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Google announced that they're making unlocked developer phones available. No sim lock, unlocked bootloader and all that.
http://code.google.com/android/dev-devices.html
$399 + $25 dev registration fee, with free shipping.
Oh, and check out the back cover
http://android.brightstarcorp.com/images/placeholders/dev3.jpg
Awesome! I am assuming Google will be doing separate OTA updates for the dev phones. That will be nice to have as well for existing rooted phones.
About time!
You can use any SIM in the device and can flash custom Android builds that will work with the unlocked bootloader. Unlike the bootloader on retail devices, the bootloader on the Android Dev Phone 1 does not enforce signed system images.
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Are they referring to the htc bootloader?
Is it possible to extract the data from these phones and use them on non-dev phones? Or am I asking a stupid question?
Yes. Per swetland on freenode/#android, it has the htc engineering bootloader.
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Is it possible to extract the data from these phones and use them on non-dev phones? Or am I asking a stupid question?
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Possibly.. we'll have to wait and see
I’d be really interested in where they’ll ship the handsets from…
The price is good, but if they ship it from the US, I’d have to pay VAT (19%), import taxes and shipping which would result in the package being 100$+ more expensive :-/
If they'd be able to ship them from inside the EU on the other hand, I'd immediately order one
Can I order one. I'm from Vietnam.
Who have G1 dev version please write a review, I want to know about battery life
at last what i was Emailing on Daily Basis.
Infact i was insisting them to release Developer Edition of Firmware
But they have come with Device
this is sweet...im gonna try to sell my current g1 and buy the dev one.
I buy the cover from a struggling dev
I'd give 25$ +shipping for that back cover with that funky bullsh1t on the back, looks 'leet
and donate sumthin to a dev, id also offer mine to replace...
its kinda just a joke but if anybody wants to take me up on it when they get one of these badboys, with the recent nand dump, we can now just dump the bootloader on the make nicenice with the devs phone and repalce our stock boot with it and whammo, RUN ANYTHING? and flash it to the handset, debian, ubuntu mobile, WM, even custom android could I say "distrubutions?
wholly open source tmobile , BatMan... If Im wrong please let me know but this seems like goog or andy or whomever is sympathetic to the plight of the enslaved tmobile G1s
bhang
This is in google's best interest. They want android to be a success, and in order to do that, atleast the most effective way to do that, is to give devolpers the most open of a door as possible to the system.
The big stick-in-the-mud as far as root goes has always been t-mobile. telcoms don't want people to have full control of their device.
The only thing surprising about this to me is that they didn't introduce the g1 with this edition as well.
=]
Well I can safely say, t-mobile employees aren't trained well enough, and they basically said that there is no way to updrade or downgrade firmware's, and rc 30 was "perfect", litterally.
well....not all t-mobile employees...
im a t-mobile employee, and from my experiences since september 23, have been that most of the people around me know their way around the device from a retail consumer standpoint. you cant assume that general customer care or even tier 1 tech support knows as much as the people that read/post here.
just looking out for my collegues....
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Well I can safely say, t-mobile employees aren't trained well enough, and they basically said that there is no way to updrade or downgrade firmware's, and rc 30 was "perfect", litterally.
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well, I don't fully agree. There are a number of employees that should be deemed legally retarded, but just because they are a t-mobile employee doesnt mean they should know how to work the phone. From a t-mobile standpoint, the rc-30 is the perfect (for now) as its a non-root that has no known security holes, htc I doubt would care one way or the other, and google would probably prefer completely open hardware (see the dev phones).
What would you want to know from a t-mobile employee about this phone that they can't answer?
You have to remeber, they don't design the phone, they don't hack the phone, they just sell airtime. So they have no reason to know alot of things that we find out, since they don't attempt to.
That is true I work in cs for VZW, I should probably have rephrased that the tier 2 tech ppl, especially the g1 support line have no clue how to work the g1. And the PDA/Smartphone tier 2 ppl say it's "perfect", and also have no clue how to work it, either. I called litterally everyone I could find a contact for to find a way to downgrade from RC30. HTC got mad and gave the # for cs at t-mobile. Google sent me to google.com/support. G1 suport sent me to HTC and PDA/Smartphone support, or told me they had no clue.
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That is true I work in cs for VZW, I should probably have rephrased that the tier 2 tech ppl, especially the g1 support line have no clue how to work the g1. And the PDA/Smartphone tier 2 ppl say it's "perfect", and also have no clue how to work it, either. I called litterally everyone I could find a contact for to find a way to downgrade from RC30. HTC got mad and gave the # for cs at t-mobile. Google sent me to google.com/support. G1 suport sent me to HTC and PDA/Smartphone support, or told me they had no clue.
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So you have one small problem... Tell me something since you say you work cs at VZW... do you think anyone at your company would tell you how even if you could? Do you really think they would handle any support about how to upgrade or downgrade software on any of their smartphones? Last I checked VZW was the worst when it comes to smart phones by locking out GPS and other functions unless you pay, and only allowing their phones on the network.
So far when I have called up I have got nothing but good results. Even if the problem couldn't be completely fixed over the phone they have always compensated me (I got about 40 dollars off my next bill)
And yea their CS department can't do much on the tech side... but I have gotten to Tier 3 numerous times on other devices and always been satisfied.
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So you have one small problem... Tell me something since you say you work cs at VZW... do you think anyone at your company would tell you how even if you could? Do you really think they would handle any support about how to upgrade or downgrade software on any of their smartphones? Last I checked VZW was the worst when it comes to smart phones by locking out GPS and other functions unless you pay, and only allowing their phones on the network.
So far when I have called up I have got nothing but good results. Even if the problem couldn't be completely fixed over the phone they have always compensated me (I got about 40 dollars off my next bill)
And yea their CS department can't do much on the tech side... but I have gotten to Tier 3 numerous times on other devices and always been satisfied.
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I don't care, I tell ppl what they need to hear not what they want to hear, yes I tell them things that aren't official. And I tell them google is their friend. Since I'm flex pay, they dn't care about keeping me there, I've been on my own acct since the G1 came out, that's the whole reason I switched from the Iphone. That thing about the GPS is only true on regular phones, the PDA/Smartphones/Blackberry's are a whole diff story. I'm also quitting that job soon, due to me being tired of screwing ppl oer the phone.
Woo! I've ordered my dev phone. Now I need to get rid of my G1. Luckily I can still take it back to t-mob for a refund (tomorrow is the last day though). I thought I would offer it to you guys first though. It's unlocked and has modified RC30 of course. I'll let it go for $400, including free shipping. If no-one says they want it by tomorrow at noon, it's going back to t-mobile. I'll even sign it if you want
Update: taken back to the t-mobile store. got a full refund, no restocking fee or anything. So I'll only be out about $20-25 for the dev phone.. got $430 back for the G1 and $455 for the dev phone ($400 + $25 market fee + $30 tax)
does anybody know if the credit card address can be different from the shipping address?
I'd love to be able to use the reasonable "free" shipping to the US and have a friend bring it over on his next visit to germany
Done a quick search but can't see anything on this here on the forum so here goes:
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/hd2/specification.html
Will one of the XDA moderators consider opening a dedicated forum for this device, now known as the HTC HD2 please?
I am toying between going straight out and buying one tomorrow morning, providing the stockists advertising them actually have the item in stock, or waiting until Christmas. Anyone else considering purchasing and of so how do we get the developers interested in doing stuff for this device?
Cheers
WB
LOL,
It was only ANNOUNCED today mate, that means you can forget about going out tomorrow and actually buy one ;-)
That said, I am going to buy one as soon as I can, hopefully somewhere around the end of october if we get lucky.
Me thinks that HTC got a best seller here, and am not worried that the XDA developers won't pick up this device anytime soon.
Until then, I keep drooling over the pics & specs
Clubbraxx,
I had a conversation with a supplier the other day and was left with the impression that some devices were already out there, waiting for today's announcement as the go-ahead for being able to release direct to the public as of now.
Needless to say I will be on the phone in the morning chasing up the said supplier and seeing what they have to say for themselves.
Just seen someone moaning about the price of the device at circa £550. Given the high-end spec of the device and taking a 3 or 4 year ownership span into account, I would say that this appears to be a reasonable price for a sim free device.
No doubt the networks will be doing their best to tie in the unwary into 3 year/multi dollar contracts to make a killing on these.
Let me know if you hear any news.
Cheers
WB
The device should be available before the end of this month. I'm looking forward to it
Btw, the device is listed on expansys for $829,99 (or €649,99).
I was told by a customer service rep at O2(UK) at the weekend, that they have the device listed for mid October release.
As an O2 customer who has a contract ending on November 1st, I am considering getting one ASAP. I am unsure however, whether to get HD2, or TP2.
QWERTY & TV out, or Monster capacitive screen. Hmmmmm.... decisions, decisions.
Any help appreciated. lol.
Please merge, so many loe threads now!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=560143&page=77
op...what have you been smoking?
Availability Update
Following my chasing up of contacts today it looks like network providers such as o2 will have their stock to be released from mid October, ie next week. Sim free providers will not be getting their stock for release until a month later, ie mid November.
The above applies to the UK only; I have no idea what the position is elsewhere.
My order is just about to go in....
WB
Made my order today
Hi all!
What do you think of this model?
I fills my needs by 200%, but i heard that some software made for older 6 and 6.1 wont work on this new 6.5? Is that right? And i've also heard that Win mobile 7 is done. if so why did they not use win 7 on this new model?
Thanks in advance
****... I bought new Touch HD one week ago... Now I see HD2 and I'm not very happy...
stabloid said:
I was told by a customer service rep at O2(UK) at the weekend, that they have the device listed for mid October release.
As an O2 customer who has a contract ending on November 1st, I am considering getting one ASAP. I am unsure however, whether to get HD2, or TP2.
QWERTY & TV out, or Monster capacitive screen. Hmmmmm.... decisions, decisions.
Any help appreciated. lol.
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Depends on how much you would really use the TV out feature. They keyboard...thats different, for me if the on screen keyboard is at least as good as the iPhones I can dump the physical one and be happy.
Hello all
Review Video HTC HD2 – Windows Mobile 6.5 at its best
you wont find this on Youtube
Hey guys,
About a month ago (Jan 20 I seem to recall) T-Mobile had an offer where you could get a free upgrade to a G2, only on their website.
My family had three G1s on our plan that were past due for an upgrade, since December, so we jumped at this offer.
We couldn't get the site to work, however, so we called in and a representative assured us that we would be able to get the three phones for free. We would have to call back the next day to do so, though.
After calling back the next day, we received another representative who told us that the offer was an error and shouldn't have been put online. Our response was simple- That's your problem, we agreed with the other representative in good faith and we should not have to pay for an error on your end.
After waiting about a week for that other representative to look at the call logs (which he never found, by the way), he called back and told us that since we've been waiting for so long and he never found the logs, we could have all three phones for free. We already knew there was an upgrade fee of $18 that we would have to pay, that's fine.
Now, a month later, on our bill we have three charges of "One Time charge for Handset Upgrade Revenue" that amount to $199.00 each. That makes our total bill for this month a whopping $1000.
This is far from "free" that we were promised. I am hoping it's a mistake on their end, but if I call them up and they start throwing in all of these excuses and explanations for why a "free" phone isn't free, is there some sort of agency for Customer Fair Treatment or something that we can report them to, or is there legal action that we can take?
Please, if you have any other advice or tips, it is greatly welcomed.
Hope to hear a response.
-Proxin
Sorry to hear about this. I've had a few issues with tmobile in the past 5 years i've been a customer, they've always been pretty good about resolving things to my satisfaction. I'd suggest a few things:
-If you have a twitter account, tweet something about your problem to @tmobile. It might not sound like much, but tmobile has some very active people working on twitter. When i had an issue around a year ago with my minutes and texts vanishing without being used, a tweet was really all it took to get the ball rolling. I got a direct message back within an hour, and recived a call the next day to let me know the glitch was fixed and offered me compensation.
-The Consumeris (consumerist.com) is a consumer advocacy blog. I've seen lots of stories on there similar to what you're dealing with (many from other providers too). From the stories i've read companies such as tmobile pay close enough attention to the site, and are quick to resolve any kind of issues that could result in bad press.
-If all else fails, last i checked tmobile offers a buyers remorse period of 30 days (might be less), if you arent happy with your phone for any reason, you can return it within that time.
I'd reccomend calling them and telling them if the issue can not be fixed you would like to return the phones. Another thing to maybe metion, if you where up for new phones, then your contract must have also been renewed, perhaps this could be considered a breach of contract on their part and you could mention that in a way that suggests you're thinking of ditching your contract over this (just say something like "verizon has the same deal in store").
Hope some of that helps. Good luck!
Honestly, if they can't fix the issue, tell them you want to be transfered to the loyalty department because you want to cancel. Those guys can fix anything. If you still aren't happy, file a claim with the better business bureau.
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Agreed, call customer service and get with the "omgtheyregoingtocancelwtf" department and they will likely fix it. That or give the phones back. If they made a mistake they made a mistake, it doesn't entitle you to anything... if they are willing to fix it and let you keep them, then awesome.
More importantly though...
_____$1000 phone bill
_____-$199 G2
_____-$199 G2
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$403 phone bill?!? what the hell?
File complaints with both the BBB and FCC. I had an issue with Sprint not honoring a discount coupon I used when I signed up and kept getting the runaround, but a BBB and FCC complaint led to someone higher up to contact me and get the matter resolved. Based on some google searching, it does appear T-Mobile responds to FCC complaints.
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Sorry to hear about this. I've had a few issues with tmobile in the past 5 years i've been a customer, they've always been pretty good about resolving things to my satisfaction. I'd suggest a few things:
-If you have a twitter account, tweet something about your problem to @tmobile. It might not sound like much, but tmobile has some very active people working on twitter. When i had an issue around a year ago with my minutes and texts vanishing without being used, a tweet was really all it took to get the ball rolling. I got a direct message back within an hour, and recived a call the next day to let me know the glitch was fixed and offered me compensation.
-The Consumeris (consumerist.com) is a consumer advocacy blog. I've seen lots of stories on there similar to what you're dealing with (many from other providers too). From the stories i've read companies such as tmobile pay close enough attention to the site, and are quick to resolve any kind of issues that could result in bad press.
-If all else fails, last i checked tmobile offers a buyers remorse period of 30 days (might be less), if you arent happy with your phone for any reason, you can return it within that time.
I'd reccomend calling them and telling them if the issue can not be fixed you would like to return the phones. Another thing to maybe metion, if you where up for new phones, then your contract must have also been renewed, perhaps this could be considered a breach of contract on their part and you could mention that in a way that suggests you're thinking of ditching your contract over this (just say something like "verizon has the same deal in store").
Hope some of that helps. Good luck!
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Interesting... I don't think the buyers' remorse thing would work, cause we have had the phones for over 30 days... and offering to give them back would be bad on our end because honestly, we love these new phones!
But yeah, the breach of contract you mentioned is a good point. We renewed our contracts so that we could get these phones, and if they take the phones back yet keep us locked in contract, I'm certain that the groups mentioned by the other posts (BBB and FCC) could help us out.
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Honestly, if they can't fix the issue, tell them you want to be transfered to the loyalty department because you want to cancel. Those guys can fix anything. If you still aren't happy, file a claim with the better business bureau.
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Awesome. It makes me happy that there are companies who are willing to stick up for customers.
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Agreed, call customer service and get with the "omgtheyregoingtocancelwtf" department and they will likely fix it. That or give the phones back. If they made a mistake they made a mistake, it doesn't entitle you to anything... if they are willing to fix it and let you keep them, then awesome.
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_____$1000 phone bill
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_____-$199 G2
_____-$199 G2
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$403 phone bill?!? what the hell?
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That Does make it look like less, haha. To clarify-
$199 x 3 = 600.00
+ 120.00 tax
+ 250.00 phone bill
+ 18.00 upgrade fee x 3
plus various charges
= $1000
Isira said:
File complaints with both the BBB and FCC. I had an issue with Sprint not honoring a discount coupon I used when I signed up and kept getting the runaround, but a BBB and FCC complaint led to someone higher up to contact me and get the matter resolved. Based on some google searching, it does appear T-Mobile responds to FCC complaints.
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Thank you very much. I hope either or both of these can help if the situation turns into something nasty.
I have to harass them to make sure they apply discounts or whatever, and they tried to wiggle out of my student discount when I activated my line...
Ah well. They're almost half the price of Verizon and my service is pretty good here.
We just called T-Mobile and a representative confirmed it was a mistake and dropped the charges.
We still have to wait until the next billing cycle to see for sure, but I think this has been resolved.
Thank you all for your advice and replies.
Best,
Proxin
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yeah ://....happened to me a couple of times there..
How I got to keep my HOXL and got AT&T to send me a Galaxy SIII I747 free of charge
When my upgrade eligibility with AT&T came up last spring I decided that I needed to familiarize myself with the Android operating system. Having been a long time iPhone user (iPhone, iPhone 3G and iPhone 4) with a mostly positive experience, I had always been frustrated by Apple's lack of Flash support and (at the time) their refusal to adjust their screen size. Little did I know that both Adobe and Apple were just "sitting in the corner" laughing at me when I came to this rationalization. Naturally, I overcompensated and went with the Galaxy Note, which, IMHO was probably not the best fit for an Android noob like myself. I did a little more research, and just on the outskirts of my 30 day return window, the HTC ONE XL was gonna debut. Bought it on launch day May 6th (before the embargo ruined the party). Like everyone else I had concerns over the lack of storage expansion from 16 Gigs - my previous iPhone 4 was 32 Gigs - but felt confident enough to pull the trigger since the 25 Gigs of free Dropbox space was on the table and according to AT&T was in play. Having been Grandfathered into AT&T's unlimited data plan and being a moderate user (I average 6-8 Gigs a month and have only been throttled twice) I felt as though I could transition to Cloud storage with ease.
I wanted to wait as long as possible before establishing my Dropbox account so I could get the maximum out of the 2 years. It wasn't until late September that I learned of AT&T purposely opting out of participating in the deal. I still can't fathom the rational for this, since its always been my understanding that not only AT&T, but all the Carriers had absolutely nothing to do with this promotion because the deal was between HTC and Dropbox. You would think the Carriers would welcome this since it would increase data usage, thus gaining them additional revenue. I'm sure that people, much smarter than myself, who contribute to the XDA forums, have the answer to this burning question since i'm clearly clueless.
Anyway, no worries, I'll just simply "Root", "Rom" and Voilà....Uh-Oh... As usual I'm a day late and a dollar short and I miss my window with the initial Root exploit that HTC closed ---- ( BTW this is in NO WAY meant as a backdoor insult or complaint to the Developers and their tirelessly Godlike work that they perpetually churn out on a daily basis, nor is it to the rest of the "awesomesauce" that describes the entire XDA Community!!!!) Now, I know in the back of my mind, there is an obvious workaround -- which I'm sure has been explained in this forum before - attach service to your previous phone for a day or so --- snag a WiFi connection and establish your Dropbox account and Boom instant 25 Gigs --then simply reattach service to your HOXL --- but ya know what....now I'm Pissed....time to call AT&T....
I started by calling sales not customer service too vent my complaint
1st Barrier ---- I get the initial non-decision making Dingbat ... As quickly as possible, I dispensed of this person and got a supervisor - I explained my issue and advised that AT&T did a "bait and switch" on me and strongly emphasized how ILLEGAL this practice is .....
2nd Barrier --- supervisor said he had no idea what I was talking about and that he had never heard of this "Dropbox freebie thing" (keep in mind I'm speaking with the sales department) --- this was easily refuted as I told the gentleman to try opening the box -- you know --the one with the AT&T logo on it that the HOXL comes in -- and to look at the paperwork inside --- it advertises the promotion!!!! Clearly his plausible deniability is out the window....
3rd Barrier --- "Can't help you because it's not our promotion..." No kidding -- that's the point..... I went on to explain how I was well aware that it wasn't their promotion and how it makes it worse because they purposely had to "opt out" --- emailed him the link to the Dropbox page explaining the promotion and How AT&T and VERIZON opted out (keep in mind the promotion is for any new HTC device running Sense 4.0 not just the HOXL) He continually stated that it wasn't their promotion for which I replied that I knew that and that it didn't matter whose promotion it was. I advised him, that I signed a contract with AT&T based on that information and that the Dropbox offer was used by AT&T as a selling tool to that end and that's why this is a bait and switch situation and that the practice is ILLEGAL
4th Barrier --- "How do we know that you were told about this offer and that our employees used this strategy...." I emailed him a link from androidcentral (Being that this is my very first post on the XDA forums protocol prevents me from posting the link that I sent ... but I can tell you that androidcentral was the original source for the "article" titled "AT&T HTC One X will have free Dropbox space, company spokeswoman affirms" and was dated Apr 24 2012) --- granted this is simply an unofficial "blog site" that can basically say anything they want but I advised him that this story was picked up by all the other major 'tech sites" and it has never been refuted by AT&T. In addition the "AT&T Spokeswomen" is Jackie Vettorino. Her official title is - Digital PR/Social Media Strategist for AT&T - She is basically their Top Dog when it comes to dealing with the press - She is widely known to many media outlets because of her role as the Point-man..er..Point-woman on "Throttlegate" last fall. I explained to him that because of her fairly high profile, it would be extremely remote that the story was fabricated or that she had somehow been grossly misquoted because of the likeliness of serious repercussions... but I did offer to three-way her office --- He declined. I also, again referred him to the materials that came in the box with my phone -- yes the Box -- the one produced and manufactured for AT&T with their logo splashed all over it.
5th Barrier --- "Did you purchase your phone and contract from a Corporate store or online through the official AT&T website ...." I told him that i didn't and that I used an "Authorized Retailer" (My friend works there and I wanted her to get the commission. To be honest, at the time I didn't know it wasn't a corporate store -- they only sell AT&T product and the only name mentioned inside or outside the building was the official AT&T logo all decked out in that crappy blue and orange - no offense to all you Miami Dolphin fans. It had been years since I had been in an AT&T store - all my recent dealings had been at an Apple store) He began to tell me that I would have to "take up this issue" with the store and that it was "out of his hands". I promptly asked him who my contract was with - He stated AT&T. I immediately repeated the question - he again correctly answered AT&T - I asked the question 3 additional times in succession and he scored a perfect 5 for 5. Finally, I asked him if he knew what the word "authorized" meant, as in "Authorized Retailer" and during my reading of this definition (straight from .merriam-webster.com) he interrupted me by resignedly asking me "what I wanted...."
Aah!!! ... Success. I went into this endeavor with the hopeful expectation that AT&T would credit my account the price of what I would have to pay for cloud storage for 2 years - It's soft money and almost always AT&T's go to when they screw up. Well after almost 90 minutes on the call, I quickly rethought my position and like any successful Rep will tell you "Ultimately, you always have to ask for it". I told the supervisor that there were 2 options:
1) AT&T could release me from my contract without penalty and refund my full purchase price for the phone...not something AT&T wants (nor did I ... again I stay because of my unlimited data plan) or....
2) Replace my HOXL with an equivalent phone that has expanded storage options at zero cost to me - of course we both knew that the only possible replacement was the Galaxy SIII
Without hesitating he asked me what color I wanted and to what address I wanted it shipped -- The phone arrived at my doorstep, Oct 2, precisely 27.5 hours from the time I ended the call. After 2 weeks and another lengthy call - this time to Customer Service - I was able to successfully argue that my contract start date should be reinstated to the original May 6th date and not the Oct 2nd citing that the SIII was not an upgrade but a replacement phone.
I created this Post not to boast or pat myself on the back, but rather as a template for other HOXL owners who may be feeling slighted by AT&T's consistently awful business practices. Hey, It doesn't have to be an SIII --- it may be a great way to offset HTC's poor decision of putting out a part deux a mere 6 months into release of their "flagship" X series. Why is it always the early adopters and loyal supporters who seem to get hosed ... but I gotta say the HOXL+ is looking mighty Dope. Although, I do question the decision of not going with a RAM increase, (can anyone confirm this?) While its not a huge hindrance, I do get a "load screen" every now and then. It just seems as though 1 Gig is really riding the line, at least with ICS 4.0.4.
That's awesome bro lol. I wish I could pull some shiz like that.
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haha thats great, I'm glad you made out good
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t may be a great way to offset HTC's poor decision of putting out a part deux a mere 6 months into release of their "flagship" X series.
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Yeah, exactly. Let's start demanding free phones because HTC is keeping up with technology.
If this forum had a "First world problems" section, this thread would've been a sticky.
Some people need to take a long, hard look at themselves.
Great first post. Sometimes I want to tell AT&T these things. I just seem to always get a very helpful customer service rep who always make me feel warm and cared for inside. =)
After this month I'm getting pretty pissed about being throttled to 500kbps after 5GB.
whys everyone mad.... of course they gave him an s3....it's a downgrade and very likely a refurb.
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EliWay said:
Yeah, exactly. Let's start demanding free phones because HTC is keeping up with technology.
If this forum had a "First world problems" section, this thread would've been a sticky.
Some people need to take a long, hard look at themselves.
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ATT= Cash Cow
Defrauding the public = illegal
Free phone to satisfy a customer who was LIED to and keep taking their money = MORE PROFIT
No sympathy for them. First or third world. Corporations and governments take advantage of all of us in order to make another buck.
Fight the man and stand up for yourself no matter where you live. Isn't that why XDA came into existence in the first place?
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I would of asked to not be throttled anymore =)
Great first post! Great story! I really felt like when u are watching a tv series that ur addicted to and cant stop watching! Really entertaining!! And congrats on demanding ur rights, thats the way to go!
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c5satellite2 said:
ATT= Cash Cow
Defrauding the public = illegal
Free phone to satisfy a customer who was LIED to and keep taking their money = MORE PROFIT
No sympathy for them. First or third world. Corporations and governments take advantage of all of us in order to make another buck.
Fight the man and stand up for yourself no matter where you live. Isn't that why XDA came into existence in the first place?
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You know what else for-profit companies do? They pass their expenses down to their customers. They aren't going to eat the expense of giving out free phones like this. You're not "fighting the man". Its nice to think idealistically like that, but it really doesn't work that way. The cost gets handed down to us in the form of higher device costs, higher service costs, etc.
Their was likely no "defrauding of the public". Bonus offers like the one for Dropbox almost always come with a disclaimer that the terms of the offer can be changed at anytime, and without notice (including rescinding the offer itself). And AT&T opted out of the offer a long time before September. Just because a piece of paper has been sitting in the box since May, doesn't mean the offer is still valid.
If AT&T wanted to keep a customer happy, I can see letting him switch to another phone, if the One X is so "unacceptable" due to low storage. But it would have made the most business sense to demand the One X be returned. Otherwise its just motivation for people to game the system and get free phones.
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Fight the man and stand up for yourself no matter where you live. Isn't that why XDA came into existence in the first place?
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No. XDA developers came into existence because we believe that if we bought a device, it's ours to reverse engineer or do whatever we want with it.
What you are doing is trying to game the system to get free stuff. It's SHAMEFUL.
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You know what else for-profit companies do? They pass their expenses down to their customers. They aren't going to eat the expense of giving out free phones like this. You're not "fighting the man". Its nice to think idealistically like that, but it really doesn't work that way. The cost gets handed down to us in the form of higher device costs, higher service costs, etc.
Their was likely no "defrauding of the public". Bonus offers like the one for Dropbox almost always come with a disclaimer that the terms of the offer can be changed at anytime, and without notice (including rescinding the offer itself). And AT&T opted out of the offer a long time before September. Just because a piece of paper has been sitting in the box since May, doesn't mean the offer is still valid.
If AT&T wanted to keep a customer happy, I can see letting him switch to another phone, if the One X is so "unacceptable" due to low storage. But it would have made the most business sense to demand the One X be returned. Otherwise its just motivation for people to game the system and get free phones.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
IMHO and no disrespect to the OP, after spending so much time talking to their customer service, I would have been very upset if ATT tries to compensate me with an S3, I would have preferred an HTC One X+, too bad is not available yet.
OP, I need to give you props for your effort. In your particular case, I think you did the absolute right thing in complaining to AT&T about the whole issue. You getting the S3 for free is just a bonus in my eyes. IMO, this isn't defrauding a company; it's a situation where the customer was promised something and wasn't delivered by the company and the company made things right.
Congrats on the phone. Although i prefer the one x, gs3 is easier to work with for roms.
I'm surprised AT&T finally gave in. I guess they realized you were persistent and it wasn't worth it.
P.S. 6-8GB isn't moderate use by any means. You're lucky to be on unlimited data.
Great job dotsquad. Maybe others will get the same results.
As for the two that think this is shameful and wrong, ATT doesn't care about you. They only want your money regardless if their products or service work as advertised. And losing dotsquad as a customer costs them more than giving him a new phone and keeping him. Higher costs would be passed on if he went to another carrier.
Give customer a new phone, less than $250
Lose the customer, lose $1000+ per year. They don't really give you anything other than the next monthly bill.
And remember Randall Stevenson CEO of ATT lost the company 4+billion dollars with the failed T Mo merger, and then received a 22million bonus. 4 billion in costs passed on to customers.
If you really want to complain about something, that might be a better start.
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Great job dotsquad. Maybe others will get the same results.
As for the two that think this is shameful and wrong, ATT doesn't care about you. They only want your money regardless if their products or service work as advertised. And losing dotsquad as a customer costs them more than giving him a new phone and keeping him. Higher costs would be passed on if he went to another carrier.
Give customer a new phone, less than $250
Lose the customer, lose $1000+ per year. They don't really give you anything other than the next monthly bill.
And remember Randall Stevenson CEO of ATT lost the company 4+billion dollars with the failed T Mo merger, and then received a 22million bonus. 4 billion in costs passed on to customers.
If you really want to complain about something, that might be a better start.
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Well played sir. I agree 100%
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Awesome!
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You know I may try something similar to this. Although not talking about DropBox I genuinely thought that the HTC One X had 32GB of space (and it does). I didn't know the At&t version, or as I know now the HTC One Xl only had 16GB. And the thing is I remember asking the sales associate at Wal-Mart (which is also authorized reseller as you may know) "How much space does it have" and she said "32GBs". I was like yesss, because I have a bunch of music, take a lot of video and photos and of course fill up on apps. Now I have to constantly clear things up. And I didn't notice it only had 16GBs until my return period was up (I was too amazed at android and didn't really download many apps until later on, I switched from iOS ).
So what do you think my odds are at getting a device with 32GB?
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And yes I tried to make it work but I just can't. I haven't complained about the space issue but here recently it's beging to be a real problem.
All I need to say is 'good work'
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You know I may try something similar to this. Although not talking about DropBox I genuinely thought that the HTC One X had 32GB of space (and it does). I didn't know the At&t version, or as I know now the HTC One Xl only had 16GB. And the thing is I remember asking the sales associate at Wal-Mart (which is also authorized reseller as you may know) "How much space does it have" and she said "32GBs".
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Improper research before buying a device. And I wouldn't trust a Walmart employee to give me any correct information on phones, or an AT&T rep, for that matter. That part was clearly the Walmart employee's bad. But in the future, just do your own research. How hard would it have been to just read the box, before purchasing?
This is the exact reason that this thread is a poor precedence. Now people are trying to get free phones, for their own mistakes.
I'm just feeling disappointed as HTC does not treat customers with respect and it's not offering what every other phone makers would offer - a type c to 3.5mm converter and an accurate release date, which are both costless but important to customers.
I've been a fan of HTC since I got my HD2 many years ago, but this year I'm kind of disappointed with their attitude to its fans.
I am in Canada and is like the US , I still waiting mine.
Actually, I didn't want to react to it at all. But from what you've said, I have to write it ironically. You already had $100 discount codes, we Europeans didn't even have anything like an HTC Club. You already received promotional gifts when we didn't even know there was such a thing from HTC. You didn't open your mouths back then and said all fans should get the same options/discounts, so don't complain now that things are going the other way around. Honestly: everything balances out in life, and now we have just drawn the lucky one.
In general I say here in all frankness, just leave this America first attitude at home, and think sensibly for once. It is fair that we finally enjoy the benefits that you have enjoyed for years. This year it's just Europe first. Maybe there will come a time when it will again be the other way around.
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Seriously this is pretty melodramatic because you had to wait a few extra days to get a phone.. HTC never made any promises about the release date to any country. Some regions of Europe got it early, lucky them. HTC doesn't owe you ****.
Knowing HTC phones and US carriers I can almost guarantee that HTC is taking every second it can before shipping to the US to ensure full compatibility with Verizon, T-Mo, and AT&T. There have been issues with the past couple of HTC phones so it makes sense they are trying to get it right.
I am eagerly awaiting my day one pre-order too, but it will get here when it gets here. HTC isn't treating you unfairly or discriminating against you.
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Actually, I didn't want to react to it at all. But from what you've said, I have to write it ironically. You already had $100 discount codes, we Europeans didn't even have anything like an HTC Club. You already received promotional gifts when we didn't even know there was such a thing from HTC. You didn't open your mouths back then and said all fans should get the same options/discounts, so don't complain now that things are going the other way around. Honestly: everything balances out in life, and now we have just drawn the lucky one.
In general I say here in all frankness, just leave this America first attitude at home, and think sensibly for once. It is fair that we finally enjoy the benefits that you have enjoyed for years. This year it's just Europe first. Maybe there will come a time when it will again be the other way around.
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Hi, I think you mistook what I said. The $100s coupons and gifts are what European customers get, not American or other regions' users. There's no HTC Club in the U.S but Europe.
I didn't mean US should get everything first. Actually I'm not American. I live and work in the US at the moment though. And I don't think I have the US first attitude.
The reason why I thought the phone would be released in the U.S first is that HTC held MeetU events in the U.S. first. I went to the one in SF and had an opportunity of getting hands on the phone, and at that time when I placed my order it said June 7th would be the release date.
I'm just feeling disappointed as HTC does not treat customers with respect and it's not offering what every other phone makers would offer - the converter and an accurate release date.
Amazon.com has had a solid release date this whole time. Originally, it was June 7 when HTC said the U12+ would ship in June. Now, Amazon says June 21 when HTC now says will ship in July. As for your other questions, HTC barely has a presence in the US anymore. When Samsung took over the market share, HTC stopped being carried in US stores (besides Sprint for the U11... and 10? I forget). I personally just don't think the US is a major priority for HTC anymore. Without being in stores, it's really difficult to move units... And maybe they stopped trying to get into US stores because it was costing more than the profit they were actually making before? The same thing happened with Blackberry. They've been struggling (as we all know) and haven't been in all US carriers either.
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Amazon.com has had a solid release date this whole time. Originally, it was June 7 when HTC said the U12+ would ship in June. Now, Amazon says June 21 when HTC now says will ship in July. As for your other questions, HTC barely has a presence in the US anymore. When Samsung took over the market share, HTC stopped being carried in US stores (besides Sprint for the U11... and 10? I forget). I personally just don't think the US is a major priority for HTC anymore. Without being in stores, it's really difficult to move units... And maybe they stopped trying to get into US stores because it was costing more than the profit they were actually making before? The same thing happened with Blackberry. They've been struggling (as we all know) and haven't been in all US carriers either.
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the only reason they arnt a main flagship carrier in the US is because of bad/lack of advertising while samsung constanly has consistent S series phone line while HTC has been all over the place with naming of phones and Samsung runs ads on television and youtube constanly, HTC just needs better marketing out in the US market, also my few cents here but can all the EU/Germany people cool down when someone from US posts they have a right in their own country to speak freely no matter how you may view their thoughts, so plz be respectful, all the original poster was saying how he feels that germany and all the EU markets are getting the phones first when the US market still hasnt gotten theirs still and even im kinda sad about that as well, it has nothing to do with entilement it has to do with a sense of fairness
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Amazon.com has had a solid release date this whole time. Originally, it was June 7 when HTC said the U12+ would ship in June. Now, Amazon says June 21 when HTC now says will ship in July. As for your other questions, HTC barely has a presence in the US anymore. When Samsung took over the market share, HTC stopped being carried in US stores (besides Sprint for the U11... and 10? I forget). I personally just don't think the US is a major priority for HTC anymore. Without being in stores, it's really difficult to move units... And maybe they stopped trying to get into US stores because it was costing more than the profit they were actually making before? The same thing happened with Blackberry. They've been struggling (as we all know) and haven't been in all US carriers either.
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Amazon still says June 21 for ship date - I just checked- at least in the US
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USA is one of the regions where HTC U12+ was earliest announced and the SF and NYC MeetU events were the first two chances where fans had the opportunity of getting hands on the new phone. I thought HTC would treat US customers seriously, but by now it has done everything to make us unhappy instead.
1. European fans have been receiving their phones since last week or earlier, but in the US there's not even an accurate date.
2. European HTC Club members enjoy a fairly good discount, while US TeamHTC members get nothing at all.
3. European HTC Club members get a types-c to 3.5mm converter for free, but US customers will have to buy one by their own...
I really can't understand HTC's marketing strategy. At least it should treat all customers equally, right?
I've been a fan of HTC since I got my HD2 many years ago, but this year I'm kind of disappointed with their attitude to its fans.
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Before I cancelled my preorder, I was to pay £629 with the HTC club discount. With a quick search online, $799.99 is £608. So that pays for the free dongle we get.
As for customer support, my bank card was cloned, and HTC have been just about useless helping me change it to my new card, so I won't get my preorder at all, so I cancelled it. At least I emailed them to cancel it and they haven't replied.
I agree customers should be treated equally where possible, but unfortunately HTC are almost sunk and doesn't seem they have the means to do so anymore.
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Hi, I think you mistook what I said. The $100s coupons and gifts are what European customers get, not American or other regions' users. There's no HTC Club in the U.S but Europe.
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There seems to be a missunderstanding between the two of you. The HTC Club discount for the U12+ is the first discount many countries have ever gotten in Europe. The US, on the other hand, got several discounts and gifts*, in the past. That's what @5m4r7ph0n36uru is referring to.
* these are only the first three examples I could find via google
this shouldn't be any surprise, HTC is pulling out of the US market...no longer carried by any of the carriers & not even supported on Sprint. HTC canned most of their US employees.
Enjoy a new HTC product in the US while you can, the end is near!
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this shouldn't be any surprise, HTC is pulling out of the US market...no longer carried by any of the carriers & not even supported on Sprint. HTC canned most of their US employees.
Enjoy a new HTC product in the US while you can, the end is near!
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I think the network situation is gonna get better with tmobile/sprint merger as everyone has moved to GSM from CDMA and sprint is the last remaining CDMA carrier so i only expect things to get better after its finalized as i used to be on sprint and am happy with tmobile, i didnt make the move right away tho i tried at&t/criket wireless and it sucked and turned out to be more expensive when u want data, where tmobile im part of a company plan and get "unlimited" data where i only got slowed down if i needed to tether from an isp internet outage and was downloading games from steam but when i was it was usable after that still and phone call coverage wise its more usable than when i was on sprints, also are you gonna be making a debloated rom OMJ for this phone really liked the bad boyz rom for when i had the M7 when i had sprint?
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I think the network situation is gonna get better with tmobile/sprint merger as everyone has moved to GSM from CDMA and sprint is the last remaining CDMA carrier so i only expect things to get better after its finalized as i used to be on sprint and am happy with tmobile, i didnt make the move right away tho i tried at&t/criket wireless and it sucked and turned out to be more expensive when u want data, where tmobile im part of a company plan and get "unlimited" data where i only got slowed down if i needed to tether from an isp internet outage and was downloading games from steam but when i was it was usable after that still and phone call coverage wise its more usable than when i was on sprints, also are you gonna be making a debloated rom OMJ for this phone really liked the bad boyz rom for when i had the M7 when i had sprint?
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Sorry, no. I have no plans at the moment to buy the u12
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Flippy498 said:
There seems to be a missunderstanding between the two of you. The HTC Club discount for the U12+ is the first discount many countries have ever gotten in Europe. The US, on the other hand, got severaldiscountsand gifts*, in the past. That's what @5m4r7ph0n36uru is referring to.
* these are only the first three examples I could find via google
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Thanks @Flippy498 for clearing that one up. It's exactly what I wanted to state. Didn't want to attack anyone personally, or things like that. Just help clearing up what has been the case for years and is seemingly changing currently.
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5m4r7ph0n36uru said:
Thanks @Flinny498 for clearing that one up. It's exactly what I wanted to state. Didn't want to attack anyone personally, or things like that. Just help clearing up what has been the case for years and is seemingly changing currently.
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I don't think you meant Flinny.... I don't have a u12+ and currently am not planning on getting one. Not that I don't like the look of it but 24 month contracts...... and I have no REAL need for a new phone yet, at least enough to warrant buying one outright
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I don't think you meant Flinny.... I don't have a u12+ and currently am not planning on getting one. Not that I don't like the look of it but 24 month contracts...... and I have no REAL need for a new phone yet, at least enough to warrant buying one outright
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Yeah sorry my T9 swapped Flippy with your name somehow.
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Well shipping is a joke. People ordered from Amazon is getting on hold or out of stock.
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x1tymez said:
Well shipping is a joke. People ordered from Amazon is getting on hold or out of stock.
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The problem is no one at Amazon knows where the June 21 date came from. It's never been in stock to begin with!
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The problem is no one at Amazon knows where the June 21 date came from. It's never been in stock to begin with!
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They did received first shipment, but not enough. At least what they told me. Lol.
If they don't ship next week. I'll cancel and move to something else.
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They did received first shipment, but not enough. At least what they told me. Lol.
If they don't ship next week. I'll cancel and move to something else.
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Well, every person I spoke to there said they never had it in stock. In any event, all we can do is wait.