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(Calling The Whole Community) - Creation of The Ultimate Rom - (The Community Rom)

Hey Plz read this a creation of a community rom you should be thinking what well:
I am thinking of the creation of the rom called "The Ultimate Rom" for G1/MT3G and hope it also moves onto newer phones as you can see the G1/MT3G is starting to fade as the newer phones begin to be born and because of this I believe we should make a community rom where not only the devs can join in but the community weather it be graphics to sounds I believe we all should be able to join in so I would like to get some help on making it come true I believe there should be a rom we as the community should be happy for that we all chipped in and made something truly amazing ^^
PS: And mods plz don't delete this for being in the Dev section I believe it is about Devs and I would like you to be part of this rom as well ^^
Hoping to start 4th of july so getting everyone ready to put stuff in or ready for it to start ^^
0o ill list down every single person no matter how big this gets up till july 4th and after july 4th and even testing is fine ^^
If it works or not at least we would had tried and at least even if we do fail we have gained knowledge, experience and had fun
A POLL WILL BE MADE TOMORROW SO THE COMMUNITY CAN CHOOSE WHAT THEY WANT ^^ AND ANY OTHER NEW ADDED STUFF THERE WILL BE A LIST TO ADD TO ^^

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xillius200 said:
Hey Plz read this a creation of a community rom you should be thinking what well:
I am thinking of the creation of the rom called "The Ultimate Rom" for G1/MT3G and hope it also moves onto newer phones as you can see the G1/MT3G is starting to fade as the newer phones begin to be born and because of this I believe we should make a community rom where not only the devs can join in but the community weather it be graphics to sounds I believe we all should be able to join in so I would like to get some help on making it come true I believe there should be a rom we as the community should be happy for that we all chipped in and made something truly amazing ^^
PS: And mods plz don't delete this for being in the Dev section I believe it is about Devs and I would like you to be part of this rom as well ^^
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OMG #FAIL haha j/k LOL, count me in of course

kingklick said:
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lol dude don't be a jerk i've had my fame with speedteam and zachattacks and xillius rom lol I think the community should get there chance ^^ and we need it while we can won't be long till g1/mt3g is gone we should make something to rememberer

xillius200 said:
lol dude don't be a jerk i've had my fame with speedteam and zachattacks and xillius rom lol I think the community should get there chance ^^ and we need it while we can won't be long till g1/mt3g is gone we should make something to rememberer
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It's funny how he always comes back to G1/Mytouch Forums Update his roms with already released things, renames them and then asks for money for a mytouch slide... He is using the community to get him new phones... Anyway back on subject
Got like 4 people now 5 almost

XxKOLOHExX said:
It's funny how he always comes back to G1/Mytouch Forums Update his roms with already released things, renames them and then asks for money for a mytouch slide... He is using the community to get him new phones... Anyway back on subject
Got like 4 people now 5 almost
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yep lol hopefully as much as possible ^^

XxKOLOHExX said:
It's funny how he always comes back to G1/Mytouch Forums Update his roms with already released things, renames them and then asks for money for a mytouch slide... He is using the community to get him new phones...
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(giggles)
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I can't help..but I'll test anything that pops off

Please. We've been down this road before. When the glory and satisfaction of solo or small team ROMs isn't in play, development suffers. We need creative individuals pushing the limits to advance the scene, and unless they have their name on the ROM, things will slow down. This goes for life (free enterprise vs. socialism) and ROM dev.
Also, keep in mind, all the ROMs are community! There are thousands of man-hours of work already in every aspect of Android. The ROMs we see build on all that. This is a solution in search of a problem.

ytj87 said:
Please. We've been down this road before. When the glory and satisfaction of solo or small team ROMs isn't in play, development suffers. We need creative individuals pushing the limits to advance the scene, and unless they have their name on the ROM, things will slow down. This goes for life (free enterprise vs. socialism) and ROM dev.
Also, keep in mind, all the ROMs are community! There are thousands of man-hours of work already in every aspect of Android. The ROMs we see build on all that. This is a solution in search of a problem.
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lol I have created over 7 successful roms some in a small team others in a big team lol and it worked out xD and I would disagree check I left a bit ago about a month if that lol and no everyone should get a chance not just one person thats just selfish also I think if one big rom is made we can keep some G1/MT3G users for longer lol we need something new and exciting can't you see that ^^ well whatever you say I will try and continue this IDK if it will work or not THE THING IS EVERYONE WOULD HAVE FUN TRYING ^^

If you are serious about this, I think it's a dumb idea. The best thing about having a rooted Android phone is that you can choose whatever ROM suits you.
Personally, I want a fast Donut ROM. I don't care for all the extra bells and whistles in SuperD/CM4/etc and I don't have any interest in running an Eclair ROM as I don't think they perform well enough on our phones. Given the popularity of OpenEclair/SuperE/CM5, there are obviously other people who feel differently and I expect a vast number of people here wouldn't switch back to Donut if you paid them.
There will never be "The Ultimate ROM" because everyone's needs and wants are different. Just let devs make what they will and let users choose what they want.

i have very little experience in the overall creation of the rom, however i am very willing to learn more and would jump at the opportunity to be of any help, if someone was willing to show me a little bit of how this all works i am positive i can be of great help.

To me I could care less about credit.... I rather help where I can then be selfish... Knowledge isn't a competition, it is a struggle as a group I would love to learn what I don't and Help others where I can Ego is the one thing that could destroy this project ...

SpeedTeam is there whenever you need us....Right K =)

Super Jamie said:
If you are serious about this, I think it's a dumb idea. The best thing about having a rooted Android phone is that you can choose whatever ROM suits you.
Personally, I want a fast Donut ROM. I don't care for all the extra bells and whistles in SuperD/CM4/etc and I don't have any interest in running an Eclair ROM as I don't think they perform well enough on our phones. Given the popularity of OpenEclair/SuperE/CM5, there are obviously other people who feel differently and I expect a vast number of people here wouldn't switch back to Donut if you paid them.
There will never be "The Ultimate ROM" because everyone's needs and wants are different. Just let devs make what they will and let users choose what they want.
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with code much is possible you can change your rom by the tick of a button or tap of a button wysie has shown us this and cyan making a rom possible to suite most of course not all people by some options and extra features of choice can be done ^^

christiansantana51 said:
SpeedTeam is there whenever you need us....Right K =)
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Agreed LMFAO but isn't he in SpeedTeam lmfao **SPEEDTEAM FORCES ACTIVATE!*** LMFAO!

XxKOLOHExX said:
To me I could care less about credit.... I rather help where I can then be selfish... Knowledge isn't a competition, it is a struggle as a group I would love to learn what I don't and Help others where I can Ego is the one thing that could destroy this project ...
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and what K said is exactly right also android was opensource as a group project so are you saying that because android was a group project it was a fail I think not

xillius200 said:
Hey Plz read this a creation of a community rom you should be thinking what well:
I am thinking of the creation of the rom called "The Ultimate Rom" for G1/MT3G and hope it also moves onto newer phones as you can see the G1/MT3G is starting to fade as the newer phones begin to be born and because of this I believe we should make a community rom where not only the devs can join in but the community weather it be graphics to sounds I believe we all should be able to join in so I would like to get some help on making it come true I believe there should be a rom we as the community should be happy for that we all chipped in and made something truly amazing ^^
PS: And mods plz don't delete this for being in the Dev section I believe it is about Devs and I would like you to be part of this rom as well ^^
Hoping to start 4th of july so getting everyone ready to put stuff in or ready for it to start ^^
0o ill list down every single person no matter how big this gets up till july 4th and after july 4th and even testing is fine ^^
If it works or not at least we would had tried and at least even if we do fail we have gained knowledge, experience and had fun
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I swear, when I read this, it sounded like you died from lack of oxygen at the end. Please, for the sake of readers, could you use punctuation? Throw a few commas and periods in there.
As for the idea, I would flash a beta version or two, but I can't see this working out as well as some might hope. There will always be disagreements. Some people want 2.1, others, 1.6. Some like SenseUI, and others don't. Words like "perfect" and "ultimate" are very subjective to whoever reads them.
Good idea, probably very hard to execute. Good luck.

NViouz said:
I swear, when I read this, it sounded like you died from lack of oxygen at the end. Please, for the sake of readers, could you use punctuation? Throw a few commas and periods in there.
As for the idea, I would flash a beta version or two, but I can't see this working out as well as some might hope. There will always be disagreements. Some people want 2.1, others, 1.6. Some like SenseUI, and others don't. Words like "perfect" and "ultimate" are very subjective to whoever reads them.
Good idea, probably very hard to execute. Good luck.
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lol thanks dude ^^ hopefully there must someway to make a script for downgrade and upgrade without losing data etc. I wish it is possible lol well something good may come of this rom ^^

I'd be willing to help out aesthetically.

[Q] Any Devs?

Do we have any devs supporting the Infuse? I would like to know who the devs are! Thank you

Hare4 said:
I would like to know who the devs are! Thank you
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Hah, And likewise I'm sure the dev's will stay nice and quiet until they have something worth showing/releasing. They don't want to be harassed by the 100's-1000's of recent Infuse users who have nothing to contribute.

crawlgsx said:
Hah, And likewise I'm sure the dev's will stay nice and quiet until they have something worth showing/releasing. They don't want to be harassed by the 100's-1000's of recent Infuse users who have nothing to contribute.
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Makes total sense. I should of thought of that one.

Anyway i'm gonna go ahead and say thanks to the devs and anyone else who is going to contribute.

Anyone know how difficult it would be to port a Captivate Rom to th Infuse? They do have similar hardware.

If I may chime in, the quickest way I've seen to get dev's developing for your phone is to start a multi donation page where you amas funds (some may give 20 bucks each donator,etc) and then buy a couple of the devs the device and ship it to them. This is how the Nook got CM7 as well as many other devices.

pceasar said:
If I may chime in, the quickest way I've seen to get dev's developing for your phone is to start a multi donation page where you amas funds (some may give 20 bucks each donator,etc) and then buy a couple of the devs the device and ship it to them. This is how the Nook got CM7 as well as many other devices.
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That don't sound like a bad idea....

justanothernoob said:
That don't sound like a bad idea....
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I'll chip in and donate to a dev that already has rep.

I am willing to donate so long as team Phoenix gets the phone.
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shadow65781 said:
I am willing to donate so long as team Phoenix gets the phone.
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Same here xtremekilla09 is prob my favorite of the team phoenix developers over on the captivate
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I'd gladly donate to someone who will take on Porting MIUI.

I've had the phone for about three weeks now, and I've been working on trying to get something going -
Unfortunately my Hernia surgery has caused some slight impedance, but I may try to contact other devs and see whats going on.

ChadHughes said:
I've had the phone for about three weeks now, and I've been working on trying to get something going -
Unfortunately my Hernia surgery has caused some slight impedance, but I may try to contact other devs and see whats going on.
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*doh* best of luck on a quick recovery, thats no fun.

di11igaf has indicated he would be willing to work on a ROM if a device was donated. Here's a link to his Captivate and Inspire ROMs to give you an idea of his work.
Captivate kernel
GingerBeast for Inspire

EGBTMagus said:
Anyone know how difficult it would be to port a Captivate Rom to th Infuse? They do have similar hardware.
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please this is not true. assuming thing are easy to port from sgs is not a good way to go. there is a similar processor. and that's about all you can confirm. this phone has more ram, mhl hdmi support, new gps hardware, maybe a new radio, though it may be the same as in sgs4g which in it's self is hard enough to port anything beyond the apks and maybe the rom, new camera, a flash, new screen type, and posibly an new audio chip as some samsungs such as the galaxy player and sgs2 are using yamaha audio componants while the sgs line is wolfson.
you dont see ports to and from captivate to fascinate, or to sgs4g, or to the droid charge and those phones are more similar to the captivate than this is. this may have more in common with the galaxy tab than the captivate.
these are not minor differences but it may be posible to maybe port the framework over and apk's. it may be posible to use the whole rom but not the kernel. ports will be projects and maybe not a great idea other than maybe an aosp gingerbread or icecream sandwhich project.

I just got this phone as well and awaiting some development

Since I don't know Cyanogen, we'd need to talk to someone like "rhcp0112345" or "EugeneKay" to reach out to them....same for MIUI devs.
If we can get more people showing an interest to donate we can get this going.
See the below thread as a successful instance of this, I know it happened also for the captivate with cognition I think.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=868868

HushH said:
di11igaf has indicated he would be willing to work on a ROM if a device was donated.
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I believe Designgears would do the same but, I don't believe we'll be able to sway Mikey into another AT&T branded phone....?

Ok I guess we've done enough talking i guess I'll start another thread later today to start accumulating a list of those who'd be willing to donate. If the list gets substantial, we'll reach out to the devs.

to be honest id rather it stay small. i would like 3-4 roms more than a couple dozen. and id like there to be better comunication between devs, intermediate users, and newbe's rather than the cluster [email protected] seen in some forums. when there are too many parties involved it gets to a point that lower level users stop learning and advanced users suddenly take on expectations from the comunity. id rather it stay small. we can get help when we need it but most of the stuff in the sgs forums that we wont see are not that significant in my oppinion. i got rid of the captivate and got this because i thought id know enough about it to get it like i want it and not be sucked into the rom frenzy while also being a contributing member of the board. im not saying im against bounties for your favorite devs to come over but id rather put up a bounty for a second phone for the devs that actually wanted to buy this phone.

Lack of AOSP for Sensation - I'm going crazy!

Why is it that ever since the Sensation has come out that there is very little to no AOSP support and/or development for it?
The closest we ever seem to have are Sense-stripped ROMs, and it's so annoying.
Now the CM9 team has stopped Sensation development? What the hell is going on?
Is it the Sensation's architecture that renders it just that difficult for our very respected and talented developers to provide such content?
I despise Sense with the deepest passion imaginable. May someone please explain the lack of AOSP support for this amazing device?
Excuse my ranting but I can't hold out for much longer without knowing a clear answer.

i agree with u

Dude, seriously get a grip. Our very own devs are working on it and have a 2nd alpha release already out. Look in the dev section and you'll see the be from virtuous. It's got it's bugs, but it's we'll on its way to stardom. Forget cm9, those people don't know what it means to finish what they start. Take stock in our devs, as they are working their butt off as we speak.
And yes, it's no easy task. Ics is radically new and different. Give it some time and some more Htc release before we have a solid rom.
Matt

First off, yes there is an alpha AOSP ICS from the virtuous team that looks promising. Second, CM did not drop the sensation. Dunno where you got that info. Kmobs just posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/kmobs/status/160440102626136066

mrg02d said:
Dude, seriously get a grip. Our very own devs are working on it and have a 2nd alpha release already out. Look in the dev section and you'll see the be from virtuous. It's got it's bugs, but it's we'll on its way to stardom. Forget cm9, those people don't know what it means to finish what they start. Take stock in our devs, as they are working their butt off as we speak.
And yes, it's no easy task. Ics is radically new and different. Give it some time and some more Htc release before we have a solid rom.
Matt
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For sure, I understand, I'm not trying to be ignorant, I just love AOSP.
Also, with my previous Android device being the myTouch 4G, it received an AOSP ROM, actually a variety of them rather quickly.
Like I said I respect our developers and love them to death, I'm just having AOSP withdrawals. HTC Sense is tearing me apart

moh0 said:
First off, yes there is an alpha AOSP ICS from the virtuous team that looks promising. Second, CM did not drop the sensation. Dunno where you got that info. Kmobs just posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/kmobs/status/160440102626136066
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I knew about the Alpha ROM, just wish it wasn't the only one in development. I believe I saw the CM9 info in another thread. Apparently it was mistaken.

moh0 said:
First off, yes there is an alpha AOSP ICS from the virtuous team that looks promising. Second, CM did not drop the sensation. Dunno where you got that info. Kmobs just posted this on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/kmobs/status/160440102626136066
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I'll believe it when I see it. If he's telling the truth, then communcation is key...his g+ paints a different picture. One with the GN getting all the attention.
Oh well, I feel team virtuous is well ahead of him anyways and they also are more than one or two dudes working on a charity case.
Matt

mrg02d said:
I'll believe it when I see it. If he's telling the truth, then communcation is key...his g+ paints a different picture. One with the GN getting all the attention.
Oh well, I feel team virtuous is well ahead of him anyways and they also are more than one or two dudes working on a charity case.
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And I thank the Virtuous team for tackling the project. No one else seems to care, guess Sense has everyone by the neck.

mrg02d said:
I'll believe it when I see it. If he's telling the truth, then communcation is key...his g+ paints a different picture. One with the GN getting all the attention.
Oh well, I feel team virtuous is well ahead of him anyways and they also are more than one or two dudes working on a charity case.
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I highly doubt a respected developer such as kmobs would be lying to our faces. While the way CM team operates might be infuriating to us flashaholics, they are secretive for a reason. They want a high quality release with initially all internal efforts. And hey, its gotten them to a millions users, so they must be doing something right.

moh0 said:
I highly doubt a respected developer such as kmobs would be lying to our faces. While the way CM team operates might be infuriating to us flashaholics, they are secretive for a reason. They want a high quality release with initially all internal efforts. And hey, its gotten them to a millions users, so they must be doing something right.
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+1
No one from cm7 has said that development has stopped. These devs have lives and other things to do and other problems to deal with. Kmobs doesn't want to release a buggy Rom which I think is good.
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When you pay the CM developers a salary, then you can complain about their release schedules.
When they give you their work for free, it'll come out when they are ready for it to come out and you ought to be grateful.
If it doesn't come out at all, you've got nothing to complain about because you didn't do anything to help it come out.

Skipjacks said:
When you pay the CM developers a salary, then you can complain about their release schedules.
When they give you their work for free, it'll come out when they are ready for it to come out and you ought to be grateful.
If it doesn't come out at all, you've got nothing to complain about because you didn't do anything to help it come out.
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News flash, they are playing with the idea of charging for things in the future. They want to have their own marketplace and make money on the side for this and that. Check Kmobs g+ for more information. They're going to have to get used to quite a bit more if they want to be successful. Communication is key, and in this case, king. They better get used to a whole lot more the second they receive money for an app.
Also, no one is *****ing about not having cm9 yet, they are *****ing about the secrecy as to whether or not it is even still a possibility. I believe it was mentioned that many other OLDER phones have some version of cm9 already, yet we don't.
Also, they never said cm7 was over either, yet the consensus says that it is. We've heard zip officially about cm9 or cm7.
If this is how they run their future paid for apps business, I'll steer clear as will most. As for now, I'm sure they enjoy the free beers they get from all the donations. It would be a nice gesture of them to give an update about cm9.
Aside from Kmobs and company, it's refreshing to see a group of people working hard on an ics aosp. Once they get a few more things ironed out, I'm sure they will see a lot more donations coming their way.

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News flash, they are playing with the idea of charging for things in the future. They want to have their own marketplace and make money on the side for this and that. Check Kmobs g+ for more information. They're going to have to get used to quite a bit more if they want to be successful. Communication is key, and in this case, king. They better get used to a whole lot more the second they receive money for an app.
Also, no one is *****ing about not having cm9 yet, they are *****ing about the secrecy as to whether or not it is even still a possibility. I believe it was mentioned that many other OLDER phones have some version of cm9 already, yet we don't.
Also, they never said cm7 was over either, yet the consensus says that it is. We've heard zip officially about cm9 or cm7.
If this is how they run their future paid for apps business, I'll steer clear as will most. As for now, I'm sure they enjoy the free beers they get from all the donations. It would be a nice gesture of them to give an update about cm9.
Aside from Kmobs and company, it's refreshing to see a group of people working hard on an ics aosp. Once they get a few more things ironed out, I'm sure they will see a lot more donations coming their way.
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And I'm stoked about the Virtuous project.
I also understand these concerns of "you're not doing much to help" yet all I'm saying, is that I think a powerful and amazing device such as the Sensation should have more of an AOSP ROM variety. Most other devices have all kinds of AOSP ROMs.
I wish all of us, the Sensation community, would have worried more about AOSP ROMs other than our huge database of Sense based ROMs. Don't get me wrong, however, our Sense ROMs are absolutely amazing and they've helped my patience along with, I'm sure, many other user's patience as well.

This is what i have been thinking since i moved from mytouch 4g to sensation. I just don't know why but it looks like sensation users/developers is not interested in MIUI rom ( i only see 1 MIUI rom, and it not fully working, no update recently).

tritran18518 said:
This is what i have been thinking since i moved from mytouch 4g to sensation. I just don't know why but it looks like sensation users/developers is not interested in MIUI rom ( i only see 1 MIUI rom, and it not fully working, no update recently).
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Actually, the MIUI ROM in the dev section has been updated as of a few days ago. Also there is another highly functional MIUI ROM floating around but linking to it is forbidden. Hit up google if interested.

I think CyanogenMod has to be secretive to function.
You make a good point, I haven't seen hardly any AOSP roms for the sensation besides cyanogenmod. Although I think cyanogenmod 7 is ridiculously fast, and it's aosp, I quite like it...and cm9 beta is available for the sensation, but I agree with the fact that they don't announce ANYTHING...their last update on cm9 was like december 9th.
However, if you think of it from their perspective, can you possibly imagine releasing a buggy beta rom to THAT many people? I mean, the first rom a lot of people hear about is cyanogenmod, so all of the new people would flash that, and we all know how many new people can't read a set of clear instructions...
So, i think that it is almost required for them to keep it on the down low, to avoid mass confusion and complaining from every single user who can't read...It's like when you read the comments morons leave in the market...
anyways, sorry to rant. but Yeah, I think that they pretty much have to be more secretive, not all of their users are active forum members seeking to better the community and not be ignorant.

I've always been curious why A2DP bluetooth and the camera are always the hardest things to fix on most phones when compiling an AOSP ROM. I thought the ROM source would help with that, but I don't know exactly how it works.

DeezNotes said:
I've always been curious why A2DP bluetooth and the camera are always the hardest things to fix on most phones when compiling an AOSP ROM. I thought the ROM source would help with that, but I don't know exactly how it works.
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From what I understand, both of those things (including wifi hotspot) are kernel related. It's hard to dev's to fix those things without the proper kernel source.

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From what I understand, both of those things (including wifi hotspot) are kernel related. It's hard to dev's to fix those things without the proper kernel source.
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Ah that helped me understand a lot more.

just an fyi that xda isn't the only place to find roms...

[DISCUSSION] Developers not wanting other developers to use their work?

Hello, I'd like to preface this post by saying it's not my goal to accuse anyone of anything or start a flame war. I'm genuinely curious, and just want some open discussion.
I've been confused recently by an undercurrent of resentment or ill-will in the development section. Dev's threads getting closed or deleted for not getting permission to use this or that in their ROM, snide remarks about their abilities in the ROM release thread, long rambling posts about "haters," etc.
What's with this? From my perspective, it almost looks like developers think they should have the right to post edits/changes to HTC's software and framework without permission, but then turn around and say nobody else can build upon their edits without permission.
I firmly believe in giving credit where credit is due, but isn't it a bit counter-productive and even hypocritical to have threads taken down because another dev says "hey I didn't say you could use that!" Isn't XDA built upon the fact that HTC and other manufacturers turn a blind eye to us using and altering their work and releasing the altered product without permission? What am I missing here?
Just to reiterate one more time: I'm not trying to be accusatory, I just honestly want to understand the other side of this argument and why this behavior is being tolerated around here. Thanks!

I agree with you.....but
There has been a few ROMs posted here, that are completely 'kanged' from someone elses ROM.. Now i know the ROM is based of HTC so we all should do as we wish with it, But when someone has spent a lot of time ironing out bugs, adding tweaks and generally reducing the size and making the ROM better... And then someone steals that, changes the build.prop to change the ROMs name and release it as their own is totally out of order..
Now not to mention any names, but this has been done several times since the release of this phone, Its this sort of behaviour that puts serious Developers off the idea of making this phone better for us all..
Majority of the Devs here hardly get paid for what they do, I doubt they receive enough in donations to jack there job and do this full time.. So wouldnt you be annoyed if someone stole your work ? and every one was giving you credit and thanks and donations, Even though those credits / donations belong to someone else ?
We should SHARE in this community, The majority of us do, However we should NOT KANG other peoples work..
Im a big kanger, i kang 3-4 ROMs together, Using bits i like from each ROM and use it as my daily driver, However I would not dream of releasing it as it goes against everything i stand for..

Great discussion you have right here man.
If you don't ask permission for work you can't use the ROM/files etc.
What sucks is if you PM the developer they still say "No" so what is a win win in this situation? People like the word "kanging". It's not kanging at all because none of these files were made by you! All of these files were made by HTC and there Team! Don't claim anything !

So what about leedroids ROM ?? None of his tweaks came built into the HTC ROM, Hes made them himself.. Would you just take his work even if he said no ??
That my friend is KANGING.
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What sucks is if you PM the developer they still say "No" so what is a win win in this situation?
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Surely the win win situation is to put the effort in and make these mods / tweaks yourself ?? If a Dev says no, He doesnt mean, sneakily take it and rename it.

azzledazzle said:
So what about leedroids ROM ?? None of his tweaks came built into the HTC ROM, Hes made them himself.. Would you just take his work even if he said no ??
That my friend is KANGING.
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No I never said that.
I'm just saying. Don't call your work yours because how about if HTC said "Nobody can use our ROM's a base" then if we use it we get sued.
Half of the ROM's are just built of there base with tons of modified things and they still get stuff from other people about "kanging" even with permission etc.
If you don't ask permission for work you can't use the ROM/files etc.

Whats getting you hot and bothered ?? No one here has mentioned your name in any of this, Unless you have a guilty conscience ??
Surely HTC make the ROM and it clearly states 'Do not distribute outside of HTC blabla legal action' Yet every ROM here did so in theory we are all kangers..
But what about android in General ? AOSP / AOKP / MIUI.. all built from scratch.. The effort and hard work Devs put in to make these ROMs work, Surely taking their work and using it without permission is wrong ? wouldn't you agree ?

That's life but I think the people should relax a bit more.
Until Lee's ROM there were only Stock ROMs with some improvement's and tweaks by he_stheone64.
Lee (a great and maybe the best dev) now included any tweaks which available.
But remember that he "only ported" the things from Jan (j4n87 or so is his name).
In fact the whole developement story is just kanging.- Kanging the release's of the company..

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Whats getting you hot and bothered ?? No one here has mentioned your name in any of this, Unless you have a guilty conscience ??
Surely HTC make the ROM and it clearly states 'Do not distribute outside of HTC blabla legal action' Yet every ROM here did so in theory we are all kangers..
But what about android in General ? AOSP / AOKP / MIUI.. all built from scratch.. The effort and hard work Devs put in to make these ROMs work, Surely taking their work and using it without permission is wrong ? wouldn't you agree ?
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I'm not saying anything o-o.
I'll take that I'll take that that's a good thing and great way to say it! Even the HBoot says it yet people make S-OFF etc.
Agree 100% Actually Azzle! Right on

I don't think it is a matter of developers not wanting other developers to use there work- it is the fact that they didn't ask! Alot of work goes into making these Roms- it takes less than a min to send a pm- I know - i've done it

zylith said:
I don't think it is a matter of developers not wanting other developers to use there work- it is the fact that they didn't ask! Alot of work goes into making these Roms- it takes less than a min to send a pm- I know - i've done it
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Love it
irony?
Anyway, hope this thread won't get to a ***** fight, I won't post in this one anymore..

zylith said:
I don't think it is a matter of developers not wanting other developers to use there work- it is the fact that they didn't ask! Alot of work goes into making these Roms- it takes less than a min to send a pm- I know - i've done it
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Agreed. We're all a huge team/community just making our own ROMs and putting our personal touches to them. It's not about doing something and achieving something, and not wanting to share. Getting permission to use is all that's really required.
No need to fight over this stuff guys....it's just a mistake that can be fixed. No biggie. Just follow the proper procedures and avoid unnecessary run-ins like this. Let's focus on giving the community what they want....and that's options!!!

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Agreed. We're all a huge team/community just making our own ROMs and putting our personal touches to them. It's not about doing something and achieving something, and not wanting to share. Getting permission to use is all that's really required.
No need to fight over this stuff guys....it's just a mistake that can be fixed. No biggie. Just follow the proper procedures and avoid unnecessary run-ins like this. Let's focus on giving the community what they want....and that's options!!!
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well put.

Not a dev, but been around awhile
On the HTC side--my impression is they don't mind these kangs, even back to the N1. Hence they allow unlocking. They monitor these forums and look for the improvements by the devs to help them also.
Now, that is just my understanding from xda posts I have read going back 2 years on this topic, I may be wrong--
Otherwise, 100% support for asking first and giving credit to original devs--
Ken

rugmankc said:
Not a dev, but been around awhile
On the HTC side--my impression is they don't mind these kangs, even back to the N1. Hence they allow unlocking. They monitor these forums and look for the improvements by the devs to help them also.
Now, that is just my understanding from xda posts I have read going back 2 years on this topic, I may be wrong--
Otherwise, 100% support for asking first and giving credit to original devs--
Ken
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Exactly.
Sent from ICS device!

Thanks for the replies. It makes sense to ask permission first before using others' work- only common courtesy I appreciate the different thoughts on this. Helps to understand where this stuff is coming from. Hopefully this doesn't become a downward spiral of devs having ill-will towards each other and refusing to work together.
Also, I never said HTC was against this community or what it does- only that it seemed hypocritical from some devs to take their work, alter it, and then actively try to stop others from building upon that.

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Thanks for the replies. It makes sense to ask permission first before using others' work- only common courtesy I appreciate the different thoughts on this. Helps to understand where this stuff is coming from. Hopefully this doesn't become a downward spiral of devs having ill-will towards each other and refusing to work together.
Also, I never said HTC was against this community or what it does- only that it seemed hypocritical from some devs to take their work, alter it, and then actively try to stop others from building upon that.
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I would hope this brings us closer together- I am new to the dev world- but have been around xda for years. I have no ill will towards ANYONE. Hell people make mistakes- I make mistakes- fix the problem - then move on. We are here for each-other.

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with relation to Htc themselves..im still in shock they havent implemented some of the modifications that xda or devs in general have come up with
htc need to be hiring some of the devs..if only to get rid of the nasty status bar they insist on keeping..in some ways i think they are doing it on purpose just to grate people!
look at the one s source for example..many people have complained and its still not released lol..i think they are just laughing at us

Those are not devs, they are just "devs" if you know what I mean

This is my view, Android is open source right? I mean I agree 100% Give credit where it is due but the thing is, we don't give credit to HTC for the rom base every time. It seems like when a system UI for example is modified, i don't see the issue that if you give them credit why do you have to ask them? Did we ask HTC if we can Mod their system UI? I mean its not like it was ours in the first place. It seems all over rated. If you say Hey thanks John Doe for the Blah blah blah then it shouldn't be an issue. That is one thing that can really put a damper on Development.
Look at the situation with people getting mad at HTC for having the HTC Evita (ATT One X) Having a locked bootloader! some of the devs and people here think they are entitled to these things.
Another Example, The HTC Ruby (Amaze 4G) S-off situation. HTC gives them an unlocked bootloader and they Demand S-off from them. I mean where does they hypocrisy end.
Basically, I believe that if dev's are going to request people to ask them first. I want the Dev's to call up htc before they make a rom, in addition to putting "Huge thanks to HTC for the rom base!" In their threads. Its open source, if they want it closed source then I advise the call apple and develop for them.

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Whats getting you hot and bothered ?? No one here has mentioned your name in any of this, Unless you have a guilty conscience ??
Surely HTC make the ROM and it clearly states 'Do not distribute outside of HTC blabla legal action' Yet every ROM here did so in theory we are all kangers..
But what about android in General ? AOSP / AOKP / MIUI.. all built from scratch.. The effort and hard work Devs put in to make these ROMs work, Surely taking their work and using it without permission is wrong ? wouldn't you agree ?
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His response doesn't sound like he's hot or bothered at all. Looks like you're the one catching feelings
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[Q] Question about maintaining ROMs

I think we all realize that making these ROMs is just a hobby for most, but doesn't anyone want to make a fully stable one? From what I've seen since this phone rolled out, is that someone will make a ROM, update it a few times, and then it's just dust in the wind. Also the only 100% stable ROM is the stock ICS ROM; no? My point is not to criticize anyone for their hard work,but to rather ask the question; what is the point of tinkering with a ROM and never getting it to 100% before moving onto the next one? I know everyone is very appreciative of what goes on in this community, me included. I was just wondering if someone could shed some light on this question for me.
Also, just my two cents; It would be nice for someone to maintain a custom ICS ROM just so there can be an up to date ROM with nice features and wifi calling. =)

Instead of giving your 2 cents, do it yourself. What's your definition of stable. I've been on PAC since it's come out and have zero complaints. Your want stable? Don't root, don't flash, don't modify. There, perfectly stable. Saying "my point is not to criticize" doesn't absolve you from being completely ungrateful for the hard work it takes to do this. Do it yourself. XDA is a development forum, not completely 100 percent stable forum. Don't like it? Go get an iPhone.
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Most of the roms are stable. You can find things to ***** about on any rom, including stock.
When it comes to something not getting fixed it can come down to the dev not enough time, or its not worth the effort, or they moved on to a different device. I mean is it really worth fixing a bug that 2 people are experiencing if it is going to take a few weeks away from your family, I don't think so. And that is about how solid 95% of the roms are. Give some props.
There are probably 25 ROMs over 4 revisions of android... Its our job as USERS to spend the time and effort to find one we like, and that suits us. If a ROM has a bug that is detrimental to the use you need, look at another one. So try not to criticize devs when you haven't done your due diligence as a user.

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I think we all realize that making these ROMs is just a hobby for most, but doesn't anyone want to make a fully stable one? From what I've seen since this phone rolled out, is that someone will make a ROM, update it a few times, and then it's just dust in the wind. Also the only 100% stable ROM is the stock ICS ROM; no? My point is not to criticize anyone for their hard work,but to rather ask the question; what is the point of tinkering with a ROM and never getting it to 100% before moving onto the next one? I know everyone is very appreciative of what goes on in this community, me included. I was just wondering if someone could shed some light on this question for me.
Also, just my two cents; It would be nice for someone to maintain a custom ICS ROM just so there can be an up to date ROM with nice features and wifi calling. =)
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Fully stable is damn near impossible, man. There is sooo much involved in coding these ROMs it's literally staggering. These devs aren't software developers (not most of them) but just regular guys, working regular jobs like you and me. If you want completely stable best to stay stock rooted (so you can drop all that bloatware bull****) Most of these developers have day jobs that don't involve android and do this in their spare time, for us. To be frank, man, you did come across EXTREMELY critical, and the folks around here don't take kindly to that (just breath @njstein) What's the saying? Beggars can't be choosers? My point, if you want to run 4.3 your're gonna have to take the good with the bad, just suck it up and deal with the FEW bugs. I've been on 4.3 for a couple months now with no serious issues.. Just a few bugs. And for future reference, keep this kind of thing to yourself

I had no intention a dragging this into what it has become. Obviously no one understands the point I was making or the question I was asking. I'm not going to further this conversation anymore.

I don't understand why you are making a statement in general to all ROMs. The reason why the older ROMs are unsupported is because there is no reason to waste time updating them as the guy above explained. That's why you will never see halo on ICS. Now, 4.3 roms are supported at the moment. If you like an iPhone then congratulations.
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Because if every dev stayed on ICS we'd have loads of folks asking if 'such and such device' will ever get a jb or kk rom. Seriously re-read the posts about how difficult it is to code. Your post is akin to asking someone to rebuild a car engine multiple times because every 5000 miles the thing misfires. Why did it misfire? Was it a plug/wire? Something in the valves/cylinder? Electrical? Fuel delivery? How many hours do you expect someone to waste tracking and rebuilding (sometimes rebuilding everything) for every bug in a rom- even the bugs properly reported with a log?
And I've yet to see any device from Sammy to HTC to lg or any device at all that's 100% stable - even on stock. And that's from companies that have software development teams.
And don't listen to those folks about getting an iPhone- that platform isn't 100% stable or perfect either. What you are looking for is a dumbphone.
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Yup.... Why keep rebuilding that 4 banger (ICS) when with the same amount of work you can drop in a V6 (jb 4.1). And the same when a V8 (jb 4.3) is available to drop in. Then the 4 and the 6 get scrapped for some extra beer money, and you tinker with the latest and greatest again.

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Haven't been on in awhile and I see an argument going on? C'mon guys. Okay, about maintaining ROMs, when maintaining there are nightly's based off the latest changes. The more changes lead to more better features (and maybe some bugs). Not all are stable. In fact, there is no such thing as a "fully stable" ROM. Even stock from Samsung isn't stable. And please, don't argue on here. Take it to PM or some other way to communicate. Not on here on a public thread. May I include, that I have an iPhone . Don't hate because the OS is not controllable. Its a nice OS and lots of great apps. But Android is specifacally better in my opinion. Don't hate me for that lol. Also, if you'd like to learn on how to dirty port a ROM just google it and let's see if you can make a "stable" ROM. Move on everyone. lol
Edit: I don't want the mods to come on here and waste their time. Keep it clean next time

xWolf13 said:
Haven't been on in awhile and I see an argument going on? C'mon guys. Okay, about maintaining ROMs, when maintaining there are nightly's based off the latest changes. The more changes lead to more better features (and maybe some bugs). Not all are stable. In fact, there is no such thing as a "fully stable" ROM. Even stock from Samsung isn't stable. And please, don't argue on here. Take it to PM or some other way to communicate. Not on here on a public thread. May I include, that I have an iPhone . Don't hate because the OS is not controllable. Its a nice OS and lots of great apps. But Android is specifacally better in my opinion. Don't hate me for that lol. Also, if you'd like to learn on how to dirty port a ROM just google it and let's see if you can make a "stable" ROM. Move on everyone. lol
Edit: I don't want the mods to come on here and waste their time. Keep it clean next time
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You're right. It's important to remember that no one here is under ANY obligation to share anything - roms, root, recoveries, mods, etc - with anyone. So lets just appreciate what we have. :thumbup:
Let's also get a mod to close this thread, nothing more good can come of it.

This trollfest has gone on long enough. The sheer amount of disrespect flying around astounds me. Read the rules folks.
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