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A Thread to praise winmo (even though it has limitations)

after a long time being here ive noticed far too many threads moaning about the ugly interface and limitations of winows mobile
so i thought id start one that encourages new members to appreciate what we have
we have a mobile operating system that lets us do more than any other. emails on the go, internet sharing, fully customisable and the feature of being able to install unsigned software and work around compatability issues. and as far as looks go its noi uglier than a pc so we really cant complain. and i still hear about comparisons to the iphone now ill be the first to admit its a prett thing but after owning three winmo devices im never going to another, just because there are more possibilties than anything available
which brings me to this community and its part, my first device was a heavily branded spv m5000 (universal) and i really wasnt interested in flashing it or downloading because i didnt know about this community. then i got a kaiser and signed up for xda devs and have never seen so much appreciation for a mobile operating system and its features. in fact the only hangup i had was xda didnt cater for non htc devices, this was a bit of a niggle when i got the omnia. but ive still been welcomed and also decided to create a forum in the same manner as xda that caters for all winmo devices (see my sig)
so basically lets stop telling people what we think we should have and be greatful that we have the best mobile operating system available that seems to get better along the way with communities such as this one
cheers j
nb i know it seems a bit pointless posting a new topic about windows mobiles advantages but its better than another thread wishing it looked like an iphone

except windows mobile is dying and developement is drying up. Not only has the iphone outsold all wm devices worldwide but it actually has MORE apps now and more active development.
I too love WM and detest the limitations of the iphone, but sadly I must call a spade a spade

yeah it has just now. but development will pick up again. and i think the reason the iphone is doing so well is becauseits nice to look at. but they forget iphone has mass limitations

jayjay8585 said:
yeah it has just now. but development will pick up again. and i think the reason the iphone is doing so well is becauseits nice to look at. but they forget iphone has mass limitations
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but most of iPhone users are not hackers like peeps in xda or generally in windows mobile devices. they just like the fact that it is easy to use and doesn`t even realize it`s fails etc. I just wish that wm7 will bring those iphone users to us.

when peopolemfinally reaslise the iphones limtitations then they should come by them selves. if theyre r worried about interface. ifonz, but see we have the option of a pretty shortcut menu or pc looking interface ythey get the one and only that one

doubt very much iphone ipod touch got more apps then windows mobile
if people google <insert program name> pocketpc there are always hits
piles of freeware progs and games
but granted it's easier for people who pref not to use
google to find applications in app store

jayjay8585 said:
when peopolemfinally reaslise the iphones limtitations then they should come by them selves. if theyre r worried about interface. ifonz, but see we have the option of a pretty shortcut menu or pc looking interface ythey get the one and only that one
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Yah, but that is the problem. They have to install stuff to get it clean lookin etc.

yeah but the point is we have the choice we can install m2d and ifonz wad and throttle launcher they cant
the one word thatll piss every iphone user off
FULL CUSTOMISATION

jayjay8585 said:
yeah but the point is we have the choice we can install m2d and ifonz wad and throttle launcher they cant
the one word thatll piss every iphone user off
FULL CUSTOMISATION
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Well, that is also so true, but it would be good if Windows Mobile would be as easy to use in the beginning like iPhone is. It took me time to get inside WinMo and now I love it, but iPhone is easy-to-use instantly or maybe this is just me
but the full customization is Windows Mobile`s greatest side and iPhone can`t compete on that side God I still wish that we had something like iTunes Store for Windows Mobile provided by xda

jayjay8585 said:
FULL CUSTOMISATION
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care to explain how you can change the icons of the apps displayed when you Start > Programs or Start > Settings

i myself dont kno but after flashing hyperdragonsr rom onto my old kaiser theyre different so we know it possible
at the end of the day if winmo was so easy to set up and just use xda devs would be replaced with apps to be bought from microsoft for a fee then like apple sdks would have to be bought
although apps on appstore are free. well some of them developers still have to pay for the right to develop. winmno rules
and another note the whole taking time to set up winmo to be the you like it, thats what customisation is all about, and the fact that we delve so deep is the reason this haven exists

Yeah I agree about taking winmo to where I want is that loved customization side of it.
but for casual users it is like dancing on the graves and then they go and buy iPhone which a monkey can use -.-" but winmo still pwns it. no matter of what.

One other important aspect that is not being mentioned is that fact that the iphone had great advertising. The whooped and hollered it up and every one wanted one. I have friends who have the iphone and after a period of time they want more but due to no customization they can't. They are then jealous of my WM Device. Granted MS sucks a lot, because it appears they don't listen to what people want, but to me that is a great thing. Because of that we have XDA-Dev and all the wonderful programs. If it was up to me, keep is simple Microsoft and let the community build on it. The other fact is I hate (did I already say hate) itunes. AAC is a great format but the limitations of only being able to play on certain devices and having to sync with your computer and stuff. To much hassle and not enough freedom. My iphone friends agree, now that they see how quickly I can sync, move data and upload/download what I want as opposed to what I'm being told I can.
Just my two cents.
Let the flaming begin!!!

Just about right said:
One other important aspect that is not being mentioned is that fact that the iphone had great advertising. The whooped and hollered it up and every one wanted one. I have friends who have the iphone and after a period of time they want more but due to no customization they can't. They are then jealous of my WM Device. Granted MS sucks a lot, because it appears they don't listen to what people want, but to me that is a great thing. Because of that we have XDA-Dev and all the wonderful programs. If it was up to me, keep is simple Microsoft and let the community build on it. The other fact is I hate (did I already say hate) itunes. AAC is a great format but the limitations of only being able to play on certain devices and having to sync with your computer and stuff. To much hassle and not enough freedom. My iphone friends agree, now that they see how quickly I can sync, move data and upload/download what I want as opposed to what I'm being told I can.
Just my two cents.
Let the flaming begin!!!
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I hope this wont turn on a flame war
yeah, Apple`s advertising sure beats wm devices ad`s. haven`t seen a single Diamond / Touch Pro ad and I see atleast three iPhone adverts in a day at tv.

guess thats because apple is iphone and virsa versa
where wm is a os that anybody can make phones using
so should htc make adds for a ms product or
should ms make adds for a htc product ?

HTC should advertise their devices I wonder what would be results if Diamond would be as advertised as iPhone :s

Thanks for starting this thread. There is so much talk about how terrible winmo is, but personally I think its great. Sure out of the box it isn't the most user friendly device, but you can customize your phone however you want with a large array of diffent programs that allow for 'prettier' graphics and a much more user friendly interface. Its too bad development is slowing down, but I understand why. I just hope that WM7 can step up the ms game and get people interested again.
One more thing. I have a friend with a 3G iPhone. He is so die hard about it and is convinced everything else is so far inferior. Well, the other day I showed him the customization of my phone, dual booting android, and smoked him in download and internet speeds and suddenly he didn't seem so sure about his iPhone. He thought active sync was the coolest thing, I had to remind him that this was present on winmo phones for many years and is not an iphone development. I think a big issue is advertising, smart phones and ppcs are NEVER advertised on television. You may see ads for an Instinct or a Razor, but never for a Vogue, Kaiser, Diamond etc.
Anyhow, great thread. Winmo rocks.

of course it does because as we kno its has limitations but because of forums like this thre not a lot. and less work than symbian

Again, How is WM More customizable than the other platforms??
Custom Roms (Treo's and iPhone)
3rd party apps (Symbian, Treo, iPhone)
Ability to run Unsigned Code (All three again)
MS is as evil as any other company.
Flashing custom Roms(CID unlock/Hard SPL) seems easy to you because of hard work of folks here.
And should i remind you that MS/HTC haave in the past tried to shut this site down???

I hate to break it to alot of you guys, but the sub culture of the jailbroken iPhone community is much more in depth and techy than many of you think.
Windows Mobile is still my preferred OS mainly because I've been using it for so long, but I do own an iPhone 3G. Just like I've been ripping apart my WM phones for awhile with the information received here, so do I with my iPhone and it's batch of web sites. You'd be amazed at some of the stuff they've got going. Full customization of every aspect of the phones graphics, a video recorder that shoots ultra clear video (this, after years of suffering with my HTC camera software), a wealth of Apple-unapproved third party apps, system tweaks (like Safari Mobile tweaks that allow us to download, copy and paste, etc.), and more.
I do and always will love Windows Mobile, but we HAVE to remember that most of us hated WM right out of the box, otherwise we wouldn't be here. Likewise, my iPhone failed to interest me much when I first got it, yet the current generation of Jailbreaking has really opened it up.
The grass is green on both sides of the fence. I used to bash the iPhone and it's users just like everybody else, but now that I speak from experience I have come to see that the two OS's are much more alike than we realize.
The way I see it, there is no reason for me to be blindly loyal to one OS. When I started buying WM devices, I didn't sign up for some strange Microsoft regime, and likewise for Apple. We can have both, and use them as the mood strikes us.
EDIT: Oh, and don't even get me started on the touch screens...we really need some capacitive love on WM touch screens...

Any word on a "NEW" htc x7510 or similar

Hi all,
I was wondering if HTC was coming out with a "newer/updated" version of the x7510 or something similar. I now it's a niche device so it's rare I come across anything like it. I don't mind waiting to spend the money on a newer version of the device instead of buying a used one on ebay.
Any help with this questions is greatly appreciated.
Thanks

Robotech123 said:
Hi all,
I was wondering if HTC was coming out with a "newer/updated" version of the x7510 or something similar. I now it's a niche device so it's rare I come across anything like it. I don't mind waiting to spend the money on a newer version of the device instead of buying a used one on ebay.
Any help with this questions is greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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This was supposed to be out about now but I haven't heard much lately:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1785&view=1&c=htc_thoth_100

Wow, depending on how this thing set up, it can be successfully marketed as a total Kindle, iPad, dell mini 5 killer. I hope its real!

Im sure looking also forward to the upcoming model, if it comes
the specs looks awesome, 1gig , 5mb camera and im looking to see
how the sdd size will be,.
let's hope and see what HTC will comes up..
still happy so far with the HTC X7510 which is a killer device.

Am pretty sure that we will not see any new models within the Advantage-series. Basing this on info from HTC since we work with them and we use 7500/7510 in our productionline where we install our own applications and sell to blue-lights...
But, I *HOPE* I'm wrong becasue I too want to see a new and improved Advantage.

I would love to know if this new device is coming to the UK in April as HTC told me just a month ago there would be no replacement for the X7510.
Is there anymore info on it yet?

Successor to HTC Advantage?
JHodgkinson said:
I would love to know if this new device is coming to the UK in April as HTC told me just a month ago there would be no replacement for the X7510.
Is there anymore info on it yet?
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I personally think HTC may be missing an opportunity. With all the rave about the iPad, its critics point out the iPad's missing features and imperfections. When you look at what those critics would like to see (video-conference camera, etc), you get the feeling that they are actually describing something like Advantage x7510. HTC was ahead of its time when it released the x75xx series, and that was why they did not sell many units. Now the market has woken up to the realisation that something like the x75xx is really the ideal, practical business device. That is what the iPad tries to be - and all those other devices with giant screens. Several people who have seen me use the HTC x7510 at meetings have asked how they could get one. They feel disappointed when I tell them HTC don't make them any more! I have never seen any unit on sale on eBay. Why? No sane owner of an HTC Advantage would want to part with it!
Now is the time for HTC to release a re-born Advantage with:
Capacitive screen
1 GHz Snapdragon processor or similar
WVGA (480 x 800) resolution
A more secure cover for the battery/miniSD card/ SIMcard compartment
Improved camera (Not just megapixels, but really sharp pictures)
USB host
Bluetooth keyboard (optional)
I hope HTC is listening!

I agree - the good thing about the ipad is that it will launch a huge market in tablet like devices such as the Advantage. I was rather dreading the day I lost or damaged my Advantage, as it is so useful as a PDA/email/internet.
I agree - every time I use my Advantage, people comment. I think the problem was that HTC was not so well known when it brought out the Advantage, so it got forgotten by the market, plus, being honest, the Advantage does have its issues, such as the fact that it is memory strapped and is so sloooooow. It still gets commented on, and for many purposes, it is a useful alternative to laptop for up to a day out of the office.
A new one, better battery, capacitive screen, running Android, could be a winner, I completely agree.
rjstep3

It's really quiet in here.
Just Google for the Dell Mini 5 - a complete re-working of the Advantage concept, though without keyboard (but capacitive screen and onscreen keyboard mean this is not really necessary).
Looks really good.
rjstep3

its not windows mobile (or even mobile 7)

Vico100 said:
its not windows mobile (or even mobile 7)
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if you look around this whole site, there is the odd forum devoted to devices running a little known OS called Android. I didn't realise that everyone here had to be signed up to Microsoft.
Seriously, with WM being consigned to the bin of history, we are all going to have to shop around. Android looks good to me, and it is developing fast. Unlike Windows Mobile. The Dell Mini 5 looks a worthy successor to the Advantage in just about every way IMHO.
rjstep3

Dell Mini 5 and HTC Advantage
rjstep3 said:
Seriously, with WM being consigned to the bin of history, we are all going to have to shop around. Android looks good to me, and it is developing fast. Unlike Windows Mobile. The Dell Mini 5 looks a worthy successor to the Advantage in just about every way IMHO.
rjstep3
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It may be presumptuous to say that WM is "being consigned to the bin of history". It really depends on what you are looking for. I have read the tentative specifications of the Dell Mini 5. I would have loved to see it as "a worthy successor to the Advantage", but I really don't: With NO MS-Word or MS-Excel compatible editors (only viewers), it cannot replace my HTC Advantage. Until Google Apps includes real productivity tools, it cannot replace WM for me.

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It may be presumptuous to say that WM is "being consigned to the bin of history". It really depends on what you are looking for. I have read the tentative specifications of the Dell Mini 5. I would have loved to see it as "a worthy successor to the Advantage", but I really don't: With NO MS-Word or MS-Excel compatible editors (only viewers), it cannot replace my HTC Advantage. Until Google Apps includes real productivity tools, it cannot replace WM for me.
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I didn't realise it didn't have document creation ability that is a very good point.
However, looking around at the developers, it really does seem like everyone is calling time on WM development - I wish it were not so, I should be able to keep my kit going for another year or so, but let's face it, it's time to side-grade.
I remember when Psion went out of business, I kept using my kit for a little while, but it soon became too difficult to keep it running. The world had moved on - exchange sync-ing rather than simple email for one thing. It's very sad, I have kept with WM since I ditched my Psion kit, I thought Microsoft would be a safe bet and I would never have to change, but they screwed up in a major way.
I think Dell's Mini 5 is the way to go - but it will be a little time before it is ready, that is all. The Advantage should keep going for a year or two.
rjstep3

Android and the future of WM
As I said earlier, it is all about what you are looking for. In my view, WM will remain for as long as MS-Office remains the dominant productivity tool in our offices, and as long as Google has not ported its web productivity tools into Android in a way that they can truly replace MS-Office. The true death knell for WM will be when I can use Google Docs on Android and can sync my Android device with MS-Exchange. Of course, for those only interested in social networking, these are not a consideration and the Android is good enough as it is.
I would not even talk about Apple's devices. They are great for their cool factor. But I do not see them as serious business tools.
Over time, if Microsoft refocuses on WM, it could survive many more years as a niche OS, for those who want their "office in the pocket", especially if Microsoft collaborates with the likes of HTC to blend the best of WM with the usability of Android.

rsawoseyin said:
As I said earlier, it is all about what you are looking for. In my view, WM will remain for as long as MS-Office remains the dominant productivity tool in our offices, and as long as Google has not ported its web productivity tools into Android in a way that they can truly replace MS-Office. The true death knell for WM will be when I can use Google Docs on Android and can sync my Android device with MS-Exchange. Of course, for those only interested in social networking, these are not a consideration and the Android is good enough as it is.
I would not even talk about Apple's devices. They are great for their cool factor. But I do not see them as serious business tools.
Over time, if Microsoft refocuses on WM, it could survive many more years as a niche OS, for those who want their "office in the pocket", especially if Microsoft collaborates with the likes of HTC to blend the best of WM with the usability of Android.
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I think we are, as they say, in violent agreement.
rjstep3

WM7 - no cut/copy and paste

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/16/windows-phone-7-series-wont-have-copy-and-paste/
Glad I jumped ship when I did. iPhone from Microsoft anyone?

It is worse than iPhone. iPhone now has copy and paste.

talk about taking one step forward and 50 steps back. i remember when balmer was all like, "OMG MY PHONES ARE >>> THAN APPLE'S!!! WE HAVE COPY AND PASTE!! LOLOL!!11one"

I’ve tried to keep an open mind about the pros/cons of wp7s, but this little snippet of information has got me shaking my head in disbelief….
I can’t take a phone seriously that doesn’t have copy and paste…. I just can’t.

just some toughts
There was said that there would be wp7 and wp 6.5 where everyone was assuming that wp6.5 would be for cheaper models. but what if wp 6.5 is going to be the business version and wp7 is going to be the mainstream version. although iPhone, android and wm are most used for connecting to Internet I know that alot of people are using low spec mobiles. and many people using smartphones, just want something that looks cool and is easy to use.. wp7 does just that. MS is sure trying to get the gaget users.
What is the first thing cooks are doing when they get a new build? they remove things we (most of us) think are not needed.
I also remembered before wm 6.5 was released most were talking about how bad the UI looked and it was too simple. but before long most cooks were only using the WM today screen.
So I won't say anything bad about WP7 before I've tried it

Well, I was certain I would wait a bit and see how WP7 looks.
Then I saw "Metro" and thought the name was good, it's level is so low, it's close to the metro. And now this???
Android I am coming.

It seens that Microsoft is not that stupid: http://bit.ly/bQQv01
Copy and Paste IS NOT there NOW, but it will be in RTM versions.
Update: According to Paul Thurrott, Microsoft told him that the functionality isn’t currently present in WP7 but the plan is to implement it before RTM:
So I was told that Windows Phone copy and paste is not definitely, but that they were looking at adding this before RTM. It’s not there now.

and all is well again.
with multitasking shown to work and this i at the very least feel most of the main issues i had with WP7S are gone.
now if there only was some kind of shared filesystem i'd say its a sealed deal.

I've been trying to to bag on the new WinPho7 OS but, seriously? iPhone much?
I was actually getting a little excited--minus the whole closed aspect of the OS--about these phones. I was planing on buying one for developing purposes, but now I'm not even sure about that with this new snip-it of news.
I wish it wasn't true, but Microsoft would have sent a correction email to Engadget if it had been a false statement by one of their people.
Truly a disappointment.

SOULd OUT said:
I've been trying to to bag on the new WinPho7 OS but, seriously? iPhone much?
I was actually getting a little excited--minus the whole closed aspect of the OS--about these phones. I was planing on buying one for developing purposes, but now I'm not even sure about that with this new snip-it of news.
I wish it wasn't true, but Microsoft would have sent a correction email to Engadget if it had been a false statement by one of their people.
Truly a disappointment.
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Read 2 post above you.

Copy and paste will maybe NEVER be included!
Read this load of BULL**** from a Microsoft official:
"We don't enable copy and paste and we do that very intentionally," Windows Phone executive Todd Brix said in an interview.
Brix said many times when a user copies something on a phone, what they really are looking to do is take a specific action, such as calling a phone number or e-mailing an address. For those specific tasks, Microsoft has what it calls "smart linking," which lets a user double click on a phone number and either call it or add it to the phone book. For an address, one can get a map without having to copy and paste the address.
"It's actually an intentional design decision," he said. "We try to anticipate what the user wants so copy and paste isn't necessary."
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20000585-56.html?tag=newsLatestHeadlinesArea.0

Jiyuu said:
with multitasking shown to work
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Not true. There is no multitasking.

sm3rtlag3l said:
Not true. There is no multitasking.
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then what would you call
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Jiyuu said:
then what would you call
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It is only in the emulator but will not be on phones. Maybe if you hack the phone like people do on iPhones but otherwise NO.

and you base that on?
i mean, what would be the point of a WP7S emulator if it doesn't actually well, emulate?
they'd have no reason to remove the limitation just for the Emu, and even less to have some kind different version then the actual WP7S system... as that will not make sense development wise. unless this is some kind of bug(in which case microsoft will probably notify developers of it and update the emulator) it will be really stupid to let developers build something and then find out the actual device behaves defferently.

Jiyuu said:
and you base that on?
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Official words from MS. Forget about it, there is no multitasking on the phone.
The OS itself in theory supports it, that's why it works on the emulator. But on the phone, it is forbidden.

This is bad ...

Pshhh, end users don't really need copy and paste.
What a stupid move

If this is true, does it mean MS will pay Apple royalties for the feature of providing no copy and paste at launch? Or will apple go after the thieves at MS who stole the idea?

see my opinion on missing copy & paste here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=647761

I9000 or HTC HD2

Hi all,
Im facing a weird decision... well not weird as almost 50-50 split and it makes me feel queasy .
Should i opt for the Galaxy S (Android) or the HTC HD 2?
The Galaxy S has 1 GHz processor 512 Ram Full HD video recording and a SEXY screen... damn it looked nice in the demo . However (and this does drive me crazy) there is no LED flash. I dont know WHY there isnt but there isnt. God, I hate it when manufacturers do that. They leave out one fiddly feature for no reason whatsoever.
Anyhoo the HTC HD 2 HAS a flash it has WinMo upgradeable to WinMo 7. Snapdragon (I love that name) processor but the Galaxy S out performs it easily in terms of graphics. Should I take the leap into Android (I really really want to see how well it works especially since its got such an amazing developer community) or stick with WinMo and the HTC HD2? I know i havent mentioned many pros of the HD2 but thats because it shares most of them with the Galaxy. To be honest the only pro is that its an interface im familiar with. However, would all of you people who have taken the step from winMo to android tell me whether it was worth it or not?
Thanks

Leo with WM all the way!

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Leo with WM all the way!
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Why would you say that?

Lol!!!!android! Shouldn't even b a choice! NO COMPARISON
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App

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Why would you say that?
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Because WM is a more mature and solid OS with thousand of customizations and free apps, android is immature and young and is not business oriented, also google will be in control of all your data...
All above of course is just my personal opinion

What do you mean google has access to all your data? :S really? they can see my messages and such information? I find that very surprising.

Read Is google stealing things off my phone? thread and make your own conclusions...
It's Google, they live and survive off your information!
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In terms of modern UI, stability and handling Android is way more mature then anything WM can offer. Unless you have some mission critical software which only runs on WM there is no sane reason to keep using it. Besides HD2 wont have any official ports for WP7. Android offers a stable, consistent user interface with plenty of customization options out of the box and tons of free available software. Hardly anybody bothers to produce new software for WM, meanwhile the Android eco system is brimming with life. I switched from a X1 which I tried with various custom roms to a Desire and it's just no comparison. If you're not hardcore attached to WM, I'm certain Android is the way better choice.
Google will only have your data, if you're using their mail/messenger/etc. services. You're free to use different ones.

orb3000 said:
Read Is google stealing things off my phone? thread and make your own conclusions...
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Google has removed once test-apps and I'm certain that isn't what happend in the linked case. If it happens you can be sure to read in the tech news about it and not by somebody with a new account and no posts. That thread doesn't either talk about google accessing and somehow retrieving data from user phones.

Perhaps that link as you mention does not give nothing solid to the question, however, as I clearly mentioned it´s my personal opinion only...
Here more links with information:
http://gcn.com/articles/2010/05/28/did-google-collect-too-much-info-with-street-view.aspx
http://webhosting.devshed.com/c/a/Web-Hosting-Articles/Viacom-and-Google-Stealing-Your-Privacy/
http://www.wolf-howl.com/seo/google-hijackingtraffic/
http://hoytwalterhouse.com/sorry-for-stealing-information-from-google-x5067.html
Maybe you'll attract it hard to believe but we are talking about Google. Google for a long time to know a user's search application, Google Maps, where they can see photographs and videos that she has performed. Street View by specially equipped vehicles that feature the world's major cities is not registered as permanent move.
Grounds that they violate the privacy of private life, many times before Street View cars into trouble in some cities people were exposed to even the stony response rod.
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Respectfully,

orb3000 said:
Perhaps that link as you mention does not give nothing solid to the question, however, as I clearly mentioned it´s my personal opinion only...
Here more links with information:
http://gcn.com/articles/2010/05/28/did-google-collect-too-much-info-with-street-view.aspx
http://webhosting.devshed.com/c/a/Web-Hosting-Articles/Viacom-and-Google-Stealing-Your-Privacy/
http://www.wolf-howl.com/seo/google-hijackingtraffic/
http://hoytwalterhouse.com/sorry-for-stealing-information-from-google-x5067.html
Respectfully,
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I fail to see the point of a bunch of random links, which claim that google has done something wrong and none is related to Android? Do you really think MS isn't collecting massive mounts of data with their internet services as well? In contrast to many other companies google actually has the balls to go out and say that something went wrong, not trying to deny it until there is no other way.

I must say i dont really find those so convincing. So long as they arent collecting PERSONAL information (my contacts, messages etc) and its anonymous and im not getting charged for it why should it bother me? Its just usage information.
Tbh I dont find many things convincing, especially the article about the Traffic hijacking. That has to be the most ridiculous claim ive ever seen. The google bot is very advanced and it can pick out useful information like phone numbers etc. How he can make a claim that showing this information is traffic hijacking done intentionally is ridiculous. I mean doesnt it occur to the author that Google is a SEARCH engine.. part of SEARCHING means getting to the information you want. THe best search engine wouldthen presumably be the one that brings you that information as easily and as quickly as possible :S.
However, you said its just your opinion so thanks for the information but as it stands I dont find it a real threat to my decision on HTC HD2 and the Samsung Galaxy S.

I've only read the first few posts so I don't know if this has already been covered. I've been with Windows Mobile since day one and I loved it until I tried Android on the HTC Evo a month ago. BTW' I had (still do) the HD2 which I bought on a T-Mobile 2-year new contract. I flashed the HD2 with Kumars ROMs (the best ROMs for WM right here on xda). I did a lot of tweaking and installed over 130 apps on my HD2 (both paid and free apps). After an hour with the Evo, I was sold on Android and now I just have to get around to putting my HD2 on ebay. BTW' the HD2 will not be updated to Windows Phone 7 if nobody else has mentioned that here.
The HD2 is nice and slim and feels very solid just like the iPhone 4G (I'm currently testing the iPhone 4G as of yesterday, while waiting on the ATT and Verizon Galaxy versions to come out). The HD2 is a good phone and if you flash it with a ROM like Kumar's, things are pretty good on it but don't looking for the best of gaming on it because the newest and best games aren't there. Also a lot of apps won't be as nice as what you can find on the other OS's. Furthermore, a lot of older WM apps are not easy to use on the HD2 because of the lack of stylus support.
The Evo is as close as you can get to having an HD2 running Android so in other words the Evo would almost be like having your HD2 and Galaxy together. My Evo has been good but it had the raised screen issue (as well as a dead pixel and yellow streaks on white backgrounds). I wanted to just get it exchanged but Radio Shack has been all sold out. So I decided to try the iPhone which I had to jump through hoops to get it mailed to me.......
The Galaxy has a nicer screen technology and looks better so I keep reading. But from what I can see of Samsung, I think I like HTC Sense much better than TouchWhiz. Plus the design looks much better than any of the Galaxy designs as far as I'm concerned. Evo or Galaxy = good choices. HD2 = a dead OS that you'll be happy with for a minute and then you'll regret not having a newer OS.
That was my two and half cents plus tax

Help...company is moving to iphones

Hey,
I work for a large multinational(10000+ employees) that is doing the unthinkable and standardizing on iphones for all smartphones...up to now as long as you had an exchange compatible phone, it was ok....
Personally I wanted to get a new WP7 phone as I'm coming from WM.
There are possibilities around it on a case by case basis but I need some help from you guys with reasoning why the iphone would not be ideal for business(outside sales group)...
I use my wm phone right now mostly for email but also a lot for opening and modifying excel sheets and sometimes word sheets, PDF's, navigation and some audio(I use my zune HD now for that)...I don't believe with the new ios that it has native MS office integration, correct?
Any tips would be ideal so that at least I can continue with a wp7...

look for another job?

There is nothing you can do... no company will accept such a new platform as a standard, besides Dell? lol I don't know... there is PDF support, uhm exchange is there, flash will be there soon... there are devices with QWERTY keyboards(Dell Venue Pro), that might prove much more productive than a soft keyboard. WP7 is a much better business phone than iOS, however convincing that to people who who think iPhone has the most apps as pretty hard. I tried convincing some people that Android was more productive than iPhone, of course they laughed . Just present WP7 as a business phone with luxuries... another thing would be WP7 has a far more superior calendar system. Reason I wouldn't even try is because WP7 doesn't have multi-tasking or copy-paste, something I believe business users might need more than XBL :|

you don't have to convince them to send all their phones out as windows phone... just to allow you to use a windows phone correct? if that's the case, what do they see in the iPhone? do they rely on a particular application?
for the WP7 case... if your work place uses sharepoint (i'd imagine so given the numbers you showed), well WP out of the box supports that, has better office integration and functionality than any other mobile OS, even with their third party applications. Also, WP7 has exchange 2003 sp2, 2007, 2010 full support.
That in itself should be enough to say that WP can work for your work place. But yea, if there is a particular app that they need, or they created themselves... unless you're a dev and can reproduce it for WP, you may be out of luck.

So far I am actually liking the iOS better than WP7 after playing with the HD7 for 2-3 days... grrr...

Microsoft is determined to win the phone wars, or at least become one of the top 2-3 players. 500 million spent on advertising alone is no joke. I honestly think they will be pouring out updates for their OS.

As a long time Exchange admin, I'm not surprised about this. There's plenty of reason to go to iPhone--decent Exchange support, lots of apps, etc--and although those things will all eventually be true for Windows Phone 7, today only the first item is true. Right now, Windows Phone 7 is an untested platform. Can't say I blame them, though frankly I feel iOS is a very "last gen" OS compared to WP7. Still...it's a mature platform, and for business use, that's valuable.

jasongw said:
decent Exchange support
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ouw there are many things which dont work with eas + ios
http://blogs.technet.com/b/jribeiro...-windows-mobile-android-nokia-apple-palm.aspx

Also the iPhone dont have Office, but open office which you have to pay for.
So no reading docs on the go edit them and sending back.
At the Uni i work someone had the bright idea of having iphones as corp devices. They went right over my head and now when ever a iPhone goes wrong on exchange they have to send someone out to fix it.
The iPhone doesnt support everything that a windows phone does on exchange.
Lets face it WP7 sucks to, ok it does the basics but you still dont get Task sync and you need to have exchange 2010 to use all the options.

this is also a similar issue to Android. Android provides read only functionality to office facilities, even with third party applications (from what i'm aware). given this is built right into the phone, there is no added cost to the end user.
This is a clear example of what MS was talking about when they said that Android isn't really free. Sure the core is free, but to get the products that can match the quality and functionality of Windows Phone, you are really look at greater costs than what MS asks for.

Thanks guys...
Yeah, it's just to convince them for me...no chance for the company wide...I'd like to convince them for the people working for me as well but this seems unlikely although those guys probably look at getting an iphone as a coup...the decision, like many decisions at big companies, has little to do with logic and all to do with politics.
Some good info here guys...appreciate it.
I agree, right now windows phone is not even at wm level but one can assume it will be very soon.
For the iphone, do you know if those office apps allow you to edit documents?

eh, WP7 is fully intergrated with microsoft office, plus windows live ID. iOS is not. im guessing your company uses PC`s and windows rather than macs? if you want easier transitons for docs and editing them WP7 is the way to go. after all WP7 it dosnt need "an app for that"

I suspect the reason your company is moving to iPhone is because the nutjob who signs the cheque on the corporate phone strategy is an iPhone fanboi and what he says goes.
Corporate phones without a keyboard = EPIC FAIL.

Jim Coleman said:
I suspect the reason your company is moving to iPhone is because the nutjob who signs the cheque on the corporate phone strategy is an iPhone fanboi and what he says goes.
Corporate phones without a keyboard = EPIC FAIL.
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I could not have said it better....my local IT person was completely perplexed by this decision...
Agree with the keyboard thing as well...for a personal phone I've no problem without a keyboard but when you are writing upwards of a 100 emails a day...virtual keyboards suck...

I guess, the worst case is you buy a WP7 SIM free, use your work SIM and connect to EAS just like the iPhones..... Unless you are not allowed to by policy - or they have locked anything down...!?
I am using WP7 Mozart on Orange for last 2/3 weeks. I was previusly using HTC Legend. The WP7 EAS and Outlook is very good. I have two EAS accounts and a Hotmail account all sync very well.

maclemy said:
I guess, the worst case is you buy a WP7 SIM free, use your work SIM and connect to EAS just like the iPhones..... Unless you are not allowed to by policy - or they have locked anything down...!?
I am using WP7 Mozart on Orange for last 2/3 weeks. I was previusly using HTC Legend. The WP7 EAS and Outlook is very good. I have two EAS accounts and a Hotmail account all sync very well.
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The only thing I'm not sure about is that currently with my winmo phone and work we use a certificate that is put in the root(actually 2 certificates) and from what I've read right now this is not officially supported with windows phone 7 although there are work arounds...if iphones don't offer that then I guess I'd be fine anyway....
For me I'll see what I can do as I have a zune pass and definitely want the phone even for that alone but I was really hoping to use the benefits of the cloud solution of windows phone with my team (sharepoint, office,etc...)...

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this is also a similar issue to Android. Android provides read only functionality to office facilities, even with third party applications (from what i'm aware). given this is built right into the phone, there is no added cost to the end user.
This is a clear example of what MS was talking about when they said that Android isn't really free. Sure the core is free, but to get the products that can match the quality and functionality of Windows Phone, you are really look at greater costs than what MS asks for.
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Ji6 gave galaxy s full thinkfree office. You can create, edit and save files.
That depends on what phond u have though.
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so then it's carrier based software? but yea, it would then come down to manufacturer/carrier to put the added cost in somewhere to offer the same level that windows phone offers, but yes of course it can be done, not saying that, just saying that the cost will pop up somewhere, whether that be direct or not is a different story.