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Looking for some advice here... The wiki is down, at least for me. I haven't been able to access it for the last two days.
I would like to finally update the ROM on my Tilt, and need some advice on the ROM options. Dutty's WM6.1 Hybrid v2 5.2.19700 seems popular... What other options are there?
Here's some parameters. I am on the original AT&T 1.57.502.2 with the 1.27.12.11 radio (no bloatware). I'd like to find a ROM that's fast, stable, support's AT&T Tilt (US) keyboard layout, includes AT&T's standard network settings, and as much of my "core" software as possible. My "essential software" includes HTC Diamond keyboard set, HTC Album, HTC Home, S2U2, MS Live Search, Calc 1 Lite (from Dutty), Touch dialer, updated Nadavi HTC Camera (5.0.4.2915), OneNote mobile (from Dutty), Opera mini 4 beta (waiting for my Skyfire beta invite...), the M&M Marshall WaitCursor, and my favorite black glossy skin.
I understand this is an open-ended question... just looking for some educated opinions. Maybe the Wiki has good info, but as I said, it's down. Maybe a sticky with a summary listing is in order?
I went with Dutty's because it's tried, true, fast (based on benchmark) and also, probably most importantly, it's so popular that if you have issues then there is a vast array of folks who probably had it before and either has a solution or you know 'that's not fixed yet' so don't waste your time fiddling with it.
My only regret is that I went with the "cubed" version instead of the "non-cubed" as I like some of the other cubes out there...I would suggest going with the non-cubed so if you ever go with any of the cube UIs you can select your own.
You can overwrite the Cube on Dutty's but it's still sitting in the memory area wasting space even when it's not in use.
meanvulcan said:
Looking for some advice here... The wiki is down, at least for me. I haven't been able to access it for the last two days.
I would like to finally update the ROM on my Tilt, and need some advice on the ROM options. Dutty's WM6.1 Hybrid v2 5.2.19700 seems popular... What other options are there?
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Honestly, if you've waited this long, I would wait until the official HTC release comes out this month, as there are bound to be new builds all around. Once would hope the latest release would have the most fixes built in and be the most stable.
Of course, the release may be a hoax...but I would spend two more weeks researching and then if there isn't an official release, at least you will be better informed to use what's out there.
Best Cube UI
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My only regret is that I went with the "cubed" version instead of the "non-cubed" as I like some of the other cubes out there...I would suggest going with the non-cubed so if you ever go with any of the cube UIs you can select your own.
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OK, if the Cube UI included in dutty's is not the best cube, which one is? What are the choices?
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Honestly, if you've waited this long, I would wait until the official HTC release comes out this month, as there are bound to be new builds all around. Once would hope the latest release would have the most fixes built in and be the most stable.
Of course, the release may be a hoax...but I would spend two more weeks researching and then if there isn't an official release, at least you will be better informed to use what's out there.
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Thanks. That makes sense... There also seems to be a new AT&T ROM this week ([05/11/2008] ATT 19213 build with 1.65.20.29 radio) and no cooked updates on top of that
Ummmmm...there are several cooked version of that specific ROM you are looking for!!!!
Shogun Mark's Version
RynCPpr Version
L2 Version
just read the posts they are there!
Which one is cooler? I've been using XBMod's TF3D2 cooked into my fave ROMs for a month now and I've grown quite accustomed to it.
However, As of the last three days I've been using WM6.5 and the interface is nice. I'm still using TF3D2 but I'm considering moving over to WM6.5 becaue its so much lighter, simpler, and snappier.
However, TF3D2 is more versatile and stylish.
What do you guys think?
hmm I think tf3d2 is definitely very nice but because its not part of the os and it has to run on top of winmo, I'd rather give up a little bit of style and keep things going nice and fast without sacrificing ram and resources. And I kinda like the sliders and other new stuff that 6.5 has to offer although I can't wait for 7
I just realized that WM6.5 doesn't do weather I use the weather tab a lot.
I also use the Youtube/Internet tab too in TF3D2
Im using the default. I like TF3D2 alot, but its landscape mode is buggy
Yeah, thats true. I think I'm going to turn to default WM6.5 for a while after all.
i made the leap and flashed my Fuze for the first time and w/ Da_G's base WM 6.5 rom. i like the new 6.5 today/home interface. i also wouldn't be surprised if icons get added to the text on the home page once the final version is released. while TF3D has a lot of nice features, it's ultimately eye candy. i think the 6.5 interface consolidates things nicely on one screen and is finger-friendly enough. when i was using the stock rom, i was actually using PointUI's Home2 instead of TF3D as that just used too many resources and I really only used maybe 3 tabs.
*rant/aside*
i think microsoft needs to bring WM to a level where the core functionality of the device, foremost it's phone/communicating functions, is solid and can stand on its own without these user-made shells/enhancements. honestly, i think this is where the iphone succeeds--it's core functionality is done very well and for probably 90+% of the market, it does what users need it to do w/o any hassles. on the other hand, w/ WM more often than not, one is always trying to tweak the device as the UI and/or out-of-box experience isn't always pleasant. as for tweaking, frankly it gets tiring and frustrating--i've got other things in my life to do and would much rather be able to have a device that's useable right out of the box. overlooking its lack of physical keyboard and deficiencies w/ bluetooth (which should be remedied in OS 3.0), if the iphone platform weren't so locked down (have to go through apps store for everything and compulsory internet plans), i probably would have gone that route and am still contemplating it as my next phone.
^I don't think you get the value of the M$ business model.
Mac for iPhone is just like Mac for their home computers; its designed the way that the OEM wants it, and since they are the OEM, thats that.
WinMo is designed to appeal to a much much larger range of distributors. Its designed vanilla to keep costs low so that the resellers can tweak it however they want and make their own product out of it. People are happy to use the product as it is. Its mostly just the geeks that get annoyed with it, but all the T-Mobile Wing users out there don't complain, despite the phone running like a smelly piece of ass. Why? Because its cheap and, in the end, gets the job done.
You'll never catch a business mass ordering iPhones for their field workers because that's not what they are for. iPhones are entertainment devices. WinMo phones are work devices.
Its actually very intelligent. Sure, the OS isn't as tight as it could be, but they can get away with it because its such an effective model. Its just how business works.
6.5 does do weather. you install titanium weather. i like tf3d better. its flashier which is always a wow factor and i think alot more development went into it. chome is good but it does feel like a competitor. an iphone user wouldnt be impressed with chome. its up to you what you want to use. the brilliance of windows mobile is you can have it look and do whatever the hell you want.
So I'm back to Wm6.1. Didn't like the random bugs in Wm6.5and there was nothing special about it anyway.
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So I'm back to Wm6.1. Didn't like the random bugs in Wm6.5and there was nothing special about it anyway.
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You just did exactly what I was going to suggest you do...
I HIGHLY suggest you try out EnergyROM 2.0 series... IMHO it's the best 6.1-TF3d2 ROM out there: It's fast and furious, no joke.
Rock on.
Is it CDMA-compatible?
I don't think a fair comparison can be made between 2 leaked beta interfaces that may never be officially released for our device. TF3D2 does come off more polished because it's a whole lot closer to release. It will be interesting to see what HTC brings to 6.5. I can't imagine that they won't bring some part of TF3D interface along to maintain their own branding. It's inevitable that everyone here who doesn't jump to another phone will be running 6.5 eventually, whether it's officially released for the tp or not. I'm also interested in what effect the Palm Pre's interface will have on WM devices. I haven't used a Pre, but I have used TealOS on my wifes 755P and it points the way to a superior interface for a multitasking environment. Task managment is not something WM has ever done well and neither 6.5 or TF3D seems to improve that much at all.
A TechEd 2009 video gives more information on widgets, talks about how the UI in Windows Mobile 6.5 was rushed, and that Silverlight won't be coming till a later version.
More info:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/05/windows-mobile-65-widget-details-no-silverlight.ars
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Windows Mobile 6.5: the UI was rushed
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and your suprised by this?
I had the beta on my omnia for what must have been about 10 seconds.... its awefull.
SPB Pocket Shell/TouchFlow are FAR better (well SPB PS is the best of both but thats my personal opinion).
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and your suprised by this?
I had the beta on my omnia for what must have been about 10 seconds.... its awefull.
SPB Pocket Shell/TouchFlow are FAR better (well SPB PS is the best of both but thats my personal opinion).
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I am not surprised
In fact I have not installed and don´t want to...
Just wanted to share the info
the home screen from 6.5 is a long overdue 6.1 update.
remember when standard got chome in 6.1 and when the shadow got the first version in 6.0...
every professional user asked where is our home screen update ?
microsoft said they had no plans on a professional chome version. but looking at the reg for 6.5 its the same minus a few changes from tmobile neo home screen and 6.1 standard chome.
so microsoft needs to step up and hire some actuall workers instead of these assclowns living the comfortable life and releasing crappy upgrades.
Well, don't be so surprised it's only a bit of a cosmetical change. Although some things are really changed from the ground up (apparantly). But all in all it's just a patched up 6.1, just to get through time until WM7 comes out.
And ofcourse they're not going to invest such an amount of money and effort in 6.5 when they have WM7 coming along. It's just that they were forced in 'upgrading' 6.1 because the whole market is asking for finger friendly and smooth scrolling stuff.
Personally I think 6.5 is what 6.0 should have been (or at least 6.1). MS is a bit too late. While we all here kinda love WM, the WM platform is getting more and more negative amongst people. And with Android, Palm Pre and the iPhone as direct competition I don't think 6.5 will close the gap :/.
That said, I do love the improvements in 6.5. It's better than 6.1. And that's about it, but a welcome change and improvement. And improvement which we should have gotten a long time ago!
6.5 is just a band-aid to hold people off until WM7 comes, which should be awesome (if it ever comes). WM6.5 is certainly an improvement over previous WM versions, but it's still nothing too special.
However, the one thing I really notice is the new IE6 mobile. It actually works quite well, and I've been using it instead of Opera for a while, with no regrets. The only problem is that is still doesn't do flash video very well on my device, but that will probably improve in more final builds. Overall, I'm quite happy with it.
WM 6.5 is certainly better than 6.1, as I said before, but seeing how much time MS put into it, it seems like we could have gotten something a little better than some bigger menus, minor UI tweaks, a new home screen, and an improved browser (not really saying much, my 1980 Commodore PET does better web browsing than the old version of PIE). Just some of my thoughts.
Dave
If you ask me, looking at the size of a software project it is, they didn't invest a lot of time in it at all. As they admit, it's rushed.
I think they started this too late, and rushed us a semi finished product which does resolve some of the biggest issues most people have with WM. But the 6.5 was probably never planned in a way as it is now... I doubt they started it after (or even before as is kinda usual) 6.1.
I love WM 6.5, I think that the improvements may not be amazing, but they are still needed, and help improve the overall experience of WM.
I've been using our great xda chefs 6.5 beta roms for months, and I would never go back to 6.1!
The UI is one thing...
That MS is incapable of producing semi-decent applications (SMS, Phone, Weather), which any programmer is capable of doing in a couple of months is a disgrace.
The SMS application specifically, even in 6.5, makes me puke. It's 1993 all over again. It's f****g unprofessionnal.
I have little hope for 7 to be honest... And I will probably go back to the iphone or to Android
how can i get www browsing like safari and ipod touch? it really sucks in winmo and every browser ive tried. i have to tap links many times to load and scrolling is terrible. double tapping space bar when typing like here doesnt add a .. no auto correction whwn typing. page zom kinda sucks too. scrolling and zooming is very slow jerky and not accurate. all this is a horrable experience. what can i do to make it better?
thanks so much
As much as I'd like to give you a better answer, until Skyfire optimizes the browser for the TP2, we're stuck with jagged (Skyfire) or no flash (Opera) options...
Skyfire should release something new soon for the 800x600 screens though...
--Opera
Supposedly you can get Opera Mini to work with Flash. I had it working one time, but then I tried update something and it broke it. I'm not messing with it anymore until the thing is unlocked and I can reflash ROMs to it.
O.P, i'm so with you on this one. It's almost as if you read my mind. Do you know that most times, i turn on WMWifirouter and tether my iPod Touch because the web browsing on it is eons better than on Win Mobile.
The one and only gripe i've ever had against Win Mo has been the terrible browsers and bad webpage renderings.
I think it's the combination of the not so great Qualcomm MSM processor and Opera Mobile's general resource-hungry crappiness that sucks. I'm so down right now.
I read on some other site about some farrrrrr outtttttt rumor that the snapdragon HTC Leo/Touch HD2 might be coming to Sprint around christmas time (codenamed Adonis...or something). I'll see if this rumor gains traction within 30 days and offload my TP2.
I want good www on my tp2 for when I am not able to use my iPod touch and for downloading to the tp2. I don't care one bit about flash. I don't want flash ads and don't use flash except the sites that totally require it on my MacBook pro.
I'm totally desperate to have good www on my tp2.
Nopefully that will be one of the main improvements we get with 6.5. IF we get 6.5.
Coming soon
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Nopefully that will be one of the main improvements we get with 6.5. IF we get 6.5.
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We *are* getting 6.5 and it's looking like it will be soon. But, even if the manufacturers failed us on the update, cmonex will shortly deliver HardSPL and you'll have whatever you want.
As for the web browser, a webkit-based browser is currently in the making for winmo devices: http://www.dorothybrowser.com/?pn=home
EDIT: I decided to install this and see where they stand. The browser is actually pretty nice and has some real promise.
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As much as I'd like to give you a better answer, until Skyfire optimizes the browser for the TP2, we're stuck with jagged (Skyfire) or no flash (Opera) options...
Skyfire should release something new soon for the 800x600 screens though...
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Get Opera 9.7 35461 and download Fixoperaflash. Opera 9.7 IS FAST!!!!! It has some cool features and stuff too. And super fast panning and zooming.
9.7 is total crud. I've tried it as I said I tried every browser and tapping on links is not good nor is speed/scrolling and pages don't look nearly as they should. I wish someone would make a www browser and have a forum we can post feedback on and they listen and implement changes. Cus if they did what I and I'm sure all you guys want then www would be great. Mostly I mean performance and formatting pages.
Well the 9.7 build I tried was crud. Don't know if it's the same as you mention but I am guessing it is. Unless a new build came in the last 2 weeks that makes major improovments.
buggs1a said:
how can i get www browsing like safari and ipod touch? <cut out whining> what can i do to make it better?
thanks so much
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Buy an iPhone.
How many threads are you going to make about this topic?
-Daniel
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Buy an iPhone.
How many threads are you going to make about this topic?
-Daniel
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Thank you.
BumpUpppppp
Hmmmmmmmmmm
I have been using and programming iPhones for 4 years. I got sick of the crap going on with Apple and the phone and got talked into the WM 6.1 HTC Touch Pro 2. After tweaking and adding special apps to the Pro 2, I have a phone that works as good as an iPhone (gave them away last week). But with the Pro 2, I have an excellent keyboard, (and a terrific one on the screen). I have made the screen very sensitive (changed the register). The HTC syncs easily even wtih bluetooth. And with the new Skyfire browser app, I can view over 90 percent of the videos on the internet.
Should I upgrade to WM 6.5? Could I lose some of my added programs and tweaks? I used to have this problem when I upgraded the iPhones.
It sounds like your happy with what you have so its probably not worth the hassle. 6.5 has a better internet explorer which still sucks and has better performance but nothing spectacular.
John Cipolletti said:
I have been using and programming iPhones for 4 years. I got sick of the crap going on with Apple and the phone and got talked into the WM 6.1 HTC Touch Pro 2. After tweaking and adding special apps to the Pro 2, I have a phone that works as good as an iPhone (gave them away last week). But with the Pro 2, I have an excellent keyboard, (and a terrific one on the screen). I have made the screen very sensitive (changed the register). The HTC syncs easily even wtih bluetooth. And with the new Skyfire browser app, I can view over 90 percent of the videos on the internet.
Should I upgrade to WM 6.5? Could I lose some of my added programs and tweaks? I used to have this problem when I upgraded the iPhones.
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Well, have in mind that 6.5 is more RAM eater than 6.1 so I don´t think you get it working faster than 6.1 (if you do please let me know)
6.5 is indeed more nice graphics, better UI and much more finger friendly and because of this RAM consumption is higher
Personally I prefer 6.5, I have it running on my Rhodium very smooth.
By the way, there is no such problem upgrading!!
Just my opinion, hope it helped
6.5.3 is better in most respects than 6.1 - I shouldnt imagine there would be much of a memory/speed issue considering its a HD2..
BUT..
As has been said before, if you are happy with what the phone is running now and you've made the adjustments you need for it to be how you like it its probably easier to leave it running 6.1 simply on the old adage "if it aint broke, dont fix it" - one which I have ignored a couple of times and spent a few hours laboriously putting my phone back to the way I had it before (early 6.5 build ROM's come to mind).
6.5.3 is prettier, and slightly easier on the touch-centric side of things, but thats really all the difference there is - so you have to decide whether thats enough for you to spend the time and risk in upgrading..
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Well, have in mind that 6.5 is more RAM eater than 6.1 so I don´t think you get it working faster than 6.1 (if you do please let me know)
6.5 is indeed more nice graphics, better UI and much more finger friendly and because of this RAM consumption is higher
Personally I prefer 6.5 even if it´s slightly slower.
Just my opinion, hope it helped
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Anyway, I prefer Wm 6.5 too! A better UI worth 5 or 6 mb of extra used ram (at least, on my diamond, with a small screen)!
Still a hardcore 6.1 user, yes 6.5 looks nicer but i like my phones no frills stable & functional, tryed to get into 6.5 but every ROM pushes me back to 6.1 without the feeling i'm missing out..
Of cause this is just personal oppinion and the only way you will find out is via flashin after all you can always revert back...
Have fun flashing
I've went back to 6.1 due to stability in the past.