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i know this is not the place for this, i dont even know why am i doing this, but i felt the need to say it: as imperfect as it is, with all our noobs, experienced users, rom cooking just for the fun of it, donations (hell, smb was willing to donate even a whole kaiser!!), advices for free, fun all around, helpful persons willing to help just because we share a common passion...
... all these mean so much to me and in my eyes they are a lot more beautiful than the world we see everyday.
dont know exactly why i had to say this, but please go on and keep it as such. also, thanks to all of you for putting your little brick at the foundation of a beautiful building!
as smb was saying in another post, love is in the air... maybe its the spring...
Although it's a bit twee, I have to agree.
The concept of developers & users sharing ideas and code and actually HELPING each other in return for donations to the level you can afford is a fantastic concept - and one that Microsoft would do well to learn from (amongst others).
The end result is everyone is MUCH happier and the product is much better. The only problem is I suspect nobody on here could make a living from it...
I'm feeling all teary eyed now. But you guys & gals are right. Group hug.
Let's all sing together now.
Koom By Ya...... why am I the only one singing?
Sorry....
I was too busy reaching for the kleenex box
hehe... bunch of nerds... really!!... get all hot and flustered at the idea of a new rom or some cab file... it's so sweet...
isn't there a restaurant in London with no prices on the menu but where patrons pay what they believe the meal is worth? Remember hearing about it years ago. Wonder if they still in business.
Yeah there are some talented cooks/programmers on this site. It's a wonderful site for owners of pda's looking for a little doctoring of their phones and I wish xda-developers.com all the best in the future...
Because...
ionutz6 said:
i know this is not the place for this, i dont even know why am i doing this...
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...you fell down and cracked your head ?
Just kidding mate
I cracked my screen last night.... was thinking of having a service for my phone.... bagpipes and everything... let me know if you guys will be coming.
What the hell's the matter with you blundering boobs & sniveling sissies?
This belongs in the Development Forum why?
And you Tater, kumbaya????
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What the hell's the matter with you blundering boobs & sniveling sissies?
This belongs in the Development Forum why?
And you Tater, kumbaya????
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...you just hurt my feelings...
I agree
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love is in the air... maybe its the spring...
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I am totaly Agree, specialy If you post something, if it is already posted, there is alot of love around...Yeah its the spring
i must say its very touching what u wrote and very true. even though i am new to xda being here has truly been a wonderful experience.
The amount of knowledge is truly monumental.
now on singing kombaya i need some body to give me a beat ...
its not even about money or anything, its about people. just hearing that laurentius spent one whole day (9am - 12pm) to tweak a new rom for us, for you, for anybody, made me think that passion is everything, or anyway a lot more than what people are forced to do for a living.
ive been reading this forum for over 2 years now and remember a lot of things, funny posts, things that, together with the great pieces of software developed, made my day now and then. thank ya all for this!
as you say, this is a silly thread and should under no circumstances stay especially here under the rom development section. kyphur, related to a discussion from laurentius new diamond rom thread, feel free to delete all these.
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i must say its very touching what u wrote and very true. even though i am new to xda being here has truly been a wonderful experience.
The amount of knowledge is truly monumental.
now on singing kombaya i need some body to give me a beat ...
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as most of you probably, i am user on different forums as well. although some amount of flaming is present here as well, it is under no circumstances comparable to things happening on other sites and im grateful to all of you for this.
maybe we should have the national hymn of xdadev, for example Kombaya, somewhere to be downloaded or at least to be visible.
Me too!
Just wanted to add my agreement and appreciation for all that is offered from xda and the people that make it all work. A heart felt "Thank you very much!"
Delete this thread? NEVER...
I'll just move it to someplace more appropriate (but I did leave a perm redirect so it's always hooked to Kaiser Rom Dev)...
True, true... To be honest the only reason I keep buying HTC devices is xda-developers community Although HTC with their support and behavior is trying really hard to persuade me from these decisions on buying new HTC hardware )
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True, true... To be honest the only reason I keep buying HTC devices is xda-developers community Although HTC with their support and behavior is trying really hard to persuade me from these decisions on buying new HTC hardware )
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Agreed, if I were head of marketing for HTC I would pay Dutty (amongst others) to continue cooking roms for our devices.
OMG, sensitive nerds! *turns around and sneaks away*
Just to also add few thoughts on this forum.
This year I bought my first ever PDA, and had to go to considerable trouble to have it delivered here. In a country where the concept of customer support is not yet in existence, and with thousand noob questions, this forum has provided all the help that I needed. So, this forum means a lot to people like me who have no access to official customer support services or other facilities available elsewhere.
My only regret is that as yet, I am unable to more actively contribute to the great community here.
Thanks XDA developers and keep it up.
Okay, I just wanted to share with everyone here how the mods act. Despite my good intentions with my thread yesterday about people considering temp root over S-OFF for simple bloatware removal, I was flamed into oblivion by the revolution whores here.
Now today, I wake up to find a moderator has decided to run it into my face with this PM:
mrg02d,
I wanted to let you know that your thread, S-OFF isnt for Everyone, READ first!,has been moved from the Sensation Generalforum to the trash forum.
Thanks!
benko286
Who the hell is the head nerd here? Id like to find out if this is out the "management" rolls?
Funny that I have more "thanks" than this asshole mod.
Oh well, I still have my GF and my great Electrical Engineering job! That, and so many other things to mention that OWN you, benk0286.
Id like a head mod to explain to me how this action by benko286 was in line with the forum?
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Oh well, I still have my GF and my great Electrical Engineering job! That, and so many other things to mention that OWN you, benk0286.
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Wow! A girlfriend AND a job? That is proof positive that you clearly win at life and your thread should be moved back.
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And you need to learn how to spell, Mr. Electrical Engineer!
Here come the nerds to benkos side! Lets get it on. Sorry, I dont type as well as you do. My job doesnt require me to type, it requires me to THINK.
And yes, I win at life and have tiger's blood that would melt you.
To other mods that see this. This is what happens when you act like a ****head and PM people like Benko did me. Did you think I would let that fly? You cannot be a mod, do that ****, then expect people to let you get away with it.
This thread had no point other than to fight back AND let others see what kind of mods this forum has. I hope there are some decent mods that show up.
Oh yea, insulting someone's spelling is the most trivial method of flaming. It shows you have very little creativity, which is likely attributed to you being a sexually frustrated teen boy.
If you are going to flame, then do so with some ingenuity.
To the rest of this forum, the ones that either agree with me, or simply dont agree with flaming somone with a different opinion, this is just me letting out some steam over the poor moderation I see going on. I intend to return to normally scheduled programming, but thought that BENKO needed to be brought to justice. The community ought know who is "watching" them and editing their posts.
Matt
I agree with you at the spelling thing. its for people who are only Good at spelling, nothing else
I hates when some D-bag comes from no where and making a comment on missing letter go figure he finally found something that he know about.
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Oh yea, insulting someone is the most trivial method of flaming. It shows you have very little creativity, which is likely attributed to you being a sexually frustrated teen boy.
If you are going to flame, then do so with some ingenuity.
To the rest of this forum, the ones that either agree with me, or simply dont agree with flaming somone with a different opinion, this is just me letting out some steam over the poor moderation I see going on. I intend to return to normally scheduled programming, but thought that BENKO needed to be brought to justice. The community ought know who is "watching" them and editing their posts.
Matt
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FTFY
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I dont know what FTFY means...You forgot, I have a job and a life, little child.
I suppose you will tell me to google it? Well, I wont. Its no different than an immigrant speaking a different language to me knowing damn well that I dont speak theirs.
Matt
Wow pick your teddy and your dummy up.
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I dont know what FTFY means...You forgot, I have a job and a life, little child.
I suppose you will tell me to google it? Well, I wont. Its no different than an immigrant speaking a different language to me knowing damn well that I dont speak theirs.
Matt
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You come to a "geeky" forum on the Internet and don't know what a simple abbreviation means? That's like being an "engineer" and not knowing how to spell professional.
Not everyone here is a little child with no life, by the way. But whatever makes you feel better!
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You come to a "geeky" forum on the Internet and don't know what a simple abbreviation means? That's like being an "engineer" and not knowing how to spell professional.
Not everyone here is a little child with no life, by the way. But whatever makes you feel better!
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That would be like an ENGLISH TEACHER not knowing how to spell professional...Seriously, you made that too easy!
Why would I know what that abbreviation means? Why would most people know what that means?
Well, it DOES make me feel better to know that you may be the only little child, with no life here. Thanks!
But this thread needs to get back on topic...This is to bring to light the fact that mods here need to step up their game and improve the quality of their work. This isnt the first time I have seen issues with mods mentioned. This forum likes to take pride in itself, yes? Well, you can only be as good as your leadership.
mrg02d said:
That would be like an ENGLISH TEACHER not knowing how to spell professional...Seriously, you made that too easy!
Why would I know what that abbreviation means? Why would most people know what that means?
Well, it DOES make me feel better to know that you may be the only little child, with no life here. Thanks!
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Sorry, I thought in 4+ years of higher education, a grown adult with a *gasp* girlfriend would know some simple spelling, or realize how immature it is to fly off the handle in a public forum for no reason.
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@Matt - I feel your pain man. Sometimes as mods, people get a little over zealous with their cleanup powers. Just remember, one mod doesn't necessarily express the views of the whole community.
I was entertained by your thread personally. It was a great alternative for people not wanting to go through the whole process.
Also, remember, with the nature of this forum, its bound to attract adolescents. I'd put my money on that, there the ones who derailled your thread. As for spelling, well, I have large thumbs and don't check my spelling ever. Especially when typing from mobile devices.
Sit back and relax with a fresh cup of Joe! Pm another mod and kindly ask them to resurrect your thread from the trash. Don't let the interwebs upset you. Lives too short for drama.
I like original thoughts, hence engineers!
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@Matt - I feel your pain man. Sometimes as mods, people get a little over zealous with their cleanup powers. Just remember, one mod doesn't necessarily express the views of the whole community.
I was entertained by your thread personally. It was a great alternative for people not wanting to go through the whole process.
Also, remember, with the nature of this forum, its bound to attract adolescents. I'd put my money on that, there the ones who derailled your thread. As for spelling, well, I have large thumbs and don't check my spelling ever. Especially when typing from mobile devices.
Sit back and relax with a fresh cup of Joe! Pm another mod and kindly ask them to resurrect your thread from the trash. Don't let the interwebs upset you. Lives too short for drama.
I like original thoughts, hence engineers!
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Finally, someone with some decency around here! Its like a breath of fresh air!
Also, thanks for splash of cold water! I needed it...You have a point about the the bugs I have been attracting.
Amazing what coffee can do!
Where might I find a list of mods?
Thanks!
Matt
I'll look around for the list. On the forums I mod/ admin on, the mods names are on the designated forum so all can see. Not the case here.
Not only have them resurrect it, see if they'll delete any trolling comments as well.
This guy seems reasonable http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=2235607 I pm'd him the other day.
But yes- should have removed the OT posts instead of trashing the whole thread.
By the way, sorry to see a new member treated is such a manner. Not a very warm welcome to the community.
You need to stop Matt. A PM to the mod would be best.... Not posting a new thread to get flamed again.
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I find it funny that op is calling everyone a child yet he is the one that made a thread complaining about moderators on an internet message board.
Sounds like whining to me.
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To be honest it's was a pointless thread.
Since original thread was closed (just as I said it would even without a good reason) as I was typing answer below
I feel obliged to answer it here
Well, looks like it is. Any criticism of xda is not tolerated here, and this thread will lead to criticism.
If you still care for my opinion...
No, sharing is not xda spirit anymore, well at least not for some people. Popularity and donations is, by the looks of it.
I do not say that this applies to everyone, only to certain people, and it looks like xda supports it in general.
And members cannot express their view if their view goes against what xda likes to hear.
SOPA anyone?
Just saying
If you decide to post something in this thread, please consider that there should be no flaming, profanities etc, so xda does not have good grounds to close it.
matmar said:
Members can express their view and i do not think it is pointless or against xda rules...it is ? If yes i apologize by advance....
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....sigh....
Well, for me it's another sad sad day for XDA.
I'm "really" thinking HTC should step in, collect THEIR assets once and for all.
This is never going to stop this way. This was (yes was) a sharing community, and honestly is doesn't feel like a community anymore.
For me, and I regret to say this, the only real solution for this is when HTC relocks their bootloaders so custom roms become a thing from history.
There's just too much showing off, whining this, whining that and all other crap going on.
And really what is the point??
We are all in the same boat, wanting the exact same thing!
I just cannot understand this.
We buy HTC especially for this line of "work".
People should think twice or even five times before letting their d... deside.
Anyway, my 2 cents (IC's )
Lol, you should have known it would happen.
Peeps, let's keep it social here.
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....sigh....
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sigh is right! We're all sighing!
tinky1 said:
Since original thread was closed (just as I said it would even without a good reason) as I was typing answer below
I feel obliged to answer it here
Well, looks like it is. Any criticism of xda is not tolerated here, and this thread will lead to criticism.
If you still care for my opinion...
No, sharing is not xda spirit anymore, well at least not for some people. Popularity and donations is, by the looks of it.
I do not say that this applies to everyone, only to certain people, and it looks like xda supports it in general.
And members cannot express their view if their view goes against what xda likes to hear.
SOPA anyone?
Just saying
If you decide to post something in this thread, please consider that there should be no flaming, profanities etc, so xda does not have good grounds to close it.
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and this is why I love you tinky. I wnted to voice my own opinion but didn't. You did it for me! for us!
Tinky for president? Which country though
Lol, just lol.
KAwAtA said:
sigh is right! We're all sighing!
and this is why I love you tinky. I wnted to voice my own opinion but didn't. You did it for me! for us!
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Trollville recently outvoted me... perhaps you could replace me
Just sayin'
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Tinky for president? Which country though
Lol, just lol.
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tinky1 said:
Since original thread was closed (just as I said it would even without a good reason) as I was typing answer below
I feel obliged to answer it here
Well, looks like it is. Any criticism of xda is not tolerated here, and this thread will lead to criticism.
If you still care for my opinion...
No, sharing is not xda spirit anymore, well at least not for some people. Popularity and donations is, by the looks of it.
I do not say that this applies to everyone, only to certain people, and it looks like xda supports it in general.
And members cannot express their view if their view goes against what xda likes to hear.
SOPA anyone?
Just saying
If you decide to post something in this thread, please consider that there should be no flaming, profanities etc, so xda does not have good grounds to close it.
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The sharing mentality of XDA has not gone away. But it's certainly been reduced in light of WinZip wizards and cocky chefs who think they're God's gift to a device. The heart of this latest flare up is the simple fact that 3 devs refuse to work together or cooperate in any way. We (the moderators) deal with hundreds of reported posts everyday, and quite frankly I pitty the members who allow such infantile sh*t to occur.
Regarding sharing: Just because someone has a source that allows them early access to a file, which has happened since all the way back in WM's days here, they are under zero obligation to share it with anyone else. Most times this can risk exposing the source, which could potentially shut everyone down.
The key difference between then (WM) and now (Android) is that everyone seems to be more concerned with beating everyone else to the release, thereby claiming all the glory and potential donations. Sharing is very much still alive here, but it seems otherwise due to device popularity causing competition as opposed to cooperation. Back when smartphones were reserved for the geeks and otherwise tech savvy people, the community was much smaller, and knew each other on what was sometimes a personal level. We all worked together for a common goal. Don't believe me, have a look around the older sections of XDA, and try to count on more than 1 hand how many chefs/devs ever mention the word donations. Now do the same in the Android areas, and try to find 5 chefs/devs/winzip wizards who don't ask for them.
Ok here's how it is.......
Some of you may not like this but it needs to be said.......
Sharing is and always has been encouraged here on XDA. That said,if someone has a valid reason not to publicly share something, nobody has the right to hold that against them....
The situation we have here is not caused by one single person and is certainly not caused by XDA as a whole, it is not even directly related to the sharing aspect.
What we have here is a situation blown completely out of proportion due to a combination of over inflated egos and petty personal disputes.
First guy said:
"whaaa whaa whaa I want what he's got.........."
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"Dude, you should totally troll his thread, oh yeah and the mods are nazis... trololololol"
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There are many many users and developers across the board who need to take a step back from their screen for a second, stuff a hand down the front of their pants to check if there's a set of balls in there....
If there is then they should take that as sign that its time to pull their head out of their arse and stop acting like eight year old girls fighting over a hairbrush...........
This is a development forum. Not a playground. This problem is not specific to the Sensation forums either, it permeates throughout the entire site so do not be surprised when the moderation team take action against a user who has violated the rules of the forum.
That is what we are here to do.
Due to the large number of whiny trolls currently infesting the forums, threads such as this only create drama and bring back the problems we are trying to eliminate. (Whether that was the OP's intention or not)
Nobody on the moderation team has a problem with criticism.
I have many issues with this site. If someone were to tell me I cannot raise them then I would tell them to go **** themselves. However, there is a right way of going about this and a wrong way.
Any user is always welcome to contact a moderator about any concerns they might have. Should you have a problem with a particular moderator then contact a member of the moderator committee or an admin. (a list is in my sig btw)
Contrary to popular belief, the mod team is not some elitist "old boys club" and we do not play favourites. Each and every moderator is expected to adhere to a code of conduct and can expect to be promptly dismissed should they not do so.
That however does not mean that we will not make unpopular decision should the need arise.
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Come On!
I am just plain dissapointed.. I think that the dev should share what they find, after all did they create the base no.... where do they get it? sharing!!! I am leaning away from xda community as of late for reasons revolving around this exact problem!! And now favorite dev for sensation is not here!!
Very, very true. Unfortunately xda seems to prefer to just close thread, give infractions, and try to shut everyone up instead of trying to encourage cooperation. Shall we try to change something here together, as a community?
P. S. Nice to see mods participating in conversation. Maybe(hopefully) it's a beginning of a better relationship?
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The sharing mentality of XDA has not gone away. But it's certainly been reduced in light of WinZip wizards and cocky chefs who think they're God's gift to a device. The heart of this latest flare up is the simple fact that 3 devs refuse to work together or cooperate in any way. We (the moderators) deal with hundreds of reported posts everyday, and quite frankly I pitty the members who allow such infantile sh*t to occur.
Regarding sharing: Just because someone has a source that allows them early access to a file, which has happened since all the way back in WM's days here, they are under zero obligation to share it with anyone else. Most times this can risk exposing the source, which could potentially shut everyone down.
The key difference between then (WM) and now (Android) is that everyone seems to be more concerned with beating everyone else to the release, thereby claiming all the glory and potential donations. Sharing is very much still alive here, but it seems otherwise due to device popularity causing competition as opposed to cooperation. Back when smartphones were reserved for the geeks and otherwise tech savvy people, the community was much smaller, and knew each other on what was sometimes a personal level. We all worked together for a common goal. Don't believe me, have a look around the older sections of XDA, and try to count on more than 1 hand how many chefs/devs ever mention the word donations. Now do the same in the Android areas, and try to find 5 chefs/devs/winzip wizards who don't ask for them.
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I agree with both MTM AND NATF, and since I am one of the oldest members still active here, I can also confirm what NATF just said. We need cooperation between Devs and not pride wars.
Unfortunately this is not the case...
Winzip wizzard here (actually i use total commander but thats another story) - no irony here, if anyone has enough time to search my history on xda he will see i always said i'm cooking i'm not developing.
back to the discussion.
"they are under zero obligation to share it with anyone else. Most times this can risk exposing the source, which could potentially shut everyone down."
yes is true XDA can't make people share their source - 100% agree
risk of exposure ? i doubt is the case ,these test build are leaked with HTC's OK, we do the final beta testing for free . Let's not get into conspiracy theories here.
Is not just 3 devs who have a problem, again if anyone has the time to search xda will see one of the chefs had arguments with a lot more than 2 chefs .
Donations. I personally don't ask for them, i accept them .
As for me, i never wanted to be the 1st, and in the rare moments i had a thing 1st i shared it, i never cared about my thread rating and didn't cry when i got 1 star instead of five and so on. don't believe me ? again use the search .
about sharing, good or bad, 1st or the latest, i always said everyone is free to use what they want and do whatever they want with my zip-mods
IMHO I think XDA uses the term recognized developer far too loosely.
mudhi is a developer, LEEDROiD a developer. Mike1986 has no code knowledge (there was a very heated discussion via PM between him and me about that, I won and he left me.alone eventually) and all "his" mods made by other people. he is not the only one, don't think I say this just to have a go at mike, there are also other but at least baadnewz does do own mods, search back to 2.08 base and his own mod based on the beats audio mod (can't remember the original developer)
these people like mike think a bit of hocus pocus in dsixda kitchen make them developers, IT DOES NOT (IMO)
I say this and many of you will be thinking I am a hypocrite. Ha, I know flash ActionScript, JavaScript, HTML, CSS, tiny bit of PHP, and some java as well as currently learning smali, I came originally from DFG StarMods (where I now have the honour of being one of the admins) which is a flash theme development site for Samsung phones (like tocco lite, star, Monte and the jet)
And another thing, if people make a ROM based on a new leak/release but choose not to share the RUU, then they really have no grounds to complain about kangs because they brought it on themselves by refusing to share. If they share, kangs won't happen so I think it is unfair for baad to have received infraction because it is only human nature for users to want the best, the newest etc
p.s all apk files libs etc from any of our ROMs belong to HTC not the chefs
there are a bit more than beats stuff.
ported amaze camera and album to work on every 2.3.3-2.3.5 sense 3/3.5 rom
when was the 1st leak of android 2.3.4 from Chinese source i was the one who made location / friendstream / stock etc. to work with it and so on
baadnewz said:
there are a bit more than beats stuff.
ported amaze camera and album to work on every 2.3.3-2.3.5 sense 3/3.5 rom
when was the 1st leak of android 2.3.4 from Chinese source i was the one who made location / friendstream / stock etc. to work with it and so on
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NotATreoFan said:
The key difference between then (WM) and now (Android) is that everyone seems to be more concerned with beating everyone else to the release, thereby claiming all the glory and potential donations. Sharing is very much still alive here, but it seems otherwise due to device popularity causing competition as opposed to cooperation. Back when smartphones were reserved for the geeks and otherwise tech savvy people, the community was much smaller, and knew each other on what was sometimes a personal level. We all worked together for a common goal. Don't believe me, have a look around the older sections of XDA, and try to count on more than 1 hand how many chefs/devs ever mention the word donations. Now do the same in the Android areas, and try to find 5 chefs/devs/winzip wizards who don't ask for them.
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True, but this isn't platform dependent at all. WinMo ROM development suffered from this too.
Donations make people greedy, some guys just made their rom cooking tenure a part-time job. Nowadays Smartphones became over-popular causing this to be a great money source.
In my personal opinion xda-devs should somehow promote/encourage developers that do not accept donations, make freeware, and release their source code for free.
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True, but this isn't platform dependent at all. WinMo ROM development suffered from this too.
Donations make people greedy, some guys just made their rom cooking tenure a part-time job. Nowadays Smartphones became over-popular causing this to be a great money source.
In my personal opinion xda-devs should somehow promote/encourage developers that do not accept donations, make freeware, and release their source code for free.
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QFT!
Money is the root of most of the problems with XDA these days...
And I can't see that changing unfortunately.
So,are we getting anywhere guys?
Is there a way to encourage sharing somehow?
It just beyond my comprehension that an apple can be given for someone to give a bite to anyone who'd like it, but no one else can take that apple to give a bite. End result is the same in think.
It's not about Mike not sharing when he is told not to share (if that is true, I don't know and not judging him). It's the concept of having something to share but only allowing one person to share it which gets me confused. Why!?
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QFT!
Money is the root of most of the problems with XDA these days...
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Thank GOD somebody started discussing this! I tried to started, but the thread was closed the second I started it. I will hold my tongue, but you can read between the lines:
Baad
We miss you!
This is only to about 10%-15% of people on xda
To all the Crybabies and idiots on here. This site was a good place to find good stuff. Well that is getting harder to do now in alot of the threads because there seems to always be a couple people in just about every thread on the damn site that cant get along with anybody and always want to argue and start **** everytime something doesnt go exactly thier way. Get a life stop creating headaches in everone elses life. Devs are leaving this site left and right because of all this **** and it is getting worse everyday. If you dont like something in a thread get the hell over it and move the **** on to another thread. I mean damn there are plenty of other threads to goto its not like your ****in world will end or someone will miss your Whining ass in that thread. People need to understand that devs do this stuff for free on their own time. If you think its so easy try it yourself and then if you get it figured out post a thread and see how you handle assholes starting **** in ur thread. Just grow the **** up and get over it.
P.S.
I am easy to get along with and try to help whoever I can just ask anybody in the threads I post in so dont jump in here and say oh what an asshole. Sometimes people just need to hear/read the truth so I figured I would say what alot of people on hear probably want to say but usually dont.
Probably inappropriate. Sorry.
Its not just me dude. Most people on here are tired of all the crap that gets started on here and nobody says anything about it thats why they keep doing it.
Well said boss. The fact people can't appreciate free is ridiculous
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I have to agree. One, bucks a stand up guy. Don't believe it? He's a member of another site that I'm on, I won't mention the name because I don't want some idiot who thinks he is an internet badass to start trolling that site. I've been a member that refused to post for a very long time due to all the nonsense on here. This place helps you make your device awesome, gives it faster/better software with more features and your choice of UI design, and if you want to you can poke around and find some good info and learn to do some of this yourself. All for free. Unfortunately there is this attitude that some people here have, I swear its like you bought something you cry so much. I bet the same people that do this here are the douchesacks that whine in resteraunts trying to get free meals. We should all thank you for your useless contributions to society. You slow things down, you cost businesses money so prices go up partly because of you, and you freak out at the drop of a hat to get your way, and you're usually STUPID as a rock to boot! (to any rocks that were offended, my apologies)
Seriously, look at the name of the site. Xda developers. Meaning the people here that are posting things are developing them. Not releasing perfect software the first try. And yeah, a lot of them have donate buttons in their sigs, but how often do they really get used? And how often do they really profit off of it? Between the whining @ devs and squabbling over what is better and blasting newbs who can't find a damn thing in hundreds of trash posts I think its safe to say the minority on this site have absolutely ruined it for the others.
Oh, and before someone comments on my post count, trust me, its more than high enough on my home site. I'm not a dev but I'm no idiot either, I spent months teaching myself what i wanted to know here, and after spending countless hours wasted sifting through 'is it done yet?' It's taking so long' sense is better' nu-uh, aosp is' and sadly my knowledge of all things android tripled in one month on another site. So i went by the rules and kept my mouth shut, hit the search button till it was sore, and all I learned is that there are a group of babies on here that really need to go get a life.
To those who have tried to make this a place of learning, growing, and pushing the limits of our respective devices, thank you. Both for what you have done for android and for strangers, and for tolerating the dingdongs on this site. Good night.
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buckhunter said:
Its not just me dude. Most people on here are tired of all the crap that gets started on here and nobody says anything about it thats why they keep doing it.
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cmonsterf50 said:
Well said boss. The fact people can't appreciate free is ridiculous
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You're both exactly right
The problem is the change in user demographic since Android's inception. There was a lot more respect here before every twelve-year-old and his six-year-old brother had a smartphone.
That's not to say younger members are the root of all evil, of course Just the majority of it
To any rocks that were offended?? Lmao!! Hilarious.
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You're both exactly right
The problem is the change in user demographic since Android's inception. There was a lot more respect here before every twelve-year-old and his six-year-old brother had a smartphone.
That's not to say younger members are the root of all evil, of course Just the majority of it
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Well even if they aren't younger members, they certainly act like it lol.
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Very true.
There will always be whingers. That's what people like to do when they have nothing constructive to say.
I usually like to high five them in the face with a brick shaped object.. made out of brick
Lmao! I just shot coffee out of my nose. On a serious note, its good to see a few people here have their wits about them. Uh oh, I better watch it, I'll go over my post limit.
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Lmao! I just shot coffee out of my nose. On a serious note, its good to see a few people here have their wits about them. Uh oh, I better watch it, I'll go over my post limit.
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Post limit thats just stupid.
Clean that up lol
sorry this has to close it is a spam fest
why are some developers on xda so content on gettting donations :S yes if ur a recognized dev and you have given soooooooo much already yes i would donate. but alll these people saying donate donate donate when they havnt even got a rom yet are bassicly begging in a sense.
then there's the people that promise the best rom in the world but ask u to donate so they can the rom going i think thats wrong.
ONLY ASK FOR DONATIONS IF U HAVE A ONGOING PROJEXT ( WITH A ROM ) DONT LIMIT YOUR WORK TO JUST A FEW BETA TESTERS MAKE IT OPEN SO LOADS OF PEOPLE CAN TEST AN GIVE U FEEDBACK. IN MY MIND THESE PEOPLE USE THE DONATION SCHEME AS A LOOP HOLE TO SCAM PEOPLE OUT OF CASH
whats your views on this let me know. i will soon be moving my sony ericcson port to the madaco forum as only so many good people on xda the rest just want to ripp people off . makes me angry as xda used to be the best forum in the world. but now people use it as to scam money and thats a CRIME
in my opinion, i think ONLY recognized developers should have the donation tool as other people are abusing it and scamming cash out of good honist people
To be fair, nobody is scamming anyone. They're not forcing you to donate and if people choose to do so then i don't see anything wrong with it. I've never seen any instances where people are asking for donations when they haven't even contributed. But like i said, donations aren't forced upon you.
It's not even like you can accidentally hit donate!
Also, what about other devs such as Lowveld who aren't recognised developers?
Agree with Dan.
Plus, with all the hard work and efforts that our Devs put in, There's no harm in asking for a donation (IMHO) ! Remember, all Devs have a life outside of XDA...
And a donation need not be for monetary objectives only (of course, there's money involved).. But, I feel it is a sense of appreciation for all their hard work and a token of respect!
I know U are also a Dev... Keep up the good work!
Peace
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Tapur007 said:
Agree with Dan.
Plus, with all the hard work and efforts that our Devs put in, There's no harm in asking for a donation (IMHO) ! Remember, all Devs have a life outside of XDA...
And a donation need not be for monetary objectives only (of course, there's money involved).. But, I feel it is a sense of appreciation for all their hard work and a token of respect!
I know U are also a Dev... Keep up the good work!
Peace
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Im not a recognized dev I NEVER ask for donations as its a privalige to be on here helping people out. Im saying it like this. If it NOT a recognized dev. Then u shouldnt ask for donations
Untill u are a recognized dev. I see being on these type of forums as a pleasure not a job. I am not new to CDs as many of u might think. I've been a active member since 2 years. I left the.forum and didn't think I would end up back but here I am.I deleted my old account but I wish I never. Some1 has made some apps and promised all a Rom but says if he don't get any donations he won't do the Rom. To me it seems like he don't have any intentions to make a Rom he just wants the donations makes me very angry to see this
Paul, where are you from?English is not my native language, i don't write very well, i do a lot of typo's and probably i am not very coherent all the time, but
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Regarding your problem for donations from my point of view they are great for the developers.
I allready saw Baadnwz a great developer(ex Desire, Sensation now on the One X) uses the money for buying new phones, or nk111 uses the money to pay his server and the list can go on.
Do you still think this is a scam?
Sorry for the developers that i didn't mention. And in my opinion lowveld should be a recognized developer.
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Next time think twice about directing comments like that at fellow users please. This is not a place to say "you suck" or " your ___ sucks" or anything like that. This is XDA and a friendly community.
Glad I stumbled across this comment while roaming the forum here, as its not needed
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Im not a recognized dev I NEVER ask for donations as its a privalige to be on here helping people out. Im saying it like this. If it NOT a recognized dev. Then u shouldnt ask for donations
Untill u are a recognized dev. I see being on these type of forums as a pleasure not a job. I am not new to CDs as many of u might think. I've been a active member since 2 years. I left the.forum and didn't think I would end up back but here I am.I deleted my old account but I wish I never. Some1 has made some apps and promised all a Rom but says if he don't get any donations he won't do the Rom. To me it seems like he don't have any intentions to make a Rom he just wants the donations makes me very angry to see this
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Well, personally I think your point of view, although addressing some points I actually agree on (namely: work should never be dependent on donations), it's a bit over the top.
I don't scam people, and I am very clear on the purpose of asking for donations: buy a new device without having to sell the desire S on the process. Plus, even if you don't agree with the purpose for which I ask donations, I don't (and I think noone else) force you to donate anything.
And for this attitude, you don't need to be a Recognized Developer. You just need to be a decent human being. And fortunately we have lots of them on the DS forums.
Peace
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Paul, where are you from?English is not my native language, i don't write very well, i do a lot of typo's and probably i am not very coherent all the time, but
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Regarding your problem for donations from my point of view they are great for the developers.
I allready saw Baadnwz a great developer(ex Desire, Sensation now on the One X) uses the money for buying new phones, or nk111 uses the money to pay his server and the list can go on.
Do you still think this is a scam?
Sorry for the developers that i didn't mention. And in my opinion lowveld should be a recognized developer.
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put your glasses on
paul.robo said:
put your glasses on
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Paul, I've not been a member on here for very long, although I spent quite a while just reading and hovering. I have also been a member on various other forums of all types for years. I have avoided commenting on this, or your other, rants before, but feel the need to now.
There is absolutely no need for the above comment and it is bordering on offensive. Your posts are very difficult to read - you mix lower-case and upper-case sentences all over the place, miss out punctuation so that multiple sentences become one huge string of words and your spelling is abysmal (I'm not entirely sure if some of it is you deliberately trying to be clever or ‘down with the kids’).
Draghiciandrei started his post by asking where you were from and commenting that his English is not the best. If English is not your first language then you have an excuse for some of it, but you should therefore give him the same leeway that he gave you. If English IS your first language however then you should be putting the effort in to make your posts easier to understand for the multitude of people here who do not speak English well.
I'm not trying to start a war of words here or anything, just putting my two-pence worth into this thread.
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Paul, I've not been a member on here for very long, although I spent quite a while just reading and hovering. I have also been a member on various other forums of all types for years. I have avoided commenting on this, or your other, rants before, but feel the need to now.
There is absolutely no need for the above comment and it is bordering on offensive. Your posts are very difficult to read - you mix lower-case and upper-case sentences all over the place, miss out punctuation so that multiple sentences become one huge string of words and your spelling is abysmal (I'm not entirely sure if some of it is you deliberately trying to be clever or ‘down with the kids’).
Draghiciandrei started his post by asking where you were from and commenting that his English is not the best. If English is not your first language then you have an excuse for some of it, but you should therefore give him the same leeway that he gave you. If English IS your first language however then you should be putting the effort in to make your posts easier to understand for the multitude of people here who do not speak English well.
I'm not trying to start a war of words here or anything, just putting my two-pence worth into this thread.
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get a grip mate if i meant it in any offensive way i would have been more aggressive. :S i put a face next to it u got to be kidding me mate :S seriously u have got to be joking :/ obviously you dont know what the meaning of the word offensive is. it would have been offensive if i had said it like this *** put your ****ing glasses on *** however i did NOT say it like that. i said it like this *** put your glasses on *** in a joking way. im a computor programmer not a bully :/ if u have anything else to say feel free to PM me and we will sort this out as men should ( with kind words )
Actually 'mate' I do know the meaning of the word "offensive". Perhaps you don't and should look here The Free Dictionary
That comment is offensive because it has the capability to offend some people - you trying to claim it is not is eactly the same principle as people who claim they aren't racist despite using racist words because they "don't mean it". As for your comment about
it would have been offensive if i had said it like this *** put your ****ing glasses on ***
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that would have just been downright rude and ignorant.
And, please try to read your own post. Yet again it is very difficult to follow - no capital letters, bad spelling, no punctuation, and constantly using "", ":S" etc instead of the smilies which are a lot clearer and easier to pick out in the writing.
I'm not going to do this on PM as there is no need. I am not the only person who you seem to want to pick a fight with and I respect several of those people that you have argued with enough to understand that I am not the one with the problem.
After speaking to Paul I would ask, respectfully, that nobody else jump onto my comments towards him. I will leave them here as they have been said, but there is no need for this to go any further at all.
I know that sometimes it's best to say nothing, but it's so difficult not to respond to somethings
Although I feel the childish yet perfect response would be WHATEVER!
Step away from your mobile....
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According to conantroutman, senior mod, I am the same "level" as a recognized developer.
According to XDA Rule # 8, users are allowed to ask to donations in their signatures, "However donations up front are not allowed, this forum is about sharing, not about getting paid to do something, that's what your job is for."
Perhaps a better way to have handled this would have been to have clicked on the posters name, and then to have chosen "Add xxxx to Your Ignore List".
Okay I'm here no fear guys.
Now in response to all that has happened here I first want to say thank you to the two individuals that took the spat to PM and stopped it in the public forum. Again PM is where you should take ANY and EVERY disagreement you might have with someone.
Do NOT let me see you starting a pissing contest in the public forum directly attacking users using foul curse words! This is not the place for that and never will be on my watch!
Now as for the topic/thread....I'm okay with it long as you guys continue to keep it civil in here going forward. This topic while can get out of hand easily, is one that is okay to discuss imho.
My personal opinion on the subject though.....
It is more than okay for people to have donation links in their sig's that are not dev's. You dont have to be a Dev to warrant a donation. Many of the themer's and other people that contribute to the community are NOT developers but they provide value to the overall community and if someone wants to donate to them so be it...They might not get much use out of the button, but it is their right to have one if they want...
Now asking or demanding for donations up front will not be tolerated here in any way. There can be a fine line on this with RD's and others using the donation system for their beta's and such before a wide release but thats NOT what I'm talking about here at all. I'm talking about the flat out demanding of a donation before providing a service or doing anything else...If you see that then report the post and I or someone else will handle it.
Any further ?'s see the rules in my signature or PM me.
Again, keep this civil or it will be closed...
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Okay I'm here no fear guys.
Now asking or demanding for donations up front will not be tolerated here in any way. There can be a fine line on this with RD's and others using the donation system for their beta's and such before a wide release but thats NOT what I'm talking about here at all. I'm talking about the flat out demanding of a donation before providing a service or doing anything else...If you see that then report the post and I or someone else will handle it.
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exactly what i meant. I never meant for this to get so out of hand. I should have put more detail and more of a explanation about it. I have posted a thread, Aimed at the people i offended. I am sorry this got so out of control, I will be leaving XDA untill i have my operation and i have Fully recoverd. (Which will be about 6months). When i do recover i will be starting to port roms and apps like i used to ( Thats right i have not just joined xda i used to be here before, I was on the good old sony x8 forum I used to port app's i even made flash player work for sony x8 arm 6 devices i even ported sense to x8, so i am a contributor to xda members, I closed my account back then but i recently joined back up. I would like to say a very nice thanks to Simon.TS.HTC For being so understanding and being just a hell of a nice guy.
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Okay I'm here no fear guys.
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Slightly off-topic, I'm really happy with you, Mr Sgt Slaughter
You are a great civilized mod, and I'm glad you are keeping things in order here, and regularly checking by. I'm happy that you are the new DS mod!
Thanks alot man!
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+1 to that. Maybe the perfect embodiment of the "iron fist in a velvet glove"?
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Slightly off-topic, I'm really happy with you, Mr Sgt Slaughter
You are a great civilized mod, and I'm glad you are keeping things in order here, and regularly checking by. I'm happy that you are the new DS mod!
Thanks alot man!
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To be honest you guys deserve just as much credit b/c i can't venture in here hardly at all to check so i depend on the reported posts...keep up the reporting and things will get handled swiftly i promise.
The thread has been locked on OP's request.
Peace!