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Have Wallaby, want to upgrade to new model; best option?

I have a 3 year old T-Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition (HTC Wallaby) and would like to upgrade it to a new model Pocket PC Phone. I'm a little confused about some of the new models being offered on eBay. T-Mobile USA is supposed to offer the MDA (HTC Wizard) soon.
The HTC Universal (Jas-Jar) seems too large and heavy, and many people seem to be very disapointed in both the phone and the processor.
The HTC Magician seems very popular; small and fairly fast. The HTC Wizard looks like an upgraded model, plus the keyboard. The HTC Prophet looks like a Wizard without the keyboard? Am I missing something?
I really love my old Wallaby, especially since I upgraded the internal battery to a 1750mAh model! I use the pocket pc functions more than the phone. The radio in the phone is pretty weak.
Are the new models worth the price?
Do the phone radios work better?
Should I just stay with what I have; until it dies?
Thanks for any input!

I'd go with the Wizard right now. It's small, it has WM5 and an excellent keyboard. The only downside that it has a relatively small processor (TI OMAP 850, runs at 196 mhz), which you might not notice with regular usage, I'm pretty sure morphgear for example won't run on it with a decent speed. Skype has problems too. But if you don't really play games and/or use skype, it is a wise choice. If you do, and you don't need WiFi/WM5/keyboard, you should go with the magician.

Nah, HTC Universal is wonderful. The only downside to it is the size. If you can find your way past the size its the best possible device.

RyanZA said:
Nah, HTC Universal is wonderful. The only downside to it is the size. If you can find your way past the size its the best possible device.
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Universal is waaaay too big.
Mychoices would be between Charmer, Prophet and Wizard.

I totally agree with TheBrit & I love small devices. The magician is a bad choice nowadays as it's been replaced. So I'd go for a wizard for the keyboard, second pick Charmer & Prophet
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Radio strength?
Do any of the new models have upgraded Radio Transmitters/Receivers? The phone reception on my Wallaby is pretty weak, I end up using my wife's cell phone if we are in an fringe area on reception.
T-Mobile is supposed to soon include 850 MHz Roaming here in the US, so I want a tri or quad band phone. If I get the Magician, I have to choose between 850 and 900 MHz. Since I travel a lot, I guess it'll have to be the Wizard or the Phophet, since they're quads.
Thank you for all the good advice!

Your Input Please...Choose a suspect from my lineup

Hi guys just wondering if I could get some of your thoughts on my situation. Want to buy a new phone to replace my Xda Exec. The problem with my exec is that it is a bit bulky. Want to get something within the next few months, and cost is not a factor. A few of my choices for the replacement are:
-Samsung SGH-i600
*big fan of the slim design plus all connectivity options
-HTC Artemis
*the mouse seems cool but probably wouln't use GPS
-Nokia N95
*seems it has everything
-HTC TyTN
*wouldnt have to wait to buy it but I wanted to go with something different that slide out which I already had with UTStarcomm 6700
If you could pick one of these which would you choose and why? Also any other suggestions would be well appreciated...

Well personally:
Not the Samsung SGH-i600 - because it is a Smartphone, no touch screen, limited apps.
Not the Nokia N95 - because it runs Symbian.
The choice between Artemis and TyTN is a tough one. If you are sure you won't miss the keyboard and you don't mind waiting I would definitely recommend the Artemis. It has way more stuff.

i'd say Trinity
because it have 3g

Not the Samsung - too basic, not the Nokia (could be a decent phone if it ran a decent operating system - forget multiple apps under Symbian).
Artemis - slower processor than the Tytn, but a nice phone. But if you don't need built in GPS I'd go for the Tytn.
Richard

As with others, the candidates are..
==HTC Artemis
- I like it as it does not have a keyboard
==HTC TyTN (my choice)
- I like the WiFi (if I have to choose that with a GPS - can always have a GPS mouse in my car, IF I have a car)

Thanks
Thanks for the suggestions guys, must be right. Should just stick with a WM pocket pc phone. Probably go with the Artemis since the processor is faster; i really dislike how slow my Exec got at times.
Cant find no release date, guess i have to play the waiting game now.

i600 for me if you must
I believe GPS/ppc cannot be a phone at the same time, at least for now.
Not for serious/business use at any case.
best solution VGA ppc+small fast phone.
vga because its stupid to give so much money for ugly qvga with monster pixels.
my opinion.

depends on what you want to do...if you want to use it as a Phone first pda second then go for nokia or samsung because htc's GSM radio implimentation is BAD
if its a pda first thing then go for a ppc...which one would depend on which suits you

Will HTC ever make a sleek smartphone?

I really think that WM Smartphone is the better of the two OS's due to its one-handed nature...but when will HTC wake up and stop making behemoths!!! Why is HTC730 sooo damned big!? I want a phone that is small like the HTC Touch but that runs WM Smartphone (or at least is completely one-handed).
Does anyone know of any other phone manufacturers that have actually done this and still manged to include WiFi?
FYI: I have a Qtek 8310 (HTC Tornado)

Shadow too big for you? You got little porcelain doll hands?

sonus said:
I really think that WM Smartphone is the better of the two OS's due to its one-handed nature...but when will HTC wake up and stop making behemoths!!! Why is HTC730 sooo damned big!? I want a phone that is small like the HTC Touch but that runs WM Smartphone (or at least is completely one-handed).
Does anyone know of any other phone manufacturers that have actually done this and still manged to include WiFi?
FYI: I have a Qtek 8310 (HTC Tornado)
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Got S730. Size is absoulutely perfect - not too small, not too big (my previous device was HTC TyTN). The mechanism of the keyboard seems to me stable after 2 mnths. What more could I ask?
Of course, if it would be integrated into watches with a holographic 50'' touchscreen, it'd be great

Haha, no porcelain hands here. I haven't seen the Shadow in person, but I'll look into it (does it have WiFi?).
You know the S730 is perfect, except for the fact that its bigger than new gen WM Prof phones. That just seems sooo counter intuitive to me.
To put it into perspective, here's a volume comparison with the smallest phone coming first:
Volume (mm^2) // Device
(1) 80539.38 // Touch
(2) 92983 // Touch Dual
(3) 98890 // Touch Cruise
(4) 104678.52 // S730
(5) 125552 // Tilt (TytnII)

sonus said:
Haha, no porcelain hands here. I haven't seen the Shadow in person, but I'll look into it (does it have WiFi?).
You know the S730 is perfect, except for the fact that its bigger than new gen WM Prof phones. That just seems sooo counter intuitive to me.
To put it into perspective, here's a volume comparison with the smallest phone coming first:
Volume (mm^2) // Device
(1) 80539.38 // Touch
(2) 92983 // Touch Dual
(3) 98890 // Touch Cruise
(4) 104678.52 // S730
(5) 125552 // Tilt (TytnII)
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Hey I don't know what do you want. I think this device is aimed for those who use it to work and to talk hardly. It absolutely suits this purpose. S730 is smaller than Nokia N70 which I consider to be a ideal sized (just sized!). From my point of view it is perfect, but of course it's just my opinion.

sonus said:
I really think that WM Smartphone is the better of the two OS's due to its one-handed nature...but when will HTC wake up and stop making behemoths!!! Why is HTC730 sooo damned big!? I want a phone that is small like the HTC Touch but that runs WM Smartphone (or at least is completely one-handed).
Does anyone know of any other phone manufacturers that have actually done this and still manged to include WiFi?
FYI: I have a Qtek 8310 (HTC Tornado)
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HTC Cavalier - The best smartphone there is (for the moment).
Cheers

You mentioned the Touch, isn't the Excalibur about the same dimensions as the Touch? The Excalibur (TMO Dash) does have Wifi.
Samsung also has the SGH-i600 which has Wifi.

I have a Shadow, LOVE IT. Inexpensive when comparing to the other phones like the S730 or such.
The only thing this phone is missing to make it the ultimate phone is a longer battery life(we are waiting for an extended life battery), led flash on the camera, 3g and GPS (although I heard GPS could be added via gps bluetooth receiver, not sure)

Another option would be the BENQ E72 which is the smallest WM Standard I believe.

E72 looks great, but it's also really, really expensive!

S740 Announced

S740 was announced today. Will update post with more info, I am on my Vox right now.

Here are more details from gsmarena, it looks nice:
HTC S740
Coming as a successor of the HTC S730 the S740 is a smartphone with a sliding-out four-row QWERTY keyboard. It boasts a 528 MHz Qualcomm MSM7225 processor and the greatly sounding 256MB RAM.
The display of the HTC S740 is a 2.4" QVGA one (no touchscreen, of course). All four GSM bands and two UMTS (900 and 2100 MHz) bands are supported by the new phone. There is also HSDPA support to make sure that the quickest network data transfers around are available.
Coming with a HTC Touch Diamond-like back, HTC S740 has a 3.2 megapixel fixed-focus snapper on board. Some of the other more important features are built-in GPS (with A-GPS support), Wi-Fi and the HTC ExtUSB slot which combines a mini-USB 2.0 and an audio jack.
The HTC S740 is going to be available across Europe from September, but there is no information regarding its pricing yet.

keyboard open on the other side

I just hope it'll ship with 6.1 with languages other than English, so we can use it!^^

nice one! thats the device i saw at work last week... but the prototype has no qwerty keyboard ... cant wait for it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=418902

Hopefully they set the price right, it is either this, a Touch Pro or a Nokia E71 to be my next device.

I really want to know how to handle the 'cursor-key' in the middle of the device. On the pictures it looks odd to me.

What i don't like about this device
larger overall
20 grams heavier than S710 which is already very heavy
no autofocus

looks interesting but...nothing new on the sun...
OT: I have afriend wich has an Omnia i900 and with my big surprise I noticed it has WM 6.1 localized in my language...so I think out there lot of devices has WinMo 6.1 localized in different devices...but why don't Microsoft release the localized emulator images???? Damn!

HTC - stupidity without limits. This is right slogan for this company
When they will understand that qwerty keyboard for smartphone is like fifth leg for dog?
People who buy smartphone, expect some slim, lite device with some extra functionality provided by WM. Otherwise it's better to buy PDAPhone with full WM power and many different input options.
sick...

The price on HandTec.co.uk is showing £469.99 (£399.99 ex vat)
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/1430/htc-s740

sorg said:
HTC - stupidity without limits. This is right slogan for this company
When they will understand that qwerty keyboard for smartphone is like fifth leg for dog?
People who buy smartphone, expect some slim, lite device with some extra functionality provided by WM. Otherwise it's better to buy PDAPhone with full WM power and many different input options.
sick...
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Qwerty keyboard is something that is a "must" when you use it once and write an sms/e-mail on your phone. I won't buy a phone without qwerty in the future.

sorg said:
HTC - stupidity without limits. This is right slogan for this company
When they will understand that qwerty keyboard for smartphone is like fifth leg for dog?
People who buy smartphone, expect some slim, lite device with some extra functionality provided by WM. Otherwise it's better to buy PDAPhone with full WM power and many different input options.
sick...
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You are clearly not on the right forum for this kind of comments. It's clear that everyone who is on this discussion forum likes qwerty on their smartphone... since we all bought the S710.

matrix77 said:
Qwerty keyboard is something that is a "must" when you use it once and write an sms/e-mail on your phone. I won't buy a phone without qwerty in the future.
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A B S O L U T E L Y !! I must agree with you

sorg said:
HTC - stupidity without limits. This is right slogan for this company
When they will understand that qwerty keyboard for smartphone is like fifth leg for dog?
People who buy smartphone, expect some slim, lite device with some extra functionality provided by WM. Otherwise it's better to buy PDAPhone with full WM power and many different input options.
sick...
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I think you should look for Nokia toys like smartphones with basic functions making, receiving calls and SMS. You would get such toy phones very slim, lite and offocourse extra functionality of few JAVA inbuilt games.
HTC S710 and next versions are beyond your limits because you are not even able to understand the concepts of these phones at all.

I think it's kind of pointless to put such a processor in this phone. There are rarely any apps for Standard that make use of such processing power! It'll only drain the battery. I think 400 MHz is perfect for a WM Standard phone. For the Touch Pro though it's a must have. And now there is only one reason that keeps me from buying a Touch Pro - it's price...
Anyway, htc put a page online: http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=57634
I think the messed up the standby times (under 3G more than GSM???)!

what if the processor is underclocked when no apps are running?

frauhottelmann said:
I think it's kind of pointless to put such a processor in this phone. There are rarely any apps for Standard that make use of such processing power! It'll only drain the battery. I think 400 MHz is perfect for a WM Standard phone. For the Touch Pro though it's a must have. And now there is only one reason that keeps me from buying a Touch Pro - it's price...
Anyway, htc put a page online: http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=57634
I think the messed up the standby times (under 3G more than GSM???)!
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its qualcomm processor and OMAP is better as compared to Qualcomm so might be 528 MHz would work little better compared to OMAP 200 MHz

beautiful phone but its gonna be one fingerprint magnet

I am disappointed.
The only think HTC has been able to do is add an GPS (very usefull by the way!).
But NO INNOVATION... and even heavier!!
why they dont do a big touch screen on the front coverything everything (iphone style) then you can slide it on the side for a qwerty keyboard to appear (very usefull!) or you can slide it on the bottom for a numeric pad (very usefull!) to appear for use without sometime painfull touchscreen with one hand.
Would this be something nice? other innovation will be more than welcome... Engineer at HTC what are you doing? sleeping??

Advice for New phone (Omnia Vs xperia Vs pro)

Currently SEP900i for more than 2 years now and would like to change to Winmobile again.
Previously used O2 blueangel first with WM2003SE and then with WM5.
Currently i would like to know which phone do you suggest based on above 3. Though i would miss the keyboard on omnia but the camera and some other software features looks interesting.
Also since i dont change my mobile for at least 2 years leaving in China where we dont have mobile plans in EU so i would like to know if any of the 3 can be installed with WM7 whenever it is launched. Sorry if this is a little stupid but wont harm if i know could be done in future.
TIA.

omnia got a bigger screen but lower res
"i would like to know if any of the 3 can be installed with WM7 whenever it is launched"
nobody can say for sure
acceleration Meter would prob mean more wm7 features supported though x1 dont have that not sure about Omnia

Omnia has an accelerometer
edit: in Asia there is an Omnia that has an 800x480 screen, if your looking at Omnia's then check this out. I think its called the Omnia-T (but not sure - google is your friend). Also, Samsung are very prolific with firmware upgrades and being very aggresive at supporting the phone in this manner. Much more active than HTC have ever been and VERY quick to fix issues with new firmware. check out i900.modaco.com for more info.

The Omnia feels quite cheap, and is only so popular because a lot of people know Samsung.
The HTC's are by far the best.
The Xperia has a smaller screen, and a small keyboard.
The Pro is ofcourse very nice, but quite large around the waist. ;-)
Xperia has higher resolution and nicer screen.
I was doubting for a while too, but I've tested them all, and yesterday decided to buy the HD.
Omnia already had quite some problems, and the resolution of the Touch Pro is not suited for the future.
The Hd's 800*400-screen is unbelieveable.

That's right, go for HTC Touch HD.
Regards,
Carty..

guanodude said:
The Omnia feels quite cheap, and is only so popular because a lot of people know Samsung.
The HTC's are by far the best.
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I was doubting for a while too, but I've tested them all, and yesterday decided to buy the HD.
Omnia already had quite some problems, and the resolution of the Touch Pro is not suited for the future.
The Hd's 800*400-screen is unbelieveable.
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Tested them all? I OWN a Touch Diamond (before that, TyTN and TyTN2 and BlueAngel) and EVERY HTC device I have ever had has had to be returned for physical failures at least once if not twice. Actually, thats a lie: the TD hasn't because I gave up with it after trying various diferent ROMs. This has now been refunded by the ebay seller as under UK law its "Not Fit For Purpose". (And the new euro constitution want's to get rid of our Sales of Goods Act - UK people, dont let them!!!)
The last phone I had between the tytn 2 and TD was a Tosh G900 and this was faultless - just like my I900 which is also FAULTLESS. The Omnia has some software issues to start with (Blank screen of death) but these were aggresivley fixed by Samsung, far quicker than HTC have ever done with any of there issues.
HTC devices are designed great but pi** poor manufacturing quality in my experience as can be seen from my history. I said once before that I would NEVER buy another HTC device and I didn't but then relented and purchased a TD .... only to be proved that I should never buy a HTC device.
btw, the first phone to have a 800*480 screen was the Tosh G900 .... been there, done that.... for well over a year. Well done HTC for catching up .... finaly
Before anyone shouts TomTom (at the Omnia) ... this has been proven by the guys on Modaco that this is a TomTom programing issue and not a Samsung problem. But then, this is also easily got around with GPSGate or similar.
I will point out though that if games are your choice, the Omnia is not the best choice as games often have hard coded screen resolutions and these won't work - again, maybe look for the 800x480 Omnia which is about to launch in Asia.
And finaly, Hands up all those that have 32gig in there phone......
/me puts hand up