Hello,
I am a Newbie in both o2 xda II and pocket pc ...
I just would like some links on technicals documentation
on those devices:
How it work ?
Is there a boot process ?
what is a hard reset ?
what is the rom, is there some windows inside ?
I don't search for documentation on how to use my pocket pc,
I really search how it work:
I would like to install linux on this device for exemple, but I am would like to know if I can go back on the windows system after.
I am not afraid to lose my configuration or my personal data on this device. But they don't give me a re-install software for windows, so if I install linux, how I can swich back ?
As I said, I am a Newbie on those device, and so, I see the device as a computer and I know this is wrong,
Can you help me or give me some links ?
Thank you in advance for help
Guillaume
"How it work ? "
now there is a question left pretty open
it would be like saying how does a pc works
"Is there a boot process ? "
well first time you start it yes and if you do a reset
"what is a hard reset ? "
it's clearing the memory == everything in ram not rom
"what is the rom, is there some windows inside ?"
rom is read only memory, when you get the device there is a version of windows in the rom
" would like to install linux on this device for exemple, but I am would like to know if I can go back on the windows system after."
there is a linux which will install on the xda but i doubt that it's fully functional and pretty much for developers who like to mess around
not even sure if it got a working phone part
"I am not afraid to lose my configuration or my personal data on this device. But they don't give me a re-install software for windows, so if I install linux, how I can swich back ?"
i would asume that you could reflash your device so it would be windows once more unless something broke or got soo corrupted then you had to JTAG it back to health
if you dont feel you know much about these devices i would advice you leave it as it is or get somebody else to help you or learn a lot first
because otherwise you could end up with a dead device[/quote]
here is some reading
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/HimalayaHardware
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Hi there,
In one of the topics here, I found a program to rotate the screen of my Qtek 8300. This required the use of another video driver.
When installing the driver, I chose to install in to my storage card. This turned out not to be a very wise choice. When I ran the program, and switched to the other driver, my phone rebooted.
However, now it does not boot anymore. It hangs while displaying the blue Qtek startup screen. It probably can't find the new driver. My thoughts on how to fix this (excluding a hard reset) are either:
-starting up with some sort of "safe mode". Does WM5 support this, and if so, how can I enter this mode?
-moving the driver from my storage card to the internal memory of the phone via the bootloader console. Is this possible?
Can anyone please tell me whether either of these options has a chance of working? I would appreciate it a lot .
you dint follow the instructions on how to install the rotation app i bet you dint install the certificates the developer clearly states that if you don't install the specified certificates it will make you hard reset thus,you will have to reinstall the rom on your phone. its your only option mate sry
I read the topic but there was no mention of certificates. Of course my phone is unlocked to accept strange apps, but that's probably not what you mean.
go to the rotation tool post and search for the guide i made it has the links for them
Are you sure? Will have another look then.
This was a nice opportunity to upgrade to WM6 . Too bad though I lost my contacts etc.
Ok I know this isn't the right forum for this but I know how good the developers in this forum are. What's happened basically is I installed Android on my pc on the same partition as windows xp. But it doesn't work properly and now when I boot it loads grub but windows Isn't listed as an os. So how do I boot into windows and remove android and grub. I've looked everywhere and I can't find how to do it. Plz if anyone can help I will be very grateful.
Thanks
Dion.
I'm not an Android expert but I can't imagine, that it's really possible to install Android on the same partition as XP ?!
Edit: OK, maybe it's possible, but it's not a good idea at all..
However...
-Boot with your XP CD
-Press R
-Enter "fixmbr"
That should help you..
It won't be easy removing grub. What you can do is have grub show Windows. Grub will load the Windows bootloader, which in turn will load Windows.
You can also set it to automatically boot the Windows bootloader, so you can delete the Android partition (don't delete grub!).
I don't think there are any Android specific guides available for this, but if you can get into a shell (which I doubt you can't), follow this: h t t p://supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Howto_Boot_Grub_from_windows
Also, I think running fixmbr or something similar from a Windows recovery console (using a DVD) would work (h t t p://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392).
Hope this helps.
Thanks I will try the supergrub link as its a netbook I haven't got a cd drive so ill let you know how I get on. Thanks for replying.
P. S.
Luvin swiftkeys.
Ok thanks I fixed it. I used the grub console to boot into windows then I used something called testdisk in windows to restore the windows boot partition. Thanks
hey,
well obviously I'm a newbie here and i needed to know if anyone can help me find a download link for windows mobile?it crashed on my Siemens pocketloox and i lost my cd so i've been looking everywhere for a downloadable version but i can't find one.
thanks in advance.
Dude a pda is not like a pc where you can freely install any OS you wish... The official Windows Mobile versions must be provided by your manufacturer (there isn't a Universal version per say... if you try to flash the version of another device you'll kill your phone). You may try to check Fujitsu-Siemens homepage for an official ROM update or contact them if needed
Over the net you may find ROMs for pda but bare in mind these are device specific and your device usually needs to be hacked in order to install unofficial versions (your device seems to be quite old... I don't believe you'll find any rom here since xda is almost HTC land).
Also what do you mean by crashed? Did you brick it (OS won't start... all you get is a black screen)? Have you tried removing/reinserting the battery and restarting?
the start menu suddenly has no icons,and neither the camera shortcut button nor the notes one are working.basically,it just opens and almost everything is disabled.
The easy solution is...
Just hardreset the device (seach here) and it will reset your device to factory defaults (it's like a format+reinstall)... Problem solved.
Just make sure you backup your data (photos, contacts, messages...) before because everything will be erased
thanks a lot man it worked.
Hello it's been a while that I have installed Windows phone 7 on my HD2.. (the first release from DFT I think)
But, atm I can't use at work to connect to the wifi because my MAC Adress always change...
So I wanted to put back Android but without uninstall anything.
I don't want to loose my data/config/activation from my wp7, I just want to install android in dual boot.
Anyone have successfully installed Android after WP7 but without reinstalling both?
Sorry for my english...
I have post in this thread because isn't only about HD2.
I think that you will find that the vast majority of users in this forum have WP7 handsets and so will not be able to assist you.
Logic dictates that you will have more luck in the HD2/Leo forums as the members there actually own the handset in question.
Kind Regards,
Creamy
yes, thanks for the answer, but I don't want to post twice (maybe an admin will move this?) and it can be for any wp7 device.
If anyone want to install an android system he has to reset their phone, format the partition and then loose all data/installed programs from windows phone...
Isn't specific to HD2, so I hope anyone has got the same problem as I have
ganon4 said:
yes, thanks for the answer, but I don't want to post twice (maybe an admin will move this?) and it can be for any wp7 device.
If anyone want to install an android system he has to reset their phone, format the partition and then loose all data/installed programs from windows phone...
Isn't specific to HD2, so I hope anyone has got the same problem as I have
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Actually, this is a question ONLY for the HD2. Android cannot be installed on a WP7 handset (yet). So you are much better off posting in the HD2 forums.
Yeah, the hd2 is, generally, one of the most beastly phones to ever exist. You can even run older versions of windows, and newer versions of nonmobile Linux distros on it!!
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http://www.jayceooi.com/2011/02/10/...hone-7-and-android-on-htc-hd2-with-1-sd-card/
Hope this helps, it did for me, also all the tool links are there too, I have mine running and even have TS3 full version, working on my Android side.
I do have a feeling though, that you will need to reset your win 7 side, as you will need to create and format your sd card for it to work, unless you are able to do this without the phone, then you could create the partition, but then you still need both partitions, as your win phone 7 side, will need storage space.
You will have to follow the guide to the letter, I did mine a few days ago and all is sweet, my android side is different to whats in the guide, but at least it is listed what i am running in my siggy.Best of luck and message if you need help.
More help to you, I hope.
If anyone want to install an android system he has to reset their phone, format the partition and then loose all data/installed programs from windows phone...
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Just a note, I actually cloned my storage on the sd card for the hd2, before I went about reinstalling, I was able to create the sd partitions for wp7 and android, then I copied the windows one back over, that way I saved all my downloaded apps.
If you are not sure about this, then you will have to bite the bullet and just wipe and reinstall, just take a note of things before you do.
You will be able to reactivate the phone by calling microboffs,via chat help, thats what I did, they gave me a key, straight away for free.....
ups didn't know we can't install from another wp device... so if an admin can move the topic...
hm, I'll try promethieus...
I'll try to backup the sd data then we will see... but didn't think it will works
Hi guys !
I wanted to know whether the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 can run Windows 8./LINUX !!
Theoretically it shouldn't be too hard as it has an Intel Atom x86 processor and it shares a lot of it's specs with the Acer Iconia w510 and other tablets running Windows 8
Can you please tell me some of the issues that we may have to deal with ?
Like we will have to do something with the bootloader to make Windows 8 bootable and things like that :/
And please if you want to say something like -Why do you want to run windows on an Android tablet-
XDA is about modding. A new OS will not hurt anyone AFAIK.
What are your ideas ? I think it can be done but what will we need to do ?
Now we will be concentrating on Linux. it Will be easier.
Please use this thread for discussing Linux on the Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1
Thanks for reading !
Nitro_123 said:
Hi guys !
I wanted to know whether the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 can run Windows 8.
Theoretically it shouldn't be too hard as it has an Intel Atom x86 processor and it shares a lot of it's specs with the Acer Iconia w510 and other tablets running Windows 8
Can you please tell me some of the issues that we may have to deal with ?
Like we will have to do something with the bootloader to make Windows 8 bootable and things like that :/
And please if you want to say something like -Why do you want to run windows on an Android tablet-
XDA is about modding. A new OS will not hurt anyone AFAIK.
What are your ideas ? I think it can be done but what will we need to do ?
Thanks for reading !
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much like apple windows 8 is closed source. Thats pretty much the end of the thread. Without a way to compile, edit the operating system and know what changes your making its just not a undertaking many will accept.
@trevd Do you have anything to say about this ?
@wranglerray I'm just talking about installing windows to a device. AFAIK no compiling/editing will be needed. There are other tablets out there that do the same thing so why not this one ? The only major hurdle I see is making some kind of a custom bootloader that can boot the windows stuff instead of the android stuff. THAT part will probably need to be made from scratch or it may be ported from a similar device.
There are quite a few devices like this that run windows with similar specs so why not this one ?
Nitro_123 said:
@trevd Do you have anything to say about this ?
@wranglerray I'm just talking about installing windows to a device. AFAIK no compiling/editing will be needed. There are other tablets out there that do the same thing so why not this one ? The only major hurdle I see is making some kind of a custom bootloader that can boot the windows stuff instead of the android stuff. THAT part will probably need to be made from scratch or it may be ported from a similar device.
There are quite a few devices like this that run windows with similar specs so why not this one ?
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well quite honestly your talking about porting windows to a device. Our device comes with android and you want to port windows to it instead. So on our device there are parititons chuncks of data of varying sizes allocated to hold a small part of the code that runs our phone. from ramdisk to the radio. The issue on its surface, we dont know how that partition table lines up with a different device.(which the partition table can and most likely is, completely different) and because winodws 8 is closed source we dont know how it boots, or how to edit the imstaller to ensure the os gets copied over the correct partitions. if porting were as easying as just flashing what ever you want and then changing some things to tweak it i'm sure you'd see hundreds of ports in a day or two. Unforntatley it really kinda sucks
The partitions are the biggest problem. We could in theory also boot from the SD card and as a result bypass all the android stuff and get it dual-booting but first we need to know how we can boot windows
Nitro_123 said:
@trevd Do you have anything to say about this ?
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Hi There
I've not got a device in my hands yet to be able to give a proper device focused opinion on this.
but since you ask, I will say It really all depends on the bootloader setup on the device and how accessible that is, it could well be a proprietary Samsung Design in which case I wouldn't want to "mess" with it unless you had a JTag handy for when s**t goes wrong, otherwise you'll be holding a very expensive brick.
Even without bootloader access theoretically you could create a 3rd stage bootloader ( possibly Grub2/uboot ) which sits in place of the kernel in the boot image ( or recovery image ) , this would give the Option to load android or chainload into the windows boot manager, this is how things are done on classic x86.
If you have to go with a 3rd Stage Loader then the first steps is to get your own code running instead of the Standard Kernel Initialization inside an android boot image, There's all sorts of fun to be had after that as basically you'd need to place things in memory where the Kernel or the Boot Manager is expecting to find them amongst many other things.
Standard Windows 7/8 Installations setup a "hidden ( not assigned a drive letter in windows) " 100MB NTFS partition which contains the bootmgr.exe ( TRIVIA : boot manager replaced NT LOADER ( NTLDR ) which was used by Windows XP ). The boot configuration datafile ( BCD ) contains the settings for loading the actual operating system.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the closed source nature of Windows as there's still plenty of folks doing some absolutely bonkers **** with Windows/Windows Booting. Check out http://reboot.pro if you want to see some of that. My favourite is the 10MB WindowsXP that boots cmd.exe and nothing else LOL WAT!?! . I'm not saying you'll find the answers there but I'd consider it the "state of the art" when booting windows in unusual ways.
Without getting too far ahead, if you did get it booting then it appears the Asus Memo Pad FHD 10 which is a windows 8 device has the same SOC so I would expect there to be driver support already present ( or available ).
Additionally I've not even considered UEFI and how that would affect the whole scenario as I've not delved into the UEFI chaos yet.
Personally I've not used Windows in anger for a couple of years and I've only booted Windows 8 in VM's just to have a look, so my "WindowsFu" is getting a little rusty.
In Summary : Technically Possible ( anything is possible ) - All depends on the bootloader and how much you want it! and to paraphrase @wranglerray "If it was easy, everyone would be doing it"
Trevd
@trevd @wranglerray Thanks so much for the input
This shouldn't really be too hard to do for an experienced dev IMO but I don't have mcuh experience with all this stuff
The stuff that has been done to the HD2 was a lot harder I think but Cotulla still managed to make a custom bootloader and boot WP7 things like that
Thanks again for the comments
@wranglerray @trevd
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540480
Please read the above link
basically we can now understand what the partitions are and what they do
Is it really that hard to make some kind of a zip file that can be flashed in recovery to boot the windows 8 bootloader ?
Why can't we just install an image of windows 8 to the SD card and boot off it ?
What do I need to know in order to understand and try to make this work ? Since no one is developing for the tab 3 10.1 I thought I'd give it a try
Nitro_123 said:
@wranglerray @trevd
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540480
Please read the above link
basically we can now understand what the partitions are and what they do
Is it really that hard to make some kind of a zip file that can be flashed in recovery to boot the windows 8 bootloader ?
Why can't we just install an image of windows 8 to the SD card and boot off it ?
What do I need to know in order to understand and try to make this work ? Since no one is developing for the tab 3 10.1 I thought I'd give it a try
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As a newbee I will guess:
Windows can take a bigger effort.
Runing Linux natively, easier. Android drivers should be already Linux Compatible. Tweeking them under Linux I do not know. My best guess is looking how to make grub to run first for dual booting. Or even better, Create a partition on external SD forl Linux, To be safe on TWRP recovery add a bottom to boot Linux or even esier re-use one temporary to test posibility.
Good Luck.
dale_para_bajo said:
As a newbee I will guess:
Windows can take a bigger effort.
Runing Linux natively, easier. Android drivers should be already Linux Compatible. Tweeking them under Linux I do not know. My best guess is looking how to make grub to run first for dual booting. Or even better, Create a partition on external SD forl Linux, To be safe on TWRP recovery add a bottom to boot Linux or even esier re-use one temporary to test posibility.
Good Luck.
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@dale_para_bajo EXACTLY my friend. You stole the words right out of my mouth
Objective: Get Linux booting. SD card way is better.
Any updates on this?
SharpnShiny said:
Any updates on this?
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It will never happen, the firmware isn't compatible.
calden74 said:
It will never happen, the firmware isn't compatible.
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Yeah I've looked a bit more into it since, I think the best chance was Windows RT, and that isn't downloadable I believe, so that's it. Thanks for the reply though.
SharpnShiny said:
Yeah I've looked a bit more into it since, I think the best chance was Windows RT, and that isn't downloadable I believe, so that's it. Thanks for the reply though.
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Even if Windows RT aka an ARM optimized ISO, was downloadable, it COULD NOT be used on Tab 3 10.1
Because this Tab doesn't have an ARM CPU, it have a x86 (32Bits) CPU. So better get a x86 ISO. I also got the same idea (like many other Tab 3 10.1 users). But the dream is NOT going anywhere. Also, Android apps are honestly BAD OPTIMIZED for this CPU ! That's why the Tab lags.
I sold mine and have bought a Tab 7.7 w/ SuperAmoled HD Screen but I broke its screen and can't now find any replacement in my region
Our best chance would be:
Ability of instally Windows 8 into a single .IMG file like Windows XP has been installed !
However, QEMU and KVM refuses to install Windows 8 into a VM idk why !
The RAM of the Tab is also a bit low to run Windows 8 inside Android.
If only a Great Dev could port or create "The Multi-boot bootloader" for Tab 3 10.1 as done on Nexus 7, then I won't waste my money buying a Windows 8 Tablet again since I would manage to install Windows 8 natively, whatever happened !
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Can this work?
trevd said:
Hi There
I've not got a device in my hands yet to be able to give a proper device focused opinion on this.
but since you ask, I will say It really all depends on the bootloader setup on the device and how accessible that is, it could well be a proprietary Samsung Design in which case I wouldn't want to "mess" with it unless you had a JTag handy for when s**t goes wrong, otherwise you'll be holding a very expensive brick.
Even without bootloader access theoretically you could create a 3rd stage bootloader ( possibly Grub2/uboot ) which sits in place of the kernel in the boot image ( or recovery image ) , this would give the Option to load android or chainload into the windows boot manager, this is how things are done on classic x86.
If you have to go with a 3rd Stage Loader then the first steps is to get your own code running instead of the Standard Kernel Initialization inside an android boot image, There's all sorts of fun to be had after that as basically you'd need to place things in memory where the Kernel or the Boot Manager is expecting to find them amongst many other things.
Standard Windows 7/8 Installations setup a "hidden ( not assigned a drive letter in windows) "* 100MB NTFS partition which contains the bootmgr.exe ( TRIVIA : boot manager replaced NT LOADER (* NTLDR ) which was used by Windows XP ). The boot configuration datafile ( BCD )* contains the settings for loading the actual operating system.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the closed source nature of Windows as there's still plenty of folks doing some absolutely bonkers **** with Windows/Windows Booting. Check out httpdouble slash)reboot(dot)pro if you want to see some of that. My favourite is the 10MB WindowsXP that boots cmd.exe and nothing else LOL WAT!?! . I'm not saying you'll find the answers there but I'd consider it the "state of the art" when booting windows in unusual ways.
Without getting too far ahead, if you did get it booting then it appears the Asus Memo Pad FHD 10 which is a windows 8 device has the same SOC so I would expect there to be driver support already present ( or available ).
Additionally I've not even considered UEFI and how that would affect the whole scenario as I've not delved into the UEFI chaos yet.
Personally I've not used Windows in anger for a couple of years and I've only booted Windows 8 in VM's just to have a look, so my "WindowsFu" is getting a little rusty.
In Summary : Technically Possible ( anything is possible ) - All depends on the bootloader and how much you want it! and to paraphrase** @wranglerray "If it was easy, everyone would be doing it"
Trevd
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I am new to the forum but not windows and android though not advanced but do you think that getting those files in the 100mb partition and making an ext2 image of them with slight modifications to fit in the architecture and flash the image as a recovery image?
or perhaps we could use rom manager and by creating a virtual rom composing of windows and boot them via the rom manager tool.
or perhaps we could use grub or a similar tool to boot into an image file or sdcard with windows installed on it and flash the grub files onto the recovery partition but some one with advanced info please confirm all these possibilities!
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Hit thanks if I helped, its not that tough
Go ahead guys !
This thread is becoming IRRELEVANT !
Tab 3 was made to run Android (and possibly Ubuntu since Android is a mobile version of Linux) but NOT Windows !
So just use Android or Nothing.
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yes but
Nonta72 said:
Go ahead guys !
This thread is becoming IRRELEVANT !
Tab 3 was made to run Android (and possibly Ubuntu since Android is a mobile version of Linux) but NOT Windows !
So just use Android or Nothing.
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Yes, but since both Windows and any x86 Linux are designed for the same architecture, shouldn't we be able to boot Windows?
glorified sd card
Dani515 said:
Yes, but since both Windows and any x86 Linux are designed for the same architecture, shouldn't we be able to boot Windows?
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i think it's possible
check this out starting at angel_666's post #18
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2589370&page=2
finding out where the flag checking starts and finishes would probably make the third stage boot
more realizeable. i directly flashed both grub and then plop to recovery block and got nowhere,
so it's mmcblk0boot0 or mmcblk0boot1, i haven't found anything in param===>/dev/block/mmcblk0p16 yet
and if p5210 has the little kernel burnt onto the chip setup, from my understanding of what i've
read it's a really basic/small/simple setup so even if the flag was there and unchangeable we should
still be able to get past it somewhere else, right?
Really ?
Dani515 said:
Yes, but since both Windows and any x86 Linux are designed for the same architecture, shouldn't we be able to boot Windows?
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I firstly got this idea and have posted here on XDA about it :good:
Look at this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2682603
However, mine was about running Windows 8 inside Android
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Done already?
Hello,
I have found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2070139
If you read further, you can find almost complete solution for archlinux natively on Note 10.1. WIth multiple fixes/scripts. Any reason why it cannot be done on tab3 10.1? I'm asking because I might try to compile proper kernel and prepare some distribution as tablet provides power that ends up completely wasted by android.