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TF3D2 vs WM6.5 Default

Which one is cooler? I've been using XBMod's TF3D2 cooked into my fave ROMs for a month now and I've grown quite accustomed to it.
However, As of the last three days I've been using WM6.5 and the interface is nice. I'm still using TF3D2 but I'm considering moving over to WM6.5 becaue its so much lighter, simpler, and snappier.
However, TF3D2 is more versatile and stylish.
What do you guys think?

hmm I think tf3d2 is definitely very nice but because its not part of the os and it has to run on top of winmo, I'd rather give up a little bit of style and keep things going nice and fast without sacrificing ram and resources. And I kinda like the sliders and other new stuff that 6.5 has to offer although I can't wait for 7

I just realized that WM6.5 doesn't do weather I use the weather tab a lot.
I also use the Youtube/Internet tab too in TF3D2

Im using the default. I like TF3D2 alot, but its landscape mode is buggy

Yeah, thats true. I think I'm going to turn to default WM6.5 for a while after all.

i made the leap and flashed my Fuze for the first time and w/ Da_G's base WM 6.5 rom. i like the new 6.5 today/home interface. i also wouldn't be surprised if icons get added to the text on the home page once the final version is released. while TF3D has a lot of nice features, it's ultimately eye candy. i think the 6.5 interface consolidates things nicely on one screen and is finger-friendly enough. when i was using the stock rom, i was actually using PointUI's Home2 instead of TF3D as that just used too many resources and I really only used maybe 3 tabs.
*rant/aside*
i think microsoft needs to bring WM to a level where the core functionality of the device, foremost it's phone/communicating functions, is solid and can stand on its own without these user-made shells/enhancements. honestly, i think this is where the iphone succeeds--it's core functionality is done very well and for probably 90+% of the market, it does what users need it to do w/o any hassles. on the other hand, w/ WM more often than not, one is always trying to tweak the device as the UI and/or out-of-box experience isn't always pleasant. as for tweaking, frankly it gets tiring and frustrating--i've got other things in my life to do and would much rather be able to have a device that's useable right out of the box. overlooking its lack of physical keyboard and deficiencies w/ bluetooth (which should be remedied in OS 3.0), if the iphone platform weren't so locked down (have to go through apps store for everything and compulsory internet plans), i probably would have gone that route and am still contemplating it as my next phone.

^I don't think you get the value of the M$ business model.
Mac for iPhone is just like Mac for their home computers; its designed the way that the OEM wants it, and since they are the OEM, thats that.
WinMo is designed to appeal to a much much larger range of distributors. Its designed vanilla to keep costs low so that the resellers can tweak it however they want and make their own product out of it. People are happy to use the product as it is. Its mostly just the geeks that get annoyed with it, but all the T-Mobile Wing users out there don't complain, despite the phone running like a smelly piece of ass. Why? Because its cheap and, in the end, gets the job done.
You'll never catch a business mass ordering iPhones for their field workers because that's not what they are for. iPhones are entertainment devices. WinMo phones are work devices.
Its actually very intelligent. Sure, the OS isn't as tight as it could be, but they can get away with it because its such an effective model. Its just how business works.

6.5 does do weather. you install titanium weather. i like tf3d better. its flashier which is always a wow factor and i think alot more development went into it. chome is good but it does feel like a competitor. an iphone user wouldnt be impressed with chome. its up to you what you want to use. the brilliance of windows mobile is you can have it look and do whatever the hell you want.

So I'm back to Wm6.1. Didn't like the random bugs in Wm6.5and there was nothing special about it anyway.

hidavi said:
So I'm back to Wm6.1. Didn't like the random bugs in Wm6.5and there was nothing special about it anyway.
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You just did exactly what I was going to suggest you do...
I HIGHLY suggest you try out EnergyROM 2.0 series... IMHO it's the best 6.1-TF3d2 ROM out there: It's fast and furious, no joke.
Rock on.

Is it CDMA-compatible?

I don't think a fair comparison can be made between 2 leaked beta interfaces that may never be officially released for our device. TF3D2 does come off more polished because it's a whole lot closer to release. It will be interesting to see what HTC brings to 6.5. I can't imagine that they won't bring some part of TF3D interface along to maintain their own branding. It's inevitable that everyone here who doesn't jump to another phone will be running 6.5 eventually, whether it's officially released for the tp or not. I'm also interested in what effect the Palm Pre's interface will have on WM devices. I haven't used a Pre, but I have used TealOS on my wifes 755P and it points the way to a superior interface for a multitasking environment. Task managment is not something WM has ever done well and neither 6.5 or TF3D seems to improve that much at all.

Getting sick of WM, What would you switch to?

I have recently been getting really irritated at WM and how difficult such easy tasks are. I have been getting irritated at the stability, lack of features, difficulty to use among other things.
Other OS's seem just so far ahead of WM even with 6.5 and 7, by the time 7 comes out ill probably have another 3 phones anyways.
Just wondering everyone elses opinions.

Well, 6.5 is coming out soon, May 11 to be precise. I'll stick with WM, and if for some strange reason probably involving torture I get tired of WM, I'll go with Symbian, since the Omnia HD runs it and the Omnia HD is AWESOME!

icewhitenewyear said:
I have recently been getting really irritated at WM and how difficult such easy tasks are. I have been getting irritated at the stability, lack of features, difficulty to use among other things.
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Same here man!
I won't stick von Windows Mobile, I will sell my Xperia and buy an iPhone. Maybe I will sell my iPhone when WM 7 will be released, but untill this day, the iPhone experiance is something special. Windows mobile interface looks like the ones, from the first Pocket PCs from 1999!
Especially the landscape mode in WM sucks because of this windows task bar, it kills half of the screen in landscape mode!!
And the videos are bucking in the first seconds, forwarding mp3 has got deceleration and so one. That's not what I expect from my phone.
Even when WM has a lot of things which are great (torrent, mms, possibilties to modify it, business stuff), the iPhone has a lot of thing which are even greater (multitouch, smooth and easy interface, fingerfriendly menus, nice mp3 and video function).
Just like I said, right now the iPhone is the ultimate touch experiance.
I hope WM 7 will change it, so that I can buy a Xperia again, because I love the hardware and the look of this phone.
I said a lot about that in a other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3660089&postcount=43
@ Kafro
Yes, Idou will be great too
http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/256/

Andriod or Symbian.
That means Get G1 or wait for Idou..

i am running android on my vogue and its great
but i really want to try out webos cuz im blown away with the vids

Would DEFINITELY go to the new iPhone in June hands down.

Windows Mobile 6.5: the UI was rushed, more on widgets

A TechEd 2009 video gives more information on widgets, talks about how the UI in Windows Mobile 6.5 was rushed, and that Silverlight won't be coming till a later version.
More info:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/05/windows-mobile-65-widget-details-no-silverlight.ars
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Windows Mobile 6.5: the UI was rushed
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and your suprised by this?
I had the beta on my omnia for what must have been about 10 seconds.... its awefull.
SPB Pocket Shell/TouchFlow are FAR better (well SPB PS is the best of both but thats my personal opinion).

Monty Burns said:
and your suprised by this?
I had the beta on my omnia for what must have been about 10 seconds.... its awefull.
SPB Pocket Shell/TouchFlow are FAR better (well SPB PS is the best of both but thats my personal opinion).
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I am not surprised
In fact I have not installed and don´t want to...
Just wanted to share the info

the home screen from 6.5 is a long overdue 6.1 update.
remember when standard got chome in 6.1 and when the shadow got the first version in 6.0...
every professional user asked where is our home screen update ?
microsoft said they had no plans on a professional chome version. but looking at the reg for 6.5 its the same minus a few changes from tmobile neo home screen and 6.1 standard chome.
so microsoft needs to step up and hire some actuall workers instead of these assclowns living the comfortable life and releasing crappy upgrades.

Well, don't be so surprised it's only a bit of a cosmetical change. Although some things are really changed from the ground up (apparantly). But all in all it's just a patched up 6.1, just to get through time until WM7 comes out.
And ofcourse they're not going to invest such an amount of money and effort in 6.5 when they have WM7 coming along. It's just that they were forced in 'upgrading' 6.1 because the whole market is asking for finger friendly and smooth scrolling stuff.
Personally I think 6.5 is what 6.0 should have been (or at least 6.1). MS is a bit too late. While we all here kinda love WM, the WM platform is getting more and more negative amongst people. And with Android, Palm Pre and the iPhone as direct competition I don't think 6.5 will close the gap :/.
That said, I do love the improvements in 6.5. It's better than 6.1. And that's about it, but a welcome change and improvement. And improvement which we should have gotten a long time ago!

6.5 is just a band-aid to hold people off until WM7 comes, which should be awesome (if it ever comes). WM6.5 is certainly an improvement over previous WM versions, but it's still nothing too special.
However, the one thing I really notice is the new IE6 mobile. It actually works quite well, and I've been using it instead of Opera for a while, with no regrets. The only problem is that is still doesn't do flash video very well on my device, but that will probably improve in more final builds. Overall, I'm quite happy with it.
WM 6.5 is certainly better than 6.1, as I said before, but seeing how much time MS put into it, it seems like we could have gotten something a little better than some bigger menus, minor UI tweaks, a new home screen, and an improved browser (not really saying much, my 1980 Commodore PET does better web browsing than the old version of PIE). Just some of my thoughts.
Dave

If you ask me, looking at the size of a software project it is, they didn't invest a lot of time in it at all. As they admit, it's rushed.
I think they started this too late, and rushed us a semi finished product which does resolve some of the biggest issues most people have with WM. But the 6.5 was probably never planned in a way as it is now... I doubt they started it after (or even before as is kinda usual) 6.1.

I love WM 6.5, I think that the improvements may not be amazing, but they are still needed, and help improve the overall experience of WM.

I've been using our great xda chefs 6.5 beta roms for months, and I would never go back to 6.1!

The UI is one thing...
That MS is incapable of producing semi-decent applications (SMS, Phone, Weather), which any programmer is capable of doing in a couple of months is a disgrace.
The SMS application specifically, even in 6.5, makes me puke. It's 1993 all over again. It's f****g unprofessionnal.
I have little hope for 7 to be honest... And I will probably go back to the iphone or to Android

how to make the touch pro as smooth as an iphone

iphone speed and scrolling is very impressing. is there anyway to speed up the touch pro to get such speeds ?

To be honest, I don't think the iPhone is as fast as it seems. Part of the loading time is masked in the animations it uses (like when you touch an icon, it takes a little bit of time to expand teh window). It's fast, but not as fast as everyone thinks it is.
But regardless, the touch pro probably won't be as fast and smooth as the iphone, but try flashing a custom rom like Energy rom. It's built to be really fast. And having WM 6.5 gives smoother scrolling (not as good as the iphone though).

FireGX said:
To be honest, I don't think the iPhone is as fast as it seems. Part of the loading time is masked in the animations it uses (like when you touch an icon, it takes a little bit of time to expand teh window). It's fast, but not as fast as everyone thinks it is.
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but you still have to admire the research/QA/testing they went through to make the iPhone seem as fast as possible...
that saying, you won't get that with WM... WM, apps share memory/processing power(while in iPhone, only ONE app gets all the resources at a time, except the music player that Apple can optimize as best as possible)...

They are two different beasts, you won't get them to act exactly the same
That being said, I must admit that I am quite enjoying EnergyROM 3.0 "Warhawk" - It is the fastest and smoothest WM 6.5 Rom i've installed yet (not saying i've installed much else besides energyroms, but I am quite happy with it, and looking forward to what else he releases next for the Touch Pro

cool, i might try it out
I have juicy 8, but i might try enerygy
i cant stand juicys 8 start menu and how the scrolling is so limited and every single thing is in the start are scattered.
but the touchflo is quick ...
but i use mobile shell lol...
i hate the scrollin lags on this phone
i checked out my buddies iphone and almost considered the switch. if the iphone had a keyboard, i would have switched.
its just such a quick and smooth phone.

i think my phone runs faster than an iphone.. atleast faster than my ipod touch. Running NRG's Warhawk since Aug 11. and its still smooth as the day i flashed the rom!
I think your noticing the difference in scrolling because of the screens, capacitive vs resistive.

FireGX said:
To be honest, I don't think the iPhone is as fast as it seems. Part of the loading time is masked in the animations it uses (like when you touch an icon, it takes a little bit of time to expand teh window). It's fast, but not as fast as everyone thinks it is.
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You are correct. The iPhone uses a lot of neat tricks to to give the perception of speed and it absolutely works. However, make no mistake about it, the iPhone really is more powerful than WinMo phones.
Aside from the new 3GS using the Cortex A8 (which only the WinMo-based TG01 can match), the OSX Mobile can also utilized the newer tech in modern CPUs unlike Windows Mobile.
I have to agree with some others, though. As someone who tried the 3GS, the fastest WinMo can come is easily EnergyRom. It is probably the smoothest WinMo ROM I know of.

8525Smart said:
You are correct. The iPhone uses a lot of neat tricks to to give the perception of speed and it absolutely works. However, make no mistake about it, the iPhone really is more powerful than WinMo phones.
Aside from the new 3GS using the Cortex A8 (which only the WinMo-based TG01 can match), the OSX Mobile can also utilized the newer tech in modern CPUs unlike Windows Mobile.
I have to agree with some others, though. As someone who tried the 3GS, the fastest WinMo can come is easily EnergyRom. It is probably the smoothest WinMo ROM I know of.
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Only the iPhone has an ap for this:

The iPhone was designed from the ground up to be a touch screen friendly device, which is why it works so well. As others have said a lot of software optimization adds to that speed. I just got my wife a 3GS and have been playing around with it. It slow's down if you push it too hard.
If Microsoft would actually do something new with Windows Mobile instead of upgrading code from WM5 or older versions our phones would easily out perform it with multiple apps running. Especially with the 1ghz chips and Nvidia processors coming.
I tried other ROMs but for me the stock ROM worked the best. With the HTC update it is much faster than ever before. Keeping your memory clear your phone can be just as good as the iPhone and better in many ways. There are a lot of things the Touch Pro can do that the iPhone never will thanks to how proprietary Apple is.
If only Microsoft would stop sitting on their hands and release a brand new OS and stop upgrading....

A lot of the UI in the iPhone is graphics accelerated, very much UNLIKE Windows Mobile. Additionally, because it uses Quartz Express, it's a heck of a lot more optimized than practically any UI available for Windows Mobile, including HTC TouchFLO 3D.
I sincerely hope that this is improved in Windows Mobile 7. It has a lot of potential to provide the same smoothness as Apple delivers right now. I picked up an iPhone 3G today, and it's silky SMOOTH, but not necessarily fast...

After having qtek s100, htc touch dual, htc touch,htc diamond and htc touch pro I've finally ordered an Iphone 3GS. I've been able to have it during 2 days and have to admit it is really smooth and beautiful ! It does exactly what you want no annoying bug etc...I'm fed up with WM. Too slow, too laggy. Hopefully some like NRG has managed to make it better !

10332007 said:
If Microsoft would actually do something new with Windows Mobile instead of upgrading code from WM5 or older versions our phones would easily out perform it with multiple apps running. Especially with the 1ghz chips and Nvidia processors coming.
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With the new WinMo7 I think, and really hope, that they are rewriting the code and not just upgrading. I am anxiously awaiting the release of WinMo7 to see if it comes up and kicks some iPhone butt!

I have both devices right now and the apples scrolling is better for sure but you have to remember that only one app can run at a time. Much more performance is given to the apple vs wm.
That being said I love the fact that I can actually MULTI TASK on Windows Mobile. Which is why I upgraded to this phone. Scrolling isnt a big issue for me I think its alright (using energy rom)

Well I have been using the latest energy ROM and it is by far the fastest Rom I have used. I'm not saying it is as fast as the iPhone's animations but the rom runs smoother and faster than any other Rom I have seen befor. I'm using the 6.5 Genesis ROM.

eddyg519 said:
I have both devices right now and the apples scrolling is better for sure but you have to remember that only one app can run at a time. Much more performance is given to the apple vs wm.
That being said I love the fact that I can actually MULTI TASK on Windows Mobile. Which is why I upgraded to this phone. Scrolling isnt a big issue for me I think its alright (using energy rom)
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You can Multi Task on Iphone thanks to Jailbreak......and don't tell me jailbreaking is not safe cause CID and HardSPL unlock + flashing with a new ROM is the same

flashmp3 said:
You can Multi Task on Iphone thanks to Jailbreak......and don't tell me jailbreaking is not safe cause CID and HardSPL unlock + flashing with a new ROM is the same
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I was just gonna say that. Even after jailbreaking and multi-tasking I still feel the iPhone is more responsive than any WM device.

But the iphones are really make explosions . Win mo don`t

I dunno.... have you ever tried turning on bluetooth, gps, and wifi at the same time? My fuze gets so hot you can't touch it, I've pulled the battery before just to cool it down.

Please Mods, I implore you, close this pointless thread!
Who give a %&$* which one you like, this site is to support HTC devices which run WinMo and Android OS.
Applechians please go waste Apples bandwidth with your pointless rhetoric.

Bruce Inman said:
Please Mods, I implore you, close this pointless thread!
Who give a %&$* which one you like, this site is to support HTC devices which run WinMo and Android OS.
Applechians please go waste Apples bandwidth with your pointless rhetoric.
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get a life

Is There Any Performance Gain in WM 6.5?

I have an official 6.5 upgrade program for my WM phone but......
I haven't seen anything about a performance boost in this upgrade. It looks like the improvement is in how pretty something is. Well, after 4 years of using and programming iPhones I got tired of all the problems, attitudes (in Apple and AT&T), and limitations (like NO flash player). I thought about an Android OS but was talked into WM 6.1. Because of terrific programmers like I find on sites like this, I used apps and tweaks to make my Touch Pro2 work as good as my iPhones (believe it or not). I even gave away my last iPhone a couple of weeks ago. Now, I have a WM phone that does what I did on the Apple phone but better. With this WM OS 6.1 I have a supersensitive screen, all the apps I had on my other phones, and with Skyfire 1.5, I have a pretty good browser with a flash player. Sooo...will I get anything more out of upgrading to 6.5? Please let me know? I would even appreciate it if you could contact me at [email protected].
John C