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Hello,
I am a Newbie in both o2 xda II and pocket pc ...
I just would like some links on technicals documentation
on those devices:
How it work ?
Is there a boot process ?
what is a hard reset ?
what is the rom, is there some windows inside ?
I don't search for documentation on how to use my pocket pc,
I really search how it work:
I would like to install linux on this device for exemple, but I am would like to know if I can go back on the windows system after.
I am not afraid to lose my configuration or my personal data on this device. But they don't give me a re-install software for windows, so if I install linux, how I can swich back ?
As I said, I am a Newbie on those device, and so, I see the device as a computer and I know this is wrong,
Can you help me or give me some links ?
Thank you in advance for help
Guillaume
"How it work ? "
now there is a question left pretty open
it would be like saying how does a pc works
"Is there a boot process ? "
well first time you start it yes and if you do a reset
"what is a hard reset ? "
it's clearing the memory == everything in ram not rom
"what is the rom, is there some windows inside ?"
rom is read only memory, when you get the device there is a version of windows in the rom
" would like to install linux on this device for exemple, but I am would like to know if I can go back on the windows system after."
there is a linux which will install on the xda but i doubt that it's fully functional and pretty much for developers who like to mess around
not even sure if it got a working phone part
"I am not afraid to lose my configuration or my personal data on this device. But they don't give me a re-install software for windows, so if I install linux, how I can swich back ?"
i would asume that you could reflash your device so it would be windows once more unless something broke or got soo corrupted then you had to JTAG it back to health
if you dont feel you know much about these devices i would advice you leave it as it is or get somebody else to help you or learn a lot first
because otherwise you could end up with a dead device[/quote]
here is some reading
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/HimalayaHardware
I'm sorry for being so loud, but I've seen a few "progress pages" in Wikis and I still can't get a clear picture of who (if anyone) is actually working on linux for the HTC Magician (Qtek s100, iMate Jam, Dopod xxx, etc.).
I found this project:
http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~zabel/magician/README
and it appears to be very very promising; it already delivers some small functionality on the magician (I've tried it). But there is much much work to do before it can be released to the general public.
In general, I don't think there are many people working to get the Magician on Linux...
So I am asking here: are you working on this? do you know who is working on this?
I am a SW developer by trade, but I have no time at home to code.
However, I would like to give whatever little time I can find to:
- act as a beta tester;
- develop one or two patches (kernel mostly);
so we can get Linux running on the Magician.
Thank you.
Hi,
This doese indeed look promising.
I have no qualifications in software etc, but i do like fiddling with linux -).
I too would be a beta tester.
So is anyone working on this?
Hi. As vnevoa found out, I am working on the Magician when I find the time.
Unfortunately, to my knowledge, there is no-one else currently working on this. So developers are needed!
For people interested in kernel hacking, there is the [email protected] mailing list and the #htc-linux IRC channel on freenode.net
The biggest missing parts currently are battery control, sound and the phone.
For everyone else, any improvements to the Magician wiki pages would be more than welcome. To build a proper userspace image for the Magician, support for this machine in OpenEmbedded has to be improved.
Wow!
That haret thingy is wonderfull.
What is the current state of the version for the Magician? Does it boot to GPE?
This is a great thing, really. No need to flash a new firmware, and boot linux! Amazing. I'm using Linux on ipaq and it is very nice. But I would miss phone operation. With haret we can have both things running.
Good work. Has anyone tested USB host on magician under linux?
futaris said:
Good work. Has anyone tested USB host on magician under linux?
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USB host works, but it is not connected to the usb plug.
The bluetooth chipset is a CSR usb chip.
pH5 said:
USB host works, but it is not connected to the usb plug.
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does that mean, usbnet is not possible? in my case, nothing happens if i connect the magician to my computer. dmesg and lsusb say nothing about a new device. insmodding usbnet doesnt help either. tried the same with a htc universal, usbnet works fine on my machine.
[edit]works for now, if connected via external-powered usb-hub. maybe a driver problem? activesync in windows-mobile is possible without using the hub.[/edit]
And if you check the website you can see all teh file you need to download if anyone know a programm for make call/sms/mms or ONLY calls and run on this linux please give information about
ok i try this one in a few and i edit my post when i have test all
ok today the : 28.12.2006
mmmm i have some trouble with extracting the gpe archive it's seem to be corrupted soooo bad.
BUT the first problem it's this famous default.txt the script to run haret if anyone have a working script please copy information here of the .txt file that's can be helpfull.
the error of my default.txt is: Failed to load kernel \carte de stockage\zimage
must i need to rename the zimage file???
and i have a question ... it's possible to make a "bootable" SD? if yes i can try to run another handled linux perhaps???
OK i have found i must rename the magician-zimage-2.6.XXXX to : "zimage"
so i have downlaod latest version of haret and take the default.txt WITHOUT changing
harte start but of course i haven't the gpe file so it's say error BUT it's launch now i must really found a good archive i have try under linux but the archive still in read only i can't change it to read AND write so all i uncompress are still not working under linux it's better on windows don't know why .....
(mmm risk to brick my magician if i try another gpe file .......)
and of course: sorry for my bad english
now i edit the post when i have MORE important news
Hello people,
I am trying to understand which linux edition can work on the magician.
as seen on http://linuxtogo.org/ , there are 3 versions:
Xanadux - http://linuxtogo.org/~ph5/magician/
GPE2 - http://gpephone.linuxtogo.org/
angstrom - http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/
also, as i understand , the xanadux version is NOT fully finished.
has anyone tried them yet?
Roy
Yes, I tried http://linuxtogo.org/~ph5/magician/ and it was nice!!
But some work still to do, like the bootloader part (for autoboot), suspend/resume and GSM.
GSM may have been fixed if it has been updated since (based on Linux PXA Mailing list)
You still need haret to boot on it, but a custom bootloader is possible, as it was done on ipaqs.
Works still to have be done before a full "usable" distribution, but it's on the way! I hope to help some weeks later (when my toolchain will be fully ready)...
PS: I had problems copying the filesystem to SDCARD because of USB2. Using USB1 it was working slow enough to copy all files to SDCard... Maybe it was a computer-only problem, but if you have same problem, try copying SLOWLY
I was looking ages for linux on my magician , but are there any tutorials for using those above linux roms ? I dont want to brick my magician , i dont have any other backup phone to use currently
It will just hard-reset your device after use.
You will load the Linux OS from the SDCard. Your device won't be damaged. It's safe!
What do I download ?
Hi,
I m on this forum after a long time. Sounds pretty good. Even I was hunting for linux for my Magician from ages. I checked out linuxtogo.org but didnt find which version to download and also the procedure. And also about booting from the SD card. Please halp me out...
question! can I install linux on my magician under windows XP? or I need a linux distro?
and second of all, how do I make to paritations on the sd card, I have read it, but I guess it was explained using a linux distro!
Read the installation instructions for the Universal
im new to this world and wanted to if it was better runnin linux or windows mobile?? can you run wm apps on da linux system and would it run properly?
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and second of all, how do I make to partations on the sd card, I have read it, but I guess it was explained using a linux distro!
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http://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcmagician/
It can now be done without a linux pc
i've tried it today. It a bit slow (on my pda) but it 's ok.
Give it try but do not forget to backup your data!
Hi
First time post, please be gentle.
I am trying to flash a new rom onto my tytn II but I do not have windows or activesync on my PC.
I have tried searching but have not found the answer I need
Can I flash Hard Spl with linux only
Please help
Thanks in advance
You're probably best installing VM Ware onto Linux and then getting a copy of Windows to run through VM Ware. I think the USB should still work through this.
Not been tested but this is the best I can offer.
thanks for your reply
I have tried this and still no joy, someone must have linux installed and upgraded there rom on thr tytnII, I really dont want to have to install windows just for activesync
mac_d4di said:
thanks for your reply
I have tried this and still no joy, someone must have linux installed and upgraded there rom on thr tytnII, I really dont want to have to install windows just for activesync
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There is a SD method, but don't know if can work to put HardSPL, because HardSPL needs to execute SSPL into the PDA before flashing the new SPL.
I have tested WinXP box inside Windows Vista to flash using VMWare, and works fine, so XP box inside Linux must work too...
Cheers.
Thanks for your super quick reply
Is there a way to run the rom upgrade without Hardspl installed at all.
or perhaps run the Hardspl from sd card and then upgrade it that way.
Sorry to ask so many questions
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I am trying to flash a new rom onto my tytn II
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I don't know what is hardspl, but have you checked hermflasher ?
Maybe it will work with some minor changes:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296436
mac_d4di said:
Thanks for your super quick reply
Is there a way to run the rom upgrade without Hardspl installed at all.
or perhaps run the Hardspl from sd card and then upgrade it that way.
Sorry to ask so many questions
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Yes, you can use the SD method with the ROM matching your CID (inside your SPL). This allows you to put a ROM from the manufacturer/oem of your Kaiser.
You sould not install any ROM before having HardSPL...
Search the SD method on the Wiki. With the Sd method you only copy the NBH file into SD and go to bootloader...
Cheers.
Thanks for your comments, very helpfull indeed I will look into both of the methods described and report back on my progress
I've used VMWare without a problem. Make sure you set up your fstab file to allow quickswapping USB in VMWare or else you have to constantly suspend and start windows just to get it to recognize the USB after it disconnects.
Hi
Does anyone have a copy of SSPL-KAIS.exe that they got attach or PM me. thanks.
After digging a little deeper this may work although it has been removed from the main site
**found it dont worry
Has anyone ever tried to flash a rom or develop a rom that can be flashed by a Mac? I have Missing sync to sync my Tilt and to download .cabs and .exe's.
Works great by the way. I have flashed several roms from Windows XP on the " other side " of my Intel chip, so no problem there. Just wondering can it be done from the Mac side? And has anyone done it?
I have been using Macs and Apples for over 25 years ( started with Apple IIc) and never once had the urge to switch so comments from the "Apple Bashers" will mean nothing to me
Just curious.
no i'm not going bash apple but i haven't come across anything for mac and i believe the kaisercustomruu.exe can only be run only on windows
I have successfully flashed my Tilt using a Parallels install of XP Pro. Of course that requires an Intel Mac to accomplish...
NotATreoFan said:
I have successfully flashed my Tilt using a Parallels install of XP Pro. Of course that requires an Intel Mac to accomplish...
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I have flashed several roms using both Parallels and Bootcamp on the other side of my Intel/Mac chip and .exe file will not run on OS X but is it possible to create a rom using say a .dmg package instead of an .exe package?
The problem is far beyond the fact that the package is in exe the tools to actually flash the rom are windows only
I'd just flash from the MicroSD card.
Read here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336158
AstainHellbring said:
The problem is far beyond the fact that the package is in exe the tools to actually flash the rom are windows only
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Obviously you can't just re-package under a different file extension. What " tools " are you refering to? Kitchen tools? Again just re-packaging. Leopard can run on an intel chip. Word, Excel, etc, can run natively on a Mac. Can you put together a rom or write one from scratch that can be downloaded natively to a Mac and then flashed to a Kaiser? Even theoretically?
You can use whatever OS you want... Just do what Peterfnet suggested... Use the SD card method... It's safer and easier.
Just follow the link provided by Peterfnet!
Rayan said:
You can use whatever OS you want... Just do what Peterfnet suggested... Use the SD card method... It's safer and easier.
Just follow the link provided by Peterfnet!
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It wasn't a "how do I flash a rom question " , I press a button and my screen twirls from OS X Leopard to Windows XP , I flash a new rom, press another button and my screen twirls back to Leopard and all my Mac apps. ( new Intel Chip for Mac)
The question was " what do the knowledgeable people here think? " Are there limitations of computer science that would prevent this or just limitations of available ground work that I could create?
Edit: I re-read this post and it sound kind of terse, I didn't meanit that way.
Thanks for your input Rayan
I see no reason why it would not be possible to flash a ROM natively inside Mac OS. But in order to do so, the flashing application written by HTC would need to be recoded to run on Mac.
If you extract the .exe file that is inside the rar file posted by the chefs here, you will see 5-10 files, one of which is the OS.nbh file. If you can write a program for Mac OS that can communicate with the Kaiser and call that file, then it would be possible. (DISCLAIMER: I am NOT a programmer, so it is a definite possibility that I could be talking out of my ass.)
Since flashing is not yet available to Linux users, then Mac is probably still a bit off.
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I'd just flash from the MicroSD card.
Read here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336158
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best option all around
Well, ever since I discovered the SD Card method I don't flash it through the PC anymore... No more fears of freezing up, power failures and such!
In fact, I carry several "test" ROMS in my card just to install them on the go whenever I'm bored! LOL...
Here's an answer from someone who is paid to write software....
You're correct there is no technical reason that you can't flash your phone from a Mac OS.
Basically the whole process is a few commands & responses sent across the USB port and then the nbh image streamed via the port to the waiting device.
Here's the bind: Microsoft is well known for not working well with others. Why would they be motivated to provide non-MS OS the ability to flash "Windows Mobile"? It's kind of like iTunes being able to integrate with non-iPod MP3 players as well as it works with iPods (or so I've heard).
Thanks all , it looks like I have my next project. Thanks for all your input. peterfnet and Rayan thanks when HTC comes out with their new rom update and new driver package at the end of the month I'm going the card method for a change.