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Looks ****ing hot!
It's a Diamond with a kyboard!
Props to Engadget for doing the search work.
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1

Yeah, looks good, qwerty keyboard is needed

please say it have tilt

ya. using 13" monitor at home is so cool! haha
WTF i want a 2.8" 640x480 when i can get sony X1 with 3" 800x480 WVGA!

Well...
My current awareness is that there is no tilt on this device, it just slides out (i can be wrong, as looking at some more pics there may be a mechanism under there...)
I am a big fan of the X1 with the 3" screen but think about it, the X1 is WVGA, most programs that people make within this site are QVGA and VGA compatible... does not go so well on a WVGA screen, however i don't doubt that will be a few WVGA apps - but not alot. Its all about compatibility.
I mainly want a conformation from somewhere/anyone that this device supports a microSDHC card (i.e. it has a memory card slot), i have read that it may, but no actual conformation... If it does, hello HTC. The NO microSDHC slot on the diamond put me off, i hope this one has one...
I also hope that the X1's panels can be replicated for other devices, but we will have to wait and see for that one...

R U Serious?
"Don't expect a stateside release -- at least in this incarnation -- given the tri-band action, so we'll continue to hold out for the Sprint version."
WTF

Sweet! That looks nice! Im glad I held off getting a vario 3!

Mak89 said:
I am a big fan of the X1 with the 3" screen but think about it, the X1 is WVGA, most programs that people make within this site are QVGA and VGA compatible... does not go so well on a WVGA screen, however i don't doubt that will be a few WVGA apps - but not alot. Its all about compatibility.
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i have a 22" monitor at home with resolution 1680x1050! i have no problems running any programs with less resolution! haha

nemets said:
"Don't expect a stateside release -- at least in this incarnation -- given the tri-band action, so we'll continue to hold out for the Sprint version."
WTF
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Yeah, it may be because the Apple is pushing it's 3G iphone and doesn't want to have any real competition...

joedoe said:
Yeah, it may be because the Apple is pushing it's 3G iphone and doesn't want to have any real competition...
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I have a feeling its a quadband phone but the radio rom isnt quite ready for prime time (it doesnt have to be yet, the phone isnt launching in the USA yet)
As for the iPhone theory, dude, if I took a silver sharpie and wrote "3G!" on the side of a regular red brick, it would compete at the same level as the 3g iPhone. Its got 3g written on it and it holds down paper.

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I have a feeling its a quadband phone but the radio rom isnt quite ready for prime time (it doesnt have to be yet, the phone isnt launching in the USA yet)
As for the iPhone theory, dude, if I took a silver sharpie and wrote "3G!" on the side of a regular red brick, it would compete at the same level as the 3g iPhone. Its got 3g written on it and it holds down paper.
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LOL! now That was funny
I agree

Looking forward to July if it really is released then.
I see at http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/specs.php?id=2522 it does say MicroSD I hope it's does have a MicroSDHC card slot since the 16GB card is due in June.
As for the screen I've had a Tosh G900 for the last 11months and 800x480 is rubbish. As loads of apps don't work either wont run at all crash (TomTom portrait) or do mad tripple drawing stuff (TomTom landscape).
800x480 is nice for web pages though. Altough at 10pixels per mm you need good eyes for small text!
I think I am drawn towards the Raphael over the Xperia X1 due to it's tiny size. As well as a lot of apps not using the extra pixels of the WVGA devices.
I'm also keen to get back to HTC and all the ROM cooking and updates that have been missing on the Tosh which still has loads of bugs after nearly a year.

avalon53 said:
Originally Posted by dieKatze88
I have a feeling its a quadband phone but the radio rom isnt quite ready for prime time (it doesnt have to be yet, the phone isnt launching in the USA yet)
As for the iPhone theory, dude, if I took a silver sharpie and wrote "3G!" on the side of a regular red brick, it would compete at the same level as the 3g iPhone. Its got 3g written on it and it holds down paper.
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LOL! now That was funny
I agree
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Let the Iphone hate build inside and consume you!!
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but why still the standard 65,536 colors???

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but why still the standard 65,536 colors???
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why exactly do you need more?
ain't that some windows mobile limitation? the Imates ahve 262k color screens, but only show 65k a time.

dieKatze88 said:
I have a feeling its a quadband phone but the radio rom isnt quite ready for prime time (it doesnt have to be yet, the phone isnt launching in the USA yet)
As for the iPhone theory, dude, if I took a silver sharpie and wrote "3G!" on the side of a regular red brick, it would compete at the same level as the 3g iPhone. Its got 3g written on it and it holds down paper.
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I guess you misunderstood me. What I mean is that AT&T and Apple are both interested to sell as much iphones as possible before letting a better model to hit the market!

Anyone recommend a VGA replacement for my TyTN II??

Hi all,
Just wondering if anyone has had much experience trying to replace a TyTN II. I've been really please with it, but I don't really use the keyboard and would really love a VGA screen.
I've looked at the Eten X650 and X800 but the reviews are a bit mixed to say the least and I'm just not sure!
So has anyone made the switch from an HTC device to an Eten or i-mate etc successfully or any other similar phone? And found them to be useable?!?!
Any suggestions on a new model would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advanced,
Gadget.

You could look at the Touch Diamond. If you want a keyboard wait for the Touch Pro.

gadgetdude, similar situation here. Except I'm moving from a standard tytn to an I-mate 9502 and I need the keyboard. This is only day 2 in the switch for me, but I can say it's different. One big thing I miss is the lack of the great HTC apps like the home plugin, audio manager, and task manager. That hurts. Also, I gotta say, while the VGA is good for browsing and makes the fonts look great, it's kinda of a waste on a 2.8" screen.
This phone is a little quirky compared to the tytn, but it has some good points. I'll probably be using it until the X1 comes out. Good luck.

Now with all the VGA devices coming out, I would have thought someone would have converted the original HTC home to fit VGA. I know there is currently a version out there that works but it makes every so damn small. Imagine how the original HTC would look in VGA if it fit to the screen lke the QVGA version does.

More info...
Thanks dudes for all you're input.
Still not sure tho - the Touch Pro looks rather cool! And I guess it'll have proper VGA versions of the HTC software?!
Has anyone got any opinions on the 'joystick' control on the Eten X800 or X650 though? I'm still not convinced whether it'll be a real pain or not!
Cheers dudes!

Have you looked at the tosh g900?
This actually has the highest res screen on any windows mobile device (to my knowledge) at 800x480. Its gorgeous for browsing and looking at pictures/photo's etc. It can be a bit slow when rotating orientation but thats the only time.
The original firmware was VERY buggy and so it built up a reputation according to this - bear in mind though, it was brand new and early adoption should expect issues. This reputation is now unfounded imho. Since firmware 3.01 and above, its rock solid and I never have to reboot mine.
This is what I do on mine without any issues/crashes:
Today screen extra's -
HTC X-Button,
SPB Weather,
SPB Backup,
Rhinocode Launch Pro,
Corner-A PDA Status
Other apps installed and working -
Saman SMSDeliveryReceiptFix
Micromega MSS Converter
ZoomSMS
YouTube Player
OneNote (although, this wont pull notes FROM the PC but will push TOO the pc)
MS Voicecommand
Google Maps
Route66 (sadly, the only Satnav i've found to work correctly with its high res screen)
Oh something else this phone did first, afaik, was to have a USB hub in it! You wont believe how handy it is to plug in USB storage devices (right up to external 3.5" disks!) at work to move stuff around.
The fingerprint security/program launcher is excellent - wish more phones had it! I also use the phone constantly on 3g/hsdpa as a modem for my pc and browse the web loads. I've had to buy a 3000mamp battery which makes the phone a bit bulky but to be fair, i don't think there are many people who are as heavy users as me. I also have configured a mail2web push email and a couple of pop 3 accounts.
BUT I am getting rid for two reasons:
No built in GPS
camera is w*&k
I am waiting for the Samsung I900 Omnia which is released any day now here in England.
Samsung http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=samsung+i900&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Tosh http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=tosh+g900&meta=

I had the eten M800 and the joystick was ok. It made it abit larger when in your pocket. Personally I like the joystick on the imate 8502. This joystick is the best I've used yet buty personally I like the 5-way pad over any joystick.

If screen resolution is a top priority, then take a look at Sony Xperia X1, it does have a physical keyboard but has a WVGA screen, thats 800 by 480. It's designed by HTC and marketed by Sony Ericsson, so best of both worlds.

[email protected] said:
If screen resolution is a top priority, then take a look at Sony Xperia X1, it does have a physical keyboard but has a WVGA screen, thats 800 by 480. It's designed by HTC and marketed by Sony Ericsson, so best of both worlds.
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and also not out until end of this year/early next year(?) .... continualy delayed product. By the time it comes out its going to be old. Compared to the G900 it offers very little extra and the G900 was out almost a year ago (and so has had all the bugs ironed out of it, something a brand new product will not be able to claim), specialy a Windows Mobile device.

you can also wait for the futur Toshiba G920 or G910
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but i thought there is a bounty for whoever to unlock the video processor within the tytn ii or tilt that is not being used at all...if someone is able to show us how to make use of that wouldnt that improve the resolution plus 3d games?

jtoyz2 said:
... unlock the video processor within the tytn ii or tilt that is not being used at all......
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Sadly thats the case with a lot of phones. A great many smartphones out there have this issue. For example, my G900 has the Nvidia chipset in it but it aint used properly, and with an 800x480 screen, it would make a massive diference.
Why, oh why do they not give them drivers?

its not just phone company i remember the psp was like that as well...originally was a faster processor but they blocked it...off topic...anyways i seen a video of someone tapping into the graphic chip on the tytn ii maybe there is still hope...

Thanks for all the input on this.
In the end after much soul searching (well, phone searching, anyway!) I decided to go for the new Touch Diamond. Seems to fit what I'm after the most.
It's arriving tomorrow and I can't wait!!

Gadgetdude,
You have PM
WB

Shall we get the Raphael?

Checking in!
Just to share a thought. Looking back more than a year ago, I had to spend some good effort hunting for the TyTN 1 (Got the first available variant model Taiwan CHT9000). This year alot of decent phones came out, making decisions much harder to make. I guess it is good news...
The Raphael would be a dream keyboarded WM 6.1 micro SD device but since I currently own the HTC Diamond and Apple iPhone 3G. I have to double think before getting this. May be I will have the Diamond sold and get the Raphael.
The iPhone lacks AD2P Bluetooth which is a serious draw back. The battery is non swappable, no memory card (not really a big deal cos the itunes sync is much more reliable than Active Sync ).
Feel free to share your thoughts!

Wow, you really are a "PPC-Warrior" with all those devices :O.

drivers?
Shall we get the Raphael?
Mmm that depends of the performance of the gpu,
or presence of a graphic driver!
Does anybody has information about this issue?

Does it take SDHC or just regular microSD?

takes SDHC up to 32GB

I had a dream...
What about the famous HTC Dream. its been long roumered to be out before year ends. Would it be worth waiting for I wonder.

I have so been waiting for this device to hit the shelves. HTC should have had this thing available 2 weeks ago or at least made some noise about it. Imagine if people knew about this!!
Apple sold 1 million Iphones here in Australia in the first 3 days and you cant even type on the damn thing without having to constantly correct yourself if you have fingers bigger than what my 5 yr old has and the GPS cant speak directions, no messenger and list of draw backs goes on.
I'm just hanging for this thing to arrive.

Will the Raphael have the same diamond back as the ,uh, Diamond? I read somewhere that the diamond doesn't lay flat on the table. I also read somewhere that there will be an optional flat back. Any thoughts?

The T-mobile branded Raphael has a flat backcover...

I can't really think of any reason not to buy a Raphael. This looks like the perfect device for current standards. And I don't think it has any serious flaw, which kept me from buying other devices (like the video issue on Tytn II for example).

The Raphael looks indeed quite great to me, but I like the screen size of the Xperia. Would there be a reason not to go for the Xperia?

The only thing that's putting me off is the screen size. 2.8 inches really isn't very big, especially when you're used to the Universal and its wonderful 3.7 inch VGA screen.
The xperia 3 inch screen isn't much bigger than the touch pro, plus I prefer the touch pro styling. I also wonder if the xperia's WVGA screen will cause software compatability problems?

Prerna said:
The Raphael looks indeed quite great to me, but I like the screen size of the Xperia. Would there be a reason not to go for the Xperia?
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1. maybe software problems with that screen solution
2. no video out
3. probably no (or not a lot) support by the chefs and professionals in this community for that hardware...
4. no release date avaliable

Prerna said:
The Raphael looks indeed quite great to me, but I like the screen size of the Xperia. Would there be a reason not to go for the Xperia?
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I have read the keyboard is awful. Unless they improve it before releasing, which is highly unlikely because that would change the design, I wouldn't buy it, afterall the main reason for me to choose Pro instead of Diamond is the keyboard, which is considered excellent by some people who had a chance to use it.

thanks, your arguments make enough sense to reconsider my liking. I wish the Diamond Pro would have a 3' screen ;-)

I heard that X-Peria is going to be released only in oct end , so thats quite some time whereas Raphael is scheduled to be launched on aug 5th i guess.
I am eying on the Raphael.

Prerna said:
The Raphael looks indeed quite great to me, but I like the screen size of the Xperia. Would there be a reason not to go for the Xperia?
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the physical screen size of the X1 is only 0.2" than the Raphael...
A good reason not to go the X1 is the wonderful Xda-developers forum
Another is that it's a bit delay
Personally the perfect phone for me would be a Diamond with micro-sd card support and a 3.5" screen with VGA but I sold my prophet and I can't no longer wait for the perfect phone. So, the best for now is the Raphael...
P.S. - Samsung Omnia is also a no go for me cause it doesn't have a stylus...

Actually the omnia has a stylus which looks like lipsick lol, there's nowhere on the handset to store it thought.. picture below.
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Sunlight readable?
I am pretty sure I want to get the Touch Pro over the Xperia X1 apart from one thing. The reviews of the Xperia say it's screen is readable under direct sunlight. People I know with the Diamond say it is not.
I've spent the last year with the Tosh G900. It also has the 800x480 like the Xperia but it can't be seen outside. I was thinking that all these small screen high res phones were unreadable in sunlight. Maybe there is a problem with transflective displays at this pixel density?
The Touch Pro has a lot of advantages over the X1, 5 rows of keys, TV out and 640x480 screen (this is better I now know after living with the 800x480 for year and finding loads of apps that wont work). But I like to use TomTom while cycling so sunlight readable would be quite a bonus...
This phone so nearly does everything that I've been waiting so many years for, apart from decent camera with optical zoom and OLED screen. Guess I'll have to wait a few more years before I'm completely happy!

actually the diamond is the first pda/phone i have that the light sensor really works, if there is too much sun he will increase the display light, for me it is quite readable ( better than x7500 for example )

Raphael Vs Xperia

Anyone done a comparison? That Xperia looks like it could be fabulous.

there is a bit here
http://smape.com/en/reviews//Sony_Ericsson_XPERIA_X1-prev.html
featurewise anyway

To my knowledge the Xperia isn't even out yet.
Also to US customers I hear that The Xperia isn't coming to AT&T, just to T-Mobile. I bet you could unlock it, but I think the 3G frequencies of AT&T and T-Mobs USA are different.
So if you have AT&T the Choice is clear...
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Of course the main reason to get a Touch Pro is the keyboard, otherwise you'd be getting the smaller, sexier Diamond. So for a majority of TP buyers, keyboard = important.
First thing I thought when I saw the X1 was "ugh what a nasty uncomfortable looking keyboard". Most hands-on comparisons I've read pretty much confirm it.
So, the main reason to get a bulkier slider device is the keyboard, and it's keyboard is a failure. Of course, not everyone will be so fussy about the keyboard, but for me it knocked the X1 clean out of the race.

The Raphaels keboard is far better, and the Raphaels TF3D/Manila destroys Panels (although the fish were kinda cool ).

Rudegar said:
there is a bit here
http://smape.com/en/reviews//Sony_Ericsson_XPERIA_X1-prev.html
featurewise anyway
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BTW, for anyone who doesn't know Russian,
"Дисплей:" means display.
Also, the Raphael has 288MB of RAM (32 of which are because of the chipset, which means the X1 may have it as well.)

Regarding the panels interface, I bet that will be ripped to other WinMo devices before you know it!!
Also I was thinking, is it really a proper interface or is just a bunch of background applications presented in that "panel" form, for example like the "expose" thing you get on a mac?
If so someone could create an app for all winmo device that "exposes" running apps into a panel view, you then tap the one you want to go to and it maximises/brings it to front...
amirite?

Syphon Filter said:
Regarding the panels interface, I bet that will be ripped to other WinMo devices before you know it!!
Also I was thinking, is it really a proper interface or is just a bunch of background applications presented in that "panel" form, for example like the "expose" thing you get on a mac?
If so someone could create an app for all winmo device that "exposes" running apps into a panel view, you then tap the one you want to go to and it maximises/brings it to front...
amirite?
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Since the very first leaked X1 ROMs, I've been attempting to port it to QVGA, but it doesn't work...
It's an Expose like task manager, but you can also have preset "Desktops".
The closest to getting tasks displayed as images ATM would be Roozbehs 3DAltTab.

JimmyMcGee said:
To my knowledge the Xperia isn't even out yet.
Also to US customers I hear that The Xperia isn't coming to AT&T, just to T-Mobile. I bet you could unlock it, but I think the 3G frequencies of AT&T and T-Mobs USA are different.
So if you have AT&T the Choice is clear...
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LOL, nice jimmy

At this moment I got a TyTN II (Kaiser) in my pocket. Is the Touch Pro (Raphael) the continuator or is there coming a TyTN III?
The current price here in the Netherlands between the TyTN II and the Touch Pro is very small. Should the Omni the next generation TyTN -> TyTN III?

My decision is like follows:
I buy a Touch Pro if HTC manages to increase the 3G reception to a normal level before Xperia X1 is on sale. I'd prefer the Touch Pro mainly because of the better keyboard, but reception is even more important for me. Without reception a phone is a worthless piece of plastic.
If HTC fails on the Touch Pro and the Xperia X1 shows an acceptable reception, then I'll be still happy and buy the X1. I will tell myself that the more HW Keys, more LEDs and bigger screen (resolution) was worth it.
But if both fail I have to stick with my TyTN until the next generation is announced. (...and I really want a new toy! (NOW!))

Side by Side Comparison
Found this comparison on smape also...
http://smape.com/en/reviews//HTC_Touch_Pro-Sony_Ericsson_XPERIA_X1-prev.html

The TouchPro also has TV-OUT, though cable not included

At this moment I got a TyTN II (Kaiser) in my pocket. Is the Touch Pro (Raphael) the continuator or is there coming a TyTN III?
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The Touch Pro (Raphael) is the successor to TyTN II (Kaiser), so you could say that it is the "TyTN III". Nobody knows whether HTC will make a TyTN III later of course, but in that case it would be the successor to the Raphael, so such a naming scheme makes little sense.

I really had a hard time deciding between the Xperia and the Touch Pro, but i finally decided to get the Touch pro because
- the mainstream screen resolution: more likely that most apps will work with it
- a little smaller in size
- keyboard with arrows (i use them a lot)
- no release date for Xperia yet (alltough i think that would change fast now), and my tytn was dying
- TV out
- TF3D looks really slick
- A lot more support for the Touch Pro on this forum
The only advantage of the Xperia over the touch pro were the metal finish (alltough im very pleased with the looks of the Touch pro, it looks better in real life then on photo, and my gf thinks it's a very sexy phone) and the bigger screen.

Incarniac said:
The Touch Pro (Raphael) is the successor to TyTN II (Kaiser), so you could say that it is the "TyTN III". Nobody knows whether HTC will make a TyTN III later of course, but in that case it would be the successor to the Raphael, so such a naming scheme makes little sense.
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Probably have abandoned the TyTN series now i think, the TyTN II was released before the Touch, Touch cruise etc... More likely they will carry on the touch branding or start a new series?

l3v5y said:
... and the Raphaels TF3D/Manila destroys Panels ...
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true, it does... but... how long will we in the modifications community leave the X1 alone? not long, me thinks. The X1 will have TF3D/Manilla available within the first few weeks of its release, which will run in one of the 9 panels (lets see the iphone do that!), and then the only shortfall will of course be the keyboard and tv-out, which you can't upgrade. but the X1 is a much sexier phone... >sigh< well KRAP! I guess I'll just have to buy one of each

ouch Pro vs. Xperia
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Of course the main reason to get a Touch Pro is the keyboard, otherwise you'd be getting the smaller, sexier Diamond. So for a majority of TP buyers, keyboard = important.
First thing I thought when I saw the X1 was "ugh what a nasty uncomfortable looking keyboard". Most hands-on comparisons I've read pretty much confirm it.
So, the main reason to get a bulkier slider device is the keyboard, and it's keyboard is a failure. Of course, not everyone will be so fussy about the keyboard, but for me it knocked the X1 clean out of the race.
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The keyboard is one of the features, (agree, the Toch Pro seem to have the better one) but the overall use should make the decission. The complete UMTS band and all 4 GMS break the choice. Travelling with the Touch Pro will be difficult without the bandwith. Will see when both US Versions will be available.

Will X1 be supported by XDA-Developers?
A question for senior members/moderators: Since the X1 will be manufactured by HTC, will it be supported here on xda-developers.com in the forum and wiki area? If it were, that may sway some decisions in its favor. (truthfully, i'm having a hard time deciding)
Thanks in advance...

I was going back and forth on both devices but finally decided to take Touch Pro for some reasons:
- "real" HTC devices has a very big community
- Touch Pro has a light sensor
- Touch Pro has a g-sensor
- it is as small as an Magician
- it is going to be released soon (SE actually has not)

Best value for money WM phone

Hi guys
I'm looking for a good value for money windows mobile phone.
It has to have
Touch Screen
QWERTY keyboard
At least 128MB of ram
At least 400mhz CPU
Decent battery life.
Mini USB connection
Good ROM development.
I have owned
HTC S630 (64mb & 200mhz)
Imate 8502 (Good specs but no rom development)
Samsung C6625 (Good specs but not touch screen and little rom dev)
I've been looking at the HP Ipaq data messenger (£150 new ebay) but I hear its got a crap battery life.
I'm not looking to spend £300 ($500) on a phone!
Something perhaps around £180.
Has to be pay as you go. I avoid contracts like a plague!
Thanks.

get a kaiser / tilt

HTC all the way
Rhodium is the best hardware keyboard device you can find this days.
It´s a great piece of work with a great design.
You won´t regret it.
With some luck you can find a tmobile version very cheap this days, have a look on marketplace section

MoneyFist said:
I've been looking at the HP Ipaq data messenger (£150 new ebay) but I hear its got a crap battery life.
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Do NOT, I repeat, NOT get an iPAQ DM. I have it laying in front of me here. It fails on so many levels it ain't even funny. Let me name all bad things about it:
1. The battery lasts 1 day with luck.
2. Getting a GPS lock can easily take 10 minutes.
3. It has the standard Windows Mobile UI, which blows.
4. Even if you install SPB Mobile Shell, be prepared for lockups.
5. The keyboard is crap. It doesn't type good at all, I had the phone for 7 months and I still ain't that fast on it.
6. My 'E' and 'V' button begin having troubles early on. Where I had to press extra hard to use them.
7. Pretty much no chance at WinMo 6.5.x, as the boot loader is encrypted.
8. The QVGA screen is near useless.
9. The camera is completely useless. It has no autofocus, is blurry as hell. And taking a picture can take 5 seconds. And if you want to delete the picture or take a new one, it's gonna load 5 minutes again.
10. Unless you're using some simple WiFi encryption like WEP, don't expect to have a connection all the time.
11. All the hardware buttons on the side are way too hard to press.
12. It has no Mini USB, it looks like it, but it's some HP-proprietary nonsense.
13. ROM development is 0.0, like I said, encrypted.
14. It failed so hard, HP canceled production of it not long after it was released.
15. Just don't get this phone. You'll regret it.

kekkle said:
Do NOT, I repeat...Just don't get this phone. You'll regret it.
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Tell us how you really feel. LOL

my suggestion is no matter what qwerty keyboard phone u get DO NOT GET THE SE XPERIA X1 that phone have a 512 cpu and i think like a 800 mbs on. im currently using it and im VERY unhappy with the phone. i was hoping it to be better then it should be. if u dont drops your phone or anything i would suggest a Nokia N97 or a Nokia N900
i personally would give a rating of the X1 from a 3 outta 5.
some people are havin problems with the bluetooth(headset) on the x1 and i am too.(bluetooth static noise) i personally dont like the virbration of the phone,the loudness. the phone is VERY low when is on max. and when i have the phone in my pocket i TOTALY dont feel the phone virbrating in my pocket.and most of the time the Camera frezzes on me and that lead into a phone freeze.i had a Nokia N97 and im very happy with it. i thought the SE X1 would be better then the N97 and stupid enough to sold the N97. EXTREMELY UNHaPPY WITH SE X1. AND VERY UNHAPPY WITH SE COUSTOMER SERVICES! im saying that because my phone is still under warrently, my phone having problems they're gunna make me pay 200$ to get my phone fix.. i would highly suggest N97.
N97 space is by G and the CPU is 1GHZ

orb3000 said:
Rhodium is the best hardware keyboard device you can find this days.
It´s a great piece of work with a great design.
You won´t regret it.
With some luck you can find a tmobile version very cheap this days, have a look on marketplace section
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+1...the Rhodium is great, and nails every one of your requirements

This ones easy. If you want to pay $250 - $300 get an HD2, if you want to pay $100 - $250 get a Touch Pro 2/Tilt2/Rhodium. Both are abosolutely killer phones and you can pick them up second hand for pennies on the dollar. I say an HD2 because you think you have to have a real KB but after using the HD2 touch KB you won't need it anymore. I bought a mint ATT TILT2 for $150 the other day, then I bought an HD2 kit with everything and less then 5 hours on the phone total for $250. Everyone is selling their smart phones to pay the $300 for the new iphone so you can get phones for nothing now in local classifieds.

krook6023 said:
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Hehe, there's only one thing I really miss from the phone. That is the mute slider on top. As it allows you to quickly put the phone on vibrate and back on sound. Especially great in meetings. You just slide your hand in your pocket and do it quickly without even having to get it out.
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+1 Rhodium