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As we all know, Windows mobile supported push email with certificate based authentication.
Apple have now released iphone 2.0 and I'm wondering whether they also support certificate based authentication for push email service.
Anyone have any source on this ?
aad4321 said:
i would pretty much guarantee they are, it will probably even be better than windows mobile push email
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How much "better" can a push email service get? I get all my emails instantly through FlexMail in HTML with the IMAP server, always idle. Works very well, and the new design of FM is better.
Yeah, I'm actually going to retire my HTC Touch for an Iphone. Hands down, they where successful this time.
I'm not sure about this as this feature not stated in the official pdf. They only mentioned VPN certification based authentication is supported.
yes, v2 (beta at least) does support certificate authentication for EAS
kproj said:
Yeah, I'm actually going to retire my HTC Touch for an Iphone. Hands down, they where successful this time.
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I was thinkin about it too, but unless you have AT&T, the difference in your monthly bill will shoot up quite a bit...
the iPhone 2 doesn't really have anything new besides push email and 3G... no new animations(which i believe cannot be customized) or even a new look of the phone overall... the interface looks identicle...
True its gunna be FAR more affordable than the old one, but if in 6-9 months WM7 will be released, i think i'll wait for windows' version of multitouch screen, which i am also POSITIVE will allow UBER AMOUNTS of customization!
good luck kproj, let us know how you like it. but without the ability to customize and make your phone way different than everyone elses, you'll just be "fallin in".
yeah, when I was deciding between a kaiser and a iphone, winmo won me over because I had a ppc, and the customization avaliable is amazing. But I don't use it too much as a business phone, my laptop is enough, so I don't know about your needs.
sujinge9 said:
yeah, when I was deciding between a kaiser and a iphone, winmo won me over because I had a ppc, and the customization avaliable is amazing. But I don't use it too much as a business phone, my laptop is enough, so I don't know about your needs.
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i have the same needs... winmo just gives you more... i guess it takes more to satisfy me
I asked the question about EAS for Iphone using certificate based authentication in an apple forum...
the answer was... NO the iphone is not able to manage EAS with certiifcate authentication...
If somebody knows how to configure it... Please help me...
specially "tmknight", he told in his post that was possible with beta version...
WOW!
Apple includes something that has been a part of Windows and its revolutionary?
I have a really cool gadget for sell. You plug it into any AC outlet and it blows hot air really fast! It can dry your hair in half the time! I am going to ignore the other folks selling items that are kinda' similar for $20 and offer mine for $299! If you feel like you are getting ripped off, take comfort in knowing that my hair dryer is really trendy and Pairs Hiliton owns 2!!
I read recently that the Iphone is not infact a true push email system. It uses IMAP with a very high poll rate so, if its true its in fact pull with synchro. This has also caused the apple fan club issues as it can take up to 15minutes for contacts/calender entries to sync up to the server.
btw, my mates done nothing but moan and ***** about his Iphone since 2.0 - reckons its buggy as hell. Thats some statement as he is a mad apple fan boy so if he's upset then it really MUST be bad!
and here we go: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/16/mobileme_not_pushing/
Email is managed through IMAP, and strictly speaking is pulled by polling the IMAP servers every minute, though that gives a reasonable impression of being pushed.
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xxtrem said:
I asked the question about EAS for Iphone using certificate based authentication in an apple forum...
the answer was... NO the iphone is not able to manage EAS with certiifcate authentication...
If somebody knows how to configure it... Please help me...
specially "tmknight", he told in his post that was possible with beta version...
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I do not use cert auth, but in speaking with my peer on our messaging team (spoke with him upon reading this thread way back) it is possible with Exchange 2007 - he stated he successfully tested it. Afraid I can't offer more.
@ojp,
Check this link
Maybe you'll have some answers to your questions.
Yeah I just ordered a new iPhone had my HTC Tilt for a while and well... I wasnt too impressed with WM. I do look forward and would love to be on a WM but one that works smooth would be a must.
All you guys leaving WinMo phones to go straight to the Iphone, I wish you the best luck, but I´m sure you will come back, after the Iphone-fever has passed and you realice that not too much can be done to PERSONALIZE your phone.
Anyway, it´s just my personal thougth and wish you the best luck!
Cheers
I've used my Tilt and I've used Both iPhones and for what I do the iPhone fits me better. Other HTC phones I like a lot more than the iPhone but I'm getting it at a 1/3 or 1/4 the cost of an HTC I'd rather have.
http://www.iphoneapps.org/
Thoughts on this software for customizing your iPhone?
WM beats iphone 2.0 ...
complex OS for smart people .. Simple OS for.. ok the other people.. not so smart
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=4u_2bOh_2bpZw_2bi6kapzFi_2bZHw_3d_3d
answer as if there has been no customization to the phones. i have to do a report on which cellphone would be best for a business and i'm breaking it down by OS first then looking at hardware then carrier. if you have any questions or suggestions, please post.
thank you
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i have to do a business report which selects which phone would be best for businesses and sales people. i decided to look at features of each smartphone OS first because, WM has the best document editing i think, where iphone has the easiest functionality, so i would weigh the pros and cons of each OS from a business standpoint (so iphone having games means nothing, stuff like that). then after an OS is chosen, if it ends up being WM or BB, i will look into phones, which has the best hardware pretty much. then see which carrier has the best plan for that phone. and then my report would have the best OS, phone, and plan for the price all presented in a business proposal.
if you need anymore information just ask. thanks again.
looks to me that iphone is best for UI and games and music, winmo takes the rest
did the survey
Done the survey and while WM is good, BB wins hands down for mobile email and out of the box security, it was what it was designed for.
Done the survey
May I ask what is the intention of it?
If you would post the intent of the survey I'd reckon that alot more people would do it. I'll do it just for the nostalgia of school though
thanks everyone. i'll put more into the first post about what it's for.
OK, now you have explained the details a wee bit better I think it's going to end up a choice between BB and WM.
Have a look at this thread BB/WM/iPhone head to head where someone else on this forum is doing similar from a different viewpoint.
thanks. i thought it would be BB and WM without researching because iphone is more play and isn't really for work. android has all the potential to be the best, but only when the apps are developed, where BB and WM are built with business in mind.
It's going to boil down to the need to edit documents, which WM does and BB doesn't, or a very secure email platform - the BB. There is also the question of will their email be initially handled inhouse and then pushed to the handheld?
it's funny, i didn't think that BB could edit word documents, and yet most people in my survey say BB has the best MS office options.
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What's happening lately? Just about every website I access that has an app advertised invariably has it for Blackberry, iPhone or Android. Nowhere is mentioned an app for WM. I was looking for an app or website for my WM PDA that would help me doing currency exchange calculations. I found this website (www.xe.com) that has an amazing Desktop app for currency exchange. This was already years ago. They had a link to a mobile website that was terrible. I am forever looking for a app or mobile website to do currency exchange calculations.
Two weeks ago I revisited xe.com and found that they were advertising an app for Blackberry and iPhone, but nothing for WM. I sent them an email and the question to them why for the two former and not the latter. Their answer was DEMAND, can you believe it? Only two people had made inquiries into apps for WM OS.
OK, Blackberry in the States and Canada I can understsnd, but iPhone and Android? iPhone? Android? I don't know statistics, but I am sure that there are a lot more kids using iPhone than financial grownups. Android, more popular than WM based PDA's?
There are apps for cocktails, recipes, and all free. I know that there are apps that can be bought on Handango and PocketGear and I do not mind paying for them. And have bought a number of them. But why are companies passing over WM PDA's for the other three? I like using WM PDA's because it gives me the feeling that I am using a computer that is also a phone or the other way round.
Enlighten me, someone. Am I missing something?
Thanks
Brian
Hey,
I work for a large multinational(10000+ employees) that is doing the unthinkable and standardizing on iphones for all smartphones...up to now as long as you had an exchange compatible phone, it was ok....
Personally I wanted to get a new WP7 phone as I'm coming from WM.
There are possibilities around it on a case by case basis but I need some help from you guys with reasoning why the iphone would not be ideal for business(outside sales group)...
I use my wm phone right now mostly for email but also a lot for opening and modifying excel sheets and sometimes word sheets, PDF's, navigation and some audio(I use my zune HD now for that)...I don't believe with the new ios that it has native MS office integration, correct?
Any tips would be ideal so that at least I can continue with a wp7...
look for another job?
There is nothing you can do... no company will accept such a new platform as a standard, besides Dell? lol I don't know... there is PDF support, uhm exchange is there, flash will be there soon... there are devices with QWERTY keyboards(Dell Venue Pro), that might prove much more productive than a soft keyboard. WP7 is a much better business phone than iOS, however convincing that to people who who think iPhone has the most apps as pretty hard. I tried convincing some people that Android was more productive than iPhone, of course they laughed . Just present WP7 as a business phone with luxuries... another thing would be WP7 has a far more superior calendar system. Reason I wouldn't even try is because WP7 doesn't have multi-tasking or copy-paste, something I believe business users might need more than XBL :|
you don't have to convince them to send all their phones out as windows phone... just to allow you to use a windows phone correct? if that's the case, what do they see in the iPhone? do they rely on a particular application?
for the WP7 case... if your work place uses sharepoint (i'd imagine so given the numbers you showed), well WP out of the box supports that, has better office integration and functionality than any other mobile OS, even with their third party applications. Also, WP7 has exchange 2003 sp2, 2007, 2010 full support.
That in itself should be enough to say that WP can work for your work place. But yea, if there is a particular app that they need, or they created themselves... unless you're a dev and can reproduce it for WP, you may be out of luck.
So far I am actually liking the iOS better than WP7 after playing with the HD7 for 2-3 days... grrr...
Microsoft is determined to win the phone wars, or at least become one of the top 2-3 players. 500 million spent on advertising alone is no joke. I honestly think they will be pouring out updates for their OS.
As a long time Exchange admin, I'm not surprised about this. There's plenty of reason to go to iPhone--decent Exchange support, lots of apps, etc--and although those things will all eventually be true for Windows Phone 7, today only the first item is true. Right now, Windows Phone 7 is an untested platform. Can't say I blame them, though frankly I feel iOS is a very "last gen" OS compared to WP7. Still...it's a mature platform, and for business use, that's valuable.
jasongw said:
decent Exchange support
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ouw there are many things which dont work with eas + ios
http://blogs.technet.com/b/jribeiro...-windows-mobile-android-nokia-apple-palm.aspx
Also the iPhone dont have Office, but open office which you have to pay for.
So no reading docs on the go edit them and sending back.
At the Uni i work someone had the bright idea of having iphones as corp devices. They went right over my head and now when ever a iPhone goes wrong on exchange they have to send someone out to fix it.
The iPhone doesnt support everything that a windows phone does on exchange.
Lets face it WP7 sucks to, ok it does the basics but you still dont get Task sync and you need to have exchange 2010 to use all the options.
this is also a similar issue to Android. Android provides read only functionality to office facilities, even with third party applications (from what i'm aware). given this is built right into the phone, there is no added cost to the end user.
This is a clear example of what MS was talking about when they said that Android isn't really free. Sure the core is free, but to get the products that can match the quality and functionality of Windows Phone, you are really look at greater costs than what MS asks for.
Thanks guys...
Yeah, it's just to convince them for me...no chance for the company wide...I'd like to convince them for the people working for me as well but this seems unlikely although those guys probably look at getting an iphone as a coup...the decision, like many decisions at big companies, has little to do with logic and all to do with politics.
Some good info here guys...appreciate it.
I agree, right now windows phone is not even at wm level but one can assume it will be very soon.
For the iphone, do you know if those office apps allow you to edit documents?
eh, WP7 is fully intergrated with microsoft office, plus windows live ID. iOS is not. im guessing your company uses PC`s and windows rather than macs? if you want easier transitons for docs and editing them WP7 is the way to go. after all WP7 it dosnt need "an app for that"
I suspect the reason your company is moving to iPhone is because the nutjob who signs the cheque on the corporate phone strategy is an iPhone fanboi and what he says goes.
Corporate phones without a keyboard = EPIC FAIL.
Jim Coleman said:
I suspect the reason your company is moving to iPhone is because the nutjob who signs the cheque on the corporate phone strategy is an iPhone fanboi and what he says goes.
Corporate phones without a keyboard = EPIC FAIL.
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I could not have said it better....my local IT person was completely perplexed by this decision...
Agree with the keyboard thing as well...for a personal phone I've no problem without a keyboard but when you are writing upwards of a 100 emails a day...virtual keyboards suck...
I guess, the worst case is you buy a WP7 SIM free, use your work SIM and connect to EAS just like the iPhones..... Unless you are not allowed to by policy - or they have locked anything down...!?
I am using WP7 Mozart on Orange for last 2/3 weeks. I was previusly using HTC Legend. The WP7 EAS and Outlook is very good. I have two EAS accounts and a Hotmail account all sync very well.
maclemy said:
I guess, the worst case is you buy a WP7 SIM free, use your work SIM and connect to EAS just like the iPhones..... Unless you are not allowed to by policy - or they have locked anything down...!?
I am using WP7 Mozart on Orange for last 2/3 weeks. I was previusly using HTC Legend. The WP7 EAS and Outlook is very good. I have two EAS accounts and a Hotmail account all sync very well.
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The only thing I'm not sure about is that currently with my winmo phone and work we use a certificate that is put in the root(actually 2 certificates) and from what I've read right now this is not officially supported with windows phone 7 although there are work arounds...if iphones don't offer that then I guess I'd be fine anyway....
For me I'll see what I can do as I have a zune pass and definitely want the phone even for that alone but I was really hoping to use the benefits of the cloud solution of windows phone with my team (sharepoint, office,etc...)...
The Gate Keeper said:
this is also a similar issue to Android. Android provides read only functionality to office facilities, even with third party applications (from what i'm aware). given this is built right into the phone, there is no added cost to the end user.
This is a clear example of what MS was talking about when they said that Android isn't really free. Sure the core is free, but to get the products that can match the quality and functionality of Windows Phone, you are really look at greater costs than what MS asks for.
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Ji6 gave galaxy s full thinkfree office. You can create, edit and save files.
That depends on what phond u have though.
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so then it's carrier based software? but yea, it would then come down to manufacturer/carrier to put the added cost in somewhere to offer the same level that windows phone offers, but yes of course it can be done, not saying that, just saying that the cost will pop up somewhere, whether that be direct or not is a different story.
My company is giving us iPads and iPhones. I have already taken the iPad and plan on using it but I don't want to give up my Android phone. I was about to upgrade to the HTC One too. The issue is my company will not allow any phone other than iPhone or Blackberry on their company servers to use exchange. So I am looking for advice on syncing my outlook contacts, calendars and email with my android phone. I wish there was a stealth mode of EAS. I can actually connect my phone with our servers but after a couple of days they realize there is an unauthorized device and shut down my link. Then I have to call and reconnect.
Anyway, are there any others out there with this same problem? Now that gsync is gone what are you doing? Are there any email options other than just forwarding to gmail? Are there any bi-directional options? I have discovered OGGSync and think it may be my best option but its not going to help with email. Thanks for any advice.
Get the one as an upgrade and use that for everything that isn't related to your work.
Get your free iphone and use that for business stuff.
Carry them both around.
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android with you family and iphone with your company
if your company demands. i think you 'd better not use android phone to access company service device.so leave android phone for your family.
only thing you will do is keep two phone in your bug.
I guess that's what I'll do. I would like to have access to my company stuff too though. I will probably just use OWA in the browser.
Carry them both around.
ios for business
and andorid for other stuff
Why not BB? Surely you know the joy of candybar qwerty...?
If it's company policy, I really don't think you should try to circumvent it.
As other have said, simply carry a work phone and a personal phone.
company policy,
i think the only way to slove this problem is carry them both.
one for work one for other.
awtryau89 said:
My company is giving us iPads and iPhones. I have already taken the iPad and plan on using it but I don't want to give up my Android phone. I was about to upgrade to the HTC One too. The issue is my company will not allow any phone other than iPhone or Blackberry on their company servers to use exchange. So I am looking for advice on syncing my outlook contacts, calendars and email with my android phone. I wish there was a stealth mode of EAS. I can actually connect my phone with our servers but after a couple of days they realize there is an unauthorized device and shut down my link. Then I have to call and reconnect.
Anyway, are there any others out there with this same problem? Now that gsync is gone what are you doing? Are there any email options other than just forwarding to gmail? Are there any bi-directional options? I have discovered OGGSync and think it may be my best option but its not going to help with email. Thanks for any advice.
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Lol it's a *ucking phone. Stop giving it importance. Sooner or later you will realise that thinking about all these iPhones and android was not even worth it. Just use a iPhone it can do everything necessary so I don't c the need for you to keep another phone
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carry both