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I am extremely disappointed in the quality of my AT&T Fuze quality. The clear plastic laminate covering the soft keys at the bottom of the phone is starting to peel off after only 2 months at the HOME and BACK button corners.
This resulted in a razor sharp edge to protrude from the phone at the Home button. My wife went to answer a call and when she pulled the phone up to her face it resulted in a very deep slash to her right cheek. I was surprised on how badly my phone cut my wife. We couldn't get the bleeding to stop as it put a deep cut into the side of her face. I called AT&T and informed them of what happened and requested that they replace the phone but they say this issue is not covered under warranty. The idiot on the phone implied that I must have dropped the phone. The request to talk to his superior got me little results.
FYI...even with the $5/mo. insurance AT&T tried to tell me that I would have to pay a $125 deductible for a replacement unit. You cannot SuperGlue these corners back down without risking also gluing down the soft keys or I would have tried to fix the phone myself. I even threatened to take the 30 lines my company has with AT&T wireless (we average $150/mo per line) back to Verizon Wireless if they did not replace my phone and still they could care less.
My next move was to call HTC America this morning but they too were of no help. I was transfered to some product specialist who claimed they had no record of such an issue. So I am stuck with a very expensive phone that is falling apart.
Since AT&T was so rude and unhelpful I am taking all 30 of my employee's lines plus those of my family back to Verizon and it will be the last HTC product I buy. High performance phones but dare you have any problem I learned the hard way that AT&T nor HTC are willing to stand behind their product. I hear that the Samsung Omnia is supposed to be a great smartphone and I've had good luck with Samsung products. The Omnia lacks the VGA screen but boasts a 5MP camera...at this point I'll take if over an overpriced HTC product that begins to fail soon after purchase! I also remember how Verizon was almost always too willing to replace a quirky smartphone every time I had an issue.
I have to believe that others must be having the same defective issue with their Touch/Touch Pro/Fuze screen or soft keys peeling off. If so we need to gang up on HTC to do the right thing and replace these phones!!!
ummmm.... The "soft keys" are the virtual buttons on the screen at the bottom. The HARD KEYS are the Home and Back, etc.
I could see them warping from sun/heat, water/sweat exposure and possibly a glue failure where the edges roll/lift up.
I expect half your issue is dealing with the wrong people the wrong way. Regardless of how/why the laminate is rolling up, there should be a repair kit at some level to replace that panel... (I doubt that you could do so without disassembling the phone) HTC OEMs the phone to AT&T/Sprint/Verizon and it is AT&T/sprint/etc's responsibility... not HTC.
Call their support line and immediately ask to speak to their supervisor, get their name if they do not do so, hang up and call again until you get transferred. Explain that you have something to the effect of manufacturer's flaw and you want a REPLACEMENT or REPAIR on your relatively new phone as the way it is now it is potentially safety issue.
Arguing with the $7.00 phone reps accomplishes nothing...
more megapixels mean better!!!!
I remember dealing with customers like this at Best Buy when i worked in the Geek Squad (not a pleasant era of my life). They come in hooting and hollering off the bat and no one wants to help them. I was willing to fight for the customer %99 of the time, but when your in my face and start the conversation with "first things first" you get no where.
Try being nice to the rep, charm can get you along way. Threats get you no where in most cases. Otherwise you become that guy who is talked about later on "hey remember that jack ass this morning? yeah he though he could get what ever he wants with that big vein popping out of his head. Classic! Ha Ha"
steeler560 said:
I am extremely disappointed in the quality of my AT&T Fuze quality. The clear plastic laminate covering the soft keys at the bottom of the phone is starting to peel off after only 2 months at the HOME and BACK button corners.
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It would be nice to see some pictures. The Dpad section looks to be one solid piece of plastic, so i'm curious as to how it actually separates.
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I remember dealing with customers like this at Best Buy when i worked in the Geek Squad (not a pleasant era of my life). They come in hooting and hollering off the bat and no one wants to help them. I was willing to fight for the customer %99 of the time, but when your in my face and start the conversation with "first things first" you get no where.
Try being nice to the rep, charm can get you along way. Threats get you no where in most cases. Otherwise you become that guy who is talked about later on "hey remember that jack ass this morning? yeah he though he could get what ever he wants with that big vein popping out of his head. Classic! Ha Ha"
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Being unkind is unattractive, period. However, it's not the customer's responsibility to make you feel warm, fuzzy, and respected. When you work in customer service you're being paid money in exchange for turning angry people into not-angry people. You have to use your people skills and stop feeling so entitled. (From someone who's worked many years in customer service).
i kinda miss worded my self, i would try and work things out regardless of the attitude of the customer. I am VERY tolerant when it comes to people and i have been commented by co-workers on how well i handle things. When people become stubborn and don't listen to what you have to say is when things become difficult. If your nice i'll put a good word in to management to have a rule or two bent in your favor. I'm not saying if you act like an ass i will not help you at all, i just wont be going that extra mile.
Example, iPods. I would deal with dozens of ipods a week (and i mean 4 dozen on a good week). Some times they would be fully covered under warranty, and some times not. If it looks like your dropped it the warranty is void. Now if its not working, but has a minor dent like it was dropped, and they claim it worked post damage, then i may be able to pull a string or two to help you out. If i say it might not be covered and steam shoots out your ears and you throw it at me, well, i will tell you to leave. Telling me you will never shop at a best buy again has no effect on me. That just means i have one less jerk to deal with. I worked in one of the busiest stores in the are, and being so close to Philly and some other not so nice areas i had to deal with allot of scum bags.
What i am trying to say, be nice. It helps. What i am not saying is that i will dismiss your case if your mean or inconsiderate. If some one comes in and brightens my day, i will try and return the favor.
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It would be nice to see some pictures. The Dpad section looks to be one solid piece of plastic, so i'm curious as to how it actually separates.
I have heard about the button area rubbing on the corner of the screen and causing the laminate to come up, particular on the corner of the home key. Therese a few threads in here about that. That whole pad i believe is held in with some 2 sided tape and i think some got out with a crooked pad.
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I just hope your wife is fine now. I would second what Radimus said in the second post in this thread. Keep calling and try to reach a supervisor, who, most of the times, will understand your problem. What I have learned from speaking to AT&T reps is, that each one is different. Some are really willing to help, while others just doing the job because they have to. If the supervisor does not help, ask how you can formally lodge a complaint or file a report about your issue.
Something worth noticing is that the sales rep make notes - maybe not always, but they do - about what the customer called about and what was the result. So, deal with them in a way that would make things fall on your side in the future. I can certainly understand how frustrated you would be.
This is wired, because I thought I was the only one who's phne that happen to. I was trying to figure out what I did wrong. But now since this came up, I know it is the ATT Fuze phone this is happeing to. Maybe if some how we keep telling them they will figure it is there fault. I take very good of my phone, so I know it is next from heavy use. PLus just like you, I had it for ONLY a couple of months.
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I remember dealing with customers like this at Best Buy when i worked in the Geek Squad (not a pleasant era of my life). They come in hooting and hollering off the bat and no one wants to help them. I was willing to fight for the customer %99 of the time, but when your in my face and start the conversation with "first things first" you get no where.
Try being nice to the rep, charm can get you along way. Threats get you no where in most cases. Otherwise you become that guy who is talked about later on "hey remember that jack ass this morning? yeah he though he could get what ever he wants with that big vein popping out of his head. Classic! Ha Ha"
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Perhaps the problem with AT&T customer care is that they think just like you. Nowhere did I say I was "hooting and hollering off the bat..." I was calm and courteous that was until 1) the jackass giggled when I told him that my wife was slashed by the phone 2) I learned the representative accused me of dropping the phone and made a note on my account that I said the phone was dropped. This phone was never dropped and not once did it come up in our call so why make a note on my account that the phone was dropped? I'll tell you a lazy service rep that took the easy way out . By the time he transfer me to a manager it was no use...she immediately noticed in my account notes that the rep noted that I had dropped the phone when I never did! I think in my case I had every reason to be upset.
UPDATE: I did get AT&T to replace the Fuze but it was only when the local AT&T store called in and said that the phone was not holding it's charge. Now, the scary part. The representative on the phone who works in the warranty department asked to speak to me and said that they were shipping out a replacement Fuze. IF they find anything on the phone that they consider "physical damage" I will automatically be billed $499 on my AT&T Wireless account with no chance for refund or opportunity to dispute.
The replacement phone has not showed up yet, but I am almost tempted to send it right back in fear that I will get charged $499 for this laminate issue. How do I know that they won't call the issue "physical damage?"
I never had these issues with Verizon and am thinking about shipping the phone right back, sell my Fuze on eBay for whatever I can get for it and run back to AT&T. I also politely called and e-mailed HTC America (for those here that assume every customer has anger issues.) No reply to my e-mail or voicemail despite sharing with them photos of my wife's injury.
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NO it doesn't but if AT&T won't take care of the problem I'll switch back to Verizon and the Omina has better specs than the Verizon version of the Touch Pro...
The only thing that irks me more than people who hoot and holler is people who threaten, "If I don't get my way, I'll just switch to..." Do you actually think companies care? For every customer they lose, there are another 10 on the fence they can just convince to buy their product/sign up for their service.
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The only thing that irks me more than people who hoot and holler is people who threaten, "If I don't get my way, I'll just switch to..." Do you actually think companies care? For every customer they lose, there are another 10 on the fence they can just convince to buy their product/sign up for their service.
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The only thing that irks me more than people who hoot and holler is people who don't read a thread before replying. I never hooted or hollered at anyone, though I had every right to do so. I never "threatened" anyone at AT&T or mention pulling our phones...I know they don't care if my company leaves AT&T or they would have taken care of the issue. I just stated what my intentions were since AT&T and HTC refused to help.
Hmmm...do you work at AT&T as a Customer Care rep? Did you work Saturday afternoon? Are you that rude agent I had to work with? Darnell Walker, is that you????????
To help steer this conversation in a slightly more productive direction;
got any pictures of the damage in question? i'd just like a reference for the future if it starts popping up on my end.
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To help steer this conversation in a slightly more productive direction;
got any pictures of the damage in question? i'd just like a reference for the future if it starts popping up on my end.
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I will be sure to get you a few pics in the morning...thanks!
SUE!!!!!! I would sue HTC and or AT&T for the injury to your wife. Then once you get what you want out of them, then switch to Verizon.
i should prolly take pictures of mine. its doing the same thing. its very slight but very pokey. if you slide you finger across it, it stabs you.
I wouldnt really worry about AT&T billing you for the damaged phone. I probably did 3 or 4 warranty replacements over the last few years and ALL of the phones looked like they went through hell. My tilt didnt align properly and had paint chipping everywhere, also a lot of spots where it kissed the concrete. They took it back just fine.
SUE Them and Look for Overseeing Agencies.
You should sue them. Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........
You have a case here if you did not dropped the phone.
You can find direct contact to the president or regional manager (you need to insist and insist, it is not going to be easy, all the down line will tell you they can help, just don't loose your time and talk to the BIG GUYS), and ask for a meeting, once you show evidence they WILL REPLACE IT.
JUST write down the date you first NOTICED THEM about the issue, so they CANNOT say that you did not in TIME.
IF you CANNOT succeed, then I'M SURE AS HELL there's GOT TO BE an AGENCY where you can COMPLAIN ABOUT THEM (Like FCC or Whatever that will put them Penalties, and at that time they WILL BEG YOU to PLEASE let them REPLACE IT for YOU) and you will see how fast they will move.
I've Been Manager and Owner of my Own Business, Contracts, ETC. since 17, I hope my experience HELP YOU on HOW to CLAIM your RIGHTS as a CONSUMER.
AND REMEMBER TO BE GOOD and SOFT with your words, LOOK like as Responsible and Professional you can be.
Take Care.
the actual phone's laminate is coming off??? or are u guys talking about the included screen protector that doesnt seem to like to stick onto the phone around the corners.
I had to snip my screen protector with a nail clipper to keep it from ruining my pants. it started rolling back and became quite sharp.
I've owned a series of HTC phones, largely because of the great resource this forum represents. But I think I've bought my last one.
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In late December, I got a TP2 as a gift. The unit was new, sealed packaging, the works. T-Mobile branded and locked, but that was OK because I had service with Tmo.
When I got the phone, it was almost impossible to hear anyone on a phone call with the built in speaker. Playing music or other speakerphone activities were fine, but trying to use my ear against the phone didn't work. There are lots of postings about this, but none of the software or config changes worked for me. Tmo refused to support the phone in any way, since I wasn't the original buyer. Even though the phone had only just been released, and had to be under warranty. So I sent the phone to HTC for repair.
Two weeks later I get the phone back, and it still has the problem! Called HTC, and finally found out that they had replaced the antenna! Say What? How is that supposed to raise the volume? I also discovered that they had changed the phone's serial number and the IMEI! I suspect that means they swapped the motherboard, but no one would admit that, and it didn't fix the problem.
So I sent it back to HTC again. Another two weeks, and it comes back. Not in an HTC box with form-fit packing, but what looks like a recycled box that had been used a couple of times. Now the sound works, but there are two faint, light blue smudges in the screen, visible against white backgrounds. Fingerprints? Call HTC again, get another RMA, off to the post office again.
I get confirmation from the post office that the box has been delivered. No word from HTC. After a week, I call them, and finally get told they are trying to decide if they will repair the phone, since obviously I damaged it! I blow a fuse, since I haven't had the phone in my possession long enough to damage it! Ask to speak to the supervisor (Brian Harris) by name. Too many calls to HTC. He agrees that the phone has been in the shop longer than in my hands, and agrees to get it fixed.
Another week goes by. Another call to HTC. No one knows whats happening. All I can find out is that somebody is working on it, but no one knows who, what they are doing, or when I will get the phone back.
I thought getting a new phone was a good thing. I didn't expect to get a box of grief and a huge waste of time.
Tried to find someone at HTC to complain/escalate to, but HTC doesn't seem to have any customer relations contacts or feedback addresses listed anywhere.
Anyone have any suggestion for escalation or otherwise dealing with HTC?
So I exchanged my G2X yesterday and brought the new phone yesterday. Unfortunately, the store where I exchanged is a kiosk in a mall so I couldn't really test for bleeding; however, when I got home the bleeding was worse on the replacement. Has anyone spoken with T-Mobile about this? I am thinking of waiting for new shipments to be sent out and then using the warranty rather than returning the phone (the store refunded me and charged me again, which is kind of a pain when keeping track of credit card balance). Any advice? Does anyone have a phone with absolutely no backlight bleeding?
I'm heading out right now to exchange my first one. I'll let you know how lucky I get.
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So I exchanged my G2X yesterday and brought the new phone yesterday. Unfortunately, the store where I exchanged is a kiosk in a mall so I couldn't really test for bleeding; however, when I got home the bleeding was worse on the replacement. Has anyone spoken with T-Mobile about this? I am thinking of waiting for new shipments to be sent out and then using the warranty rather than returning the phone (the store refunded me and charged me again, which is kind of a pain when keeping track of credit card balance). Any advice? Does anyone have a phone with absolutely no backlight bleeding?
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i got my original from the "pre-order" so i only could get one in the mail... sense it was a known issue they sent me a NEW G2x while i was still using the first one i got.... waived shipping all that.... (didnt have to send original one in before they sent another)
when i got it yesterday i noticed on bootup that its worse than my original...
they said it is a know LG issue and will be UNDER WARRANTY...
i am returning the worst one.... and will wait for the fix (if LG ever fix's it)
in that case you can use the warranty of the phone to get a "refurb" witch might be fixed if it was sent in for back light bleeding...
thats what im gonna do
Yes, I mean this is simply not acceptable.
Would a problem like this be acceptable on the iPhone? No. people would go ape nuts.
If you don't make a stink about this and return the phones with the bad backlights, you are actually making the problem worse by not getting the bad units back to LG.
Are there devices out there without the issue? Or does every device have it and some are worse than others?
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Yes, I mean this is simply not acceptable.
Would a problem like this be acceptable on the iPhone? No. people would go ape nuts.
If you don't make a stink about this and return the phones with the bad backlights, you are actually making the problem worse by not getting the bad units back to LG.
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EXACTLY!
i have two phones one that i got originally and one they sent me..... both have BAD backlight bleeding but the newst (dated 4/19/11) is the worst!
CSR from Tmo said they have made it aware to LG that there is a major problem and ive herd almost 60% of the G2x users have called in about this issue..... some not as bad as others but the few ive seen and the two ive had i can tell you the only way to get it fixed is by sending the "defective" device back to tmobile to get it sent to LG for the to refurbish it!
hopefully within the next month or two all of the junk ones are fixed and i can get one with none... but for now i guess ill deal with the less visible of the two
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Are there devices out there without the issue? Or does every device have it and some are worse than others?
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Take a look at my first phone here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050691
It was really bad. I went back the the t-mobile store and they let me replace it although they said this was the LAST time they would allow it and if I got a dud or one that was worse I just had to live with it. I took the chance and asked for a replacement and WOW I got lucky. I have hardly any screen bleeding at all. I mean its not perfect like the samsung vibrant or iphone because it is so slightly lighter on the very top of the screen however its not noticable at all anymore unless the screen is pitch black and there are no lights on at all in the room. I mean it has to be straight pitch black to see any bleeding (if you even want to call it bleeding). So basically YES, I exchanged it and got a good one. I was worried I would just get another dud but Im glad I took the time to do it.
I will say the manager at the store was a little weird. She said there hasnt been a single complaint about this and I was worried over nothing. However another guy that worked at the store said there have been over 20 complaints just to that store since friday. Weird how they are changing the storry up. Kinda shady.
I'm not going back to the store, this is going to be handled through CS. I am don't want to have to refund then repurchase the phone. Anyway, they can't tell you that you can't exchange, you have 14 days.
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Take a look at my first phone here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050691
I will say the manager at the store was a little weird. She said there hasnt been a single complaint about this and I was worried over nothing. However another guy that worked at the store said there have been over 20 complaints just to that store since friday. Weird how they are changing the storry up. Kinda shady.
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Probably each store trying to cover their ass and not want to be sending a lot of units back lest they look bad to corporate. Don't let them push you around like that! That's unacceptable, this is an iphone class device--nobody would accept a defect like this on an iphone.
I just tweeted to @tmobile about this and encourage others to do too.
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Take a look at my first phone here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050691
It was really bad. I went back the the t-mobile store and they let me replace it although they said this was the LAST time they would allow it and if I got a dud or one that was worse I just had to live with it. I took the chance and asked for a replacement and WOW I got lucky. I have hardly any screen bleeding at all. I mean its not perfect like the samsung vibrant or iphone because it is so slightly lighter on the very top of the screen however its not noticable at all anymore unless the screen is pitch black and there are no lights on at all in the room. I mean it has to be straight pitch black to see any bleeding (if you even want to call it bleeding). So basically YES, I exchanged it and got a good one. I was worried I would just get another dud but Im glad I took the time to do it.
I will say the manager at the store was a little weird. She said there hasnt been a single complaint about this and I was worried over nothing. However another guy that worked at the store said there have been over 20 complaints just to that store since friday. Weird how they are changing the storry up. Kinda shady.
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well calling into customer service and talking to a "android specialist" (lol)
they know its a issue.... EVEN IF THEY SAID AT THE STORE THAT YOU CAN ONLY EXCHANGE IT ONCE.... it will be covered under the warranty.... so if it starts coming back.... get a hold of CUSTOMER LOYALTY! they will fix you up nice
(ive had over 4 vibrants sent to me and now 2 different G2x's...... they stand behind there product like a real company should!)
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well calling into customer service and talking to a "android specialist" (lol)
they know its a issue.... EVEN IF THEY SAID AT THE STORE THAT YOU CAN ONLY EXCHANGE IT ONCE.... it will be covered under the warranty.... so if it starts coming back.... get a hold of CUSTOMER LOYALTY! they will fix you up nice
(ive had over 4 vibrants sent to me and now 2 different G2x's...... they stand behind there product like a real company should!)
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No I agree. One reason I stand behind t-mobile so much is because of their amazing customer service. That manager was the first and only time I have ever felt like they were not doing everything they could to make me happy lol.
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Probably each store trying to cover their ass and not want to be sending a lot of units back lest they look bad to corporate. Don't let them push you around like that! That's unacceptable, this is an iphone class device--nobody would accept a defect like this on an iphone.
I just tweeted to @tmobile about this and encourage others to do too.
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A completely agree with you there. This would be all over the news, newspapers, internet and radio if it was an iphone. To be honest, I think this phone is even a whole class above the iphone. Only think iphone has even remotely in the same league is its display and even then id still chose this oh so slightly less quality 4" over their supperior 3.5" Im sure LG will do something about this and fix all their NEW phones but I honestly think us early adopters are probably stuck with the problem. I doubt they will do a recall on all devices sold with the defect.
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A completely agree with you there. This would be all over the news, newspapers, internet and radio if it was an iphone. To be honest, I think this phone is even a whole class above the iphone. Only think iphone has even remotely in the same league is its display and even then id still chose this oh so slightly less quality 4" over their supperior 3.5" Im sure LG will do something about this and fix all their NEW phones but I honestly think us early adopters are probably stuck with the problem. I doubt they will do a recall on all devices sold with the defect.
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well to recall all of the phones that where sent out is not gonna happen way WAY to much money... but if LG does fix the issue and comes out with a REVAMPED G2x ill bet all my money that the people who got the "defectives" will be able to get the new one at little to no cost (maybe just a restock fee or shipping charge)
as it was not our fault that we wanted a device and got a defective one....
kinda like the whole moto cliq thing that happened
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...I'm sure LG will do something about this and fix all their NEW phones but I honestly think us early adopters are probably stuck with the problem. I doubt they will do a recall on all devices sold with the defect.
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I doubt they will do a recall either, but you still have the right to return within 14 days or exercise your warranty.
I am calling CS to see what they suggest - i.e., should I return the device or wait for new devices to be released and exercise my warranty.
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I doubt they will do a recall either, but you still have the right to return within 14 days or exercise your warranty.
I am calling CS to see what they suggest - i.e., should I return the device or wait for new devices to be released and exercise my warranty.
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honestly if you got it from a store try to exchange it for a less noticeable bleeding screen (if thats your only issue)
if you got it online/phone order
call customer service and ask to speak to CUSTOMER LOYALTY
when you get to the loyalty department STRESS you dont want to go "days without a phone" and they will set a new order up for a NEW G2x not a refurb!
id do the exchange before the 14day just to try to get a "better" device
only exercise your warranty down the road... (a few months from now)
but make sure when you call you make it know that its a "issue" so they put that your unhappy in your account memos for later down the road when you do want to use the warranty!
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Take a look at my first phone here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050691
It was really bad. I went back the the t-mobile store and they let me replace it although they said this was the LAST time they would allow it and if I got a dud or one that was worse I just had to live with it. I took the chance and asked for a replacement and WOW I got lucky. I have hardly any screen bleeding at all. I mean its not perfect like the samsung vibrant or iphone because it is so slightly lighter on the very top of the screen however its not noticable at all anymore unless the screen is pitch black and there are no lights on at all in the room. I mean it has to be straight pitch black to see any bleeding (if you even want to call it bleeding). So basically YES, I exchanged it and got a good one. I was worried I would just get another dud but Im glad I took the time to do it.
I will say the manager at the store was a little weird. She said there hasnt been a single complaint about this and I was worried over nothing. However another guy that worked at the store said there have been over 20 complaints just to that store since friday. Weird how they are changing the storry up. Kinda shady.
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A store can't tell you that you can't return something anymore if your still within the time given by that company. If that store gives you any more problems then just go to a different one. I exchanged my G2X's at 2 different stores with no problems. I would have told that manager to go **** herself. It's not her phone and she doesn't have to live with it.
On the T-Mobile community site someone is reporting that they were denied an exchange because the "floor model" had bleeding issues and thus they all must have bleeding issues:
I can't post the link because I'm a noob.
Wow, so far both of the reps i've called have no idea what the screen bleeding issue is, when i try to explain to them they just don't understand
So trying my luck again later today..
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Wow, so far both of the reps i've called have no idea what the screen bleeding issue is, when i try to explain to them they just don't understand
So trying my luck again later today..
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are you talking to a regular rep?
if so ask to be sent to ANDROID TROUBLESHOOTING!
a customer service rep will not know any issues or problems with devices only the "android specialists" will!
This is some bull****. I had to convince the store rep today to let me exchange my first bad one. Now this new G2x is much much worse. I think the only option right now is to return the phone and wait a month or more for LG and T-Mobile to get their **** straight. I don't care what anyone at the store or here says about bleeding and to just "deal with it it's not that bad." I will keep exchanging until I get one that has no problems. They rushed this phone, not me. I would have been fine waiting another month for the G2x to release if it meant we all wouldn't have these stupid bleeding issues.
Returning your G2x for a replacement, because of the so called "bleeding screen display", "reboot","wifi" and/or "battery" problem is ridiculous. Let me tell you why.
First of all, the "screen bleeding" is common to the G2x, and seems to be a feature tied to it's screen brightness settings. You can do this by downloading the hidden camera app which gives you a blank/black screen display and when it does you'll notice the so called "screen bleed" on both of the upper corners, because the G2x has different levels of brightness and when it drops from the max setting to medium the screen bleed will disappear, and then from their the screen shuts off. I believe the screen was meant to bleed this way on highest brightness setting, and is not a flaw that many think.
Second, the reboot is a bug that can be fixed with a software update. Like any computer sometimes to many processes can lock up the CPU and you need to wait until it can recover itself, the reboot is a feature that happens when the system can't recover the normal way, so this is just a bug that needs to be updated.
Third, I also thought I had the wifi problem since I couldn't connect at home, I downloaded wifi analyzer, and then I realized that I was entering a wrong password. After having entered the right password I now don't have this problem. Maybe ppl who are might try going back and checking to see if they entered the right password to access their wifi.
The battery problem is real, but I believe it can be remedied by doing a few tweaks to the activity of searching for data signals and turning off the radio when it's not needed. The first day I couldn't 8 hours out of the G2x, even just leaving my phone idle without touching it. The battery draining on standby is do to it searching for the data signals, so I remedied this by installing auto airplane mode which turns of data when the screen shuts off and turns it back on when you turn on the screen again. This worked wonders for me, since before when I went to work my phone would be at 30% after an 8 hour shift without me even having used the phone, but with auto airplane mode enabled, after an 8 hour shift I now have 70% battery still left even when I use the phone heavily on my breaks. I'm pretty sure we can get more hours of usage from the phone by tweaking the programs on it.
Ok finally and this is the biggest reason not to keep returning the phone for a new replacement. My last phone from Tmobile was the HTC Shadow which I just upgraded to this G2x, the battery was crap, just like this one, it did have a wifi problem but there was really no lcd problems until later. Let me explain why. You see back then (4 years ago) Tmobile did not charge for shipping out a new replacement, but many of us Shadow owners abused the system, by always asking for a replacement phone within our 1 year warranty. I myself am guilty of trading my shadow in for more than 11 replacements within the year, even though it was in good shape and had no problems. I just wanted a "mint" condition one, but as the year went on and I got the 7th, 8th, 9th etc replacement, the quality of the Shadow was downgraded. The newer batch of Shadows had a noticeable downgrade in the lcd and build, and for the very first time, Tmobile actually said they'd have to charge a $10 shipping fee. I don't doubt that this new policy was because we Shadow owners we're abusing the system and sending in our functional handset for a replacement, just to have a mint condition one. I used to go to a Shadow forum where all the members were returning there's many times for a replacement just like how this forum community seems to be doing.
Now if we understand this history, then looking at how many G2x owners already sent their functional, albeit "buggy" G2x handsets in for a new replacement, I guarantee you that the next couple batches of G2x will be of lower quality and Tmobile might even up the cost for an exchange or add additional fees by changing their return policy because of the perceived abuse. Make no mistake, Tmobile and LG are losing a ton of money for each new G2x being returned for another one, when the "problems" are minor or actually probably a feature (screen bleed) or bug (reboot, wifi).
I'm putting this out there, because I find that this is a solid high powered phone that just needs to work out the bugs with updates to the software, but if we keep making Tmobile or LG lose money on this model, then they'll cease production on the phone and just refurbish those handsets that were sent in for a replacement, maybe with lower quality parts, and use those to replace our G2x in the future, when they really DO need to be replaced within the coming year.
How about making bullet points, and keeping these massive paragraphs short.
So, you're a T-Mobile employee that has been sitting on this account for 4 years?
ETA: Most of the issues you've outlined are in fact just growing pains/glitches that will eventually be corrected. However, the light bleed issue is one of very poor quality control or defective manufacturing techniques. It does not only happen on high brightness, and it is unacceptable for a high end device from a name brand maker. LG seems to be having some serious issues with their IPS panels, not just in the G2x but also on the panels the make for some of the iPads. We have not heard the last of this problem, and I suspect it will cost LG a bundle in the end, both in terms of money and reputation.
@bighulk666 After typing this out, I was not about to spend another hour editing it. As long as I've articulated my thougts, it's good enough.
@spyvie This is my second G2x, since I made a mistake with the first one. I bought the first one at the Tmobile store which was an upgrade and came out to $286, I then found out I could have gotten it for $125 at another subcontracted cell phone dealer, and that's why I returned the first one. But the first one had the same light bleed, in the same 2 upper corners as the one I have now. Also most if not all G2x owners are reporting this so called screen bleed so I'm sure it was probably manufactured this way on purpose, but if it is a flaw, it's very minor. It's like returning a brand new car you just bought because you notice a 1 inch scratch on the paint job.
LG and T-Mobile both have acknowledged that this is a mfg defect. I have two emails from LG confirming this.
Adjusting the brightness to maximum only enhances the "problem". I doubt LG meant for it to be a "feature".
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@bighulk666 After typing this out, I was not about to spend another hour editing it. As long as I've articulated my thougts, it's good enough.
@spyvie This is my second G2x, since I made a mistake with the first one. I bought the first one at the Tmobile store which was an upgrade and came out to $286, I then found out I could have gotten it for $125 at another subcontracted cell phone dealer, and that's why I returned the first one. But the first one had the same light bleed, in the same 2 upper corners as the one I have now. Also most if not all G2x owners are reporting this so called screen bleed so I'm sure it was probably manufactured this way on purpose, but if it is a flaw, it's very minor. It's like returning a brand new car you just bought because you notice a 1 inch scratch on the paint job.
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No, it's like returning a brand new car you just bought because there is a one inch crack in 2 or 3 corners of the windshield. Under certain conditions the cracks genuinely impede your view of the road, and replacing the windshield is impossible or would cost more than the car is worth.
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@bighulk666 After typing this out, I was not about to spend another hour editing it. As long as I've articulated my thougts, it's good enough.
@spyvie This is my second G2x, since I made a mistake with the first one. I bought the first one at the Tmobile store which was an upgrade and came out to $286, I then found out I could have gotten it for $125 at another subcontracted cell phone dealer, and that's why I returned the first one. But the first one had the same light bleed, in the same 2 upper corners as the one I have now. Also most if not all G2x owners are reporting this so called screen bleed so I'm sure it was probably manufactured this way on purpose, but if it is a flaw, it's very minor. It's like returning a brand new car you just bought because you notice a 1 inch scratch on the paint job.
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I sure hope your field of work doesn't include QA.
However, I believe every QA department in any company would love to have customers like you.
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I sure hope your field of work doesn't include QA.
However, I believe every QA department in any company would love to have customers like you.
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Okay maybe G2x has some minor problems, the whole point I'm trying to make with the thread is that the more people who keep returning a fairly brand new out of the box G2x just hoping they'll recieve a "perfect" one, is gonna make Tmobile and LG lose alot of money on this phone that has a lot of potential, and that will force them to cut their losses and drop this phone all together without even giving it a chance.
I'm telling what I witnessed with this same situation happening with the Tmobile Shadow. Tmobile had a great return and exchange policy until the Shadow community abused it, since then they changed it and now it costs shipping and your noted on their system for each time you do a return or exchange marking you as a "problem" customer, that they'll now give you the "run arounds" and make it more difficult for you to get an exchange or return. And as for the phone, because of all the complaints and returns, they'll just cease production on it and just use the rest of the stock for exchanges, when that runs out quick, they'll give you low quality refurbished ones. It's just gonna be a lose situation for all the G2x owners who want to make this phone succeed.
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Okay maybe G2x has some minor problems, the whole point I'm trying to make with the thread is that the more people who keep returning a fairly brand new out of the box G2x just hoping they'll recieve a "perfect" one, is gonna make Tmobile and LG lose alot of money on this phone that has a lot of potential, and that will force them to cut their losses and drop this phone all together without even giving it a chance.
I'm telling what I witnessed with this same situation happening with the Tmobile Shadow. Tmobile had a great return and exchange policy until the Shadow community abused it, since then they changed it and now it costs shipping and your noted on their system for each time you do a return or exchange marking you as a "problem" customer, that they'll now give you the "run arounds" and make it more difficult for you to get an exchange or return. And as for the phone, because of all the complaints and returns, they'll just cease production on it and just use the rest of the stock for exchanges, when that runs out quick, they'll give you low quality refurbished ones. It's just gonna be a lose situation for all the G2x owners who want to make this phone succeed.
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I think this should've been your OP, shorter and straight to the point. I agree with you on the refurb replacement if T-Mobile runs out of stock, because LG actually told me to go read the G2x manual as it specifically states that if they can't repair a defect (that is totally their fault mind you) then they can only exchange it for a refurb and not a brand new phone.
Personally after my experience with LG's customer service department I will probably not buy another LG product that carries a premium price tag.
This thread reeks of desperation. Describing the threat of a possible doomsday scenario where T-Mobile completely drops support for the phone unless customers are loyal and compliant only increases the chance I will return my G2x.
The battery issue is just that an issue. My first g2x got at most 8hrs of standby and a little use. But my 2nd and 3rd are pushing 16hrs with moderate use, everything left on and screen at 100%.
The point is for $500 I shouldn't be forced to turn things off to get at least a half day of battery on it.
As for your idea of just accepting how else is LG and T-Mobile going to acknowledge this phone has issues and their paying customers won't stand for it.
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I believe the screen was meant to bleed this way on highest brightness setting, and is not a flaw that many think.
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I lol'd. stop reading after that.
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I lol'd. stop reading after that.
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You should keep reading... this guy obviously works for T-Mo and his message is a little alarming.
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Okay maybe G2x has some minor problems, the whole point I'm trying to make with the thread is that the more people who keep returning a fairly brand new out of the box G2x just hoping they'll recieve a "perfect" one, is gonna make Tmobile and LG lose alot of money on this phone that has a lot of potential, and that will force them to cut their losses and drop this phone all together without even giving it a chance.
I'm telling what I witnessed with this same situation happening with the Tmobile Shadow. Tmobile had a great return and exchange policy until the Shadow community abused it, since then they changed it and now it costs shipping and your noted on their system for each time you do a return or exchange marking you as a "problem" customer, that they'll now give you the "run arounds" and make it more difficult for you to get an exchange or return. And as for the phone, because of all the complaints and returns, they'll just cease production on it and just use the rest of the stock for exchanges, when that runs out quick, they'll give you low quality refurbished ones. It's just gonna be a lose situation for all the G2x owners who want to make this phone succeed.
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I told you this would happen with all the unneccessary returns and exchanges because yall choose to dwell on a tiny imperfection such as the "screen" bleed which is a commonality on LCD screens, even high end computers have it, and now we see the G2x already being given away for free, a sign that Tmobile is just trying to cut their losses and make a buck with contracts on this model. I won't post the links of where you can find it dirt cheap and even free, but I'm pretty sure many on this forum already know, and I can guarantee that it was because of all the exchanges and returns. But what really get's under my skin is the change in policy for restocking fees. Again it can't be a coincidence that it recently changed especially with all the G2x returns/exchanges being posted all over the net. Here's news on the new return/restock policy :/
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/05/t-mobile-changing-restocking-fees-now-based-on-device/
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First of all many people return the device BC you walk into a store and many of the reps have no info but .. lets do a factory reset... and when that wont work they just tell u to exchange it ... that's what happen to me.
Second if Tmobile is marking ur account for other future reps to just give u run around just BC u complaint that ur phone that u paid 500 Buck for or secured them a 99.99 monthly bill for the next 2 year that's illegal as its fishing.... sorry if I expect to get what I pay for...
I have bought mytouch 4g,vibrant,HD 7, g2, touch pro 2 all full retail price and NEVER had a bleed.
Reboot ANYTHING I've had Tmobile for over 7 years an never file a complaint or problem till now so its a problem
MOST IMPORTANT IF LCD BLEED WAS SO COMON THEN Y IS THIS THE ONLY PHONE WITH A TON OF THREAD JUST ABOUT LCD BLEED... U DONT SEE A MYTOUCH,VIBRANT,SGS4G, IPHONE4 .... THEREADS WITH LCD BLEED
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MOST IMPORTANT IF LCD BLEED WAS SO COMON THEN Y IS THIS THE ONLY PHONE WITH A TON OF THREAD JUST ABOUT LCD BLEED... U DONT SEE A MYTOUCH,VIBRANT,SGS4G, IPHONE4 .... THEREADS WITH LCD BLEED
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Vibrant doesn't use an LCD. Moot point.
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I don't understand the loyalty some people are having to a hunk of plastic. It's a prime example cognitive dissonance over a $500 purchase. It's a flawed phone, regardless of whether it's hardware or software flaws.
Since I left it for another phone, I haven't had to make a single excuse for my new phone. That's what $500 should buy you, the happiness of not having to give excuses as to why your phone does this or that or why you have to turn this off for that to work, etc.
imo, if the unit has issues, which it does LG should just man up and fix it, those that got early failed unit, should get replacements
I paid full retail for mine, and tried to get a replacement, and they acted like they had never heard of any of the issues.
Tmobile is a good company customer service wise, but the early batches were just not up to par for $500 electronics
and that new $50 restocking fee for smartphones is also not very cool also
I wish I had the luck like some of the people here who were able to trade in two and three phones till they got a good one
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imo, if the unit has issues, which it does LG should just man up and fix it, those that got early failed unit, should get replacements
I paid full retail for mine, and tried to get a replacement, and they acted like they had never heard of any of the issues.
Tmobile is a good company customer service wise, but the early batches were just not up to par for $500 electronics
and that new $50 restocking fee for smartphones is also not very cool also
I wish I had the luck like some of the people here who were able to trade in two and three phones till they got a good one
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I got a replacement when the "factory reset" would not solve the problem (problem with stock camera and EB leaked GB generic camera - dark photos without constantly upping the white balance and very dark screen on barcode scanner and other similar apps).
However, I am now going to return the new unit, as I got the original going OK, and reinstalling some apps like purchased GPS program is a hassle,, and the original unit is only 1 month old. The issues with other scanner apps may be an issues with the unit (same on replacement), but they all work OK on EB 1.0.4 so going to stay with it.
Wish I could ship off to someone who really needs it, but am running up against their 7 day return policy (tomorrow it has to be shipped). It also came with a prepaid UPS sticker for the return.
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I got a replacement when the "factory reset" would not solve the problem (problem with stock camera and EB leaked GB generic camera - dark photos without constantly upping the white balance and very dark screen on barcode scanner and other similar apps).
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This is actually a known issue involving the brightness level. If set wrong, it causes apps that use the camera to look dark.
For those of you that had your g2x replaced by T-mobile (they sent you a replacement via ups with a prepaid return label), was your replacement:
1) new or refurbished
2) if refurbished, did it physically appear new or used
3) was the replacement any better in terms of less screen bleed, random reboots, freezing up, gps lock, etc?
They sent me a phone without a battery and rear cover. I'm pretty sure it was new. The manufacture date was later than my first (bought on release day). The screen bleed was better than my first one. I still get reboots and my gps doesn't get a lock. Funny thing was the gps worked like magic the first day I used my replacement G2X.
i've replace mine in two occasion.. both of them is new.. the first one came without screen bleed, but when i turn it on, it reboot call tmobile right away because i was angry. however while waiting for anogher one. it never reboot again. Second, little screen bleed but everything is perfect..
Mine was new and perfect 10/10 no problems and I'm super happy. Was having second thoughts about switching to the sensation but really glad I was able to get the replacement its amazing!
Wow...I called T-mobile last night at 5pm central time, and my replacement phone is on the UPS truck out for delivery right now. Way beyond my expectation.
Now let's see how the replacement phone is. I hope I have as much luck as you guys did.
Mine was probably a refurbished, but I don't know for sure. It's MUCH better, no random reboots, far less screen bleed, and while the gps isn't instant it's a bit faster.
I was satisfied with the replacement, and it was my first and only one.
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I thought I killed my original 4/20 G2x and ordered a replacement. I ended up fixing my original, luckily because the replacement had NASTY screen bleed.
It just arrived. My old SN was 104KPDT, and the new SN is 106KPQJ...I'm assuming newer build. I rooted right away and nvflashed because in clockwork is where my screenbleed was at it's worst (black screen), so I wanted to get in there as soon as possible for comparison.
New phone has no screen bleed to speak of. I believe my old phone got worse over time, so I will have to see if this holds up in the weeks to come.
So don't let em tell you they can't replace your phone for screen bleed because any replacement will have the same problem...I can tell you first hand that they are wrong.
edit: Also, I did tell the retentions rep on the phone that although my phone had these problems to start with, they did get worse after I dropped my phone on the parking lot and damaged the case. Maybe it was due, in part, to the manner with which I presented myself, but they sent out the replacement, knowing that I had been at least partly responsible. And my conscience is clear. I have to be honest with you, I was very resistant to allow them to send me a replacement because of the numerous posts I read on this forum about getting dinged up, scratched up, used phones that were worse than they had to start with. I suppose I am lucky. I'm very sorry for those of you with that experience.