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Firefox Mobile About To Become A Reality ?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/11/mozilla_plans_mobile_firefox_browser/
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/schrep/archives/2007/10/mozilla_and_mobile.html
About time, too !!

saw that this morning too, quite keen to see what they come up with.
PIE isnt all that great and while picsel is pretty nifty the interface is a bit odd and takes a while to load.
cant wait

* We've seen through Mozilla on the Nokia N800 and Minimo that it is possible to build a great experience on devices by using the Mozilla code.
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Wouldn't agree with this line. The MiniMo on it is pretty rubbish.
Slow, memory hogging and crash often.

Well, I'll at least try it when it comes out.

if addons work as planned, i will be one happy ff user

Finally! I wasn't too pleased with that little minimo project they had going.
Thanks for the good news man.

It's going back !

I am a TYTN II owner and I'm well chuffed with that device. I had a Touch Pro delivered today and I have to say I'm thoroughly underwhelmed. The performance seems pretty sluggish and the browser rendering experience is poor. So I have to say right now mine will either go back to the supplier or will end up on Ebay. It's a shame as I really wanted to like the experience on this device.

Oh the irony! Was your TYTN II as good on its first day as it is today. I have just joined today so as to get help with my new Touch Pro, when it arrives.
Why are you on this forum if you cant wait for others to help with any issues you have discovered with the Touch Pro?

Sorry to hear that!!
IBORGUK said:
I am a TYTN II owner and I'm well chuffed with that device. I had a Touch Pro delivered today and I have to say I'm thoroughly underwhelmed. The performance seems pretty sluggish and the browser rendering experience is poor. So I have to say right now mine will either go back to the supplier or will end up on Ebay. It's a shame as I really wanted to like the experience on this device.
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...but can you elaborate a little more? By "pretty sluggish" do you mean, the TouchFlo 3D, running apps, loading the menus, the camera...just what?
...by "browser rendering experience is poor" do you mean, using IE, loading web pages (which ones?), are you connected with 3G/HSDPA...just what?
More info would help us all...
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Digger. said:
Oh the irony! Was your TYTN II as good on its first day as it is today. I have just joined today so as to get help with my new Touch Pro, when it arrives.
Why are you on this forum if you cant wait for others to help with any issues you have discovered with the Touch Pro?
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It's not a case of not being bothered I just have to say that the experience is poor in my opinion and others who also have lived the windows mobile dream. I really like the hardware but hate the software experience and at 500 quid I'm not willing to gamble on a device experience I don't like, I'll run with my gut on this one.

technillion said:
...but can you elaborate a little more? By "pretty sluggish" do you mean, the TouchFlo 3D, running apps, loading the menus, the camera...just what?
...by "browser rendering experience is poor" do you mean, using IE, loading web pages (which ones?), are you connected with 3G/HSDPA...just what?
More info would help us all...
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TouchFlo is relatively OK performance wise.
Going under the covers to Windows Mobile 6.1 is where it starts to fall apart.
The Browser in use is Opera and yes when connected to HSDPA on a variety of sites including www.bbc.co.uk/news, www.wikipedia.org, www.coolsmartphone.com and others.......
Thanks

IBORGUK said:
It's not a case of not being bothered I just have to say that the experience is poor in my opinion and others who also have lived the windows mobile dream. I really like the hardware but hate the software experience and at 500 quid I'm not willing to gamble on a device experience I don't like, I'll run with my gut on this one.
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Fair enough. Doesnt rank as my best ever first post on a forum . I know what you mean, but I am semi-tied to getting a WinMobile device due to owning a Slingbox. Otherwise it would have been a Nokia E71.

IBORGUK said:
TouchFlo is relatively OK performance wise.
Going under the covers to Windows Mobile 6.1 is where it starts to fall apart.
The Browser in use is Opera and yes when connected to HSDPA on a variety of sites including www.bbc.co.uk/news, www.wikipedia.org, www.coolsmartphone.com and others.......
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Which provider? T Mobile? What speed are you connecting at 3.6. 7.2?

I love mine already.
And I've owned a TyTnII for ages.

Digger. said:
Which provider? T Mobile? What speed are you connecting at 3.6. 7.2?
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TMobile and 3.6 (although in reality that never means more than 800Kps).
I don't think it's connection speed, I think it's the conversion/rendering of the pages into a "desktop browser" format.

rb14 said:
I love mine already.
And I've owned a TyTnII for ages.
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Happy for you . Care to expand your thoughts?

Digger. said:
Happy for you . Care to expand your thoughts?
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Just general performance really. Watching this piece of hardware struggle under Windows Mobile 6.1 trying to keep up with going from landscape to portrait, the aforementioned browser issues and just general speed brings a tear to my eye. Again I really wanted to like the experience but I have to be honest to my first impressions and they are not good.

Wouldn't theoretical maximum for 3,6 MBps be 0,45Mbps, half a meg per second. Also when you state that "when you go under the covers", do you find that you were dissappointed with the WM6.1 OS?? Didn't you already say you were coming from TYTN II, which means you knew perfectly what to wait for. Why so disappointed then.

..and also, don't lose hope just yet. It was only released yesterday. No software is yet well optimized for it, nor the OS is optimized. So it will improve greatly. Just you wait.

rakdoll said:
Wouldn't theoretical maximum for 3,6 MBps be 0,45Mbps, half a meg per second. Also when you state that "when you go under the covers", do you find that you were dissappointed with the WM6.1 OS?? Didn't you already say you were coming from TYTN II, which means you knew perfectly what to wait for. Why so disappointed then.
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Because this fine piece of hardware is sluggish under Windows Mobile 6.1. This is obviously only my own opinion of my own experience, your mileage may vary but bottom line is I'm not happy with how this thing runs.

rakdoll said:
..and also, don't lose hope just yet. It was only released yesterday. No software is yet well optimized for it, nor the OS is optimized. So it will improve greatly. Just you wait.
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Nope I'm done with it. It shouldn't be this hard out of the box.
Again the focus of my disappointment here is the software not the tin.

IBORGUK said:
Because this fine piece of hardware is sluggish under Windows Mobile 6.1. This is obviously only my own opinion of my own experience, your mileage may vary but bottom line is I'm not happy with how this thing runs.
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since you hate it so much send it my way and ill send you 300 quid! Ill even take care of postage.

jasjamming said:
since you hate it so much send it my way and ill send you 300 quid! Ill even take care of postage.
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Nice try fella but I just got the RMA number so it will be going back for a full refund. I hate to say it but I think I'll be jumping off good ship windows mobile for any new purchase. (I can't wait to be flamed on that one !)

What tweaks did you do on your TYTN II, or is it vanilla?

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What tweaks did you do on your TYTN II, or is it vanilla?
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T-Mobile vanilla Windows Mobile 6.0 ROM and it's just good. (Yes I've used non-vanilla, ROMS on other devices e.g TYTN I and seen 'em improve performance.) Maybe I'm just not willing to live that pain on a software config a hardware manufacturer has released directly.

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The Browser in use is Opera and yes when connected to HSDPA on a variety of sites including www.bbc.co.uk/news, www.wikipedia.org, www.coolsmartphone.com and others.......
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Sorry I did not get the point here. Is it too slow or is it not able to render the websites correctly?
I'm currently using the leaked Diamond version of Opera on my TyTN and so far I'm quite happy with it. The higher display resolution might of course consume some extra CPU power, but on the other hand the Touch Pro CPU itself is more powerful then the TyTN one.
It's always difficult to compare different user experiences because everyone has different expectations, so I would really appreciate if you could go a little bit more into detail.

Is HTC going to 'adapt' new Opera Mobile 9.7?

My Blackstone shipped with Opera Mobile 9.5 and it really had a nice look - blended in nicely with the rest of the TF3D and HTC apps.
But it has been >1 year since that, and I decided to check if there are any newer versions of Opera Mobile, because I was a little driven away by not-really-smooth and jumpy animations (in 9.5)
I'm happy to say I tried 9.7b1 and it is much smoother, and everything seems to work better, etc. The thing is, it has some fort of 'whitey' look, so quite opposite to the rest of HTC apps. I reckon 9.5 looked the same, but HTC simply made it look like the rest of their apps.
So my question is - do you know if, and if yes, when, is HTC going to adapt the new Opera's version? (of course I don't expect it to become soon, since it's still a beta, but it is gonna happen when stable is out, right?)
PS.: Oh, and BTW - do you know when is the 9.7 stable release date?

make www browsing good?

how can i get www browsing like safari and ipod touch? it really sucks in winmo and every browser ive tried. i have to tap links many times to load and scrolling is terrible. double tapping space bar when typing like here doesnt add a .. no auto correction whwn typing. page zom kinda sucks too. scrolling and zooming is very slow jerky and not accurate. all this is a horrable experience. what can i do to make it better?
thanks so much

As much as I'd like to give you a better answer, until Skyfire optimizes the browser for the TP2, we're stuck with jagged (Skyfire) or no flash (Opera) options...
Skyfire should release something new soon for the 800x600 screens though...

--Opera
Supposedly you can get Opera Mini to work with Flash. I had it working one time, but then I tried update something and it broke it. I'm not messing with it anymore until the thing is unlocked and I can reflash ROMs to it.

O.P, i'm so with you on this one. It's almost as if you read my mind. Do you know that most times, i turn on WMWifirouter and tether my iPod Touch because the web browsing on it is eons better than on Win Mobile.
The one and only gripe i've ever had against Win Mo has been the terrible browsers and bad webpage renderings.
I think it's the combination of the not so great Qualcomm MSM processor and Opera Mobile's general resource-hungry crappiness that sucks. I'm so down right now.
I read on some other site about some farrrrrr outtttttt rumor that the snapdragon HTC Leo/Touch HD2 might be coming to Sprint around christmas time (codenamed Adonis...or something). I'll see if this rumor gains traction within 30 days and offload my TP2.

I want good www on my tp2 for when I am not able to use my iPod touch and for downloading to the tp2. I don't care one bit about flash. I don't want flash ads and don't use flash except the sites that totally require it on my MacBook pro.
I'm totally desperate to have good www on my tp2.

Nopefully that will be one of the main improvements we get with 6.5. IF we get 6.5.

Coming soon
worwig said:
Nopefully that will be one of the main improvements we get with 6.5. IF we get 6.5.
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We *are* getting 6.5 and it's looking like it will be soon. But, even if the manufacturers failed us on the update, cmonex will shortly deliver HardSPL and you'll have whatever you want.
As for the web browser, a webkit-based browser is currently in the making for winmo devices: http://www.dorothybrowser.com/?pn=home
EDIT: I decided to install this and see where they stand. The browser is actually pretty nice and has some real promise.

zcarman said:
As much as I'd like to give you a better answer, until Skyfire optimizes the browser for the TP2, we're stuck with jagged (Skyfire) or no flash (Opera) options...
Skyfire should release something new soon for the 800x600 screens though...
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Get Opera 9.7 35461 and download Fixoperaflash. Opera 9.7 IS FAST!!!!! It has some cool features and stuff too. And super fast panning and zooming.

9.7 is total crud. I've tried it as I said I tried every browser and tapping on links is not good nor is speed/scrolling and pages don't look nearly as they should. I wish someone would make a www browser and have a forum we can post feedback on and they listen and implement changes. Cus if they did what I and I'm sure all you guys want then www would be great. Mostly I mean performance and formatting pages.
Well the 9.7 build I tried was crud. Don't know if it's the same as you mention but I am guessing it is. Unless a new build came in the last 2 weeks that makes major improovments.

buggs1a said:
how can i get www browsing like safari and ipod touch? <cut out whining> what can i do to make it better?
thanks so much
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Buy an iPhone.
How many threads are you going to make about this topic?
-Daniel

dweidman said:
Buy an iPhone.
How many threads are you going to make about this topic?
-Daniel
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Thank you.

BumpUpppppp

Hmmmmmmmmmm

[Q] Which browser?

Which browser seems to be the best in terms of speed and useability?
Dolphin HD, Firefox, Skyfire, Android Browser, Opera (or mini opera)?
If you have another preference, please recommend.

I always like stock browser, but the new beta Dolphin HD 6.0 is pretty nice as well. Browser preference is really something you can decide. try them out and see which one you like best

I've been using Miren browser since my Vibrant and been very happy with it.
Hope that helps....
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Stock but I'm looking into another one, for some reason I wasn't too happy with Dolphin, maybe I'll try it again

My favorites are stock and Dolphin Mini.

Miren Browser has been the best browser I've used so far other than stock.
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Opera mobile is definitely the best
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STOCK
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greengoldmello said:
Opera mobile is definitely the best
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Yes, Opera Mobile is the best when you have unlimited 4G data and the 4G connection is good, Not only can it do flash videos, you can actually browse with many LIVE tabs open. Yes LIVE TABS, meaning that just because you switch to another tab that you were viewing will still be streaming audio and video in the background, just like on your desktop at home! I don't know any other mobile browser that does this.
Unfortunately, we all know tmobile 4G is iffy at locations, and connection will drop to 2G, but that's alright, because then Opera Mini comes to the rescue and is definitley the fastest most reliable browser on 2G connection, PERIOD!
Even though Opera Mini can't do flash, it does download the audio or video for you to enjoy at your leisure and it will "multitask so you can listen to the audio/video you just downloaded in the background while you surf the web, which is mostly reading articles and looking at pictures anyway, and Opera Mini Excels at this!
Finally, Both Opera browsers render the webpages on their server, giving you unprecedented speeds and saving you data usage. This is a huge plus, because I have the 5GB unlimited plan and I still hit 5GB before my billing cycle ends, although I've never had tmobile "down throttle" me I can feel safe to budget my data using Opera Mobile/mini, and if I want to save battery life and just read forums and articles online without the need for flash videos, I set the settings to only use 2G and browse with Opera Mini.
The other browsers are nice and flashy, but when you get to have true "multitasking" with active widows, fast browsing without the need for 4G, and the benefit of saving battery life and data usage, you can't beat Opera Mini and Mobile...

I have been using Boat Browser mini for a couple of months now. Its not in the market anymore you have to go to www.boatgo.net to get it. Its fast, and easy to use love it. Its has features like screen capture and the copy text feature makes it easy to. Also has themes.

another vote for Miren...although it's not working on my gt10.1, so I'm using dolphin on there.

I'm going to go with Opera Mini and Miren but it's really your preference. Opera mini excels at slow data speeds which is great in a 2g only zone

I used to use Miren, but it hasn't been updated in a while.
I decided to install Opera one day and was blown away by how smooth the scrolling was compared to Miren (which is pretty good in its own right). It was very fluid, which our phones have always lacked relative to the apple phones.

erikikaz said:
I used to use Miren, but it hasn't been updated in a while.
I decided to install Opera one day and was blown away by how smooth the scrolling was compared to Miren (which is pretty good in its own right). It was very fluid, which our phones have always lacked relative to the apple phones.
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Thats exactly what got me hooked; the fast page rendering and the smoothness of the scrolling. Just as good scrolling as iphone now.

erikikaz said:
I used to use Miren, but it hasn't been updated in a while.
I decided to install Opera one day and was blown away by how smooth the scrolling was compared to Miren (which is pretty good in its own right). It was very fluid, which our phones have always lacked relative to the apple phones.
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Are you talking about opera mobile or opera mini when you're referring to the smooth scrolling? Or is it like that on both?

I have Opera Mini, Dolphin and Skyfire, and I only use Dolphin now, not that I think any of the three are good at all but what else can we do

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Are you talking about opera mobile or opera mini when you're referring to the smooth scrolling? Or is it like that on both?
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opera mobile