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Hi guys,
About 3 weeks ago I noticed that in certain light, I could see a grid of dots, starting from 5mm from each side of the screen. These dots were arranged in some a regular pattern, so I assummed it was screen sensors, that I had not see before.
However last week, I noticed this same area was now becoming strangely colored. Its difficult to explain, but viewing the screen at an angle or in certain light, that area of the screen looks like the screens plama is leaking. Its similar to if you put a drop of clear oil between the screen protector and the screen itself. This is definatly occuring on the internal part of the screen. So im going to call up HTC this week, and if they request me to send it back, do I need to un-hard-spl the phone? If so how do I do this?
Thanks
I had similar issue with my old Himalaya in the past. It seems like an oil spot between surfaces under specific angle. Now I have another problem with screen on my Rafi-Some blue 'clouds' visible all the time after accident with my car(I lost my phone with case on the parking place and someone-maybe me also drove very closely around it,so the device is just a little bit damaged,but not so much).
I have same problem on my Touch Pro, but my seller say to me this fabrication problem...not important problem...but its very distrubity
hellios said:
Hi guys,
About 3 weeks ago I noticed that in certain light, I could see a grid of dots, starting from 5mm from each side of the screen. These dots were arranged in some a regular pattern, so I assummed it was screen sensors, that I had not see before.
However last week, I noticed this same area was now becoming strangely colored. Its difficult to explain, but viewing the screen at an angle or in certain light, that area of the screen looks like the screens plama is leaking. Its similar to if you put a drop of clear oil between the screen protector and the screen itself. This is definatly occuring on the internal part of the screen. So im going to call up HTC this week, and if they request me to send it back, do I need to un-hard-spl the phone? If so how do I do this?
Thanks
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I faced this problem in Touch dual before, and the screen was replaced in warranty.
now i've the same in my TP, but this time it clearly decreased the touch screen sensitivity...
i'd say go for replacement.
I encountered the newton's ring problem-term given to me by a HTC staff. I got the handset from O2 but they seemed clueless about this. The problem is that it disappears and then re-appears randomly. Third time I have seen it. I have also encountered the 'oil spill' effect under specific lighting. I can't see it anymore though.
Will drop into an O2 shop asap.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=447891
my Fuze has this oil spill effect too.. going to try to put it in a bag of desiccant overnight to see if its just moisture
This is the second fuze ive owned... and this is also the second time this has happened. In the middle of the screen there is a small block of like a rainbow of colors... but you can only see it in certain light...
Has anyone else ever come across this?
icewhitenewyear said:
This is the second fuze ive owned... and this is also the second time this has happened. In the middle of the screen there is a small block of like a rainbow of colors... but you can only see it in certain light...
Has anyone else ever come across this?
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Mine too.. But i have a screen protector on it so I figured maybe its the screen protector? never really check it without the screen protection.
Yes.
My first fuze did this after a few days, its an exact square with sort of a frame, I was thinking it was condensation, but my phone has been dry always....
I thought it was weird that it was square shaped and a almost perfect square.
Anyone know what this is?
Yep...nothing unusual for raph unfortunatelly...my old post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2934571#post2934571
BTW, this is well known issue by HTC so replacement is in most cases done free of charge as a part of warranty. Eventhough I've heard that in some cases in UK, HTC was demanding some kind of payment for replacement.
Anyway, this cannot be fixed in any other way but replacing the screen....afaik
I was told that it means that the screen under the digitizer is broken. Most likely from pressure on the middle of the screen.
rccola159 said:
I was told that it means that the screen under the digitizer is broken. Most likely from pressure on the middle of the screen.
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Oh man, mine just expanded Can I know what did you guys do?
Pressure between flat wires, conductive tapes and backside of LCD screen causes the problem. You should take apart your Raphael to see the back of LCD. There is a very thing black tape around the display. Check it for any kinf of damage. If there is no sign of penetration, make the same thin tape from any kind of office tape and place it over dark one. I hope this can help you.
Be a HTC Indiana Jones, take the danger and DIY!
i was just about to start a post about this. the middle of my screern (75% of the screen) has these rainbow swirls and they form a perfect rectangle. you can also see a grid of dots. once i noticed this square i started havin problems where its as if someone is pressing the touchscren just on top right corner of this rectangle. so i cant go through menus and it will randomly go away. it also happens on other random locations. can someone explain what i should do?
Mine just did the same thing. The phone seems to work normally. I called and I am sending it in for warranty repair. Is there any way to prevent this from happening in the future? If they replace the screen, do they have some process in place to prevent the same issue? I really love this phone!
Oh, and now my iPhone loving friends are all saying, "You shoulda got an iPhone!" I dont want a crappy iPhone, I just want a good screen! This is my second phone already.....I have never dropped or abused it in any way.... I really wish they used better quality screens. i can do tons more stuff with my phone that my "iPhone friends" cannot....
UPDATE: to anyone who gets this problem. I finally got around to calling ATT and they say its not a known problem so its not covered within warrenty. They want 500 to fix it.... Then I called HTC and they said this is whats known as a Newton ring and its due to pressure applied to the screen so they wont fix it under warrenty. Now they are asking for 200 for it to be fixed. Not worth the fix if u ask me. Thier rep was pretty shocked it was on a Fuze and said hes seen this before and they never fix it under warrenty so its not worth sending it in unless im prepared for the bill.
I have this weird issue i have only just noticed. In the middle of my screen, there is almost a perfect rectange of slightly discoloured, rainbowy effect on the screen. It is right in the centre of the screen, and goes to aout 1cm from the edge the whole way round.
Its like the digitizer has detached or pushed up against the screen. I cant remember doing anything to it. And if i run my finger over it, the rainbow effect moves/follows my finger then snaps back to the rectangle (kind of like when you have a bubble under a screen protector).
Also the area under this spot is slightly less sensitive and seems to be giving the odd random input.
Do you rekon this would be covered under warranty? I cant remember doing anything to the screen, and the fact is so pefectly placed in the middle of the screen.
Hey,
Mine does this as well... It's a perfect rectangle, and only visible in strong (especially flourescent) light. Can't notice any differences in input though. Interested to see what people think, and if it's a common problem. Can't remember any incident that could have led to this, I take care of my phone.
In case it helps, it's a UK Vodafone Touch Pro, with the latest HTC WWE ROM.
I have had a similair effect but not a perfect rectangle. somewhere mid screen slightly to the right I had a bubble of rainbow colour. I actually thought it was underneath the screenprotector so i bought a new one to change it. To my surprise the bubble was still there but internally.
I used to have my phone with the protective leather thingy in my jeans. I decided to take it out for a while. And what do you know. after a day the bubble dissapeared. I then put it back in my jeans and checked every hour. The bubble came back. So i'm guessing pressure on the glass internally or something.
Nowadays I dont carry it around in my tight jeans anymore. I use the protective leather that came with it and put it in my jacket pocket instead.
Edit: It has all the attributes xternal listed. The bubble that is.. less responsive random input rainbow following finger. In my case it has been due to pressure on the screen from my tight jeans. Yours might be something else though...
thanks for replies guys, sounds identical to what i have. i thought it was screen protector too, took it off to clean and noticed it was below. wasted blue, i was almost about to edit my post to include exactly what you said about flourescent light.
maybe it has happened from being in my tight jeans, strange that wasted blue and i have the same sized area though.
i have a fuze.
Mine is the Htc Touch Pro from HI, KPN Netherlands.
Xternal i would suggest you don't keep your phone in your jeans for a while and see if the bubble dissapears. Might take a few days at first. just put it in your jacket or something. If it dissapears you know what it is. I don't think this will fall under warranty. if it sticks regardless of pressure you might get warranty...
Oeh i just remember. If the backlight is out you will see a blacker than black dot on the screen where the bubble is supposed to be. if the light goes on its rainbowy fluorecent.
Thanks King, i have taken the protector off and will keep it out of my pocket. The pattern is the same if the backlight is on or off. Id post a photo, but its really hard to get it to show up in a photo.
Im of the opinion now that as you say, the digitizer is pushed against the screen, not detached. Hopefully it pops back
Hey guys.. same issue for a lot of people
It is something like this:
http://contactus.htc.com/Download.aspx?TicketID=396548&ReplyID=2&FileName=IMGP6088.jpg
Look at what HTC told me:
New Response From [ Cathy (Malaysia Support (Tech)) ]
Dear xxxx,
We regret to inform you that based on our warranty policy, we can not provide you the free repair on this issue.
If the touch window having some rainbow mark, it is caused by extra force enter to the touch window and it is under user misused. Thus, there is no Warranty Provided.
Thanks.
Best regards.
HTC
After some rants:
Thank you for contacting HTC. With reference to your query, we understand you are upset for this issue. But according to the HTC warranty policy, the LCD is not covered by warranty. Please check the attachment for HTC warranty policy. For the "newton rings" issue, we recommend you send it to service center to replace the LCD. Thanks.
HTC
Some consolidation of threads:
//forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439410 - Diamond Screen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475294 - TP and HD screen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=504899 - Sprint
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2934571#post2934571 - TP
Thanks for the help guys, I'll try keeping it out of my jeans pocket for a while. Sounds like this "newton ring" problem in the other therads though. I'd tried replacing the screen protector as well before, but no joy there. Might need to try to get a replacement (took out insurance on it), but guess I'd need to flash back to the carrier ROM.
Anybody know how good Vodafone UK's insurance is about newton rings?
Just read kingpinda's post again, when my backlight is off I can still see the rings, so doesn't sound like the same problem. I'll still try it though, thanks.
So yesterday I went out to dinner, grabbed my trusty TP2 and put it in my pocket (uncracked), reached out location and pulled it out (cracked). I know there was no impact between the two locations as I simply sat in a car the whole way.
Anyone else have something similar? Glad I have insurance, that's for sure.
Is it possible you had the screen facing out in your pocket? What I mean by that is when I keep mine in my pocket I make sure the screen is against my leg and not facing forward.. Either way, good thing indeed that you have insurance..
it is, but its a coat pocket. I Just couldn't believe it happened as I've had a touch screen phone for the last...3 or 4 years without issue.
if you have made fun of someone that has a case on there hip that is why it happend to you if not then its bad luck.
do you really believe that crack could appear after no physical impact?
I've seen crazier things happen. My one thought was that its quite cold here right now. Either way, I definitely didn't have any impact that I felt, which shouldn't be enough to crack a screen like this did. I just expect more out of HTC I guess.
A screen protector like invisible shield would help i have it on mine...only thing i hear is that when used in ur pocket it can pick up a lot of lint but so far mine hasn't had that problem. any little bit of dust i see on it i just rub it off
I've got ghost armor, when they get back in stock and i claim my insurance i'm going to start using a slip in case.
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So yesterday I went out to dinner, grabbed my trusty TP2 and put it in my pocket (uncracked), reached out location and pulled it out (cracked). I know there was no impact between the two locations as I simply sat in a car the whole way.
Anyone else have something similar? Glad I have insurance, that's for sure.
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Yep. A couple of days ago I got into a car, the TP2 in my pocket (which was hanging...unzipped jacket) closed the door and crack! Lovely cracks spread across the screen of my beloved and not even 30-day-old TP2.
I should have known better, The same thing happened to one of my Moguls earlier this year. The weird thing is, the TP2 still works perfectly. I tried to get a return authorization, but Sprint referred me Assurion, which means $100 deductible. The only good thing about it is that the TP2 is so new, they don't have any refurbs to send out, so I'm getting a new one, with one year warranty. From now on, cases only... no pockets!
Not sure what happened in your case,
A: My assurion deductable was $39... I could have sworn it was $89.
B: I need to find a good stiff slide in vertical case that I can just slide the phone into and out of in my pocket.
C: Assurion says they'll get my phone to me Tuesday (i.e. out Monday).... either they're full of cow chips or they purchased a stock just in case since Verizon is apparently trickling in shipments.
what was the temperature outside ?
if it was decently cold, and your phone was cold as well, cold things always crack easier, especially with a screen this big. smaller the screen, harder it is to break.
haha, well it was cold for this time of year. nothing terrible. about 20 degrees F. I know the size matters, I just couldn't believe it cracked so easily so I was really just fishing to see if its a possible problem. My replacement will be here today and i've been trying to find a good STIFF slide in vertical case I can just keep in my pocket.
I live in Canada and on occasion it gets down to -25 degress c here (-13F)
and I have left many cellphones out in the cold, with no ill effects (although screen response can slow down dramatically while it's cold)
the only thing that would crack it is a dramatic change in temp. over a short period of time, like 80 to -5 and I don't even know about that.
a screen skin is NOT going to prevent cracking, only scratches, the LCD glass is on the inside of the device and a think film doesn't add anything to stability.
my guess is it got flexed are banged in the wrong spot. possibly a few days earlier which weakened it and then lightly banged again when you put it in your pocket...
of course a defect in the internal glass is possible, when you get in to mass production of a product there are bound to be some defects.
mine on the other hand has traveled 10 feet across from say 4 feet up and hit pavement with no more than a 1mmx3mm indent on a corner.
it's in general a well build device (but boy was I sick when that first happened)
My advice, if your insurance costs money.. bring it in with a little story.
"I was sitting at a table and typing away I closed the keyboard, and I couldn't believe it a crack appeared across the screen"
As long as it is a solid crack across the screen with no obvious point of impact, I am pretty sure you will get away with it.. even with out insurance.
Football, Telus here in Canada has a thin hard plastic case for 15 canadian.
it will even prevent your screen from getting scratched. and makes that annoyingly placed "power"/screen blank button harder to push. I am pretty sure all the cdma devices are the same, but I don't know 100% I ordered a verison screen protector, and it fits. but the tolerances aren't as high for that
I had the same thing happen to me just a week ago. Slid it into my pocket and not even three minutes later, pulled it out to use the phone and had fresh cracks spreading across the screen. The phone did not come into contact with anything... Still a mystery to me as to how it happened!!
BTW... If you were looking at the phone in the upright position, the screen cracking started from the left middle of the screen and made it's way across to the bottom right corner. Just wondering if anyone else has had the same pattern.
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I live in Canada and on occasion it gets down to -25 degress c here (-13F)
and I have left many cellphones out in the cold, with no ill effects (although screen response can slow down dramatically while it's cold)
the only thing that would crack it is a dramatic change in temp. over a short period of time, like 80 to -5 and I don't even know about that.
a screen skin is NOT going to prevent cracking, only scratches, the LCD glass is on the inside of the device and a think film doesn't add anything to stability.
my guess is it got flexed are banged in the wrong spot. possibly a few days earlier which weakened it and then lightly banged again when you put it in your pocket...
of course a defect in the internal glass is possible, when you get in to mass production of a product there are bound to be some defects.
mine on the other hand has traveled 10 feet across from say 4 feet up and hit pavement with no more than a 1mmx3mm indent on a corner.
it's in general a well build device (but boy was I sick when that first happened)
My advice, if your insurance costs money.. bring it in with a little story.
"I was sitting at a table and typing away I closed the keyboard, and I couldn't believe it a crack appeared across the screen"
As long as it is a solid crack across the screen with no obvious point of impact, I am pretty sure you will get away with it.. even with out insurance.
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To keep it short, I know, I know, I know, and I know. lol. (Just for an interesting note, being in South Dakota for College I've had it around that cold without a windchill... walking to class and having your eyelashes freeze in a block sucks.)
I was more or less just trying to come up with the most plausible excuse even though I was sure (99.999%) it wasn't the cold. It just completely blew me away that I pulled it out and there was cracks across the screen because at the point I hadn't even dropped the phone and as previously mentioned I wasn't leaning or really touching anything while riding in the car.
Also, generally its not actually glass that's on resistive touchscreen's as far as I know. I wasn't trying to insinuate that the screen skin would help stability at all (actually stiffness... don't get my started about this I've been dealing with stiffness matrices WAY to much lately in class).
I agree in general it seems quite well built, and agree if my case is isolated but I was wanting to make sure it was. A point of note is that the crack originated on the far right side and propogated in a couple of lines across the screen. Really my guess is that the method they use to connect the "glass" (a plastic..?) produces some residual stresses around the edges of the material.
Finally, where do you get the case you have? I really just want a slip case as I mentioned that is pretty stiff so that anything that may possible break the screen gets spread out over the area of the case. I am trying to stay away from a snap on hard case as I find them bulky, get your device dirty, and really don't protect what I want to protect.
Thanks for your input.
wbchristmas said:
I had the same thing happen to me just a week ago. Slid it into my pocket and not even three minutes later, pulled it out to use the phone and had fresh cracks spreading across the screen. The phone did not come into contact with anything... Still a mystery to me as to how it happened!!
BTW... If you were looking at the phone in the upright position, the screen cracking started from the left middle of the screen and made it's way across to the bottom right corner. Just wondering if anyone else has had the same pattern.
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mine cracked middle right and propagated in a crack more or less horizontally across the device and another at about a 45 degree angle towards the bottom of the screen. The instances sound similar just reversed.
The reason your screen cracked was most likely it pressed up against the seatbelt buckle. I have had this happen a couple of times. When driving now I ALWAYS take my phone out of my pocket or remove the case from my belt. As I said, a couple times I left it there and when I buckled up, the buckle of the seatbelt was pressed against my right hip. A little bit of pressure, like from stopping the car, is enough to crack the glass.
So word to the wise, do NOT leave your phone in your pocket or on your belt when you get into a car. Or if you do, put it on the side of your body that is facing away from the seat belt buckle.
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The reason your screen cracked was most likely it pressed up against the seatbelt buckle. I have had this happen a couple of times. When driving now I ALWAYS take my phone out of my pocket or remove the case from my belt. As I said, a couple times I left it there and when I buckled up, the buckle of the seatbelt was pressed against my right hip. A little bit of pressure, like from stopping the car, is enough to crack the glass.
So word to the wise, do NOT leave your phone in your pocket or on your belt when you get into a car. Or if you do, put it on the side of your body that is facing away from the seat belt buckle.
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Haha, I already do this. Actually, I was in the passenger seat and the phone was in the right pocket of my fleece jacket. I'm just the jacked it what damned me because normally when I put it in my pants I have the screen facing my leg.
Is this something that asurion will cover?
Woke up this morning, check texts on my G which works fine, pocket it (front left pocket, screen facing my leg, nothing else in there, loose fitting pants), go to work, check it about an hour later, can't undo my screen lock, touch screen is acting all wonky, I'm not even touching it and I keep seeing wrong input over and over... so I turn it off and back on, but I still can't use the touch controls on the left part of the screen (the left and center row of the lock screen doesn't respond, the right most one does, and the very bottom emergency calls does).
So I carefully inspect my phone, there is not a single mark on the screen, bezel, back-plate... the phone is in pristine condition, I take good care of my electronics (or so I thought). I start checking the screen against a light at various angles and on the bottom, slightly under the lock screen dots, I see a very thin line under the glass but above the screen, starting at one edge and going about halfway across. Like the touch sensor is partly cracked, but nothing else is?
So I was wondering, does this count as physical damage? I don't see how it could. As I said, the phone is pristine and I can't imagine how I could have damaged the touch sensor without leaving a mark on the glass, bezel or screen.
But I'm still worried that Futuretel, which is where the Motorola people are telling me to send the phone will call it physical damage and have me fork over 150$ for a repair I could do myself for 50~60.
And I would do it, had I actually broken my phone... But I didn't, so I don't feel I should pay for this at all.