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Newbie with my o2 xda II, how it work ?

Hello,
I am a Newbie in both o2 xda II and pocket pc ...
I just would like some links on technicals documentation
on those devices:
How it work ?
Is there a boot process ?
what is a hard reset ?
what is the rom, is there some windows inside ?
I don't search for documentation on how to use my pocket pc,
I really search how it work:
I would like to install linux on this device for exemple, but I am would like to know if I can go back on the windows system after.
I am not afraid to lose my configuration or my personal data on this device. But they don't give me a re-install software for windows, so if I install linux, how I can swich back ?
As I said, I am a Newbie on those device, and so, I see the device as a computer and I know this is wrong,
Can you help me or give me some links ?
Thank you in advance for help
Guillaume

"How it work ? "
now there is a question left pretty open
it would be like saying how does a pc works
"Is there a boot process ? "
well first time you start it yes and if you do a reset
"what is a hard reset ? "
it's clearing the memory == everything in ram not rom
"what is the rom, is there some windows inside ?"
rom is read only memory, when you get the device there is a version of windows in the rom
" would like to install linux on this device for exemple, but I am would like to know if I can go back on the windows system after."
there is a linux which will install on the xda but i doubt that it's fully functional and pretty much for developers who like to mess around
not even sure if it got a working phone part
"I am not afraid to lose my configuration or my personal data on this device. But they don't give me a re-install software for windows, so if I install linux, how I can swich back ?"
i would asume that you could reflash your device so it would be windows once more unless something broke or got soo corrupted then you had to JTAG it back to health
if you dont feel you know much about these devices i would advice you leave it as it is or get somebody else to help you or learn a lot first
because otherwise you could end up with a dead device[/quote]
here is some reading
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/HimalayaHardware

help with my t-mobile pulse

just bought a t-mobile pulse today and was wondering if you you guys could help me with a couple of things.
i know that android can't run applications from the minisd card straight out the box. Could someone please list what needs to be done before the phone will do so. I know the phone will need rooting, does anyone know a simple rooting method for the pulse? and then what needs to be loaded to run applications from the sd card? Would anyone recommend doing these.
From what i've seen, this website seems a real community and this is one of the reasons i bought an android phone. Thank you for your time and help.

could someone help

No one is making root for pulse, no devs have one.

why is noone making a root for the pulse?

maybe this will help
http://www.linuxinstead.com/blog/?p=219
after you route your pule you can download app2sd from the market

thanks, i have windows 7 tho, how do i do it on windows 7

ropes27 said:
thanks, i have windows 7 tho, how do i do it on windows 7
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just do it the same way, if you need adb drivers ect use the vista ones, worked with my hero
you know how to manually update drivers using device manager init? just do it that way but use the relevent vista drivers

ty will give it a go! what is the best keyboard to install on android phones

[Q] a few questions about xdandroid

I didnt see an obvious section for xdandroid questions, so i hope its okay to post a couple here; forgive me and redirect me if not, please...
1. I'm running xdandroid frx07 on my htc touch pro off the sdcard. Is it possible to swap sdcards while running the xdandroid system? im guessing no.
2. If I cant hot swap the sd card, then (this may be silly to some but I'm tired) are there any android specific files that can NOT be read by Windows Mobile 6.1?
3. Is it possible to install xdandroid to the device itself so as to free up the sd card for normal data storage and transport between devices? For instance, I would like to install it to "\(lowest possible dir)\xdandroid\" instead of "\sdcard\" ("I know I probably won't be able to completely over-write the WM6x OS, so Windows will have its own folder tree branch and xdandroid will have its own as well. I already have Haret in the WM startup list so I never see WM except for when I boot without the sd card inserted (Haret just errors out because it cant find the files to boot linux).
4. I also would like to know if anyone knows where I can find and turn OFF everything that actually uses or relies on the Sprint/CDMA cellular network (I dont have a carrier, I use it strictly on wi-fi as a miniature internet terminal/remote control for PC & PS3). I would love it if someone could direct me toward a generic/non-carrier branded ROM to flash, that would do the trick!
5. Just kidding; I won't write another question yet, I think these are good enough for now. Thanks in advance for any and all serious responses

Hey there,
The touch pro is in the legacy device forums, here is the rom link fyi : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1171070.
You would be better off asking for help in that thread

[Q] Remove Windows on Netbook and Run Android

I know you can use different virtual applications that will allow a person to run Android on a Windows device. For example:
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-install-and-run-android-4.0-on-mac-windows-pc-or-linux-tutorial/
What I'm wondering is . . . is it possible to remove the Windows OS on a netbook and run Android 4.0 instead? If so, does someone have a link they can point me to?

*BUMP* Anyone?

Yes, it's possible. Just burn an ISO with Android-x86 (ICS RC1), delete all the partitions you have on your netbook and then create two - one ext3 for Android (4-8GB should be ok) and one fat32 for your data. Then boot Android installer and install on ext3 partition. And yes, it can boot as a normal system.
Teoretically it should work. Don't know if there are any more things to do.

Thanks for the info, so you're saying it's possible to dual boot, windows or Android, just as long as I have the partitions set up correctly? Has anyone else done this? If so, do you have a link to a tutorial or thread? I appreciate the help!

I might try to do this when my I disconnect service to my netbook. Is the android version that is installed rootable?
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disconnecktie said:
I might try to do this when my I disconnect service to my netbook. Is the android version that is installed rootable?
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For what I see, Android x86 comes with the SU command, so it's already rooted.

Hell yea. Since there isnt a boot loader there is no need for unlockig either.
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You probably want your data partition something other than FAT32, because it has problems with larger files...

Android-x86.org
There i got 4.0 fully ru.ning on pc
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mkm1126 said:
Thanks for the info, so you're saying it's possible to dual boot, windows or Android, just as long as I have the partitions set up correctly? Has anyone else done this? If so, do you have a link to a tutorial or thread? I appreciate the help!
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It is indeed possible, I have done it. If you have the partitions setup right the installation is pretty straight forward, it asks if you have Windows so it's dualboot capable, it will install GRUB and add the Android and Windows items to it for you.

Format your hard drive to ext, then install the Android-x86 project.

icechen1 said:
Format your hard drive to ext, then install the Android-x86 project.
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You really don't even have to do this, you can install it to a FAT32 partition (I think even an NTFS. But by doing so you can't have root.
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not sure the point of this , I **** canned WIN7 on my netbook and put Kubuntu on it and it flies now , Windows slowed it down, but Android I dont think would do anything for me, its like running Windows 8 on a desktop (which I am doing right now because I dont have an ARM available)

Vintage144 said:
not sure the point of this , I **** canned WIN7 on my netbook and put Kubuntu on it and it flies now , Windows slowed it down, but Android I dont think would do anything for me, its like running Windows 8 on a desktop (which I am doing right now because I dont have an ARM available)
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Windows 8 consumer preview is not that bad on a desktop but Android is indeed not that useful on a desktop at all. Although on a laptop of any kind, it's pretty nice as an instant on.
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Well if thats the case just download the app Bluestacks, then you can keep Windows and run all your android apps in a second! Personally speaking , on the netbook ,windows uses too many resources for it to be useful , Kubuntu only uses what you want and therefore is far superior (on this platform)

[IDEA]Possibility of running Windows 8 on Galaxy Tab 3 10.1

Hi guys !
I wanted to know whether the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 can run Windows 8./LINUX !!
Theoretically it shouldn't be too hard as it has an Intel Atom x86 processor and it shares a lot of it's specs with the Acer Iconia w510 and other tablets running Windows 8
Can you please tell me some of the issues that we may have to deal with ?
Like we will have to do something with the bootloader to make Windows 8 bootable and things like that :/
And please if you want to say something like -Why do you want to run windows on an Android tablet-
XDA is about modding. A new OS will not hurt anyone AFAIK.
What are your ideas ? I think it can be done but what will we need to do ?
Now we will be concentrating on Linux. it Will be easier.
Please use this thread for discussing Linux on the Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1
Thanks for reading !

Nitro_123 said:
Hi guys !
I wanted to know whether the new Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 10.1 can run Windows 8.
Theoretically it shouldn't be too hard as it has an Intel Atom x86 processor and it shares a lot of it's specs with the Acer Iconia w510 and other tablets running Windows 8
Can you please tell me some of the issues that we may have to deal with ?
Like we will have to do something with the bootloader to make Windows 8 bootable and things like that :/
And please if you want to say something like -Why do you want to run windows on an Android tablet-
XDA is about modding. A new OS will not hurt anyone AFAIK.
What are your ideas ? I think it can be done but what will we need to do ?
Thanks for reading !
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much like apple windows 8 is closed source. Thats pretty much the end of the thread. Without a way to compile, edit the operating system and know what changes your making its just not a undertaking many will accept.

@trevd Do you have anything to say about this ?
@wranglerray I'm just talking about installing windows to a device. AFAIK no compiling/editing will be needed. There are other tablets out there that do the same thing so why not this one ? The only major hurdle I see is making some kind of a custom bootloader that can boot the windows stuff instead of the android stuff. THAT part will probably need to be made from scratch or it may be ported from a similar device.
There are quite a few devices like this that run windows with similar specs so why not this one ?

Nitro_123 said:
@trevd Do you have anything to say about this ?
@wranglerray I'm just talking about installing windows to a device. AFAIK no compiling/editing will be needed. There are other tablets out there that do the same thing so why not this one ? The only major hurdle I see is making some kind of a custom bootloader that can boot the windows stuff instead of the android stuff. THAT part will probably need to be made from scratch or it may be ported from a similar device.
There are quite a few devices like this that run windows with similar specs so why not this one ?
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well quite honestly your talking about porting windows to a device. Our device comes with android and you want to port windows to it instead. So on our device there are parititons chuncks of data of varying sizes allocated to hold a small part of the code that runs our phone. from ramdisk to the radio. The issue on its surface, we dont know how that partition table lines up with a different device.(which the partition table can and most likely is, completely different) and because winodws 8 is closed source we dont know how it boots, or how to edit the imstaller to ensure the os gets copied over the correct partitions. if porting were as easying as just flashing what ever you want and then changing some things to tweak it i'm sure you'd see hundreds of ports in a day or two. Unforntatley it really kinda sucks

The partitions are the biggest problem. We could in theory also boot from the SD card and as a result bypass all the android stuff and get it dual-booting but first we need to know how we can boot windows

Nitro_123 said:
@trevd Do you have anything to say about this ?
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Hi There
I've not got a device in my hands yet to be able to give a proper device focused opinion on this.
but since you ask, I will say It really all depends on the bootloader setup on the device and how accessible that is, it could well be a proprietary Samsung Design in which case I wouldn't want to "mess" with it unless you had a JTag handy for when s**t goes wrong, otherwise you'll be holding a very expensive brick.
Even without bootloader access theoretically you could create a 3rd stage bootloader ( possibly Grub2/uboot ) which sits in place of the kernel in the boot image ( or recovery image ) , this would give the Option to load android or chainload into the windows boot manager, this is how things are done on classic x86.
If you have to go with a 3rd Stage Loader then the first steps is to get your own code running instead of the Standard Kernel Initialization inside an android boot image, There's all sorts of fun to be had after that as basically you'd need to place things in memory where the Kernel or the Boot Manager is expecting to find them amongst many other things.
Standard Windows 7/8 Installations setup a "hidden ( not assigned a drive letter in windows) " 100MB NTFS partition which contains the bootmgr.exe ( TRIVIA : boot manager replaced NT LOADER ( NTLDR ) which was used by Windows XP ). The boot configuration datafile ( BCD ) contains the settings for loading the actual operating system.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the closed source nature of Windows as there's still plenty of folks doing some absolutely bonkers **** with Windows/Windows Booting. Check out http://reboot.pro if you want to see some of that. My favourite is the 10MB WindowsXP that boots cmd.exe and nothing else LOL WAT!?! . I'm not saying you'll find the answers there but I'd consider it the "state of the art" when booting windows in unusual ways.
Without getting too far ahead, if you did get it booting then it appears the Asus Memo Pad FHD 10 which is a windows 8 device has the same SOC so I would expect there to be driver support already present ( or available ).
Additionally I've not even considered UEFI and how that would affect the whole scenario as I've not delved into the UEFI chaos yet.
Personally I've not used Windows in anger for a couple of years and I've only booted Windows 8 in VM's just to have a look, so my "WindowsFu" is getting a little rusty.
In Summary : Technically Possible ( anything is possible ) - All depends on the bootloader and how much you want it! and to paraphrase @wranglerray "If it was easy, everyone would be doing it"
Trevd

@trevd @wranglerray Thanks so much for the input
This shouldn't really be too hard to do for an experienced dev IMO but I don't have mcuh experience with all this stuff
The stuff that has been done to the HD2 was a lot harder I think but Cotulla still managed to make a custom bootloader and boot WP7 things like that
Thanks again for the comments

@wranglerray @trevd
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540480
Please read the above link
basically we can now understand what the partitions are and what they do
Is it really that hard to make some kind of a zip file that can be flashed in recovery to boot the windows 8 bootloader ?
Why can't we just install an image of windows 8 to the SD card and boot off it ?
What do I need to know in order to understand and try to make this work ? Since no one is developing for the tab 3 10.1 I thought I'd give it a try

Nitro_123 said:
@wranglerray @trevd
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2540480
Please read the above link
basically we can now understand what the partitions are and what they do
Is it really that hard to make some kind of a zip file that can be flashed in recovery to boot the windows 8 bootloader ?
Why can't we just install an image of windows 8 to the SD card and boot off it ?
What do I need to know in order to understand and try to make this work ? Since no one is developing for the tab 3 10.1 I thought I'd give it a try
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As a newbee I will guess:
Windows can take a bigger effort.
Runing Linux natively, easier. Android drivers should be already Linux Compatible. Tweeking them under Linux I do not know. My best guess is looking how to make grub to run first for dual booting. Or even better, Create a partition on external SD forl Linux, To be safe on TWRP recovery add a bottom to boot Linux or even esier re-use one temporary to test posibility.
Good Luck.

dale_para_bajo said:
As a newbee I will guess:
Windows can take a bigger effort.
Runing Linux natively, easier. Android drivers should be already Linux Compatible. Tweeking them under Linux I do not know. My best guess is looking how to make grub to run first for dual booting. Or even better, Create a partition on external SD forl Linux, To be safe on TWRP recovery add a bottom to boot Linux or even esier re-use one temporary to test posibility.
Good Luck.
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@dale_para_bajo EXACTLY my friend. You stole the words right out of my mouth
Objective: Get Linux booting. SD card way is better.

Any updates on this?

SharpnShiny said:
Any updates on this?
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It will never happen, the firmware isn't compatible.

calden74 said:
It will never happen, the firmware isn't compatible.
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Yeah I've looked a bit more into it since, I think the best chance was Windows RT, and that isn't downloadable I believe, so that's it. Thanks for the reply though.

SharpnShiny said:
Yeah I've looked a bit more into it since, I think the best chance was Windows RT, and that isn't downloadable I believe, so that's it. Thanks for the reply though.
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Even if Windows RT aka an ARM optimized ISO, was downloadable, it COULD NOT be used on Tab 3 10.1
Because this Tab doesn't have an ARM CPU, it have a x86 (32Bits) CPU. So better get a x86 ISO. I also got the same idea (like many other Tab 3 10.1 users). But the dream is NOT going anywhere. Also, Android apps are honestly BAD OPTIMIZED for this CPU ! That's why the Tab lags.
I sold mine and have bought a Tab 7.7 w/ SuperAmoled HD Screen but I broke its screen and can't now find any replacement in my region
Our best chance would be:
Ability of instally Windows 8 into a single .IMG file like Windows XP has been installed !
However, QEMU and KVM refuses to install Windows 8 into a VM idk why !
The RAM of the Tab is also a bit low to run Windows 8 inside Android.
If only a Great Dev could port or create "The Multi-boot bootloader" for Tab 3 10.1 as done on Nexus 7, then I won't waste my money buying a Windows 8 Tablet again since I would manage to install Windows 8 natively, whatever happened !
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Can this work?
trevd said:
Hi There
I've not got a device in my hands yet to be able to give a proper device focused opinion on this.
but since you ask, I will say It really all depends on the bootloader setup on the device and how accessible that is, it could well be a proprietary Samsung Design in which case I wouldn't want to "mess" with it unless you had a JTag handy for when s**t goes wrong, otherwise you'll be holding a very expensive brick.
Even without bootloader access theoretically you could create a 3rd stage bootloader ( possibly Grub2/uboot ) which sits in place of the kernel in the boot image ( or recovery image ) , this would give the Option to load android or chainload into the windows boot manager, this is how things are done on classic x86.
If you have to go with a 3rd Stage Loader then the first steps is to get your own code running instead of the Standard Kernel Initialization inside an android boot image, There's all sorts of fun to be had after that as basically you'd need to place things in memory where the Kernel or the Boot Manager is expecting to find them amongst many other things.
Standard Windows 7/8 Installations setup a "hidden ( not assigned a drive letter in windows) "* 100MB NTFS partition which contains the bootmgr.exe ( TRIVIA : boot manager replaced NT LOADER (* NTLDR ) which was used by Windows XP ). The boot configuration datafile ( BCD )* contains the settings for loading the actual operating system.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the closed source nature of Windows as there's still plenty of folks doing some absolutely bonkers **** with Windows/Windows Booting. Check out httpdouble slash)reboot(dot)pro if you want to see some of that. My favourite is the 10MB WindowsXP that boots cmd.exe and nothing else LOL WAT!?! . I'm not saying you'll find the answers there but I'd consider it the "state of the art" when booting windows in unusual ways.
Without getting too far ahead, if you did get it booting then it appears the Asus Memo Pad FHD 10 which is a windows 8 device has the same SOC so I would expect there to be driver support already present ( or available ).
Additionally I've not even considered UEFI and how that would affect the whole scenario as I've not delved into the UEFI chaos yet.
Personally I've not used Windows in anger for a couple of years and I've only booted Windows 8 in VM's just to have a look, so my "WindowsFu" is getting a little rusty.
In Summary : Technically Possible ( anything is possible ) - All depends on the bootloader and how much you want it! and to paraphrase** @wranglerray "If it was easy, everyone would be doing it"
Trevd
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I am new to the forum but not windows and android though not advanced but do you think that getting those files in the 100mb partition and making an ext2 image of them with slight modifications to fit in the architecture and flash the image as a recovery image?
or perhaps we could use rom manager and by creating a virtual rom composing of windows and boot them via the rom manager tool.
or perhaps we could use grub or a similar tool to boot into an image file or sdcard with windows installed on it and flash the grub files onto the recovery partition but some one with advanced info please confirm all these possibilities!
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Hit thanks if I helped, its not that tough

Go ahead guys !
This thread is becoming IRRELEVANT !
Tab 3 was made to run Android (and possibly Ubuntu since Android is a mobile version of Linux) but NOT Windows !
So just use Android or Nothing.
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yes but
Nonta72 said:
Go ahead guys !
This thread is becoming IRRELEVANT !
Tab 3 was made to run Android (and possibly Ubuntu since Android is a mobile version of Linux) but NOT Windows !
So just use Android or Nothing.
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Yes, but since both Windows and any x86 Linux are designed for the same architecture, shouldn't we be able to boot Windows?

glorified sd card
Dani515 said:
Yes, but since both Windows and any x86 Linux are designed for the same architecture, shouldn't we be able to boot Windows?
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i think it's possible
check this out starting at angel_666's post #18
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2589370&page=2
finding out where the flag checking starts and finishes would probably make the third stage boot
more realizeable. i directly flashed both grub and then plop to recovery block and got nowhere,
so it's mmcblk0boot0 or mmcblk0boot1, i haven't found anything in param===>/dev/block/mmcblk0p16 yet
and if p5210 has the little kernel burnt onto the chip setup, from my understanding of what i've
read it's a really basic/small/simple setup so even if the flag was there and unchangeable we should
still be able to get past it somewhere else, right?

Really ?
Dani515 said:
Yes, but since both Windows and any x86 Linux are designed for the same architecture, shouldn't we be able to boot Windows?
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I firstly got this idea and have posted here on XDA about it :good:
Look at this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2682603
However, mine was about running Windows 8 inside Android
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Done already?
Hello,
I have found this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2070139
If you read further, you can find almost complete solution for archlinux natively on Note 10.1. WIth multiple fixes/scripts. Any reason why it cannot be done on tab3 10.1? I'm asking because I might try to compile proper kernel and prepare some distribution as tablet provides power that ends up completely wasted by android.