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Bob Cringely's blog piece. I though it worth a read, whether or not you agree.
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2008/pulpit_20081023_005500.html
He is an idiot.
Any chance we can have a cadre from XDA go to these stupid articles and make our opinion know? 200 posts saying the opposite may be clear enough. Apple always had its fanboy army, maybe Windows Mobile needs one too.
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With WIndows 7 (and Mobile 7) being very modular Operating systems...
The future belongs to companies using this as their backbone.
Espescially with the current trend of companies creating very tought out Interfaces on top of Win mobile, Win mobile will eventually trigger the right things and become the Major player in the Market next to apple.
Keep also in mind that both Intel and Nvidia are targetting their new mobile processor line at windows mobile.
Phones will grow to personall communication and entertainment devices....and Microsoft has the budget to be part of that...
Right now, the way I see it, the game is all about interface, interface, interface. Every kid, teen, tween and beyond is dazzled by a cool interface. I must admit, at 34 years old, I still am too (thank god for SPB Mobile Shell!). If WinMo can turn some heads, they can sell some phones. Right now if an impartial customer is in a store looking at an iPhone or an Android phone next to a stock WinMo phone.. I wouldn't wager that WinMo would get many takers.
WinMo is my OS of choice.. I love it for the functionality and flexibility. I do wish it were more elegant at times, though.
Sure it's a lot about interface, but what good is a phone when you have only a few hundred programs available to install? The only other choice for me would be a linux based OS.
Does anyone know the Nokia Internet Tablet devices? They are awesome and they have a huge community, but they don't sell like Apple or HTC devices. They simply coexist and WinMo will do that for a very long time, if it's called WinMo or whatever.
In the 2nd from last paragraph, he says that ipods have 85% of the music player market. In actual fact they hold about 75% of the HDD-BASED music players market, and less than 15% of the total music players market, when mp3 playing phones are included. Apple are outsold by Nokia, Sony Ericsson and LG.
he hasn't propably seen the diamond/pro interface
So we have had many fantastic high-end pieces of hardware released, such as the HTC Diamond, HD, Samsung Omnia etc
but where is the software??!
All I see these days is developement for iPhone iPhone and iPhone. Do you remember the time when you could have any software need and you KNEW there was a windows mobile app out there to do the job.
Once of WM's advantages over the orignal iPhone were the thousands of apps - now it seems iPhone development in less than a year has overtaken WM development. iPhone gets plenty of cool new apps and we are snubbed..
Example
BBC iPlayer
Sky by Mobile
(Official) Facebook
Pandora
just where are the WM versions??!! I dont think WM is considered by developers to have any future, in terms of software - iPhone is the answer, however the limitations on the device and control apple have over the iPhone users media etc rules that out.
I love WM, I love the freedom, I love the range of devices out there - I just hate to see development dry up. After all, just what is WM without 'apps'?..
sadly it seems you are right
All this is happening just because I bought a HTC Diamond about 2 months ago...
I bought a UIQ3 device back in may and what happened? UIQ died! So I guess the same will happen to WM now, I bought the Diamond because I wanted to have lots of software to play with, I guess I was wrong.
Maybe it's time for me to kill the iPhone soon? I won't buy an iPhone before 2009 at least so iPhone users can stay calm for a while
Happily, I have to respectfully disagree!
Take a closer look to the - so called - iPhone Software Application. You will soon learn that there is no real piece of software developed other than WEB APPLICATION; they do not much more but 'fitting' the content of an ONLINE SERVICE on the iPhone screen!
With Windows Mobile on the other hand, you find a daily increasing ammount of software. For example, try to find something like GARMIN MOBILE XT, SYGIC McGuider or SPB Softwarehouse application for the iPhone. LOL, just don't say Google Maps - that is - once again - an ONLINE APPLICATION!
Not noticed by many, the WINDOWS MOBILE SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT has gone different ways. Since everyone is entitled in these days to develop his own cool piece of software, there are entire communities out there, busy developing software for their own needs or helping others getting their stuff developed. Just check out the MSDN Forums for MOBILE DEVICES and you might get an impression what I am talking about.
Besides the HOBBY PROGRAMMERs developing for their own needs, even the commercial software market is releasing new application every day.
lets raise donation money for u to buy all iphone versions, and kill them, so we can have our software back
There is a cause to it. Maybe if Windows Mobile was less buggy and more user-friendly (maybe a more closed platform), it would be prevailing. But looking how little it changed in so long is a good clue of what's wrong. PalmOS pretty much died too because they never bothered giving its user anything else than barely updated Treos.
Windows Mobile won't die, but it will certainly not prevail. Nonetheless it still has its niche of developers, tweakers and do-it-all device lovers. What other mobile OS allows you to carry a photoshop clone one it?
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=4u_2bOh_2bpZw_2bi6kapzFi_2bZHw_3d_3d
answer as if there has been no customization to the phones. i have to do a report on which cellphone would be best for a business and i'm breaking it down by OS first then looking at hardware then carrier. if you have any questions or suggestions, please post.
thank you
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i have to do a business report which selects which phone would be best for businesses and sales people. i decided to look at features of each smartphone OS first because, WM has the best document editing i think, where iphone has the easiest functionality, so i would weigh the pros and cons of each OS from a business standpoint (so iphone having games means nothing, stuff like that). then after an OS is chosen, if it ends up being WM or BB, i will look into phones, which has the best hardware pretty much. then see which carrier has the best plan for that phone. and then my report would have the best OS, phone, and plan for the price all presented in a business proposal.
if you need anymore information just ask. thanks again.
looks to me that iphone is best for UI and games and music, winmo takes the rest
did the survey
Done the survey and while WM is good, BB wins hands down for mobile email and out of the box security, it was what it was designed for.
Done the survey
May I ask what is the intention of it?
If you would post the intent of the survey I'd reckon that alot more people would do it. I'll do it just for the nostalgia of school though
thanks everyone. i'll put more into the first post about what it's for.
OK, now you have explained the details a wee bit better I think it's going to end up a choice between BB and WM.
Have a look at this thread BB/WM/iPhone head to head where someone else on this forum is doing similar from a different viewpoint.
thanks. i thought it would be BB and WM without researching because iphone is more play and isn't really for work. android has all the potential to be the best, but only when the apps are developed, where BB and WM are built with business in mind.
It's going to boil down to the need to edit documents, which WM does and BB doesn't, or a very secure email platform - the BB. There is also the question of will their email be initially handled inhouse and then pushed to the handheld?
it's funny, i didn't think that BB could edit word documents, and yet most people in my survey say BB has the best MS office options.
Hi,
I need some information. How good is blackberry phone compared to recent Windows Mobile phone from HTC?
I absolutely know nothing about BB, never have one, never used one.
But I have some discussion with my friend who likes his BB very much. While on the other hand, I like my HTC Kaiser.
We have another friend who wants a new phone and asked us.
The rest you should know whats going on. I recommended those new HTC WinMo (HD, HD2, TD2, TPro2 ...), and my BB friend recommended some BB (BB bold, Gemini?).
I only know that BB user like to CHAT a lot using BB ... But thats it. And of course its corporate feature, like email, etc.
So, could you guys share your knowledge about this comparison?
Does BB has GPS? and application like TomTom?
Does the BB web browser any good?
I know probably their email client is better than WinMo?
What are the worse features in BB?
Thanks
They have good corporate e-mail and enterprise software options. You can check attachments, get onstant updates, etc. It is more secure concerning private data some people say.
It has the ugliest possible form factor for a mobile device in my opinion.
Good for journalists, businesses, etc.
HTC phones are far better for anyone else.
Hey,
I work for a large multinational(10000+ employees) that is doing the unthinkable and standardizing on iphones for all smartphones...up to now as long as you had an exchange compatible phone, it was ok....
Personally I wanted to get a new WP7 phone as I'm coming from WM.
There are possibilities around it on a case by case basis but I need some help from you guys with reasoning why the iphone would not be ideal for business(outside sales group)...
I use my wm phone right now mostly for email but also a lot for opening and modifying excel sheets and sometimes word sheets, PDF's, navigation and some audio(I use my zune HD now for that)...I don't believe with the new ios that it has native MS office integration, correct?
Any tips would be ideal so that at least I can continue with a wp7...
look for another job?
There is nothing you can do... no company will accept such a new platform as a standard, besides Dell? lol I don't know... there is PDF support, uhm exchange is there, flash will be there soon... there are devices with QWERTY keyboards(Dell Venue Pro), that might prove much more productive than a soft keyboard. WP7 is a much better business phone than iOS, however convincing that to people who who think iPhone has the most apps as pretty hard. I tried convincing some people that Android was more productive than iPhone, of course they laughed . Just present WP7 as a business phone with luxuries... another thing would be WP7 has a far more superior calendar system. Reason I wouldn't even try is because WP7 doesn't have multi-tasking or copy-paste, something I believe business users might need more than XBL :|
you don't have to convince them to send all their phones out as windows phone... just to allow you to use a windows phone correct? if that's the case, what do they see in the iPhone? do they rely on a particular application?
for the WP7 case... if your work place uses sharepoint (i'd imagine so given the numbers you showed), well WP out of the box supports that, has better office integration and functionality than any other mobile OS, even with their third party applications. Also, WP7 has exchange 2003 sp2, 2007, 2010 full support.
That in itself should be enough to say that WP can work for your work place. But yea, if there is a particular app that they need, or they created themselves... unless you're a dev and can reproduce it for WP, you may be out of luck.
So far I am actually liking the iOS better than WP7 after playing with the HD7 for 2-3 days... grrr...
Microsoft is determined to win the phone wars, or at least become one of the top 2-3 players. 500 million spent on advertising alone is no joke. I honestly think they will be pouring out updates for their OS.
As a long time Exchange admin, I'm not surprised about this. There's plenty of reason to go to iPhone--decent Exchange support, lots of apps, etc--and although those things will all eventually be true for Windows Phone 7, today only the first item is true. Right now, Windows Phone 7 is an untested platform. Can't say I blame them, though frankly I feel iOS is a very "last gen" OS compared to WP7. Still...it's a mature platform, and for business use, that's valuable.
jasongw said:
decent Exchange support
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ouw there are many things which dont work with eas + ios
http://blogs.technet.com/b/jribeiro...-windows-mobile-android-nokia-apple-palm.aspx
Also the iPhone dont have Office, but open office which you have to pay for.
So no reading docs on the go edit them and sending back.
At the Uni i work someone had the bright idea of having iphones as corp devices. They went right over my head and now when ever a iPhone goes wrong on exchange they have to send someone out to fix it.
The iPhone doesnt support everything that a windows phone does on exchange.
Lets face it WP7 sucks to, ok it does the basics but you still dont get Task sync and you need to have exchange 2010 to use all the options.
this is also a similar issue to Android. Android provides read only functionality to office facilities, even with third party applications (from what i'm aware). given this is built right into the phone, there is no added cost to the end user.
This is a clear example of what MS was talking about when they said that Android isn't really free. Sure the core is free, but to get the products that can match the quality and functionality of Windows Phone, you are really look at greater costs than what MS asks for.
Thanks guys...
Yeah, it's just to convince them for me...no chance for the company wide...I'd like to convince them for the people working for me as well but this seems unlikely although those guys probably look at getting an iphone as a coup...the decision, like many decisions at big companies, has little to do with logic and all to do with politics.
Some good info here guys...appreciate it.
I agree, right now windows phone is not even at wm level but one can assume it will be very soon.
For the iphone, do you know if those office apps allow you to edit documents?
eh, WP7 is fully intergrated with microsoft office, plus windows live ID. iOS is not. im guessing your company uses PC`s and windows rather than macs? if you want easier transitons for docs and editing them WP7 is the way to go. after all WP7 it dosnt need "an app for that"
I suspect the reason your company is moving to iPhone is because the nutjob who signs the cheque on the corporate phone strategy is an iPhone fanboi and what he says goes.
Corporate phones without a keyboard = EPIC FAIL.
Jim Coleman said:
I suspect the reason your company is moving to iPhone is because the nutjob who signs the cheque on the corporate phone strategy is an iPhone fanboi and what he says goes.
Corporate phones without a keyboard = EPIC FAIL.
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I could not have said it better....my local IT person was completely perplexed by this decision...
Agree with the keyboard thing as well...for a personal phone I've no problem without a keyboard but when you are writing upwards of a 100 emails a day...virtual keyboards suck...
I guess, the worst case is you buy a WP7 SIM free, use your work SIM and connect to EAS just like the iPhones..... Unless you are not allowed to by policy - or they have locked anything down...!?
I am using WP7 Mozart on Orange for last 2/3 weeks. I was previusly using HTC Legend. The WP7 EAS and Outlook is very good. I have two EAS accounts and a Hotmail account all sync very well.
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I guess, the worst case is you buy a WP7 SIM free, use your work SIM and connect to EAS just like the iPhones..... Unless you are not allowed to by policy - or they have locked anything down...!?
I am using WP7 Mozart on Orange for last 2/3 weeks. I was previusly using HTC Legend. The WP7 EAS and Outlook is very good. I have two EAS accounts and a Hotmail account all sync very well.
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The only thing I'm not sure about is that currently with my winmo phone and work we use a certificate that is put in the root(actually 2 certificates) and from what I've read right now this is not officially supported with windows phone 7 although there are work arounds...if iphones don't offer that then I guess I'd be fine anyway....
For me I'll see what I can do as I have a zune pass and definitely want the phone even for that alone but I was really hoping to use the benefits of the cloud solution of windows phone with my team (sharepoint, office,etc...)...
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this is also a similar issue to Android. Android provides read only functionality to office facilities, even with third party applications (from what i'm aware). given this is built right into the phone, there is no added cost to the end user.
This is a clear example of what MS was talking about when they said that Android isn't really free. Sure the core is free, but to get the products that can match the quality and functionality of Windows Phone, you are really look at greater costs than what MS asks for.
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Ji6 gave galaxy s full thinkfree office. You can create, edit and save files.
That depends on what phond u have though.
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so then it's carrier based software? but yea, it would then come down to manufacturer/carrier to put the added cost in somewhere to offer the same level that windows phone offers, but yes of course it can be done, not saying that, just saying that the cost will pop up somewhere, whether that be direct or not is a different story.