Returning your G2x for a replacement, because of the so called "bleeding screen display", "reboot","wifi" and/or "battery" problem is ridiculous. Let me tell you why.
First of all, the "screen bleeding" is common to the G2x, and seems to be a feature tied to it's screen brightness settings. You can do this by downloading the hidden camera app which gives you a blank/black screen display and when it does you'll notice the so called "screen bleed" on both of the upper corners, because the G2x has different levels of brightness and when it drops from the max setting to medium the screen bleed will disappear, and then from their the screen shuts off. I believe the screen was meant to bleed this way on highest brightness setting, and is not a flaw that many think.
Second, the reboot is a bug that can be fixed with a software update. Like any computer sometimes to many processes can lock up the CPU and you need to wait until it can recover itself, the reboot is a feature that happens when the system can't recover the normal way, so this is just a bug that needs to be updated.
Third, I also thought I had the wifi problem since I couldn't connect at home, I downloaded wifi analyzer, and then I realized that I was entering a wrong password. After having entered the right password I now don't have this problem. Maybe ppl who are might try going back and checking to see if they entered the right password to access their wifi.
The battery problem is real, but I believe it can be remedied by doing a few tweaks to the activity of searching for data signals and turning off the radio when it's not needed. The first day I couldn't 8 hours out of the G2x, even just leaving my phone idle without touching it. The battery draining on standby is do to it searching for the data signals, so I remedied this by installing auto airplane mode which turns of data when the screen shuts off and turns it back on when you turn on the screen again. This worked wonders for me, since before when I went to work my phone would be at 30% after an 8 hour shift without me even having used the phone, but with auto airplane mode enabled, after an 8 hour shift I now have 70% battery still left even when I use the phone heavily on my breaks. I'm pretty sure we can get more hours of usage from the phone by tweaking the programs on it.
Ok finally and this is the biggest reason not to keep returning the phone for a new replacement. My last phone from Tmobile was the HTC Shadow which I just upgraded to this G2x, the battery was crap, just like this one, it did have a wifi problem but there was really no lcd problems until later. Let me explain why. You see back then (4 years ago) Tmobile did not charge for shipping out a new replacement, but many of us Shadow owners abused the system, by always asking for a replacement phone within our 1 year warranty. I myself am guilty of trading my shadow in for more than 11 replacements within the year, even though it was in good shape and had no problems. I just wanted a "mint" condition one, but as the year went on and I got the 7th, 8th, 9th etc replacement, the quality of the Shadow was downgraded. The newer batch of Shadows had a noticeable downgrade in the lcd and build, and for the very first time, Tmobile actually said they'd have to charge a $10 shipping fee. I don't doubt that this new policy was because we Shadow owners we're abusing the system and sending in our functional handset for a replacement, just to have a mint condition one. I used to go to a Shadow forum where all the members were returning there's many times for a replacement just like how this forum community seems to be doing.
Now if we understand this history, then looking at how many G2x owners already sent their functional, albeit "buggy" G2x handsets in for a new replacement, I guarantee you that the next couple batches of G2x will be of lower quality and Tmobile might even up the cost for an exchange or add additional fees by changing their return policy because of the perceived abuse. Make no mistake, Tmobile and LG are losing a ton of money for each new G2x being returned for another one, when the "problems" are minor or actually probably a feature (screen bleed) or bug (reboot, wifi).
I'm putting this out there, because I find that this is a solid high powered phone that just needs to work out the bugs with updates to the software, but if we keep making Tmobile or LG lose money on this model, then they'll cease production on the phone and just refurbish those handsets that were sent in for a replacement, maybe with lower quality parts, and use those to replace our G2x in the future, when they really DO need to be replaced within the coming year.
How about making bullet points, and keeping these massive paragraphs short.
So, you're a T-Mobile employee that has been sitting on this account for 4 years?
ETA: Most of the issues you've outlined are in fact just growing pains/glitches that will eventually be corrected. However, the light bleed issue is one of very poor quality control or defective manufacturing techniques. It does not only happen on high brightness, and it is unacceptable for a high end device from a name brand maker. LG seems to be having some serious issues with their IPS panels, not just in the G2x but also on the panels the make for some of the iPads. We have not heard the last of this problem, and I suspect it will cost LG a bundle in the end, both in terms of money and reputation.
@bighulk666 After typing this out, I was not about to spend another hour editing it. As long as I've articulated my thougts, it's good enough.
@spyvie This is my second G2x, since I made a mistake with the first one. I bought the first one at the Tmobile store which was an upgrade and came out to $286, I then found out I could have gotten it for $125 at another subcontracted cell phone dealer, and that's why I returned the first one. But the first one had the same light bleed, in the same 2 upper corners as the one I have now. Also most if not all G2x owners are reporting this so called screen bleed so I'm sure it was probably manufactured this way on purpose, but if it is a flaw, it's very minor. It's like returning a brand new car you just bought because you notice a 1 inch scratch on the paint job.
LG and T-Mobile both have acknowledged that this is a mfg defect. I have two emails from LG confirming this.
Adjusting the brightness to maximum only enhances the "problem". I doubt LG meant for it to be a "feature".
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@bighulk666 After typing this out, I was not about to spend another hour editing it. As long as I've articulated my thougts, it's good enough.
@spyvie This is my second G2x, since I made a mistake with the first one. I bought the first one at the Tmobile store which was an upgrade and came out to $286, I then found out I could have gotten it for $125 at another subcontracted cell phone dealer, and that's why I returned the first one. But the first one had the same light bleed, in the same 2 upper corners as the one I have now. Also most if not all G2x owners are reporting this so called screen bleed so I'm sure it was probably manufactured this way on purpose, but if it is a flaw, it's very minor. It's like returning a brand new car you just bought because you notice a 1 inch scratch on the paint job.
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No, it's like returning a brand new car you just bought because there is a one inch crack in 2 or 3 corners of the windshield. Under certain conditions the cracks genuinely impede your view of the road, and replacing the windshield is impossible or would cost more than the car is worth.
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@bighulk666 After typing this out, I was not about to spend another hour editing it. As long as I've articulated my thougts, it's good enough.
@spyvie This is my second G2x, since I made a mistake with the first one. I bought the first one at the Tmobile store which was an upgrade and came out to $286, I then found out I could have gotten it for $125 at another subcontracted cell phone dealer, and that's why I returned the first one. But the first one had the same light bleed, in the same 2 upper corners as the one I have now. Also most if not all G2x owners are reporting this so called screen bleed so I'm sure it was probably manufactured this way on purpose, but if it is a flaw, it's very minor. It's like returning a brand new car you just bought because you notice a 1 inch scratch on the paint job.
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I sure hope your field of work doesn't include QA.
However, I believe every QA department in any company would love to have customers like you.
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I sure hope your field of work doesn't include QA.
However, I believe every QA department in any company would love to have customers like you.
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Okay maybe G2x has some minor problems, the whole point I'm trying to make with the thread is that the more people who keep returning a fairly brand new out of the box G2x just hoping they'll recieve a "perfect" one, is gonna make Tmobile and LG lose alot of money on this phone that has a lot of potential, and that will force them to cut their losses and drop this phone all together without even giving it a chance.
I'm telling what I witnessed with this same situation happening with the Tmobile Shadow. Tmobile had a great return and exchange policy until the Shadow community abused it, since then they changed it and now it costs shipping and your noted on their system for each time you do a return or exchange marking you as a "problem" customer, that they'll now give you the "run arounds" and make it more difficult for you to get an exchange or return. And as for the phone, because of all the complaints and returns, they'll just cease production on it and just use the rest of the stock for exchanges, when that runs out quick, they'll give you low quality refurbished ones. It's just gonna be a lose situation for all the G2x owners who want to make this phone succeed.
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Okay maybe G2x has some minor problems, the whole point I'm trying to make with the thread is that the more people who keep returning a fairly brand new out of the box G2x just hoping they'll recieve a "perfect" one, is gonna make Tmobile and LG lose alot of money on this phone that has a lot of potential, and that will force them to cut their losses and drop this phone all together without even giving it a chance.
I'm telling what I witnessed with this same situation happening with the Tmobile Shadow. Tmobile had a great return and exchange policy until the Shadow community abused it, since then they changed it and now it costs shipping and your noted on their system for each time you do a return or exchange marking you as a "problem" customer, that they'll now give you the "run arounds" and make it more difficult for you to get an exchange or return. And as for the phone, because of all the complaints and returns, they'll just cease production on it and just use the rest of the stock for exchanges, when that runs out quick, they'll give you low quality refurbished ones. It's just gonna be a lose situation for all the G2x owners who want to make this phone succeed.
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I think this should've been your OP, shorter and straight to the point. I agree with you on the refurb replacement if T-Mobile runs out of stock, because LG actually told me to go read the G2x manual as it specifically states that if they can't repair a defect (that is totally their fault mind you) then they can only exchange it for a refurb and not a brand new phone.
Personally after my experience with LG's customer service department I will probably not buy another LG product that carries a premium price tag.
This thread reeks of desperation. Describing the threat of a possible doomsday scenario where T-Mobile completely drops support for the phone unless customers are loyal and compliant only increases the chance I will return my G2x.
The battery issue is just that an issue. My first g2x got at most 8hrs of standby and a little use. But my 2nd and 3rd are pushing 16hrs with moderate use, everything left on and screen at 100%.
The point is for $500 I shouldn't be forced to turn things off to get at least a half day of battery on it.
As for your idea of just accepting how else is LG and T-Mobile going to acknowledge this phone has issues and their paying customers won't stand for it.
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I believe the screen was meant to bleed this way on highest brightness setting, and is not a flaw that many think.
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I lol'd. stop reading after that.
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I lol'd. stop reading after that.
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You should keep reading... this guy obviously works for T-Mo and his message is a little alarming.
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Okay maybe G2x has some minor problems, the whole point I'm trying to make with the thread is that the more people who keep returning a fairly brand new out of the box G2x just hoping they'll recieve a "perfect" one, is gonna make Tmobile and LG lose alot of money on this phone that has a lot of potential, and that will force them to cut their losses and drop this phone all together without even giving it a chance.
I'm telling what I witnessed with this same situation happening with the Tmobile Shadow. Tmobile had a great return and exchange policy until the Shadow community abused it, since then they changed it and now it costs shipping and your noted on their system for each time you do a return or exchange marking you as a "problem" customer, that they'll now give you the "run arounds" and make it more difficult for you to get an exchange or return. And as for the phone, because of all the complaints and returns, they'll just cease production on it and just use the rest of the stock for exchanges, when that runs out quick, they'll give you low quality refurbished ones. It's just gonna be a lose situation for all the G2x owners who want to make this phone succeed.
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I told you this would happen with all the unneccessary returns and exchanges because yall choose to dwell on a tiny imperfection such as the "screen" bleed which is a commonality on LCD screens, even high end computers have it, and now we see the G2x already being given away for free, a sign that Tmobile is just trying to cut their losses and make a buck with contracts on this model. I won't post the links of where you can find it dirt cheap and even free, but I'm pretty sure many on this forum already know, and I can guarantee that it was because of all the exchanges and returns. But what really get's under my skin is the change in policy for restocking fees. Again it can't be a coincidence that it recently changed especially with all the G2x returns/exchanges being posted all over the net. Here's news on the new return/restock policy :/
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/05/t-mobile-changing-restocking-fees-now-based-on-device/
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First of all many people return the device BC you walk into a store and many of the reps have no info but .. lets do a factory reset... and when that wont work they just tell u to exchange it ... that's what happen to me.
Second if Tmobile is marking ur account for other future reps to just give u run around just BC u complaint that ur phone that u paid 500 Buck for or secured them a 99.99 monthly bill for the next 2 year that's illegal as its fishing.... sorry if I expect to get what I pay for...
I have bought mytouch 4g,vibrant,HD 7, g2, touch pro 2 all full retail price and NEVER had a bleed.
Reboot ANYTHING I've had Tmobile for over 7 years an never file a complaint or problem till now so its a problem
MOST IMPORTANT IF LCD BLEED WAS SO COMON THEN Y IS THIS THE ONLY PHONE WITH A TON OF THREAD JUST ABOUT LCD BLEED... U DONT SEE A MYTOUCH,VIBRANT,SGS4G, IPHONE4 .... THEREADS WITH LCD BLEED
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MOST IMPORTANT IF LCD BLEED WAS SO COMON THEN Y IS THIS THE ONLY PHONE WITH A TON OF THREAD JUST ABOUT LCD BLEED... U DONT SEE A MYTOUCH,VIBRANT,SGS4G, IPHONE4 .... THEREADS WITH LCD BLEED
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Vibrant doesn't use an LCD. Moot point.
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I don't understand the loyalty some people are having to a hunk of plastic. It's a prime example cognitive dissonance over a $500 purchase. It's a flawed phone, regardless of whether it's hardware or software flaws.
Since I left it for another phone, I haven't had to make a single excuse for my new phone. That's what $500 should buy you, the happiness of not having to give excuses as to why your phone does this or that or why you have to turn this off for that to work, etc.
imo, if the unit has issues, which it does LG should just man up and fix it, those that got early failed unit, should get replacements
I paid full retail for mine, and tried to get a replacement, and they acted like they had never heard of any of the issues.
Tmobile is a good company customer service wise, but the early batches were just not up to par for $500 electronics
and that new $50 restocking fee for smartphones is also not very cool also
I wish I had the luck like some of the people here who were able to trade in two and three phones till they got a good one
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imo, if the unit has issues, which it does LG should just man up and fix it, those that got early failed unit, should get replacements
I paid full retail for mine, and tried to get a replacement, and they acted like they had never heard of any of the issues.
Tmobile is a good company customer service wise, but the early batches were just not up to par for $500 electronics
and that new $50 restocking fee for smartphones is also not very cool also
I wish I had the luck like some of the people here who were able to trade in two and three phones till they got a good one
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I got a replacement when the "factory reset" would not solve the problem (problem with stock camera and EB leaked GB generic camera - dark photos without constantly upping the white balance and very dark screen on barcode scanner and other similar apps).
However, I am now going to return the new unit, as I got the original going OK, and reinstalling some apps like purchased GPS program is a hassle,, and the original unit is only 1 month old. The issues with other scanner apps may be an issues with the unit (same on replacement), but they all work OK on EB 1.0.4 so going to stay with it.
Wish I could ship off to someone who really needs it, but am running up against their 7 day return policy (tomorrow it has to be shipped). It also came with a prepaid UPS sticker for the return.
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I got a replacement when the "factory reset" would not solve the problem (problem with stock camera and EB leaked GB generic camera - dark photos without constantly upping the white balance and very dark screen on barcode scanner and other similar apps).
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This is actually a known issue involving the brightness level. If set wrong, it causes apps that use the camera to look dark.
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So I exchanged my G2X yesterday and brought the new phone yesterday. Unfortunately, the store where I exchanged is a kiosk in a mall so I couldn't really test for bleeding; however, when I got home the bleeding was worse on the replacement. Has anyone spoken with T-Mobile about this? I am thinking of waiting for new shipments to be sent out and then using the warranty rather than returning the phone (the store refunded me and charged me again, which is kind of a pain when keeping track of credit card balance). Any advice? Does anyone have a phone with absolutely no backlight bleeding?
I'm heading out right now to exchange my first one. I'll let you know how lucky I get.
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So I exchanged my G2X yesterday and brought the new phone yesterday. Unfortunately, the store where I exchanged is a kiosk in a mall so I couldn't really test for bleeding; however, when I got home the bleeding was worse on the replacement. Has anyone spoken with T-Mobile about this? I am thinking of waiting for new shipments to be sent out and then using the warranty rather than returning the phone (the store refunded me and charged me again, which is kind of a pain when keeping track of credit card balance). Any advice? Does anyone have a phone with absolutely no backlight bleeding?
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i got my original from the "pre-order" so i only could get one in the mail... sense it was a known issue they sent me a NEW G2x while i was still using the first one i got.... waived shipping all that.... (didnt have to send original one in before they sent another)
when i got it yesterday i noticed on bootup that its worse than my original...
they said it is a know LG issue and will be UNDER WARRANTY...
i am returning the worst one.... and will wait for the fix (if LG ever fix's it)
in that case you can use the warranty of the phone to get a "refurb" witch might be fixed if it was sent in for back light bleeding...
thats what im gonna do
Yes, I mean this is simply not acceptable.
Would a problem like this be acceptable on the iPhone? No. people would go ape nuts.
If you don't make a stink about this and return the phones with the bad backlights, you are actually making the problem worse by not getting the bad units back to LG.
Are there devices out there without the issue? Or does every device have it and some are worse than others?
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Yes, I mean this is simply not acceptable.
Would a problem like this be acceptable on the iPhone? No. people would go ape nuts.
If you don't make a stink about this and return the phones with the bad backlights, you are actually making the problem worse by not getting the bad units back to LG.
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EXACTLY!
i have two phones one that i got originally and one they sent me..... both have BAD backlight bleeding but the newst (dated 4/19/11) is the worst!
CSR from Tmo said they have made it aware to LG that there is a major problem and ive herd almost 60% of the G2x users have called in about this issue..... some not as bad as others but the few ive seen and the two ive had i can tell you the only way to get it fixed is by sending the "defective" device back to tmobile to get it sent to LG for the to refurbish it!
hopefully within the next month or two all of the junk ones are fixed and i can get one with none... but for now i guess ill deal with the less visible of the two
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Are there devices out there without the issue? Or does every device have it and some are worse than others?
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Take a look at my first phone here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050691
It was really bad. I went back the the t-mobile store and they let me replace it although they said this was the LAST time they would allow it and if I got a dud or one that was worse I just had to live with it. I took the chance and asked for a replacement and WOW I got lucky. I have hardly any screen bleeding at all. I mean its not perfect like the samsung vibrant or iphone because it is so slightly lighter on the very top of the screen however its not noticable at all anymore unless the screen is pitch black and there are no lights on at all in the room. I mean it has to be straight pitch black to see any bleeding (if you even want to call it bleeding). So basically YES, I exchanged it and got a good one. I was worried I would just get another dud but Im glad I took the time to do it.
I will say the manager at the store was a little weird. She said there hasnt been a single complaint about this and I was worried over nothing. However another guy that worked at the store said there have been over 20 complaints just to that store since friday. Weird how they are changing the storry up. Kinda shady.
I'm not going back to the store, this is going to be handled through CS. I am don't want to have to refund then repurchase the phone. Anyway, they can't tell you that you can't exchange, you have 14 days.
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Take a look at my first phone here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050691
I will say the manager at the store was a little weird. She said there hasnt been a single complaint about this and I was worried over nothing. However another guy that worked at the store said there have been over 20 complaints just to that store since friday. Weird how they are changing the storry up. Kinda shady.
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Probably each store trying to cover their ass and not want to be sending a lot of units back lest they look bad to corporate. Don't let them push you around like that! That's unacceptable, this is an iphone class device--nobody would accept a defect like this on an iphone.
I just tweeted to @tmobile about this and encourage others to do too.
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Take a look at my first phone here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050691
It was really bad. I went back the the t-mobile store and they let me replace it although they said this was the LAST time they would allow it and if I got a dud or one that was worse I just had to live with it. I took the chance and asked for a replacement and WOW I got lucky. I have hardly any screen bleeding at all. I mean its not perfect like the samsung vibrant or iphone because it is so slightly lighter on the very top of the screen however its not noticable at all anymore unless the screen is pitch black and there are no lights on at all in the room. I mean it has to be straight pitch black to see any bleeding (if you even want to call it bleeding). So basically YES, I exchanged it and got a good one. I was worried I would just get another dud but Im glad I took the time to do it.
I will say the manager at the store was a little weird. She said there hasnt been a single complaint about this and I was worried over nothing. However another guy that worked at the store said there have been over 20 complaints just to that store since friday. Weird how they are changing the storry up. Kinda shady.
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well calling into customer service and talking to a "android specialist" (lol)
they know its a issue.... EVEN IF THEY SAID AT THE STORE THAT YOU CAN ONLY EXCHANGE IT ONCE.... it will be covered under the warranty.... so if it starts coming back.... get a hold of CUSTOMER LOYALTY! they will fix you up nice
(ive had over 4 vibrants sent to me and now 2 different G2x's...... they stand behind there product like a real company should!)
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well calling into customer service and talking to a "android specialist" (lol)
they know its a issue.... EVEN IF THEY SAID AT THE STORE THAT YOU CAN ONLY EXCHANGE IT ONCE.... it will be covered under the warranty.... so if it starts coming back.... get a hold of CUSTOMER LOYALTY! they will fix you up nice
(ive had over 4 vibrants sent to me and now 2 different G2x's...... they stand behind there product like a real company should!)
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No I agree. One reason I stand behind t-mobile so much is because of their amazing customer service. That manager was the first and only time I have ever felt like they were not doing everything they could to make me happy lol.
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Probably each store trying to cover their ass and not want to be sending a lot of units back lest they look bad to corporate. Don't let them push you around like that! That's unacceptable, this is an iphone class device--nobody would accept a defect like this on an iphone.
I just tweeted to @tmobile about this and encourage others to do too.
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A completely agree with you there. This would be all over the news, newspapers, internet and radio if it was an iphone. To be honest, I think this phone is even a whole class above the iphone. Only think iphone has even remotely in the same league is its display and even then id still chose this oh so slightly less quality 4" over their supperior 3.5" Im sure LG will do something about this and fix all their NEW phones but I honestly think us early adopters are probably stuck with the problem. I doubt they will do a recall on all devices sold with the defect.
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A completely agree with you there. This would be all over the news, newspapers, internet and radio if it was an iphone. To be honest, I think this phone is even a whole class above the iphone. Only think iphone has even remotely in the same league is its display and even then id still chose this oh so slightly less quality 4" over their supperior 3.5" Im sure LG will do something about this and fix all their NEW phones but I honestly think us early adopters are probably stuck with the problem. I doubt they will do a recall on all devices sold with the defect.
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well to recall all of the phones that where sent out is not gonna happen way WAY to much money... but if LG does fix the issue and comes out with a REVAMPED G2x ill bet all my money that the people who got the "defectives" will be able to get the new one at little to no cost (maybe just a restock fee or shipping charge)
as it was not our fault that we wanted a device and got a defective one....
kinda like the whole moto cliq thing that happened
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...I'm sure LG will do something about this and fix all their NEW phones but I honestly think us early adopters are probably stuck with the problem. I doubt they will do a recall on all devices sold with the defect.
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I doubt they will do a recall either, but you still have the right to return within 14 days or exercise your warranty.
I am calling CS to see what they suggest - i.e., should I return the device or wait for new devices to be released and exercise my warranty.
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I doubt they will do a recall either, but you still have the right to return within 14 days or exercise your warranty.
I am calling CS to see what they suggest - i.e., should I return the device or wait for new devices to be released and exercise my warranty.
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honestly if you got it from a store try to exchange it for a less noticeable bleeding screen (if thats your only issue)
if you got it online/phone order
call customer service and ask to speak to CUSTOMER LOYALTY
when you get to the loyalty department STRESS you dont want to go "days without a phone" and they will set a new order up for a NEW G2x not a refurb!
id do the exchange before the 14day just to try to get a "better" device
only exercise your warranty down the road... (a few months from now)
but make sure when you call you make it know that its a "issue" so they put that your unhappy in your account memos for later down the road when you do want to use the warranty!
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Take a look at my first phone here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050691
It was really bad. I went back the the t-mobile store and they let me replace it although they said this was the LAST time they would allow it and if I got a dud or one that was worse I just had to live with it. I took the chance and asked for a replacement and WOW I got lucky. I have hardly any screen bleeding at all. I mean its not perfect like the samsung vibrant or iphone because it is so slightly lighter on the very top of the screen however its not noticable at all anymore unless the screen is pitch black and there are no lights on at all in the room. I mean it has to be straight pitch black to see any bleeding (if you even want to call it bleeding). So basically YES, I exchanged it and got a good one. I was worried I would just get another dud but Im glad I took the time to do it.
I will say the manager at the store was a little weird. She said there hasnt been a single complaint about this and I was worried over nothing. However another guy that worked at the store said there have been over 20 complaints just to that store since friday. Weird how they are changing the storry up. Kinda shady.
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A store can't tell you that you can't return something anymore if your still within the time given by that company. If that store gives you any more problems then just go to a different one. I exchanged my G2X's at 2 different stores with no problems. I would have told that manager to go **** herself. It's not her phone and she doesn't have to live with it.
On the T-Mobile community site someone is reporting that they were denied an exchange because the "floor model" had bleeding issues and thus they all must have bleeding issues:
I can't post the link because I'm a noob.
Wow, so far both of the reps i've called have no idea what the screen bleeding issue is, when i try to explain to them they just don't understand
So trying my luck again later today..
xShadoWxDrifTx said:
Wow, so far both of the reps i've called have no idea what the screen bleeding issue is, when i try to explain to them they just don't understand
So trying my luck again later today..
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are you talking to a regular rep?
if so ask to be sent to ANDROID TROUBLESHOOTING!
a customer service rep will not know any issues or problems with devices only the "android specialists" will!
This is some bull****. I had to convince the store rep today to let me exchange my first bad one. Now this new G2x is much much worse. I think the only option right now is to return the phone and wait a month or more for LG and T-Mobile to get their **** straight. I don't care what anyone at the store or here says about bleeding and to just "deal with it it's not that bad." I will keep exchanging until I get one that has no problems. They rushed this phone, not me. I would have been fine waiting another month for the G2x to release if it meant we all wouldn't have these stupid bleeding issues.
For those of you that had your g2x replaced by T-mobile (they sent you a replacement via ups with a prepaid return label), was your replacement:
1) new or refurbished
2) if refurbished, did it physically appear new or used
3) was the replacement any better in terms of less screen bleed, random reboots, freezing up, gps lock, etc?
They sent me a phone without a battery and rear cover. I'm pretty sure it was new. The manufacture date was later than my first (bought on release day). The screen bleed was better than my first one. I still get reboots and my gps doesn't get a lock. Funny thing was the gps worked like magic the first day I used my replacement G2X.
i've replace mine in two occasion.. both of them is new.. the first one came without screen bleed, but when i turn it on, it reboot call tmobile right away because i was angry. however while waiting for anogher one. it never reboot again. Second, little screen bleed but everything is perfect..
Mine was new and perfect 10/10 no problems and I'm super happy. Was having second thoughts about switching to the sensation but really glad I was able to get the replacement its amazing!
Wow...I called T-mobile last night at 5pm central time, and my replacement phone is on the UPS truck out for delivery right now. Way beyond my expectation.
Now let's see how the replacement phone is. I hope I have as much luck as you guys did.
Mine was probably a refurbished, but I don't know for sure. It's MUCH better, no random reboots, far less screen bleed, and while the gps isn't instant it's a bit faster.
I was satisfied with the replacement, and it was my first and only one.
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I thought I killed my original 4/20 G2x and ordered a replacement. I ended up fixing my original, luckily because the replacement had NASTY screen bleed.
It just arrived. My old SN was 104KPDT, and the new SN is 106KPQJ...I'm assuming newer build. I rooted right away and nvflashed because in clockwork is where my screenbleed was at it's worst (black screen), so I wanted to get in there as soon as possible for comparison.
New phone has no screen bleed to speak of. I believe my old phone got worse over time, so I will have to see if this holds up in the weeks to come.
So don't let em tell you they can't replace your phone for screen bleed because any replacement will have the same problem...I can tell you first hand that they are wrong.
edit: Also, I did tell the retentions rep on the phone that although my phone had these problems to start with, they did get worse after I dropped my phone on the parking lot and damaged the case. Maybe it was due, in part, to the manner with which I presented myself, but they sent out the replacement, knowing that I had been at least partly responsible. And my conscience is clear. I have to be honest with you, I was very resistant to allow them to send me a replacement because of the numerous posts I read on this forum about getting dinged up, scratched up, used phones that were worse than they had to start with. I suppose I am lucky. I'm very sorry for those of you with that experience.
I got my phone a few days back and on full brightness I notice backlight bleed at the top left of the screen. It isnt very noticible but is nevertheless annoying. My computer LCD also has bleed at about the same spot so I know LCD's do have this problem but I am not sure if the nexus S is supposed to have it.
So anyone else has backlight bleed? Can I and should I claim warranty on this? If I claim warranty I should demand a replacement instead of repairing and putting a new LCD in it right? My phone is barely a few days old.
I have 3 dead pixels as well.
Seems like I have corner bleed as well with full brightness. Please someone comment on the quality of the i9023 display? I know dead pixels are pretty common and they dont really bother me. But I am kinda disappointed with the backlight uniformity.
That should be plenty to get you a new screen or a refurb phone. I don't have any screen bleeding on my i9023 and the SC-LCD is exceptional. Have a chat to samsung or your carrier while it's still brand new.
I don't have it. Get it replaced
Okay guys will go to the service center. I hope they accept it without much hassle.
Now as for refurbish phone, why should I be getting a refurb phone? My phone is less than a week old.
From memory, Samsung's policy doesn't involve getting you a brand new phone. They'll give you a refurbed one or change out your screen (most likely). However if you've bought it from a reseller or service provider, they might be able to offer you a new one no hassles. It all depends really, and i've not gone through it to really comment.
Just remember if you end up sending it in, don't put the back cover or battery in there and unroot and relock bootloader just in case. If you're lucky you'll get an extra back cover and battery for your troubles.
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From memory, Samsung's policy doesn't involve getting you a brand new phone. They'll give you a refurbed one or change out your screen (most likely). However if you've bought it from a reseller or service provider, they might be able to offer you a new one no hassles. It all depends really, and i've not gone through it to really comment.
Just remember if you end up sending it in, don't put the back cover or battery in there and unroot and relock bootloader just in case. If you're lucky you'll get an extra back cover and battery for your troubles.
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I dont have the phone rooted so thats not an issue.
I bought a sim free nexus from samsung distributor in my country. I really didnt know about this samsung policy it really stinks if true.
I dont have time to get the LCD replaced as I am leaving town next week and it kills resale value as when you sell the first thing the other person asks is if it's been repaired.
I will call the distributor tomorrow to see what "policy" they have regarding this. If I get new phone then good otherwise I will just keep using it. The problems with my LCD can only be seen with a keen eye so I really dont think it would cause a problem when selling the phone.
You'll probably be expecting a 3 - 4 week turnaround time if you send it to them (unsure about service centers and what powers they have in this) and you can have a read here. Luck of the draw most likely.
I just checked a friends iphone 4 and even that didnt have a very uniform screen at full brightness. Are you guys really sure you cannot see any bleed at full brightness in a dark room?? Not many LCD's are capable of that atleast the corners will be a bit more bright. And to be fair the nexus LCD does get really really bright on full brightness.
I think I can live with this since I barely use the phone on full brightness.
And I also searched about dead pixels, it seems many screens will have atleast one or 2 if you notice hard.
Alright so I got my gs3 today and I recently noticed that there is a piece of dust near the top of the display. I know it is dust because it is still visible with the screen off. I'm not really bothered by it considering it's about the size of a pixel. Do you recommend I attempt to exchange it, or just live with it. It's in the notification bar and is almost never visible and I didn't notice it the first time I checked it for dead pixels.
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Alright so I got my gs3 today and I recently noticed that there is a piece of dust near the top of the display. I know it is dust because it is still visible with the screen off. I'm not really bothered by it considering it's about the size of a pixel. Do you recommend I attempt to exchange it, or just live with it. It's in the notification bar and is almost never visible and I didn't notice it the first time I checked it for dead pixels.
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If it doesn't bother you I would just keep it. It is a major hassle switching out phones and the stores will generally fight you tooth and nail to keep from allowing the exchange unless the phone is really defective. Good luck!
The Dark One
I would exchange it.
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If it doesn't bother you I would just keep it. It is a major hassle switching out phones and the stores will generally fight you tooth and nail to keep from allowing the exchange unless the phone is really defective. Good luck!
The Dark One
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To be honest I have more crap stuck in between my screen protector and the Glass. It's hardly noticeable so I'm not really worried. I know if I go into a vzw store they will be difficult. Even if I get a new one it could have a dead pixel smack dab in the center. Still an awesome phone.
It was a huge pain getting my Galaxy S3 replaced at a Verizon store for a legitimate problem- I had a dead pixel. The employee helping me refused to replace it, until finally the manager came and looked at it, deeming it a legitimate problem and allowed me a swap for a new device.
So if it doesn't bother you, don't worry about it.
I had my first GS3 replaced by T-Mobile. Right after I called they sent a brand new one overnight at no cost to me. Sent first phone back with the included return shipping label. Everything was easy as pie.
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Alright so I got my gs3 today and I recently noticed that there is a piece of dust near the top of the display. I know it is dust because it is still visible with the screen off. I'm not really bothered by it considering it's about the size of a pixel. Do you recommend I attempt to exchange it, or just live with it. It's in the notification bar and is almost never visible and I didn't notice it the first time I checked it for dead pixels.
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I am in Canada but I imagine it still works the same. I never go into the store to deal with problems like that. Call them up (not the individual store). The people on the other end are used to dealing with that all day and have the policy down pat. I would believe they would resolve the issue immediately and send a replacement. At the minimum you will be opening a ticket (file) about the issue. An remember polite and firm, if the original person you are dealing with cannot resolve to your satisfaction request talking to a manager. They have more latitude when dealing with issues.
An I am sorry it's brand new. You are entitled to have it in perfect working condition including not having trapped dust. Give them a call.
P.S. An yes you are bothered by it, or you would of never taken the time to Create your OP. An I would be bothered by it as well.
Good luck.
I'm debating because right now I am bothered by it, but I know in a little while I really won't care. I'll see if I can get it replaced, but if I can't it won't be the end of the world.
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I am in Canada but I imagine it still works the same. I never go into the store to deal with problems like that. Call them up (not the individual store). The people on the other end are used to dealing with that all day and have the policy down pat. I would believe they would resolve the issue immediately and send a replacement. At the minimum you will be opening a ticket (file) about the issue. An remember polite and firm, if the original person you are dealing with cannot resolve to your satisfaction request talking to a manager. They have more latitude when dealing with issues.
An I am sorry it's brand new. You are entitled to have it in perfect working condition including not having trapped dust. Give them a call.
P.S. An yes you are bothered by it, or you would of never taken the time to Create your OP. An I would be bothered by it as well.
Good luck.
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Ha Ha, well I got two new ones. the second one had a dead pixel right in the middle.
Dirt Or Dead Pixel Under Screen
I just went through this myself, I bought a new S3 from Future Shop, it was great for the first 7 days then I just happened to have a grey wallpaper up and I noticed faint black lines almost in the middle of the screen and they ran from the top to the bottom, and as I scrolled the wallpaper back and forth they were very noticeable, I myself am the type of guy that now that I know its there it drives me crazy, I ended up taking it into the store and the sales rep looked at it and pulled another out to compare, he sat there for 10 minutes comparing it and finally told me the new one has the same lines but refused to show me it. So I took my phone and left. After I get home just before bed I noticed a black dot near the top, I tried wiping it off for I thought it was dust but it did not move, I could not figure out what it was, I thought dust but how did it get there in a matter of a few hours when I don't put my phone anywhere that it could cause dust to get into the screen like that, I ended up shinning a light on it with the screen off and it was not there so it was a pixel issue, I ended up going back to the store this morning where I had to argue and complain for 20 minutes before they finally exchanged it as they tried telling me it was dust behind the screen, anyway the new one is perfect. There should be no issue when you want to return or exchange your phone especially when you just shelled out $600 to buy it. But I suppose with the mass production of these phones there is bound to be issues with some.
So, I broke the glass on my Infuse a week ago. The LCD touchscreen beneath it is in perfect condition without any noticeable defects. I have dropped my phone from over 5' onto concrete multiple times in the past and nothing broke those times, but I went to get out of my car and it slipped out of my pocket and fell one foot onto asphalt and the screen shattered, at least the bottom half. It sucks, but it happens, right? That is why I pay $5 /month for insurance, it is an expensive phone that i don't want to replace out of pocket. Well, it turns out that the last time I had to file an insurance claim they hadn't updated their pricing policy. It use to be $50 for a claim, but now it is $200! Ridiculously expensive if I say so myself. I went onto ebay and found that they sell the LCD, glass, and tools for $190, but this is an outdated phone, well AT&T doesn't sell it anymore at least. Why would I want to spend close to $200 for a new screen when I only spent $80 to buy the phone 15 months ago???
Now onto my real question:
1) Should I buy the screen replacement and fix it myself? I'm generally really good with electronics... and I've replaced screens in flip phones before.
2) Should I open a new line on my existing account for $10 a month and get the galaxy s3 for $170 and just put my sim card in the phone?
3) or should I go through AT&T's replacement service and get w/e phone they want to give me? (What phone replaced the Infuse anyway?)
What do you guys think I should do?
I have cracked glass on my Infuse (LCD still works fine in my case, I assume it does for you as well).
Here are what I think are the three best options (no particular order)
1 - Send it to Samsung for repair. They'll do it for about $156, including shipping both ways (they send you a shipping envelope). But you'll lose your phone for 1 to 2 weeks.Contact phone number: 1-888-987-4357
2 - Get a used phone on ebay, craigslist, etc.
3 - Live with it and hope it gets better. This may sound wacky, but I have a cracked phone glass and it really honestly seems to have gotten "better" over time. I'm not kidding.
Part of is switching your apps to dark background so you don't notice the cracks as much (and save battery anyway)..
part of it is getting used to the cracks so they don't catch your attention...
and here's the wacky part ... in my case some of the cracks have "gone away" or gotten smaller since the initial damage. I know that sounds silly and I certainly can't explain why it did that (other than to say this is not normal glass), but that is what I observed with my own eyes.
I don't think replacing the whole LCD unit is an attractive option. It costs $150 and you can get a new phone or have Samsung fix it for that much. It is a somewhat delicate procedure from what I have heard so after spending tht $150 there's a small chance you may not have fixed anything.
There is also Infuse Glass for sale for $10 or so but it is apparently unusable... can't replace glass without replacing the entire LCD unit (they're glued together)
you might want to double check ATT website. i got my refurbished infuse for 1 penny. flawless, looked and worked like brand new. so good, i got one for my sister too.
I have an infuse that I'm willing to sell for 150. Everything works besides the USB port being wonky at times...sometimes it works, others it doesn't. So for 150 you could repair your phone and gain another battery/everything else for the same price as sending it to Samsung.
I advise against adding a line...yeah its 170 up front but add another 240 for 10 bucks a month extra over two years. So that's paying essentially 410 for that s3...same with buying it for a penny online...paying 240 for another infuse over two years.
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3 - Live with it and hope it gets better. This may sound wacky, but I have a cracked phone glass and it really honestly seems to have gotten "better" over time. I'm not kidding.
Part of is switching your apps to dark background so you don't notice the cracks as much (and save battery anyway)..
part of it is getting used to the cracks so they don't catch your attention...
and here's the wacky part ... in my case some of the cracks have "gone away" or gotten smaller since the initial damage. I know that sounds silly and I certainly can't explain why it did that (other than to say this is not normal glass), but that is what I observed with my own eyes.
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Attached are pictures immediately after I dropped my phone. I took them using front-facing camera mode.
Here are photos of the same phone (not repaired) today, about 5 months after I dropped it.
I was not able to recreate the exact same view (not sure how I originally managed to use front-facing camera and mirror to get photo of screen without seeing picture within picture type thing).
But I hope you can see it is a lot better. Tough to capture in pictures but there is no doubt in my mind the cracks somehow got better.
Your cracks got better likely because of the adhesive on your screen protector. That is a decent idea for the op to try though...if no chunks of glass are missing, they could try seeing if a screen protector makes the cracks less noticeable
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I have a screen protector on the phone right now and that is the only reason I'm able to use it. I'll post some pictures in a few showing how it looks.
captemo: How were you able to get an Infuse for $0.01? Was it an upgrade/new line/new customer deal?
electricpete1: they showed up when I posted my reply. Interesting...Makes me wonder what type of nearly self healing glass they implemented on your phone! lol Well, that is interesting, I can still see the impact site on the 5 months after photos, but the cracks seem to be nearly invisible now. [[]]edit[[]]For some reason your images are not showing up.[[]]edit[[]] I'll take a look on another browser and see what it looks like. But I am using a screen protector already.
welchertc: I was actually ready for an upgrade in a month but the account holder was a few hours late on his scheduled payment for an over due account and it bumped my upgrade deadline to July next year. So I would technically keep the new line for 7 months, then deactivate my current line and transfer the number over. (I believe that it possible...correct me if I am wrong though) I'll think about buying your infuse. Could you either show a picture of the screen or describe its condition? Mine was flawless, until it dropped that is.
So, my options are either buy a used one for $50 less, claim insurance, send to samsung (Should I keep the custom rom on the phone or will this send up red flags? I'm running Jellybean), or live with it until I can upgrade?
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Your cracks got better likely because of the adhesive on your screen protector. That is a decent idea for the op to try though...if no chunks of glass are missing, they could try seeing if a screen protector makes the cracks less noticeable
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Yes, I have the same screen protector on there now that was on there when it cracked (didn't change it).
Maybe the screen protector somehow played a role in the appearance of cracks going away (even though it's the same screen protector).
Maybe the adhesive is soaking into the cracks. Maybe the protector started to pull away from the crack so hides it a little.
Beats me.
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But I am using a screen protector already
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Same as I was. For whatever reason, the screen that looked horrible 5 months ago after I dropped it looks great now... and I didn't do anything (including didn't change screen protector). I was on the verge of spending $156 to have Samsung fix it, and the only reason I didn't was that I didn't want to give up my phone for the period of 1-2 weeks required for that shipping/repair. Now, based on all the factors I mentioned (using black background, getting used to it, and cracked appearance going away somewhat) I'm glad I didn't spend that money.
here are the pictures:
To me, it looks similar to how mine looked. Heavy damage in one corner with cracks spreading accross the screen.
You could try waiting a month or two (three tops). If you see no change, then go ahead and find your replacement. But you might be pleasantly surprised with substantial improvement in appearance (like I was). In the meantime, set your apps and wallpaper to black for very dark backround.
I think I'll wait and see if I can live with it for a month, and if I cannot...then I'll see about replacing the screen first. I'll start the contact with samsung within the week though. I'd rather get the information now and be able to get the replacement screen as quick as possible if I decide to go that route.
Thanks for the advice guys.
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I think I'll wait and see if I can live with it for a month, and if I cannot...then I'll see about replacing the screen first. I'll start the contact with samsung within the week though. I'd rather get the information now and be able to get the replacement screen as quick as possible if I decide to go that route.
Thanks for the advice guys.
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OK. I think it was about two months before I noticed the change. I wasn't expecting a change and therefore wasn't looking for a change, so may not have been really observant. You on the other hand have very good quality pictures of screen and will be watching closely.
** Please do come back here and let us know how it turns out.
(I have zero doubt about what I saw, but I also understand it's difficult for anyone else to believe... would feel better if someone else reports similar observations)
I'm always on the forum, but rarely post because the only threads I usually watch are the ones dealing with development. I'll be sure to let you know about the glass though,
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3) or should I go through AT&T's replacement service and get w/e phone they want to give me? (What phone replaced the Infuse anyway?)
What do you guys think I should do?
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I'd like to know what phone replaced the infuse too, especially since its officially considered an obsolete phone now.
As a matter of fact Rhamza, that's the case you should build to AT&T-that the phone is obsolete. I've heard plenty of cases, including myself, of complaints to service providers and getting whatever it is you want, so long as your nice and get a compliant tech in the line.
Tell them (if u want) that "my cat knocked my phone off the table, breaking my screen. I see that this phone is totally obsolete and unavailable to purchase at any authorized att retailers... I feel I deserve a replacement because"...etc..
I've heard of people getting galaxy phones for the infuse, so it always worth shot. The worst that could happen is they say no.
In this economy never pay a dollar more for something if you don't have to. Millionaires don't.
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Hm, interesting. I'll give it a try. I mean it is worth a shot.
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I finally just went ahead and called samsung and they said the replacement screens including the LCD would cost exactly $155.88 including shipping. I don't think I'll go that route. I get paid Thursday for over 50 hours so AT&T will be contacted about a broken screen.
electricpete1: I have noticed that some parts of the screen do actually look better, however the 4 buttons on the bottom of the screen are starting to not work because of lost glass even after placing a screen protector over the loose pieces. I think they just came off of the LCD portion.
Sliding the unlock to the right on JB (CM10 unofficial) is starting to require a little more pressure than normal.
honestly i'd send it to samsung unless you have insurance, i had bad luck with replacement parts from china despite them having official "samsung" branding and looking legit. the insurance might get you a phone you don't wan't. since i think (not sure) they deal in refurbed phones for insurance but it might however get you an i-777 sgs2 (a nice upgrade if you like the smaller size) since it looks like hey still have new and refurbed i777s in stock online depited it being long out of production like the infuse. but if they a replacement phone you don't want then samsung is the best way to go unless you find a repair service that has a good warranty policy. i've replaced the screen on one of my infuses myself for a single crack across the screen that was barely visable, the replacement screen burned out in under 2 months and it cost me more than what samsung quoted you to fix yours,at the time i didn't want to be without my phone while waiting for a repair and it cost me.
Well I went ahead and went through the insurance company. Supposedly I coudl have had a choice in the phone I was given, but when I clicked on the "Choose more" button it sent me to the same phone, the Galaxy S2 Skyrocket and it said "If you click on 'more options again, you'll be directed to an associate who will attempt to help solve your problem and will not be allowed to continue online at any point" So I stayed with the Skyrocket for now...I'm honestly not sure how I'll like it. Some websites say that the screen is 0.2" smaller than the infuse, other say it is the same. I love my Infuse, but I would rather get a new phone, not one that is a year old already (the skyrocket came out last year in October after all). The phone should be here tomorrow sometime, so I'll report back and let you guys know if it is refurbished or new. In a way I hope that there is something wrong or something I dislike so I can justify attempting to get a nicer, newer phone.
But at least it is coming with ICS and the screen is not broken and there is a modding community here that is amazing! So even if it isn't the best phone I've ever used, it'll still be better than nothing and I can have JB on it within the hour of it arriving. lol
well there was something wrong with it out of the box. (Of course right?) I called Asurion and she said "we'll send you a shipping label and you can send it back to us and when we receive it we'll send you another one right back."
"Wait, I don't have another phone to use while this one is being processed and shipped. What will I do without a phone? I need it for work!"
"Well, go to AT&T and see if they will loan you a phone for about two weeks while we send you another one, but I've never heard of them doing it before."
"Why can't you send me a new phone and when I receive it, I'll send the defective one back?"
"It doesn't work like that."
"If AT&T doesn't hand out a phone for a loan and I miss work because of it, will your company compensate me my $10/hr wage and contact my bosses and explain to them that it is your fault that I missed work?"
"Um, no we can't do that either."
"[[]]sigh[[]] just send me the shipping label and be done with it. This is ridiculous."
"okay. Have a good night." and she hung up the phone.
wth? Rude and not helpful at all. The new phone that I was sent had a defective mic, both on normal calls and speaker phone calls. The AT&T customer service person was really polite and helped me though their trouble shooting guide for the phone and ended up having me go down to AT&T to get a new SIM card. That didn't work, but they activated the new SIM and added the phone to my plan. So the next AT&T rep sent me a phone number to Asurion to get it replaced, because I have 30 days to report a defective device. Well the previous conversation ensued and I find that I am really not satisfied with their representatives. I should have been recording it! jeez.
Here are some photos I took of my Infuse before I put it into the shipping box three days ago.