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HTC Trinity release soon- my dream PDA

I am definitely gonna wait for this phone. but I am not sure with the Samsung processer, any commons?
http://www.slashphone.com/articles/show_more/71-4993-HTC-2006-Roadmap-Exposed.html?&page=8

fei886 said:
I am definitely gonna wait for this phone. but I am not sure with the Samsung processer, any commons?
http://www.slashphone.com/articles/show_more/71-4993-HTC-2006-Roadmap-Exposed.html?&page=8
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Hermes without a keyboard. Nice.
Look at the TyTyn/Hermes forum for any comments, or to ask questions, about the Samsung processor. I've not seen any complaints about it yet.

I sincerely hope that is a fake/mock up version of the Trinity. I suggest there is a chance given that the first site that image appeared on a cpl months ago is quite dodgey.
I think we would all agree this version of the trinity some months earlier is something to be hoping for:

The only issue with the Samsung is that it is an obsolete processor - it is ARMv4.
Intel have been using v5 for several users and v6 has either come out or soon will do.
This can effect support for some of the best apps. The main one I can think of is iPlay which is orders of magnitude better than any other media player - quality on my 2750 is far better that my v5 ipod. iPlay has legacy code to allow the old ogg / mp3 / wma support - but the later mp4 / aac / gapless support is only available with v5 and later.
Paul.

Then check this out:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5477.html
Btw, 400 MHz Samsung processor is equal to 520 MHz INtel. Intel processors, doesn't matter which ARM they use, they give mediocre performance.

Samsung Omnia Pro!!!!

A device has now been tested www.gsmarena.com/samsung_b7610_omniapro-review-378.php
What are your thoughts? Is this a match for the TP2?
I hate to say it, but im swayed by this device to move away from HTC until they bring the next touch/keyboard device (TP3?)

I still prefer TP2!
The only point I can see is not better is in processor, but I´ll wait patiently to see the 09-10 HTC new models!

ooh i dont know that seems prettty nice.... but since its probably not coming to tmobile here in the us i think i have no choice but to go iwth the touch pro 2, it will probably go to Verizon cause they where the only one to get the last omnia

A match? To be honest, I'm not seeing how the Touch Pro 2 is supposed to be better or even equal to a phone that has an AMOLED screen and 800Mhz Cortex A8 processor. The B7610 even beats the TP2 in little things like camera and ROM storage amount.

steve7702 said:
A device has now been tested www.gsmarena.com/samsung_b7610_omniapro-review-378.php
What are your thoughts? Is this a match for the TP2?
I hate to say it, but im swayed by this device to move away from HTC until they bring the next touch/keyboard device (TP3?)
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That's old news... I was not impressed.

Im so impatient, I dont think I can wait til the next version of the Touch Pro is available. The TP2 has only just been released and therefore its probably going to be another 12 months.
The fact the Samsung is lighter, better screen, camera (inc flash), I have to admit im tempted

.... and you have Samsung build quality which is, in my experience, awesome..... unlike my experience of HTC's which is frankly, awefull.
You will be able to get many cooked roms over at omnia.modaco.com and you will get just as much support from them and here when combined.
i'm gutted I bought my Acer m900 only to THEN find out about the Omnia Pro (the acers great but ....)

poetryrocksalot said:
That's old news... I was not impressed.
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It was dated "GSMArena team, 20 July 2009. " .... i'd hardly call that old!

I used to have a Touch HD and video performance was a letdown. Don't get me wrong the HD is a magnificent device, but not being able to watch videos as they should be on this great screen was dissapointing. I tried many different encoders, like doctor divx, nero recode and the encoder made for this device but none of them gave me satisfiyng results. Especially considering that I had to REENCODE a complete movie, this process could easily take several hours. Many tweaks drivers etc never gave me full satisfaction. I made tons of little clips to test the best possible performance for the least amount of encoding time and my findigs were that my best option was to reencode with Nero at a maximum resolution of 524 and max bitrate of 700 and selecting Quicktime compatibility for the MPEG ASP. So I ended up with tons of clips, each time trying wich is the best. The following things were particularly frustrating.
- No out of the box divx/xvid support
- playback of divx/xvid with coreplayer or any other 3rd party player was slow and laggy
- No standard MPEG 4 ASP support, for example videos recorded on other devices like Nokia's wouldn't play. Also many programs would create incompatible mp4 files for this device. Later I found out because it doesnt support the Advanced Simple Profile but only the Simple Profile. (Quicktime compatible)
- No standard MPEG 4 AVC support, as the point above the only way to make mp4 video work on this device was to use the encoder program wich was very very very slow. (on my pc at least) Files created with nero or xvid or any other VC-1 encoder would fail to play on this device.
- Even videos created with the special encoder would play fine, but seeking and switching from fullscreen to portrait etc was always lagging.
NOW : I bought a Samsung Omnia PRO B7610 and man it's a world of difference. Seriously this device is awesome for video playback. Smooth playback, fast mode switching, fast seeking forward. I mean everything wich was wrong with the HD is right with this device. I hadn't deleted my bunch of test clips for the HD and this device plays nearly all of them without a problem. And the best part is, I don't have to reencode anything anymore. Every divx/xvid video I tried played flawlessly. Lost episodes downloaded from the web at 624 resolution look perfect on the Amoled Screen, and play perfectly smooth. Well I am certainly satisfied with this device.

samsung b7610
where did you get this deveice from , i've been waiting for it for a long time. does anyone have any idea about a UK release date. i've been scouring the internet and can't find a thing.

I got it online from pdashop / Coolblue. Price for just the phone without contract was 468 euros. You can probably find it cheaper online, but I was prepared to give a little more to get my hands on this a soon as possible.

tuntang said:
where did you get this deveice from , i've been waiting for it for a long time. does anyone have any idea about a UK release date. i've been scouring the internet and can't find a thing.
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It appears not to be in the UK until 7th Oct. clove.co.uk have it and also Play.com both about £399 inc VAT

steve7702 said:
It appears not to be in the UK until 7th Oct. clove.co.uk have it and also Play.com both about £399 inc VAT
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I love all this new found competition and new companies entering the Winmob market, prices of high end devices are tumbling!

maryjohn said:
Hey all..
I get whole briefly details of Samsung Omnia Pro, hey i m agree it's processor is not much more better compare to HTC, but yet i like samsung due to it's big feature screen resolution..
i like most it screen size as well as sound quality and operating system.. hey it's deserve to 9 point out of 10.
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What do you mean its a 272mhz difference on cpu not much but on a phone at this time it is a significant difference.

sdlopez83 said:
What do you mean its a 272mhz difference on cpu not much but on a phone at this time it is a significant difference.
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MHz mith and people who know nothing about processor design, gota love it.
google mhz, ghz, processor design and learn. You can NOT compare simple MHZ.

Samsung: Better cpu, Better camera, no tilt screen (a plus for me)
I think I would still prefer the HTC Touch Pro until this get´s cheaper .

now i've got the new Samsung Omnia Pro GT-B7610
Can anybody tell me when the new WM 6.5 will be available for that phone?

If only it had ATT 3g capability, I'd be on it like a flea on a dog...

why not have the guys over at modaco cook up a full fledged HTC rom with manila 2.5/2.6 and other HTC goodies instead of the samsung apps??
i mean all the HTC goodies in a 800MHZ CPU with a dedicated GFX accelerator and a AMOLED screen = PERFECT

mike21pr said:
why not have the guys over at modaco cook up a full fledged HTC rom with manila 2.5/2.6 and other HTC goodies instead of the samsung apps??
i mean all the HTC goodies in a 800MHZ CPU with a dedicated GFX accelerator and a AMOLED screen = PERFECT
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in the words of my favourite film "Chill Winston"
They will, very soon I would imagine. Modaco has been the major source of Omnia I900 roms and I have no doubt it will be so for the new Omnia's.

Nokia E61i

I am getting it cheap so I am thinking to get it. Perhaps it is quit old now but still not bad to have. I wanna know is this set good to have, does it has any known issue/problem (either hardware or software).
I also want to ask few questions.
1. I am confused what does it mean by Dual ARM 9 220 MHz processor. does it has 2 processors if so then how exactly they work together?
2. What kind of official/unofficial updates I can apply to it? Stock is Symbian OS 9.1, Series 60 v3.0 UI
3. Does the processor support any graphics acceleration e.g ATI Imageon?
4. How is the experience with watching movies?
5. Does it support Office 2007 extension?
6. Does it has Push Email client?
Any other important information will be welcomed too.

As we dedicate mostly to HTC WM/Android devices you won´t get too much attention.
Better to try on one of this forums:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=es&...&cd=2&ved=0CAkQvwUoAQ&&q=nokia+forums&spell=1
Good luck,

alright I'll gve it a go.

HTC HD 3..!!!

Well lot of rumors goin on the net, anyone have any idea if if HD 3 is for real..???
Well there are loads of sites which give you the detaisl when googled, this is 1 of them
http://www.fonearena.com/blog/2010/01/26/htc-hd3-specs-leaked.html

It's a fake.
The announced SnapDragon is the dual core version if I'm not wrong.
It's just a dream concept

But many websites are confirming it..!!!

heartsurfer008 said:
But many websites are confirming it..!!!
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for instance?
plus the specs are from here!!!

woow , good!

this is fail =/

Yes, the new HD3 will be complete magic with WP7 :
-no copy and paste, YAY !
-no multitasking, YAY !
-no microSD card, YAY !
Everybody can use it, even 90 yeard old grandmas !

danielhere said:
Yes, the new HD3 will be complete magic with WP7 :
-no copy and paste, YAY !
-no multitasking, YAY !
-no microSD card, YAY !
Everybody can use it, even 90 yeard old grandmas !
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If what you say is true then it'll suck..!!!
HD2 rocks then..!!!

heartsurfer008 said:
If what you say is true then it'll suck..!!!
HD2 rocks then..!!!
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I am afraid he is right.
New WP7 reminds me of crappy iPhone interface.
Instead of getting more features and opportunities they're copying Apple style.
Hopefully with WP7.3 we will get copy and paste and with 7.4 maybe multiasking.
I will go for Android when I will change my HD2.

heartsurfer008 said:
Well lot of rumors goin on the net, anyone have any idea if if HD 3 is for real..???
Well there are loads of sites which give you the detaisl when googled, this is 1 of them
http://www.fonearena.com/blog/2010/01/26/htc-hd3-specs-leaked.html
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The first item on the list says "1.5 GB Qualcomm Snapdragon.."
ZOMG!!11!! A PHONE PROCESSOR WITH A GIG AND A HALF OF COMPUTING POWER
..what? Does that make sense to you? No. Use your head next time, man

phone processors are at 1 ghz and so far maximum processing power is 1.3 ghz overclocked so its not out of the realm of possibility

domineus said:
phone processors are at 1 ghz and so far maximum processing power is 1.3 ghz overclocked so its not out of the realm of possibility
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I think the point was it says GB not ghz
Edit: Also if it was an official "document" or whatever it would say "Windows Phone Series 7" or whatever the official name is, not "Windows Mobile 7"

Those specs are obviously fake...1200x800 is not a supported resolution.

I think it's a fake ... but I hope so much that is true!
If the HD3 will keep the promises .. for me it will be the first PDA without the physical keyboard!
PS: Just this HD3 can make me leave my Touch Pro 2!

Seems like a rumor for now...but it could show up in the Fall.

I'm sure there will be a successor to the HD2 running Windows Phone 7 Series, but I think they will choose a different name than HD3 considering it's a completely new OS. And it will definitely have a screen res of 800x480, no higher.

chambo622 said:
I'm sure there will be a successor to the HD2 running Windows Phone 7 Series, but I think they will choose a different name than HD3 considering it's a completely new OS. And it will definitely have a screen res of 800x480, no higher.
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It's possible that the forthcoming HTC Obsession will actually be a merger between the HD and Diamond product lines - in other words that there won't be a direct successor to the HD2 at all.
And yes, the "HD3 specs" posted earlier are a very obvious fake. We now know that WP7S doesn't support resolutions higher than 800x480; we also know that no WP7S device will be able to use a removable memory card. I really wish people would stop creating threads about these "specs" - there must have been nearly a dozen different threads about them, now. They don't get any less fake for being posted multiple times.

Well have been using HD2 for a while & was just curious, so just started this thread..!!!
Hope we get WM7 or Android sooner on HD2..!!!

Shasarak said:
We now know that WP7S doesn't support resolutions higher than 800x4800;
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800x4800 ? Wow, that's one hell of a resolution

Since when is processor speed measured in GB? And wow they gone really far for 1 generation. from DVD qualitity to 1080p.
Also everybody is talking about HD3. Where is TP3? I want to see some new HTC models with HW KB.
Also i wish that HTC would make some tegra models instead of qualcomm. Maybe then they will provide better drivers.

[dev] kingdom lockscreen port

thanks to seo we have kingdom nice lockscreen
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1062962
problem is that if it's used with default bravo adreno libs we have no icons and no caller picture.
Logcat says
18:39:47.211 Debug mode10 1887 [mode10] Maximum number of texture units exceeded!
If you replace adreno libs with the ones from ace the is somehow working (after alot of errors and other problems - expected since is for ace not for bravo)
So best solution would be for us to patch lockscreen not to use other gpu libs
now the libs responsible for that error message are libmode10GLES20_ml.so libmode10Graphics.so
The reason for ace adreno libs *working* is because of the more OPEN GL extension supported ( i don't know if is only in driver or also in gpu )

Call 911 (snq)
sry for the OT.

What with overclocking the gpu, i men we can overclock cpu, maybe that would help make things faster, i mean so we can't raise the available texture channels, but it would be faster.

JeckyllHavok said:
What with overclocking the gpu, i men we can overclock cpu, maybe that would help make things faster, i mean so we can't raise the available texture channels, but it would be faster.
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Useless imho to overclock gpu... Will result in more battery drain only without significant boost... I think the easier solution is to port or create the right drivers that can handle allctextures.or, if possible, to reduce them maybe with lower resolution...

That probably means that the driver can't handle that much textures, but if the Ace driver works, then it's not a hardware limitation, but rather a software one. So IMO something should be done not with the lockscreen but with the drivers to remove that software cap.
UPD: I wonder if the same limit is present in all drivers... More texture units unlocked => more general graphics performance...
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well its impsossible to add more texture units to the desire so that wont be possible so only way is to create some hacked libs but snq can help but sadly he aint been working on these ports atm

JeckyllHavok said:
What with overclocking the gpu, i men we can overclock cpu, maybe that would help make things faster, i mean so we can't raise the available texture channels, but it would be faster.
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Oc'ing the GPU will not give you the texture power that is required.

K900 said:
That probably means that the driver can't handle that much textures, but if the Ace driver works, then it's not a hardware limitation, but rather a software one. So IMO something should be done not with the lockscreen but with the drivers to remove that software cap...
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This has to be the way forward, if this works with the ACE drivers then it is the case that the Adreno 200 driver software is saying 'no way' to the requests when the actual hardware can handle it.
The other idea I had is whether we can bundle the ACE drivers and edit/hack the lockscreen to use them only whereas everything else can use the standard Desire Adreno 200 drivers.

whats with reducing the animation to a desire handable level?
sry for bad english

revthanki said:
The other idea I had is whether we can bundle the ACE drivers and edit/hack the lockscreen to use them only whereas everything else can use the standard Desire Adreno 200 drivers.
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I'm not a Java guru, but it seems to me that the libs are actually called by the VM itself and applications interact with the public API through Dalvik. So it's not like lockscreen - hack - libs, but more of lockscreen - hack? - dalvik - hack? - libs
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K900 said:
I'm not a Java guru, but it seems to me that the libs are actually called by the VM itself and applications interact with the public API through Dalvik. So it's not like lockscreen - hack - libs, but more of lockscreen - hack? - dalvik - hack? - libs
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Got it. Therefore, to run both drivers concurrently you'd need to hack the VM to provide a different API just for the lockscreen to call. That sounds intuitively messy and complex.
I think your idea, to hack the Adreno 200 drivers and raise the
limit on the shaders sounds like a good way. Especially because of two facts:
1) That the ACE (Adreno 205) drivers do work in this regard, there's no graphical corruption to suggest that the Adreno 200 cannot handle the called number of shader units.
2) Backed up by the fact that v26 of Baad's InsertCoin Rom, in which he bundled the ACE drivers did seem to have incredible general graphical performance (apart from the maps/music/games force closes) ---> so maybe the Desire hardware is capable of more than the software drivers limits it to...

Edit: lol I didn't read !!!!!!!!!!!

NeoPhyTe.x360 said:
Try this. It works, not too fine, but works.
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We already know about that, this thread is about finding a better solution...
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K900 said:
That probably means that the driver can't handle that much textures, but if the Ace driver works, then it's not a hardware limitation, but rather a software one. So IMO something should be done not with the lockscreen but with the drivers to remove that software cap.
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Some more evidence that the drivers on the Adreno 200 might be the limiting facor, from http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/03/31/first-adreno-220-benchmarks-show-that-it-is-a-beast/
"Qualcomm’s Adreno GPU’s have always been seen as being a sub-par graphics compared to competing offerings from Imagination (PowerVR) and others like NVIDIA’s Tegra. This was essentially true with the Adreno 200 on Windows Mobile and Android mainly because of poor driver quality. Things are a bit different on Windows Phone 7 where the Adreno 200 is the only currently supported GPU, thanks to the tight integration with the OS and relatively good support provided by Microsoft. You can check out my recent Fable Coin Golf video to see that some pretty nice things can be done with it."

Hey baadnewz, the line "Maximum number of texture units exceeded" your searching is stored inside of libmode10GLES20_ml.so.
Code:
StartFrameControllereglCreateImageKHReglDestroyImageKHRexternal/MagicLab-mode10/mode10_trunk_2821_20110218/trunk/graphics/mode10GLES20/src/GraphicsDeviceGL2.cppm_eglDisplay != ((EGLDisplay)0)[mode10] Maximum number of texture units exceeded!
Problem is that contains spaces in original file, so you cant find string, try opening file and try searching it with spaces like below:
Code:
M a x i m u m n u m b e r o f t e x t u r e u n i t s e x c e e d e d !
Hope it helps.

I was thinking about a thing. The problem is that if screen is locked it cant handle textures to show caller image and icons right? But thinking about the significate of texture, we know that they are images that "wear" tridimensional or 2d object, right?
So if it is right, they must be stored in some files that the lockscreen try to recognize but is blocked by the amount of these and give error... If is all corrent, can't be easier to find these texture and remove some or resize? Is a textures number or space (mb)probem?
I dont know if is all correct or not, sorry if not..

ivicask said:
Hey baadnewz, the line "Maximum number of texture units exceeded" your searching is stored inside of libmode10GLES20_ml.so.
Code:
StartFrameControllereglCreateImageKHReglDestroyImageKHRexternal/MagicLab-mode10/mode10_trunk_2821_20110218/trunk/graphics/mode10GLES20/src/GraphicsDeviceGL2.cppm_eglDisplay != ((EGLDisplay)0)[mode10] Maximum number of texture units exceeded!
Problem is that contains spaces in original file, so you cant find string, try opening file and try searching it with spaces like below:
Code:
M a x i m u m n u m b e r o f t e x t u r e u n i t s e x c e e d e d !
Hope it helps.
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thanks alot mate ,now i feel like an idiot

revthanki said:
Some more evidence that the drivers on the Adreno 200 might be the limiting facor, from http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/03/31/first-adreno-220-benchmarks-show-that-it-is-a-beast/
"Qualcomm’s Adreno GPU’s have always been seen as being a sub-par graphics compared to competing offerings from Imagination (PowerVR) and others like NVIDIA’s Tegra. This was essentially true with the Adreno 200 on Windows Mobile and Android mainly because of poor driver quality. Things are a bit different on Windows Phone 7 where the Adreno 200 is the only currently supported GPU, thanks to the tight integration with the OS and relatively good support provided by Microsoft. You can check out my recent Fable Coin Golf video to see that some pretty nice things can be done with it."
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read the line after your highlighted line. i watched the video of the fabile golf running on adreno 200 on WP7 phone and it looks pretty good! so the adreno 200 should be able to run Sense 3 as sense 3 does not contain as much 3D calculations as a game. Our issue is poor drives for adreno on android.

Nekromantik said:
read the line after your highlighted line. i watched the video of the fabile golf running on adreno 200 on WP7 phone and it looks pretty good! so the adreno 200 should be able to run Sense 3 as sense 3 does not contain as much 3D calculations as a game. Our issue is poor drives for adreno on android.
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Hopefully... Though the worst case scenario (which I don't believe - as the ACE drivers do work) is that HTC have built the lockscreen and other elements of Sense 3.0 using some kind of GPU trickery that just cannot be supported by the Adreno 200.
Question: might it be worth looking at how the Adreno drivers are different for WP7? Of course there will be much OS related difference but could some binary hacking reveal anything of use to us?

baadnewz said:
thanks alot mate ,now i feel like an idiot
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And i forgot also inside of file libmode10Graphics.so, same line.
BTW i use FileSeek, you can search entire rom and all the libs and stuff he can search for text, and it doesnt have prob's with spaces in names.
I dont know what you use, but if you wana try it, its free.
http://www.fileseek.ca/