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low HSDPA speed ? which radio to use ?

Hi,
I have my treo 750 updated to wm6.1 and with showing H enagled connection is max about 440kbit... not higher but with the same sim and nokia 6120 with hsdpa i Have about 900kbit... its everything not only one one location... i tried many radios...with some its worse... not better... which to use please ?
thx

not 1.54.30.10

tmknight said:
not 1.54.30.10
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Reason? I'm using 1.54.01.00 and I lose service at least twice a day. I have to turn the phone off and back on just for it to find signal again...so annoying...

tmknight said:
not 1.54.30.10
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You know, it would be nice if just ONCE, instead of this stock response you give everyone who asks about a radio, you actually offered up some information that someone could use. For example, not everyone knows that if you use 1.54.30.10 you are stuck with it ... granted, it's mainly because not everyone reads the forums, but if you are going to bother responding, then at least give the newbs somthing to go on.
I am having radio problems myself since I upgraded to the cooked full version of WM6.1 and am also looking for the best solution.
I am using 1.54.01 now too, and my radio reception in Ohio with AT&T is worse than the WM6 2.25 AT&T version, and battery life is worse too. I am going to try to downgrade to 1.47.02 which was listed on the site with the WM6.1 to see if it works better.

Here's an update ...
1.47.02 was also a bust for me. I didn't test battery life, but the reception was bad enough I decided to try something else.
I finally was able to figure out that the radio that comes with AT&T's WM6 Desktop Updater is 1.54.27.00. I have decided to go back to that radio which was working well when I was on WM6.
Sorry, but I don't know how to extract a radio ROM, and I haven't been able to find it anywhere separately, so I had to go the long way to get back to it. There is probably an easier way to do this, but I'm a newb on flashing, so this is what I had to do:
1) Hard SPL the Treo. Note, when I did this to mine it did not go through step 3, so it did not re-flash the radio, and it kept the SPL version on the device. This is why I went looking for a new radio.
2) Revert to WM6 using the SD card update method. Get it here.
3) Install the WM6.1 ROM using the SD card update method. Get it here.
This radio has given me the best results for AT&T in central Ohio as far as radio stability and signal strength. YMMV, but I'm going to stick with it until something better comes along.
If anyone has the skills to extract this radio (1.54.27.00) from the main ROM, it might be of help to others.

startngate said:
Here's an update ...
1.47.02 was also a bust for me. I didn't test battery life, but the reception was bad enough I decided to try something else.
I finally was able to figure out that the radio that comes with AT&T's WM6 Desktop Updater is 1.54.27.00. I have decided to go back to that radio which was working well when I was on WM6.
Sorry, but I don't know how to extract a radio ROM, and I haven't been able to find it anywhere separately, so I had to go the long way to get back to it. There is probably an easier way to do this, but I'm a newb on flashing, so this is what I had to do:
1) Hard SPL the Treo. Note, when I did this to mine it did not go through step 3, so it did not re-flash the radio, and it kept the SPL version on the device. This is why I went looking for a new radio.
2) Revert to WM6 using the SD card update method. Get it here.
3) Install the WM6.1 ROM using the SD card update method. Get it here.
This radio has given me the best results for AT&T in central Ohio as far as radio stability and signal strength. YMMV, but I'm going to stick with it until something better comes along.
If anyone has the skills to extract this radio (1.54.27.00) from the main ROM, it might be of help to others.
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A lot of members has the skill and can extract the radio fine. The problem is, they now got themselves a kaiser, some got polaris and others even got a Diamond to play with and as I speak, they're now busy playing with their new toys so, I don't think they will bother extracting the radio 1.27 from AT&T just as much as no one even bothered to help those who are stuck with radio 1.54xxx.

How do I tell what radio version I am using?
When I go to the about in the settings. it does not say anything about radio. it says
Software version:
TREO750-2.18-VFE
Hardware version:
A
.....
Firmware version:
1.47.02.000
CC-Cap:
CFG-AU-009
does this mean 1.47.02.000 this the radio version?

dennis.l said:
How do I tell what radio version I am using?
When I go to the about in the settings. it does not say anything about radio. it says
Software version:
TREO750-2.18-VFE
Hardware version:
A
.....
Firmware version:
1.47.02.000
CC-Cap:
CFG-AU-009
does this mean 1.47.02.000 this the radio version?
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Yes it does.

http://rapidshare.com/files/70738515/Treo750Radio1.47.02.zip

Question: How to completely wipe a Tilt?

No, not a ROM flash: I want to completely erase every last piece of data in my Tilt and install the SPL, OS, and radio from scratch.
As far as I can tell, FrankenKaiser will do that, but it (in theory) only works with the radio from hell... which I have, albeit the "_patched" version...
I am trying to work from a clean slate, rather than flash another ROM... trying to clear up a problem that I think can only be fixed by such a drastic move... and of all the posts I've seen, (unless I'm retarded - quite possible) none has addressed such a move. Is FrankenKaiser the solution? If so, do I need to put the radio from hell on first? If it's not the solution, what is? Or is there one at all?
Thank you

drunkbastard said:
No, not a ROM flash: I want to completely erase every last piece of data in my Tilt and install the SPL, OS, and radio from scratch.
As far as I can tell, FrankenKaiser will do that, but it (in theory) only works with the radio from hell... which I have, albeit the "_patched" version...
I am trying to work from a clean slate, rather than flash another ROM... trying to clear up a problem that I think can only be fixed by such a drastic move... and of all the posts I've seen, (unless I'm retarded - quite possible) none has addressed such a move. Is FrankenKaiser the solution? If so, do I need to put the radio from hell on first? If it's not the solution, what is? Or is there one at all?
Thank you
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This is possible, but why?
After you wipe your phone you will be re-flashing the ROM / Radio and SPL anyway.
If you do do this, make sure you read and understand the process (and what the pre-requisites are first).
Ta
Dave

Install Sleuth's V_3.0 WM6.1. I have moddified a version with Jocky to work with that OEMSBL version.
I will PM you with a link for the moddified FrankenKaiser, hey that sounds familiar, ohh yeah, Jocky let me name it!
HOWEVER, I think I'd try a few other things first. Like check the Radio Protocol. On boot does the red protocol version end in H or W? W is not for US & can create issues with 3G. Also, you can try using MTTY with my G3SPL MFG_SPL to fomat a few thing & to flush out Nand blocks. Many things to try before venturing to FK. I know you PM'd me, but I've been a wee bit busy, I'll make a little time if I can help though. Try me on MSN/Live Messenger [email protected] (Even if it says "Offline" give it a try, I may just be lurking)

Protocol ends in H, currently using the Neon 1.58.25.17 radio, I have tried virtually every other 6.1 radio in existence, and about a dozen different ROMs, including the stock AT&T and letting the bloatware install just for poops and giggles. But not the one that you suggested GS, what the hell, one more ROM flash ain't gonna hurt...
I am reticent to think it's a hardware issue because the G and H icons do appear, I just can't get a connection, and it all happened while using the GPS (LiveSearch and HTC GPS Tool specifically). If it was hardware related I would imagine that I wouldn't get the icons, it would just show no service.
Also, the reason I wanted to do a complete whitewash is because, even when installing a new ROM, I have noticed that certain traces and settings remain from days gone by (certain registry settings, POP3 accounts, etc), which I find odd.
I would be interested in the MTTY approach, a link would be appreciated... running out the door now to go play bar manager...
Sorry GS, didn't wanna seem impatient, just trying to get a wider input as to a solution, so I can (a) fix mine and (b) maybe suggest to others (a bunch from what I've seen, here and elsewhere) with the same problem, rather than everyone sending them to AT&T / HTC for replacements.
Personally, I think that the 3G issue is some corruption somewhere in the phone's firmware that a ROM/radio/SPL change doesn't affect, and - as much as I hate to invoke such people - the guys at AT&T that looked at it believed the same, didn't think it was an antenna issue (although the widespread belief is that it IS, and furthermore that anyone working at AT&T is a dolt - which IS usually the case). Far be it from me to be naive, but one would think that if this was as widespread a problem as it is and was hardware related that there would be a recall, which there hasn't been.
Again, thanks to everyone for their assistance.

So, I guess the next question is... how do I use MTTY to, as GSLEON suggested, flush out the bad blocks?
Again, thanks in advance to anyone who can help me.

go ahead and read up on this post. It will explain everything for you...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371154&highlight=MTTY

drunkbastard said:
No, not a ROM flash: I want to completely erase every last piece of data in my Tilt and install the SPL, OS, and radio from scratch.
...
Thank you
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You could try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb
No seriously, which way do you flash a rom ?
Just flash and basta? Flash and HR after that ? Have tryed with a different computer /os ? From SD card ? I had some reminiscent traces of previous roms if I didn't hard resetted after the flash.

Dredd67 said:
You could try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_bomb
No seriously, which way do you flash a rom ?
Just flash and basta? Flash and HR after that ? Have tryed with a different computer /os ? From SD card ? I had some reminiscent traces of previous roms if I didn't hard resetted after the flash.
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Thought about it, but motherf*%$# Al-Qaida has made getting my hands on one so difficult.
I flash from a WinXP PC, have not tried another one because this is the only one I can get my grubby little hands on, flash / HR. Have not tried from SD card. I have had traces of old ROMs as well - I tired using PDAUltimate v6 and still had the splash screen from Garmin 4.4c... odd... that and other incidents of remnants of ROMs gone by.

You may want to check here and see if there is anything that may apply. (This is coming from someone that had a 3G failure.)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400610&highlight=JohnJonsten

drunkbastard said:
I am reticent to think it's a hardware issue because the G and H icons do appear, I just can't get a connection
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Well, that IS the usual behavior when the radio hardware goes poof, many people including myself experienced it. In the end GPS failed too on mine, as well as the GSM radio, and the phone was always running hot and draining batteries extremely quickly.
See the link posted by John.

The quick and dirty of it is....
1. The Icon lighting up means the radio and protocol is correct to talk on the correct 3G bands in your area
2. From what I have been able to gleen on how the 3G signaling works (not an expert here) it is basically GSM signaling for the UMTS/HSDPA Voice/data path buildup.
3. It is most interesting to go to an area that has non PCS band 3g, use field test to verify this if you want, you can lock your phone on edge and use voice and data 850, but will not be able to build up a UMTS/HSDPA connection on 3G. You need to go to a non PCS area as I have seen for the most part in Seattle they run the edge net on 850 and 3G on PCS frequencies.
kilrah said:
Well, that IS the usual behavior when the radio hardware goes poof, many people including myself experienced it. In the end GPS failed too on mine, as well as the GSM radio, and the phone was always running hot and draining batteries extremely quickly.
See the link posted by John.
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Rogers mandatory update - Data status

Hello;
I'm wondering if people could post their status for the data so that those of us who don't have data have something to tell Rogers.
My status is that Rogers won't do the Network Refresh - I've called and spoken to about half a dozen people (both in data and not) and there is obviously a memo as none are willing to do it. I've requested escalation but have not heard back.
They are insisting that even if the refresh did work, it could also revert and no longer work -- can anyone confirm whether or not they have lost data since getting their refresh?
They have also told me that they can't do the refresh for technical reasons, they've told me that the refresh won't do anything since the tower won't communicate with my phone until I put their update as it won't be compatible. So basically I'm getting the run-around ... no surprise.
I'm also on a "master ticket" which they claim only have 40 people on it - seems to me that this board has more than 40 people, so maybe there's only 40 of us that are modded and can't otherwise get data.
I'm on 1.6 now, but obviously if I can't get the data back I'll look at CursorSense32A since from what I'm reading here that seems to be the only one that reliably works w/o Rogers intervention.
Here's my current details:
Firmware version 1.6
cyanogenmod 4.2.13
Build DRC92
Baseband 62.52S.20.18H_3.22.20.17
Kernel 2.6.;29.6-cm42
SAPPHIRE PVT 32A SHIP S-ON H
HBOOT-1.33.0009 (SAPP50000)
CPLD-12
RADIO-3.22.20.17
May 8 2009, 21:02:32

What is from development in your post?

Hello 5[Strogino];
My apologies if this is in the wrong area: I put it here as this thread Rogers Mandatory Update is here as well. I did look to see if there was another forum and thought maybe "Software and Hacking General" but it says no noobs and as this is my second post I'm pretty sure I qualify.
I'm really just trying to get a single location where those of us who are/were affected by the mandatory update can post our current status. The original thread has a lot of people posting a lot of different scenarios and there is a lot of time covered in that thread so it's difficult to tell if people had it working, lost connectivity etc.
So with that goal in mind, can you suggest an alternate location for this thread and either maybe you can get it moved (as a sr. member?), or I can repost it there.
Thanks.

I had no data for almost a week. I then upgraded to 6.35.10.18 Radio and 1.76.2007 SPL, and then installed cursorsense rom.
My data returned within about 36 hours.
Lee

Flash the 6.x radio and 1.76 end SPL and then this ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592856
It has the rogers radio.When data returns, you can revert to 3.xx radio.

bcrook said:
Flash the 6.x radio and 1.76 end SPL and then this ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592856
It has the rogers radio.When data returns, you can revert to 3.xx radio.
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LOL
Are you still giving out this bull**** advice?
HERES THE REAL SOLUTION
1. Call Customer Care *611 : Say cancel my service to get to a rep without saying anything else
2. Tell them youve updated to the newest rom and that your data isnt working ( they shouldnt ask any questions really just tell them it was from the website)
3. They will perform a resend to switch which will disconnect you from the call
4. Reboot phone and you will have data
NO NEED TO FLASH ANYTHING
5. Have Data faster than what the above solution is telling you
I can confirm this works on both rooted dreams and magics as i own both and have friends with dreams
data has not been lost once
If customer care gives you a hard time request their manager
The manager should coach them to do the data restore or hell do it himself
If the manager is a douche and wont do it (sometimes this happens)
just tell him u want to cancel because of this
they should be able to do it to prevent you from canceling your service i would think
honestly ive never had a problem finding a rep to do it in 5 seconds
just hang up if you get an idiot and try again ;P
Customer relations and customer care and the escalation support group all have access to the network refresh
If you want a manager they can resend to switch
If you want to cancel you are transferred to customer relations
who can resend to switch
AND the people that you talk to customer care can too
If your talking to tech support they are retarded
The customer care policy from a senior customer care agents mouth " Our reference says to do the resend to switch to refresh the network to restore data"

hey alan090;
I've been trying that for a week -- I'm sure this worked earlier, but this 'hack' appears to be closed. They seem to know not to do this both in the regular wireless as well as the data divisions.
Has anyone installed cursorsense and not gotten their data back?
Question #2:
Are people who have data via network refresh still getting the texts and calls to tell them they need to update?

On Amon RA's 1.6.3 Donut ROM. Had no data for about 24 hours, used the live support and got it back with a network refresh. Have had it even since. Never flashed the new radio or any new ROM. Still getting texts and calls though, quite annoying.

dmod5585 said:
hey alan090;
I've been trying that for a week -- I'm sure this worked earlier, but this 'hack' appears to be closed. They seem to know not to do this both in the regular wireless as well as the data divisions.
Has anyone installed cursorsense and not gotten their data back?
Question #2:
Are people who have data via network refresh still getting the texts and calls to tell them they need to update?
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They have not closed it as this is the procedure they have to follow to give you your data back after 24h
still able to do it and just explain u updated on the weekend
if they want build info, find the build info

alan090 said:
LOL
Are you still giving out this bull**** advice?
HERES THE REAL SOLUTION...
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We all know a network refresh can get our data back. However, we don't know if it is a permanent solution. Rogers can disable phones that have the old radio again any time they like.
On top of that, getting someone to actually do the refresh is a major PITA, something I certainly am not willing to do. Calling in repeatedly to get someone who will do it is not my idea of fun.
I'd prefer to update the phone to the radio they are looking for, and then I can load on any rom I want.
I'd suggest you don't put down others suggestions, especially since they seem to work for everyone. We know the refresh works, and this method works too.

GreenEnvy said:
We all know a network refresh can get our data back. However, we don't know if it is a permanent solution. Rogers can disable phones that have the old radio again any time they like.
On top of that, getting someone to actually do the refresh is a major PITA, something I certainly am not willing to do. Calling in repeatedly to get someone who will do it is not my idea of fun.
I'd prefer to update the phone to the radio they are looking for, and then I can load on any rom I want.
I'd suggest you don't put down others suggestions, especially since they seem to work for everyone. We know the refresh works, and this method works too.
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The refresh is permanent and is the PROPER method
If the Radio works thats just luck
I KNOW agents personally in customer care
I just chatted with them last night
and This is what needs to be done
Changing radio and rom for the data back is too much work even if it does work
The network refresh works for everyone
This method has not been 100% conclusive since people have flashed it and it still does nothing to bring data back

alan090 said:
The refresh is permanent and is the PROPER method
If the Radio works thats just luck
I KNOW agents personally in customer care
I just chatted with them last night
and This is what needs to be done
Changing radio and rom for the data back is too much work even if it does work
The network refresh works for everyone
This method has not been 100% conclusive since people have flashed it and it still does nothing to bring data back
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Flashing the radio is the conclusive way to bring radio back.
If you have any idea who bcrook is you would give some credit to his advice, because he is one of the ones on xda who knows his stuff about the technical aspects of things.
After flashing the radio image, I have not received any more texts or phone calls from Rogers.
Flashing the radio is very simple. You just have to make sure you do it right. I also received a network refresh, but flashing the radio is the permanent solution.
So yes. Do your network refresh. If you can, flash your radio too.

So for those who upgraded to CursorSense basically needs to stay with this ROM forever? I like this ROM but I'd like to be able to upgrade to some version of 2.x in the near future...

xaueious said:
Flashing the radio is the conclusive way to bring radio back.
If you have any idea who bcrook is you would give some credit to his advice, because he is one of the ones on xda who knows his stuff about the technical aspects of things.
After flashing the radio image, I have not received any more texts or phone calls from Rogers.
Flashing the radio is very simple. You just have to make sure you do it right. I also received a network refresh, but flashing the radio is the permanent solution.
So yes. Do your network refresh. If you can, flash your radio too.
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Ive had people on the same radios from day one with their data back
VERIFIED never touched the rogers radio and *gasp* still have data
notice you had the resend to switch as well as the radio? do you think if you didnt flash the radio it would not work magically? no it still will
you can still use the stock 1.5 image with no updates to ANYTHING and get your data back
think what you want im just trying to help you guys get your data
spend 24-48 hours waiting before you actually follow what I said to get your data back as the radio step is completely unnecessary
Oh BTW regarding those texts and/or phone calls
so dont feel special because they stopped sending them to me on my v3 radio too

Alan,
I manage 15 or so Rogers phones at work, and the only people who got texts and calls about it were our dream and magic users. The other 11 or so people did not get any messages.
Rogers would have identified who to alerts/disable by either:
a)IMEI on your account
b)doing a scan for certain phones.
"a" is much more likely, as otherwise they would pickup non-rogers customers who happened to be in a Rogers area when the scan was done.

GreenEnvy said:
Alan,
I manage 15 or so Rogers phones at work, and the only people who got texts and calls about it were our dream and magic users. The other 11 or so people did not get any messages.
Rogers would have identified who to alerts/disable by either:
a)IMEI on your account
b)doing a scan for certain phones.
"a" is much more likely, as otherwise they would pickup non-rogers customers who happened to be in a Rogers area when the scan was done.
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Ill check on that
I thought I had gotten reports from some people that they had gotten them on non-dreams
Ill check on my account that only has a lg xenon on it

alan090 said:
LOL
Are you still giving out this bull**** advice?
HERES THE REAL SOLUTION
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So wait, let me get this straight...
Upgrading to the files they are looking for is "bull**** advice"
The REAL solution is calling into Rogers, threatening to cancel your account to get a network refresh?
I myself called Tech Support and Customer Care for about a week asking for a network refresh and never got one. The days that I did, nothing happened when I rebooted my phone. Eventually I just upgreaded the Radio to 1.76 and installed the default Rom (But I still have access to fastboot for future flashes). Withen about 36 hours my phone had data again.
Threatening to cancel you account is a stupid way to get data back. It's an equivilent to throwing a tempertantrum because your mom said "No more cookies unless you do your homework". Screw doing the homework, cry and tell them you'll run away is the REAL SOLUTION

Am I screwed? (bricked)

I've been flashing different roms for awhile, and decided to go from OpenEclair to one of the "new" ones that requires the new SPL and radio. Went fine. No problem. Used the new rom for about a week, but really got screwed by a massive bug I found in it today, so I wanted to go back to my OE nandroid backup.
I went to reflash to my original SPL. It was a ZIP, so I treated it like a ROM and used AmonRa's recovery to flash it. Said it went fine. Rebooted, expecting to get back into fastboot and flash my radio.
I can't get into fastboot. All it does is show Rogers then HTC Magic in a boot loop. ADB devices shows nothing, fastboot devices shows nothing. Back and Power doesn't work. Home back and power doesn't work. Vol down doesn't work.
Am I as bricked as I think I am?

Yes, it sounds bricked. The proper method to go from 6.x --> 3.x radios and matching SPL is to use fastboot. You have to flash radio and SPLs in matching pairs, you can only use the update.zip format for SPL when it already matches your radio (ie. 1.33.2005 ---> 1.33.2010 w/ the 3.22.20.17 radio).

I believe you should normally flash radios first as well. If you don't get it fixed id like to buy it, need parts. Anyways, most the time when you can't get into fastboot or anything else, it is bricked. Best bet is to get warranty if you still have it. Unfortunately the new phones won't be rootable yet

its best to follow guides when downgrading/upgrading spl/radio (cursordroids for example) when not knowing completely what your doing.. sorry my friend.. sounds like your phone is now a boat anchor

i flashed a 1.33.2010 SPL with a 3.?? radio and now all i get is the logo screen no fast boot, i can enter debug mode (action button) but nothing else sounds like its bricked, but hey its been fun

to be honest i was in this situation last week after leaving my phone off for a hour fastboot was working

oh this is sounding more promising, see what happens when i get home, i see there have been a few people about that have been in the same situation and got out of it so fingers crossed

unfortunantly none of the above worked, wow after 10 years of flashing **** i finally killed something !!.... mind you i still have to make up the serial cable this weekend and see if i can fix it like that

Oh well, you guys should know better ... radio/spl/recovery upgrade/downgrade is a child play, if you do it with fastboot and in the correct order (radio - spl - recovery).
I just hope you can get your Magic back to life.

yeah i was a little distracted at the time, never mind, im going to boot into the radio bootloader and see if i can fix it this weekend, fingers crossed

ruimoura said:
Oh well, you guys should know better ... radio/spl/recovery upgrade/downgrade is a child play, if you do it with fastboot and in the correct order (radio - spl - recovery).
I just hope you can get your Magic back to life.
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i have flashed not in that order and never bricked and also i have flash different things like radios in different orders and no brick

Just a (long) update on trying to get the phone repaired...
First thanks to bcrook, KAwAtA and digitaljeff for the prompt replies at confirming my screw up.
Ruimoura, why even post? Nothing helpful, and not even commiserating. "Oh well, you guys should know better ...". I hope someone is there when you make a mistake to rub it in.
Anyway...
This was a Rogers Magic used in the states on AT&T.
Heres what happened if anyone is interested:
I searched the forums and tried every trick I could find, including the gold card method; no luck. To be honest, I'm not sure I did the gold card right, but I tried my best. I even looked into the jtag idea, but it seems like more work then its worth to me, and no one seems to have been successful with it yet.
I then called HTC to find out what a repair would cost. HTC said they don't have that phone in their parts list and can't service it because it is a Rogers phone and they don't work with Rogers. They told me I would have to call Rogers for service.
Called Rogers and explained the situation (carefully; blaming the 911 update ). Rogers lectured me on how dare I take their phone off their network, and that they have no interest in helping me at all and "contacting HTC is easy. Whats wrong with you?". I explained that I contacted HTC and they said to contact Rogers. They said (after some fighting) call this number and then gave me the same number HTC has on their website.
Called HTC again and explained the situation. After checking their parts database, the person I was talking to this time confirmed what the person I previously talked to said. HTC doesn't service the Rogers Magic but he felt, like I, that was kinda crazy and called the repair location directly to confirm. After a bit of time on hold, he came back and said that Rogers phones are serviced through a place called FutureTel in canada, and gave me their contact number.
I called FutureTel and it was a very short conversation. "What store are you calling from?" I Explained I wasn't calling from a store and why I was calling. "We only work with Rogers directly. We won't support you." and they hung up.
I have to say, both times I called HTC the people I talked to were incredibly polite and honestly seemed like they wanted to help. Rogers and FutureTel seemed like they truly resented having to pick up the phone. Maybe its a cultural thing I'm not aware of, but it honestly seemed, from the first word, that they hated talking to me.
So, as near as I can tell, you can't even pay someone to fix a Rogers HTC Magic.
At this point I'm back suffering on my old WinMo phone and desperately hoping that the rumored March 23 release date for the Verizon Nexus One is legitimate since T-Mobile isn't really an option.

[Q] New to android, Can you point me in the right direction?

hey, i am a current Maemo 5 user and untill 2 days ago a iphone user aswell.
i got so sick of the iphone, with it being slow and restricted even after i jail broke it.
anyway 2 days ago i got offered a trade for my iphone 3g 8gb for a HTC Magic (Vodafone) , this is the first time i had ever used the Android OS and i was very impressed with it, so much better than iOS.
So as i am still very much a beginner on this platform i was wondering if you could point me in the right direction on rooting it. I know you probably get this all the time, but i have spent hours on Google and have found a lot of different methods to root it, and i am unsure on which one to take, with so much different information it kinda gets confusing after a while .
so if someone could post a link on a good guide for me to start on and working links for the files needed, that would be most appreciated.
i am fairly technical minded as i successfully Flash/Mod/Hack Xbox 360, Wii, PS3, PSP, Iphone and other things....
the info that i think is relevant for which guide i need to follow.
HTC Magic (Vodafone)
Firmware Version : 1.6
Sapphire PVT 32B Ship S-ON G
HBOOT-1.33.0004
CPLD-10
Vodafone Branded
My main goal for rooting is that i want to remove the Vodafone app and splash screen, and in my experience Generic Firmwares are normally alot better, I heard sumat about using Custom ROMS?
and one question, do i need to back up all the contacts etc before rooting?
Thanks to anyone who helps me, and sorry if i have posted it in the wrong section.

Here, and here.
Search is your friend.

thanks very much.
i actually rooted it and installed cyanogen 6 last night, was to late to post that i had done it.
it was extremely easy surprisingly
anyway all is going good apart from 2 things.
when the GPS initiates (the little satellite flashes on status bar.) the phone reboots, everytime. not sure why. but i have had to disable GPS until i can fix it.
will this be a suitable fix? hxxp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=782242
and alot of the time my signal bars show no signal, but it jumps up and down abit , then goes back to zero...
but other than that i love it now