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He didn't do it! I did!

Okay, now that you're all curious..
This thread will sum up quickly the last month of hard work, and who deserves the credit. Everyone who deserves serious rep will be in bold, anyone who deserves acknowledgement will be in italics.
- xmoo and his source release a leaked copy of the HTC Magic "system" folder.
- xda members start to frantically get the system folder to boot.
- I go on the forums and try to persuade everyone to listen to me and fail to get anyone to care.
- I decide to take it into my own hands and get that m.f. to run.
* build 4 is released (builds 1,2, and 3 were in house builds until i made the build somewhat usable.)
- barakinflorida suggests that i put open home as the default home application to give you guys a GUI.
* build 4.5 is released
- After 2 days I received an OTA update while testing the 4.5 build and manage to track down where HTC is releasing updates.
- Playing with it for a bit I ported the first successful cupcake build.
* build 5.0 is released
- Some days go by for fixing bugs and sorting stuff out.
- dream_kill shows me how the boot works on the device, and how to fix wifi/bluetooth (simply changing something from sapphire to trout).
- fnord, Darkrift, and I work out how to get apps to sd working on cupcake (cupcake uses vold instead of mountd)
* this is now at build 5.0.1
- an anonymous tipster gives me the system directory to another build based on the vodaphone magic.
- I port that over to the dream again
* G build is released
- Daproy starts building kernels for me with built in ext2 and other goodies, bringing easier apps to sd and other nice features.
- At this point everything is pretty much going pretty smooth, I got a new SPL, new radio, and cupcake is running pretty much on everyones phone. (this was my initial goal, give cupcake to the community )
some days go by...
- Dude compiles the latest cupcake build from source and uses Daproy's, and my, boot image and other pieces (refer to his thread for what exactly) to have a nice working source based build.
- HTC releases ADP 1.5
- I mod ADP 1.5 and release the "root" build.
* ADP1.5H (yes the H stands for haykuro, not HTC.)
- Daproy cooks up a multi-touch kernel for the ADP builds.
- JesusFreke helps me through my compiler troubles and builds the multitouch browser.
* ADP1.5Hr3
this is pretty much it guys. no need to argue.
Me and Dude are friends, he has been very understanding and asks my permission before using any of the parts of my builds.
This is a developers community, and open source supportive.
I want to take a second and make sure everyone understands none of what we have today would be possible if it wasn't for 4 main players.
xmoo releasing the HTC image.
me porting the image.
Daproy building those wonderful kernels.
JesusFreke lending a hand when needed.

I want to thank everyone mentioned above for all of the hard work!!!
Much Appreciated!!!!
Haykuro = greatness!!

Thanks for posting this Hayruko. Those of us that have been following from the beginning (I started with 4.5G) or close to it knew this timeline pretty well, but there seems to be some misconceptions out there now that 1.5 has exploded. Many might think this is a pointless thread, but I like that someone is finally standing up and saying that this isn't a competition between You, Dude, and JF, working fervently to have the best build, but a collaboration between you all and many other hardworking devs, to give us all the best homebrew ROMs available. I wish everyone would stop the "Which is better" or "Just wait until JF gets involved, he'll kill Hayruko's stuff" discussions, pick a build that suits them, and be happy. There's plenty of cupcakes to go around.

Definatly a big thanks to everyone. I don't know what drives some members to shun ANYONE, not just those above for optionally helping them. The idea of Open Source is to help spread knowledge from everyone to everyone. The greatest learning experience. Yourself and among countless others have helped evolve the use of Android and the G1, and there isn't a single person on this forum that shouldn't be grateful for the hard work and countless hours you've slaved to do this work on your own time.
I'm sorry we have some of the members we do here, but on behalf of those that don't wish to speak their names and hide in the darkness.
THANKYOU!!!!!

thank you guys for all the hard work u guys done for us ! XDA DEVELOPERS #1 FORUM ! GOGOGO !

That's actually an interesting build ........... well done guys (& girls?)
Love the work you bring to the community here!

There is no "I" in T-E-A-M!!
Great work! Really Great Work...

Arigato gozaimasu

What a liar!! I did most of the work, haykuro just took all my credit.
/me hides

you guys should get together and open an android company and develope more software for android and get paid =D

It is awesome all the hard work that you all have put in on the bettering of this device. Much Appreciated, Thank you!

Awsom work guys! Helping each other is what's goning realy help throw the apples and windows out. I've been folowing all of the android news for about 6 monts waiting for my old contract to be up.
It sounds like this is stable enough now, ill be updating tonight. I can't wait.

johnnylicious said:
you guys should get together and open an android company and develope more software for android and get paid =D
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People who do this get killed by GOOGLE "thugs"
On a serious note.... Thanks to all who have contributed to the advancement of android!

You guys are all amazing. Thanks for all your hard work.

Maybe you dont understand what open source means, The whole point of android was a open source projects that would remain open and free. Any TRUE open source developer knows and understands this and does the work not to get paid, But to help out a community. Yes there is a way to make money, And yes some people are making money from their apps, But that was never the point of a open source community, People contributed for the common good of the community not to get rich... But i am a capitalist and understand the all mighty dollar...
johnnylicious said:
you guys should get together and open an android company and develope more software for android and get paid =D
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Lol @ darkrift. Agreed w/all above. Someone recently (don't remember who) brought up how roms are cooked for other HTC phones...and the fact that there are tons of customs for those w/ unique apps for each. We should be celebrating these guys with thanks for providing each something different to the open source community.
Ps. Tehseano I like your new sig.

To all devs who participated.....
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR AWESOME WORK!!!! Thank you all for your knowledge & watermelon sized cojones (each), for flashing the first releases & being fearless of the outcome, as well as moving forward at a blazing speed. I sincerely thank you for your hard work, and for making me look cool by being the first person around that I know with a working video camera on their G1!!!!

First and foremost I would to say THANK YOU to all involved.
Second; I imagine you guys are using IRC to keep in constant contact? If not I suggest we put together a IRC room for this board so all can idle, and discuss ideas.

Thank all of you guys...loving my G1 even more...personally I don't know how much I'd like my phone if not for all the mods.
Keep up the great work.
Can't wait until you guys begin compiling 100% custom builds...muahahahhahah...one can hope.

thanks so much guys! it just cant be said enought how much your work is appreciated.. i hated my g1 like a mofo, now i cant think of having any other phone!

froyo sdk release: to all chefs

hi there chefs,
froyo sdk has just release do you know now if it will be available to our devices???

haha
fire extinguisher ready!!!!

Ben released superF on his twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/benbuchacher

havoKXT said:
Ben released superF on his twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/benbuchacher
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Oooh. Working Youtube too.

so lets fix the wifi guys
ps:
i know a bit c # and silverlight and im just 15 yrs... im very excited on all those ports, hacks and fixes so i buy a used g1 from ebay..
does anyone have any clues on how to start learning this...

Quick and dirty port coming up. Testing it right now.

btw, I think that the link in Ben's Twitter being a rickroll means just that...
I'd love to see a functional port though.

me too jubeh

This thread is not development related. Do not post such threads in the development thread.
Aside from that, making a ROM from the SDK is not making a ROM but PORTING a ROM and as you have probably noticed from all ported ROMs, it's hard to do and things don't always work well. The best ROMs are going to come when the source code gets dropped.

[idea]Support for a developer who would take care of developing O3D (pro)

I know someone is developing cm7 on our device. Maybe there is a way to motivate dev to get fully functional cm7 and cm9, and the most beloved miui in the end. (when there will be CM maybe the miui team will get interested in our device)
So maybe support some devs financially to make things happen and push the development forward.
What do you think?

I´m in. I have no idea on how difficult is to port all 3D stuff to CM7, but I know one thing: we´re talking about an API that only the O3D uses so far, and I have no consistent info about other devices using it in the future.
So, for now, all the effort to fully support the Real3D API is something that will not be used for any other phone, which is not good considering anything else done in CM is shared among several devices.
Given all this, I completely agree an extra incentive will be appropriate.
And I go beyond that: if we really donate, I would love to see some docs, how to´s, or at least a log of the daily work. CM development all a mistery for me, and I´m very interested in learning how this stuff work.

I am in, I have already donated to cyanogen mod website but will donate again directly to the person taking care of the nightlies releases.
feels guilty using without paying

I'm just wondering how to organize it? Should we contact to the person which actually ports cyanogen to our devices or maybe make some contest for the willing to earn some money developers ?
Should we set some goal to which amount of money we must collect.. But first the dev must appear and his paypal account that we sent money to.
Any person willing to organize things? Maybe some moderator who wants to cooperate? Some announcement would be helpful...

IFLPI said:
I'm just wondering how to organize it? Should we contact to the person which actually ports cyanogen to our devices or maybe make some contest for the willing to earn some money developers ?
Should we set some goal to which amount of money we must collect.. But first the dev must appear and his paypal account that we sent money to.
Any person willing to organize things? Maybe some moderator who wants to cooperate? Some announcement would be helpful...
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want a fully working cm or MIUI asap and don't care about the expenses? find tripnraver and buy him an o3d. you will have MIUI at least really really fast. I can contact him if you want to see if he is interested... He did an excellent job with MIUI on the x10 when we had only eclair available and locked bootloader and the like and he is the one who ported the bravia engine to another phone for the first time (the x10) only a week after arc rom was dumped... he then bought an htc sensation and ported MIUI to them within a week... he is awesome dev though a bit touchy with people using his work in other roms...

Yes, please ask him if he's interested. Maybe we would buy him a phone, what do you think ppl? Miui i one of the best and probably the fastest ROM ever.

IFLPI said:
Yes, please ask him if he's interested. Maybe we would buy him a phone, what do you think ppl? Miui i one of the best and probably the fastest ROM ever.
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ok will do as soon as i get a chance.that means most likely tonight. if you head over to the sensation forums over at modaco you wilm see what i mean. he has like 8-9 different roms going on and his tripnmiui is also mentioned-included in the official miui site though he is not part of the miui team... he is a one man army...

I think the most important point is Real3D porting. Arcee already made clear he´s not going to port it in his CM7 work.
If we´re going to create some "incentive" for someone to have CM and/or MIUI for the O3D, it´s important to discuss beforehand about having Real3D ported, otherwise it´s not worth, in my opinion.

maybe we can collect some money and give it to the developer who give us a fully functionaly rom

Marcovecchio said:
I think the most important point is Real3D porting. Arcee already made clear he´s not going to port it in his CM7 work.
If we´re going to create some "incentive" for someone to have CM and/or MIUI for the O3D, it´s important to discuss beforehand about having Real3D ported, otherwise it´s not worth, in my opinion.
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We should ask if it's possible to port this whole 3d stuff, as he is experienced he will know such thing and give the answer.

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nope I just still cannot get a hold on finding him. seems he is mostly on when i am offline and vice versa.... when i reach him i will let you know. Or you could head over to androidmodaco sensation forums and ask him yourself if you see him online. Name is TriNRaVeR and he has like 6-7 active rom threads there...

update: contacted tripnraver today(finally) and he said he will do some studying on the matter and come back to me but he needs to know what we need as he will most likely have time to dev only one rom for us (he prefers doing MIUI in general) and he will need a phone to work on so we will have to find a way of getting him one. he doesnt mind porting proprietary code so he will of course port real 3d to his rom (he did that with bravia engine which he pulled out of an early arc test phone. he was the first to do that btw). Only thing he always demands is that people ask him before using his work on other roms and when they do give him due credits. And of course all his work will be posted on AndroidModaco as he wants nothing to do with this here site for his own reasons.... basically we need to make sure what we need and find out how to get his hands on an o3d

jimakos29 said:
update: contacted tripnraver today(finally) and he said he will do some studying on the matter and come back to me but he needs to know what we need as he will most likely have time to dev only one rom for us (he prefers doing MIUI in general) and he will need a phone to work on so we will have to find a way of getting him one. he doesnt mind porting proprietary code so he will of course port real 3d to his rom (he did that with bravia engine which he pulled out of an early arc test phone. he was the first to do that btw). Only thing he always demands is that people ask him before using his work on other roms and when they do give him due credits. And of course all his work will be posted on AndroidModaco as he wants nothing to do with this here site for his own reasons.... basically we need to make sure what we need and find out how to get his hands on an o3d
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I am ready to donate some also...

For me miui would be fine, don't know if it's ok with the others.
So we must have (his) pay pal account to send some money. I hope there are enough ppl who want to contribute. And how much costs optimus 3d where he lives..

ill send money if us thrill users can get a working port
Sent from my LG Thrill 4G...

Are there any HW differences between these two? Or just basebands? Different modems? Gsm vs cdma?

Sorry for the newbie question, but isn´t necessary to have a fully working CM before building MIUI? In other words: isn´t MIUI derived from CM?
If so, he will need to first work on a CM version, and only then go for MIUI, instead of directly going for a MIUI ROM...

Marcovecchio said:
Sorry for the newbie question, but isn´t necessary to have a fully working CM before building MIUI? In other words: isn´t MIUI derived from CM?
If so, he will need to first work on a CM version, and only then go for MIUI, instead of directly going for a MIUI ROM...
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in what i have seen from his developing for the x10 back then he ported miui from scratch. but even so we have nightlies so he takes that, fixes bugs, ports real3d and delivers the package and you can count on his keeping us supported afterwards. plus no need to get him a brand new o3d just a working one so he can work.... but i still need to hear news from him. said he needs some time to do his.homework first cause never had an lg(well he never had an htc either but when he bought sensation he delivered an almost perfect MIUI within one and a half week kernel included
edit: he lives in netherland btw. and you can check his works in androidmodaco sensation forums if interested...

I am ready to donate..

Lack of AOSP for Sensation - I'm going crazy!

Why is it that ever since the Sensation has come out that there is very little to no AOSP support and/or development for it?
The closest we ever seem to have are Sense-stripped ROMs, and it's so annoying.
Now the CM9 team has stopped Sensation development? What the hell is going on?
Is it the Sensation's architecture that renders it just that difficult for our very respected and talented developers to provide such content?
I despise Sense with the deepest passion imaginable. May someone please explain the lack of AOSP support for this amazing device?
Excuse my ranting but I can't hold out for much longer without knowing a clear answer.

i agree with u

Dude, seriously get a grip. Our very own devs are working on it and have a 2nd alpha release already out. Look in the dev section and you'll see the be from virtuous. It's got it's bugs, but it's we'll on its way to stardom. Forget cm9, those people don't know what it means to finish what they start. Take stock in our devs, as they are working their butt off as we speak.
And yes, it's no easy task. Ics is radically new and different. Give it some time and some more Htc release before we have a solid rom.
Matt

First off, yes there is an alpha AOSP ICS from the virtuous team that looks promising. Second, CM did not drop the sensation. Dunno where you got that info. Kmobs just posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/kmobs/status/160440102626136066

mrg02d said:
Dude, seriously get a grip. Our very own devs are working on it and have a 2nd alpha release already out. Look in the dev section and you'll see the be from virtuous. It's got it's bugs, but it's we'll on its way to stardom. Forget cm9, those people don't know what it means to finish what they start. Take stock in our devs, as they are working their butt off as we speak.
And yes, it's no easy task. Ics is radically new and different. Give it some time and some more Htc release before we have a solid rom.
Matt
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For sure, I understand, I'm not trying to be ignorant, I just love AOSP.
Also, with my previous Android device being the myTouch 4G, it received an AOSP ROM, actually a variety of them rather quickly.
Like I said I respect our developers and love them to death, I'm just having AOSP withdrawals. HTC Sense is tearing me apart

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First off, yes there is an alpha AOSP ICS from the virtuous team that looks promising. Second, CM did not drop the sensation. Dunno where you got that info. Kmobs just posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/kmobs/status/160440102626136066
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I knew about the Alpha ROM, just wish it wasn't the only one in development. I believe I saw the CM9 info in another thread. Apparently it was mistaken.

moh0 said:
First off, yes there is an alpha AOSP ICS from the virtuous team that looks promising. Second, CM did not drop the sensation. Dunno where you got that info. Kmobs just posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/kmobs/status/160440102626136066
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I'll believe it when I see it. If he's telling the truth, then communcation is key...his g+ paints a different picture. One with the GN getting all the attention.
Oh well, I feel team virtuous is well ahead of him anyways and they also are more than one or two dudes working on a charity case.
Matt

mrg02d said:
I'll believe it when I see it. If he's telling the truth, then communcation is key...his g+ paints a different picture. One with the GN getting all the attention.
Oh well, I feel team virtuous is well ahead of him anyways and they also are more than one or two dudes working on a charity case.
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And I thank the Virtuous team for tackling the project. No one else seems to care, guess Sense has everyone by the neck.

mrg02d said:
I'll believe it when I see it. If he's telling the truth, then communcation is key...his g+ paints a different picture. One with the GN getting all the attention.
Oh well, I feel team virtuous is well ahead of him anyways and they also are more than one or two dudes working on a charity case.
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I highly doubt a respected developer such as kmobs would be lying to our faces. While the way CM team operates might be infuriating to us flashaholics, they are secretive for a reason. They want a high quality release with initially all internal efforts. And hey, its gotten them to a millions users, so they must be doing something right.

moh0 said:
I highly doubt a respected developer such as kmobs would be lying to our faces. While the way CM team operates might be infuriating to us flashaholics, they are secretive for a reason. They want a high quality release with initially all internal efforts. And hey, its gotten them to a millions users, so they must be doing something right.
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+1
No one from cm7 has said that development has stopped. These devs have lives and other things to do and other problems to deal with. Kmobs doesn't want to release a buggy Rom which I think is good.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium

When you pay the CM developers a salary, then you can complain about their release schedules.
When they give you their work for free, it'll come out when they are ready for it to come out and you ought to be grateful.
If it doesn't come out at all, you've got nothing to complain about because you didn't do anything to help it come out.

Skipjacks said:
When you pay the CM developers a salary, then you can complain about their release schedules.
When they give you their work for free, it'll come out when they are ready for it to come out and you ought to be grateful.
If it doesn't come out at all, you've got nothing to complain about because you didn't do anything to help it come out.
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News flash, they are playing with the idea of charging for things in the future. They want to have their own marketplace and make money on the side for this and that. Check Kmobs g+ for more information. They're going to have to get used to quite a bit more if they want to be successful. Communication is key, and in this case, king. They better get used to a whole lot more the second they receive money for an app.
Also, no one is *****ing about not having cm9 yet, they are *****ing about the secrecy as to whether or not it is even still a possibility. I believe it was mentioned that many other OLDER phones have some version of cm9 already, yet we don't.
Also, they never said cm7 was over either, yet the consensus says that it is. We've heard zip officially about cm9 or cm7.
If this is how they run their future paid for apps business, I'll steer clear as will most. As for now, I'm sure they enjoy the free beers they get from all the donations. It would be a nice gesture of them to give an update about cm9.
Aside from Kmobs and company, it's refreshing to see a group of people working hard on an ics aosp. Once they get a few more things ironed out, I'm sure they will see a lot more donations coming their way.

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News flash, they are playing with the idea of charging for things in the future. They want to have their own marketplace and make money on the side for this and that. Check Kmobs g+ for more information. They're going to have to get used to quite a bit more if they want to be successful. Communication is key, and in this case, king. They better get used to a whole lot more the second they receive money for an app.
Also, no one is *****ing about not having cm9 yet, they are *****ing about the secrecy as to whether or not it is even still a possibility. I believe it was mentioned that many other OLDER phones have some version of cm9 already, yet we don't.
Also, they never said cm7 was over either, yet the consensus says that it is. We've heard zip officially about cm9 or cm7.
If this is how they run their future paid for apps business, I'll steer clear as will most. As for now, I'm sure they enjoy the free beers they get from all the donations. It would be a nice gesture of them to give an update about cm9.
Aside from Kmobs and company, it's refreshing to see a group of people working hard on an ics aosp. Once they get a few more things ironed out, I'm sure they will see a lot more donations coming their way.
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And I'm stoked about the Virtuous project.
I also understand these concerns of "you're not doing much to help" yet all I'm saying, is that I think a powerful and amazing device such as the Sensation should have more of an AOSP ROM variety. Most other devices have all kinds of AOSP ROMs.
I wish all of us, the Sensation community, would have worried more about AOSP ROMs other than our huge database of Sense based ROMs. Don't get me wrong, however, our Sense ROMs are absolutely amazing and they've helped my patience along with, I'm sure, many other user's patience as well.

This is what i have been thinking since i moved from mytouch 4g to sensation. I just don't know why but it looks like sensation users/developers is not interested in MIUI rom ( i only see 1 MIUI rom, and it not fully working, no update recently).

tritran18518 said:
This is what i have been thinking since i moved from mytouch 4g to sensation. I just don't know why but it looks like sensation users/developers is not interested in MIUI rom ( i only see 1 MIUI rom, and it not fully working, no update recently).
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Actually, the MIUI ROM in the dev section has been updated as of a few days ago. Also there is another highly functional MIUI ROM floating around but linking to it is forbidden. Hit up google if interested.

I think CyanogenMod has to be secretive to function.
You make a good point, I haven't seen hardly any AOSP roms for the sensation besides cyanogenmod. Although I think cyanogenmod 7 is ridiculously fast, and it's aosp, I quite like it...and cm9 beta is available for the sensation, but I agree with the fact that they don't announce ANYTHING...their last update on cm9 was like december 9th.
However, if you think of it from their perspective, can you possibly imagine releasing a buggy beta rom to THAT many people? I mean, the first rom a lot of people hear about is cyanogenmod, so all of the new people would flash that, and we all know how many new people can't read a set of clear instructions...
So, i think that it is almost required for them to keep it on the down low, to avoid mass confusion and complaining from every single user who can't read...It's like when you read the comments morons leave in the market...
anyways, sorry to rant. but Yeah, I think that they pretty much have to be more secretive, not all of their users are active forum members seeking to better the community and not be ignorant.

I've always been curious why A2DP bluetooth and the camera are always the hardest things to fix on most phones when compiling an AOSP ROM. I thought the ROM source would help with that, but I don't know exactly how it works.

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I've always been curious why A2DP bluetooth and the camera are always the hardest things to fix on most phones when compiling an AOSP ROM. I thought the ROM source would help with that, but I don't know exactly how it works.
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From what I understand, both of those things (including wifi hotspot) are kernel related. It's hard to dev's to fix those things without the proper kernel source.

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From what I understand, both of those things (including wifi hotspot) are kernel related. It's hard to dev's to fix those things without the proper kernel source.
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Ah that helped me understand a lot more.

just an fyi that xda isn't the only place to find roms...

Why XDA should also accept ROM project without Sources...

I know, this thread might violate xda-rules... BUT...!
Generally it is right, to ban Android projects without giving sources...
I think, this is good...
But here we are speaking about an Android port to an NON ANDROID DEVICE...
Surely sources might be posted publically...
But one example...
I know Tigrouzen's "ZenDroKat ROM"....
I had FULL ACCESS to his Webserver...
There were also some source files... But not all...
Tried to download them... But useless and incomplete...
Unfortunately he lost his sources due to hardware issue...
Decompiling "ZenDroKat" is impossible...
Well...
But I think, we should accept technically working solutions without knowing how they work...
I think, there is no reason, to see these ROMs as warez...
I am using "ZenDroKat V2.3" permanently as primary OS on my Wave II device and it runs much smoother than bada ever did...
With blocking "non-opened" ROMs xda blocks improvement of technologies in smartphone development.
I hope, that xda will accept, that devs can release their ROMs not only as badaDROID versions (where the sources are available)...
I think, when there is an acceptable reputation of the product (and for ZenDroKat it is!), it should be also accepted her...
Hope to get an affordable response by xda....
Thanks in advance...!

True.
After using his NAND Rom, I can say the guy has put a lot of effort in the ROM making, and he deserves to be credited. His ROM as of now is the best ROM out there and the NAND Rom has now become my daily driver.
Thanks TigrouZen, because of you, my phone is alive and better than ever. Goodbye bada forever.

It seems this could be 1 answer to your Thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2645321
Best Regards