhones are boring. What do you have when you turn on iPhone? Just a bunch of icons. Not very creative or different? Not even animated wallpaper. On Adndroid, half the fun is customizing the desktop. You can have live wallpaper, widgets, folders, icons... And yes, iPhone is probably a BIT smoother and more stable than most Android phones. But this is not the fault of Android phones, it is more a thing that you can't do half the things with an iPhone that you can do with Android. Apple limited their device and ofcourse it performs better because it doesn't do many things android does. Imagine only Live Wallpaper. How much more CPU power Android phones must use in order to display animated background.... then all the widgets. That constantly change/update.... while Apple devices only display rows of icons and no wonder they run slightly smoother. And in the end, as someone already stated, I will never buy an Apple product because I don't like the attitude of people using Apple. Those are mostly non-tech people that think they are so cool only because of something they OWN. IMHO it is way more cool to be ABLE to customize your device and understand how it works and tweak it than to be able to PURCHASE something. Just like they say in new Samsung commercial... one guy says "I could never have Samsung, I'm creative" and his friend replies "Dude, you're a barista" ;-) 99% of thos cool people are not businessman or even IT. They're waiters and shop assistents that need an ego boost....
P.S.
here it is for those that haven't seen it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&feature=player_embedded&v=6h5JSojJN3Y
Well, just my opinion, hope I didn't insult anyone.
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D.
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Most of the stated I agree with. I'd add that to me, iPhones are boring. What do you have when you turn on iPhone? Just a bunch of icons. Not very creative or different? Not even animated wallpaper. On Adndroid, half the fun is customizing the desktop. You can have live wallpaper, widgets, folders, icons... And yes, iPhone is probably a BIT smoother and more stable than most Android phones. But this is not the fault of Android phones, it is more a thing that you can't do half the things with an iPhone that you can do with Android. Apple limited their device and ofcourse it performs better because it doesn't do many things android does. Imagine only Live Wallpaper. How much more CPU power Android phones must use in order to display animated background.... then all the widgets. That constantly change/update.... while Apple devices only display rows of icons and no wonder they run slightly smoother. And in the end, as someone already stated, I will never buy an Apple product because I don't like the attitude of people using Apple. Those are mostly non-tech people that think they are so cool only because of something they OWN. IMHO it is way more cool to be ABLE to customize your device and understand how it works and tweak it than to be able to PURCHASE something. Just like they say in new Samsung commercial... one guy says "I could never have Samsung, I'm creative" and his friend replies "Dude, you're a barista" ;-) 99% of thos cool people are not businessman or even IT. They're waiters and shop assistents that need an ego boost....
Well, just my opinion, hope I didn't insult anyone.
regards,
D.
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Also known as sheep.
Thing is, I have recently fled from the flock of sheep (I had an iphone 4, got it from a friend for free as I lost my Galaxy). I absolutely love the creative ability of android, I miss being in a moving truck instead of a shoebox. If you're deciding on which to get, it depends on what you want it to do;
Want something to just work? Get an iPhone.
Want the phone to be more flexible and allow you to customize almost every conceivably possible option? Get an android phone.
android can do what chuck norris cant
I know for a lot of average phone users, the argument is always, "Apple is so much easier to use!" It's understandable why people claim it's easier with Apple's focus on simplicity, unchanged UI, and locked down user environment on their OS. I've been using the latest jellybean and I'm trying to be as fair as possible giving my opinion for a non-techie/average phone user. I really think that Nexus (pure Android) is now as simplistic as iOS. Yes, there is a file system on android and other additional features, but average phone users mostly only explore home screens and other basic features. Jellybean UI only has the on-screen three navigation buttons with the three dot menu access either located at the top right of bottom right.
Apple only has the home button, but some times the back button is located in different areas of an app or to access shortcuts, you have to click the home button a certain amount of times which can not be very user friendly for people that just want to 'see' the button to access what they want. I've been using my parents' phones (HTC EVO 4G) and I agree gingerbread or other older android versions for that matter are hard to use for an average user. There's too many navigation buttons, phone's touch input is bad, plenty of needed improvements on an unsupported android version, and gingerbread is slow. I believe new comers can adapt very easily to Jellybean; everything is fast, fluid, attractive, and has become much more simplistic for setting up or accessing everyday features on the phone.
What do you guys think? Have you convinced family or friends to convert to the Nexus line of Android?
Ive been trying so hard to convert my gf from her icrap... Geez she had a droid bionic before i knew her but that had old gingerbread and skinned with blur(the worst ui for android) aosp or nexus is way to go
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Ive been trying so hard to convert my gf from her icrap... Geez she had a droid bionic before i knew her but that had old gingerbread and skinned with blur(the worst ui for android) aosp or nexus is way to go
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Yeah. I need to sit down with some people who own iPhones and just show them side-by-side everyday tasks on Nexus (aosp). For example, telling them to show you how to attach a photo to a text message and then showing how to do it on Android. It's virtually the same and everything is much nicer on Android.
I'll say up front that I've owned Apple products and would consider doing so again.
iOS is a flaming heap of crap when it comes to the UI. It was what the user-base needed when smartphones where new, but we have so much more functionality now that it's ridiculous not to integrate it.
iOS is that person that still thinks it's the 1980s. Really garish and outdated, but not old enough to be classic and cool - or at least make people smile at how quaint it seems. It's everyone in Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days - those people that had an awesome time in high-school and now can't think of anything else.
I understand wanting to keep things the same for "non-tech" people who don't want to learn a new system every time they get a new phone. This is why they need to integrate small changes and improvements over time and teach people how to use them by explaining in a tutorial/greeting on the phone. I feel that Google does a very good job of that.
3/4 of my parents and step-parents have Android devices - and they have all picked it up pretty quickly.
My mom has a dumbphone on which she doesn't text and probably uses less than five minutes a month and still asks me how to attach files in an e-mail. I helped her pick out, buy, and set-up a TF700. She seems to be doing really well with it - a lot of people I've spoken with feel that an Android tablet is more "tech n00b" friendly than even a traditional computer - it's simple, everything is easy-to-find (and you usually don't need to go mucking around in the file-system), and you can reach out and touch what you want to do which is more natural for many than using the mouse.
She originally was thinking of an iPad, but it honestly wasn't the best choice for her. She needed a good camera (work-related) and the iPads that were in her price-range didn't have very great ones - and having a microSD card slot means that she doesn't have to worry about her video-recording taking up too much internal space even if she forgets to delete them when she's done. And she has the processing power and RAM that what she does isn't skipping and struggling when going back and forth through frames of HD video (something she specifically mentioned being worried about).
I think she would have been fine with an iPad, but she didn't have the budget for a newer one. Android offers options, customisation, and competition. Manufacturers are willing to take chances and try new things that might fail - whereas Apple plays it safe. I give credit to Apple for being the force to really push tablets into the mainstream - I just hope that iOS can get some much-needed innovation.
I believe my friend's "tech impaired" mom got an S3 and is doing fine. Touchwiz might be more bloated than Stock, but it does a pretty good job of being simple and teaching new users how to use it without overwhelming them. I think Samsung has done a great job with the S3 and their push behind it - offering something that appeals to many users and many different needs, allowing everyone to get what they want out of it. To me, that's what Android is all about - options, choices, and finding what's best for yourself.
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I'll say up front that I've owned Apple products and would consider doing so again.
iOS is a flaming heap of crap when it comes to the UI. It was what the user-base needed when smartphones where new, but we have so much more functionality now that it's ridiculous not to integrate it.
iOS is that person that still thinks it's the 1980s. Really garish and outdated, but not old enough to be classic and cool - or at least make people smile at how quaint it seems. It's everyone in Bruce Springsteen's Glory Days - those people that had an awesome time in high-school and now can't think of anything else.
I understand wanting to keep things the same for "non-tech" people who don't want to learn a new system every time they get a new phone. This is why they need to integrate small changes and improvements over time and teach people how to use them by explaining in a tutorial/greeting on the phone. I feel that Google does a very good job of that.
3/4 of my parents and step-parents have Android devices - and they have all picked it up pretty quickly.
My mom has a dumbphone on which she doesn't text and probably uses less than five minutes a month and still asks me how to attach files in an e-mail. I helped her pick out, buy, and set-up a TF700. She seems to be doing really well with it - a lot of people I've spoken with feel that an Android tablet is more "tech n00b" friendly than even a traditional computer - it's simple, everything is easy-to-find (and you usually don't need to go mucking around in the file-system), and you can reach out and touch what you want to do which is more natural for many than using the mouse.
She originally was thinking of an iPad, but it honestly wasn't the best choice for her. She needed a good camera (work-related) and the iPads that were in her price-range didn't have very great ones - and having a microSD card slot means that she doesn't have to worry about her video-recording taking up too much internal space even if she forgets to delete them when she's done. And she has the processing power and RAM that what she does isn't skipping and struggling when going back and forth through frames of HD video (something she specifically mentioned being worried about).
I think she would have been fine with an iPad, but she didn't have the budget for a newer one. Android offers options, customisation, and competition. Manufacturers are willing to take chances and try new things that might fail - whereas Apple plays it safe. I give credit to Apple for being the force to really push tablets into the mainstream - I just hope that iOS can get some much-needed innovation.
I believe my friend's "tech impaired" mom got an S3 and is doing fine. Touchwiz might be more bloated than Stock, but it does a pretty good job of being simple and teaching new users how to use it without overwhelming them. I think Samsung has done a great job with the S3 and their push behind it - offering something that appeals to many users and many different needs, allowing everyone to get what they want out of it. To me, that's what Android is all about - options, choices, and finding what's best for yourself.
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This post is excellent. Apple does integrate small changes in the software every year, with the same minor upgraded phone that, "Changes it all." Problem is, is their platform is not moving fast enough and every software upgrade is poorly integrated leaving lag for multitasking and the notification bar to name a few. Apple definitely started the revolutionizing of smartphones and tablets into the mainstream, but I feel like they are no longer as innovative or exciting to hear about. Android has many phones across their platform with different themed phones that can deter users to go and choose an iPhone, but like you said it also gives the user many options and customization.
How come you didn't just buy your mom a phone for hd photo/video and rendering? Tablets are kind of awkward to hold for users who want to do that. I know that Apple has more apps optimized for their tablet, but on a budget, they're not the best buy. The best buy right now is the Nexus 7 or 10, but no sd card slot. You think she would need more than 16-32gb and additional cloud storage? Many "tech-impaired" people are still able to use old android phones quite well - more than I would want to. If they could just see what newer android phones offer, they're so much easier to use and it should no longer be said that, "Apple is so much easier to use than Android!" It's simply not true anymore - especially for the Nexus (pure Android) devices I'm talking about.
Google does do a great job of user-interactive tutorials first setting up the phone. I hate to be completely biased; I've had Apple devices in the past and am around them nearly everyday. They don't have that excitement or new features that have been on Android for awhile now. Not to mention how locked down their hardware and software is - slowing down development. I've also heard recently that Apple's new approach for their devices and software, is what they feel is the best for their interest and not the communities interest. That right there completely turns me off of ever owning one of their devices and I'll continue to support Google as they're my favorite company.
Another argument you'll always hear is, "Well Apple just has so many more apps and they work better." Well, they been around longer than Android and recently Android announced they have around 675000 apps now which is nearly identical to the Apple store. Pretty impressive considering how much longer Apple has been out. Also, saying they work better is entirely not true. There's been many tests on apps on both platforms and apps perform better on newer versions of Android. I just bought a Nexus 4 for $300 off-contract featuring a quad-core cpu, 2gb ram, true hd ips+ lcd screen, and the latest purest version of android. Does it get better than that?
I'm sorta interested in this phone because of the camera. Anyone working on or know of an android port being worked up for this guy?
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I'm sorta interested in this phone because of the camera. Anyone working on or know of an android port being worked up for this guy?
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There's no such thing. People have enough time just hacking Windows Phone. You'll probably have to wait until Microsoft abandons WP and Nokia is free to make Android phones. At least a few more years. Microsoft has lots of money.
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There's no such thing. People have enough time just hacking Windows Phone. You'll probably have to wait until Microsoft abandons WP and Nokia is free to make Android phones. At least a few more years. Microsoft has lots of money.
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Here's to hoping such a thing does come true some time in the near future. "Nokita" is trying to wrestle Nokia from Microsoft because they know the OS is garbage.
I would love to have this camera phone at concerts and other low light situations.
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Here's to hoping such a thing does come true some time in the near future. "Nokita" is trying to wrestle Nokia from Microsoft because they know the OS is garbage.
I would love to have this camera phone at concerts and other low light situations.
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I came to this thread for the same reasons as the OP.
So, in short, there's no way to hack Android onto the 1020 (yet)?
Are there regular updates and/or leaked ROMs for Windows Phone OS?
Never seen Windows Phone myself (other than a few seconds in videos and still pics) but why does it suck in your view?
I find windows very slick. I have come from Symbian, which I liked and also tried android which I didn't like. The 1020 is a very smooth phone with a great camera. The only complaint I hear from people is the app store, but to be honest that not an issue for me as I don't buy phones for the apps.
Having owned many Android devices, and having come from being a 2.5 year iPhone user, I have to laugh at your comment. Windows Phone 8 is nowhere near "Garbage", and your statement is a clear indicator that you haven't used it and your opinion on the matter is of no value. WP, unlike Android, is fast, stable and consistent across devices. It offers unique features, and unlike Android, isn't hobbled by yet another copy of the 30+ year old Xerox Parc UI paradigm.
Nokia's board has approved the sale, thankfully. There will never, EVER be a Nokia phone with Android, and that's a GOOD thing. Android is a crap OS for anyone but people who like to endlessly **** with their phone. For people who like their devices to be highly usable, stable, reliable and work-focused, Windows Phone is a far better choice.
I personally abandoned Android on tablets and iOS on everything, and I won't be going back. Windows offers a better experience, kiddies.
kaslopis said:
Here's to hoping such a thing does come true some time in the near future. "Nokita" is trying to wrestle Nokia from Microsoft because they know the OS is garbage.
I would love to have this camera phone at concerts and other low light situations.
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kaslopis said:
Here's to hoping such a thing does come true some time in the near future. "Nokita" is trying to wrestle Nokia from Microsoft because they know the OS is garbage.
I would love to have this camera phone at concerts and other low light situations.
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You know, I don't care what phone you use. Android, IOS, whatever (I've had them all). Different phones will have ups and downs depending on your usage. They all have something that we like and something that we don't and its up to you to choose which is best for you but if I'm being honest, you're statement just makes you sound like a total knob head. It's baseless dribble and obviously from someone that's never used WP8 in any kind of serious fashion.
You can knock the apps which by the way are increasing everyday as people realize that this is a real OS, but don't make yourself sound like a complete moron.
Just my 2 cents. Have a nice day.
mobi said:
You know, I don't care what phone you use. Android, IOS, whatever (I've had them all). Different phones will have ups and downs depending on your usage. They all have something that we like and something that we don't and its up to you to choose which is best for you but if I'm being honest, you're statement just makes you sound like a total knob head. It's baseless dribble and obviously from someone that's never used WP8 in any kind of serious fashion.
You can knock the apps which by the way are increasing everyday as people realize that this is a real OS, but don't make yourself sound like a complete moron.
Just my 2 cents. Have a nice day.
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Oh lord, forgive me for knocking a WP around WP enthusiast. Shoot -- why not just stick with a rock solid Blackberry; what could possibly go wrong? I have owned an HTC Radar and no, I did not have a good experience overall. It is pretty much garbage when no one wants to develop for it. I for one enjoy the versatility of an android phone, that's all I need.
http://liliputing.com/2013/11/nokita-wants-to-buy-nokia-before-microsoft-can-only-needs-10-billion-by-november-19th.html
Hey believe me I'm happy you guys are Mc'lovin WP, but I believe Nokia is making a bad move. Hopefully I'm wrong. Pz
kaslopis said:
Oh lord, forgive me for knocking a WP around WP enthusiast. Shoot -- why not just stick with a rock solid Blackberry; what could possibly go wrong? I have owned an HTC Radar and no, I did not have a good experience overall. It is pretty much garbage when no one wants to develop for it. I for one enjoy the versatility of an android phone, that's all I need.
http://liliputing.com/2013/11/nokita-wants-to-buy-nokia-before-microsoft-can-only-needs-10-billion-by-november-19th.html
Hey believe me I'm happy you guys are Mc'lovin WP, but I believe Nokia is making a bad move. Hopefully I'm wrong. Pz
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I hardly think an htc radar is even a remotely good example a of a good windows phone. You really need to look a phone that isn't more than two years old.
cambo1 said:
I hardly think an htc radar is even a remotely good example a of a good windows phone. You really need to look a phone that isn't more than two years old.
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I really think it is of no concern if it is an entry level or high end device when it comes to developing for something that you need. This is what kaslopis was talking about i think...
Everyone can see that from the store, where i can find only 2 apps from the ~ 10 apps i use every day on my android phone.
I am also thinking of switching sides, but i could not live without those apps. So maybe i will wait another year, but then lumia 1020 won't be such an up to date device.
I so hate microsoft for not encouraging developers. the apps in the store are a silly joke. Most of them look like they were designed to run on 240*320 java phones...
http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/10/5197746/nokia-android-phone-normandy
really?
jasongw said:
Having owned many Android devices, and having come from being a 2.5 year iPhone user, I have to laugh at your comment. Windows Phone 8 is nowhere near "Garbage", and your statement is a clear indicator that you haven't used it and your opinion on the matter is of no value. WP, unlike Android, is fast, stable and consistent across devices. It offers unique features, and unlike Android, isn't hobbled by yet another copy of the 30+ year old Xerox Parc UI paradigm.
Nokia's board has approved the sale, thankfully. There will never, EVER be a Nokia phone with Android, and that's a GOOD thing. Android is a crap OS for anyone but people who like to endlessly **** with their phone. For people who like their devices to be highly usable, stable, reliable and work-focused, Windows Phone is a far better choice.
I personally abandoned Android on tablets and iOS on everything, and I won't be going back. Windows offers a better experience, kiddies.
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Funny they just announced some.
Soulripper180 said:
I'm sorta interested in this phone because of the camera. Anyone working on or know of an android port being worked up for this guy?
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The only reason to by this phone - camera that takes 7K pictures in RAW format. Nothing else. The applications that you could use the
to read
Coffee Reader (supports OPDS libraries)
to buy
eBay app
Social
Instagram (beta), Facebook
to listen
Pandora
and pretty much that's it. very limited amount of apps but it doesn't matter because of the camera.
Best camera ever. That's all.
Well, I said it all. Sorry WP lovers.
If you are moving from Android to WP, you will be going to regret it. This phone offers greatest even mobile phone. There is nothing else in it.
I do not say Android does not have any bugs or area or improvements. But, the Windows, which is still the king of desktops/laptops lags light years when it comes to mobile phone.
Here is quick summary:
+ Best camera
+ Good preloaded Photo edit softwares.
+ Cortana - Personal voice assistant.
+ Cool animation of the menu.
- Pathetic App store. Hardly any usable Apps. Most of them are fake.
- You never know where the file went after receiving over Bluetooth.
- I don't know why I can play only 20% of copies songs (copied from Windows laptop)!! It just refuses to show the rest.
- Even a simple setting is hidden as if it were a secret. Do some Treasure Hunt to understand the phone.
- Last, never drop the phone even from a height of 1 foot. (I dropped it and front glass shattered. you can not just replace the glass, but the whole display assembly. That will increase your repair charges from few dollars to 100+ dollars). Yes it has Gorilla glass!! (which, I later realized, is just scratch proof, not shatter proof).
Well, i am still using this phone just for the camera.