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I am definitely gonna wait for this phone. but I am not sure with the Samsung processer, any commons?
http://www.slashphone.com/articles/show_more/71-4993-HTC-2006-Roadmap-Exposed.html?&page=8
fei886 said:
I am definitely gonna wait for this phone. but I am not sure with the Samsung processer, any commons?
http://www.slashphone.com/articles/show_more/71-4993-HTC-2006-Roadmap-Exposed.html?&page=8
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Hermes without a keyboard. Nice.
Look at the TyTyn/Hermes forum for any comments, or to ask questions, about the Samsung processor. I've not seen any complaints about it yet.
I sincerely hope that is a fake/mock up version of the Trinity. I suggest there is a chance given that the first site that image appeared on a cpl months ago is quite dodgey.
I think we would all agree this version of the trinity some months earlier is something to be hoping for:
The only issue with the Samsung is that it is an obsolete processor - it is ARMv4.
Intel have been using v5 for several users and v6 has either come out or soon will do.
This can effect support for some of the best apps. The main one I can think of is iPlay which is orders of magnitude better than any other media player - quality on my 2750 is far better that my v5 ipod. iPlay has legacy code to allow the old ogg / mp3 / wma support - but the later mp4 / aac / gapless support is only available with v5 and later.
Paul.
Then check this out:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5477.html
Btw, 400 MHz Samsung processor is equal to 520 MHz INtel. Intel processors, doesn't matter which ARM they use, they give mediocre performance.
i was wondering if someone could help me install android on my sciphone dream g2, i know i am cheap and probably stupid too. but i needed a phone to work with and it was cheap. if you know how to do it and also, i would like to try and install android on my cect m88+ iclone.
I'm not sure if it would be possible. You have a different set of drivers (which means you have to build your own build from the proper Android tree). Then you'd have to incorporate the features you want from the other trees. What I'm worried about is the storage space on the device. It's really small. (If I read correctly.) But I'm not a guru by any means.
Different sites reports different storage sizes.
ivanmmj said:
Another site reports more space...
And:
Support Java MIDP 2.0
Is this true??
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That's not going to help - you're talking about talking the OS... It's quite a big project IMO. If you're familiar enough with the hardware on the device and have some experience of writing device drivers it's probably doable (provided the phone is capable of it - 32mb RAM, 32mb Flash, 200mhz processor as an absolute minimum).
Features
* Slim/Flat Touch Screen
* Dimensions : 56 x 107.2 x 11.8mm
* Weight : 110G
* High-Res TFT display, 240 X 320 dots resolution with
* 2.8 inch Touch Screen
* Memory card slot supporting up to 16 GB microSD memory cards
* Up to 80MB internal dynamic memory for messages, ringing tones, images, video clips, calendar notes, to-do list and applications
* Talk Time: Up to approximately 2-3 hours
* EDGE 2.75G high-speed network
thats some of the specs of my phone
You would need further:
* exact type of processor: type, version, frequency
* exact type of GSM hardware, including version and subversion PLUS an appropriate radio flash or source therof or something making the Radio stuff work
* architecture of memory / flash
* chip and version of the USB subsystem: EHCI, OHCI or UHCI ?
* video chip: type, architecture, speed, version
* chip and version of the WiFi subsystem PLUS the orginal manufacturer's firmware
* sound chip: type, version - how does it interact with the GSM Radio subsystem?
... and so on, and so on. It would be nice to have a test cell tower simulator. But then, who would'nt like to have one?
Once you get this data (it's probably easiest to get an original schematic - from the manufacturer or from somewhere else), you can check each of the hardware components if they're supported in Android, if not, if they are supported in Linux. If not, you might be able to code them yourself.
Brace yourself. This will be a project using up about 1-5 man-years (and I'm talking about 5 days / wk, 8-hour days, not 1-3 evenings a week) depending on the amount of hardware support that already exists. Furthermore, it will be beyond a lot of peoples abilities (including mine) to assist you in any way. This is one hell of a tough job you're facing (barring the magical event that the phone accidentally is virtually a G1 clone. ).
I guess what I'm saying is: It's not worth the trouble. Once you've done all this, Android 5.0 will be running World of Warcraft II .
Yah...if this were doable with any kind of ease, you'd see many other phones out there with Android on it. It's just not feasible without the right resources.
Android may be free and open source, but it's only ever really been configured to work with one phone so far, the G1. There's a whole separate tree on Android just for the G1.
This is the same reason why you can't take a Windows Mobile ROM from a Motorola and put it on an HTC device. Software has to be made to work with hardware
So basically it's going to take some heavy heavy development to get something like this done and wouldn't be worth it for anyone to do it for free, when they could be making a VERY nice income getting paid to do it.
It cost a company thousands of $$ in resources to get an OS working with its hardware. This is why MACs couldn't run PC hardware for so long. MAC OS only worked with certain processors.
So yah...I don't think anything like this is going to happen real soon and be on a level where it's supported. The good thing is that since Android is free and open source, some software chop shop in India or China will have it working on Generic phones once the OS matures a little further past G1 hardware.
****and yes I know the OS has been on other phones, but really only supported on one phone successfully so far.
Give it up
give what up?
Guys, you missed one thing. The phone ALREADY RUNS ANDROID, just not a very good version. He's not asking about porting Android, he's asking about building a full featured build and installing it on his phone.
No it doesn't. It runs a chinese OS, with a skin on it to make it look like android.
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNJcBs2D4r8
One thing I'll say for the chinese though.. they make damned good knockoffs.
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No it doesn't. It runs a chinese OS, with a skin on it to make it look like android.
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNJcBs2D4r8
One thing I'll say for the chinese though.. they make damned good knockoffs.
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haha! The quality of the copy is AMAZING!
just shoot my dreams down then -.- i only came here for help. i know it doesn't have the real android os and i know it's going to be a trip porting drivers over for it. if i have to i guess i will have to code the drivers myself if i can. i was just here looking for some friendly help and not being shot down for a phone i bought. i did not have enough for the real deal so i thought i could make something good out of a clone. i did that with my iclone cect m88+. shoot i don't mind if i can install windows mobile on it. atleast it is something i can use and maintain with a better os then the one on it.the phone works but it has alot of bugs in it.
Isn't it a dilemma to buy a phone now. Constant fear of a better version coming out within a couple of months...
So far, a lot of eyes are on the n900 and the HD2. I am not too much of a fan of the Droid - and the Xperia 10 - well that still has potential.
But then we are expecting some Nvidia Tegra 2 based mobile phones as well - not only promising very good graphics performance for gaming - but good battery life.
Then there is always, albeit quite far off - the chance apple decide to do a decent update to the 3GS (I mean, last 2 years, have only been updates to the 3G, so its about time they do something great this year right? Especially with the huge amount of new technology available).
I am stumped, I mean, I really don't know what to do. Buy the HD2, or the N900 - or wait it out for the new phones Q1 2010, or wait Q2/3 2010.
I am looking for, a laptop replacement to be honest - something I can do my browsing and so fourth on comfortably - go on websites like mini clip without hassle - maybe have good game playability. Also, would like to use it for things like BBC iplayer etc - good video recording/camera - so in a way - it seems n900 seems suitable - but then what knocks you back is that it only has a 600 mhz processor, compared to the 1GHZ processors being available - as well as a couple of other shortcomings. Every phone seems to be missing some things - but I guess no one can expect a perfect phone . Do you think, if I wait for 6 months, I could be looking at a very decent laptop replacing phone? I am, at the moment, worried about the lack of battery life on these upcoming ones - which I hope will be amended in the near future?
I guess I am quite optimistic about the Nvidia Tegra 2 based phone - in fact I am just excited at what the possibilities will be - coming early 2010 - but at the same time - frustration - as everything seems to be getting updated really quickly...
So, what about you guys?
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Well you can wait forever for the "perfect" device or decide that you can't wait any longer and buy one from the existent ones.
Also will depend on how much $ you wanna spent.
From the actual ones I can recommend:
The best with hardware keyboard: Touch Pro 2
The best with no hardware kb: HD2
Read, Search, Respect and Enjoy!
Welcome to HTC XDA! As orb said, the HD2 & TP2 are the tops now...see their forum sections for detailed info on them...
What is the opinions of xda forumers on the n900? Potentially it could be huge?
One thing that annoys me about HD2 is - that it is too much makeup on 6.5 - if you get my drift? It is like it is trying to be something its not - while other OS's - seem "proper", I know it all sounds weird - I really don't know how to put it. It is like 6.5 has just had a haircut, beard trim etc to try to compete with the other OS's in terms of UI/touch screen compatibility.
Nokia perhaps is a good device but it has EDIT: maemo on it which I don´t really like...
I´ll recommend you an HTC WM device
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Nokia perhaps is a good device but it has symbian on it which I don´t really like...
I´ll recommend you an HTC WM device
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n900 has Maemo 5 OS.
lolol
@ ma2k5
You wont get any unbiased info from these chaps....
They cant see past the HTC logo......I think Obr3000 gets paid to post sometimes, just posts.
Hi - I buy HTc
Htc
Htc
lolol - I jest - they are all good guys....
Its got worse here over last few years (no I am joking)
Seriously
Touch Pro 2 is a good device for web browsing when using Opera 9.5+ but it is in NO way a next gen device.
But - Opera 10 is now out and available on S60 V5 platform - which is already running on new hardware on devices from samsung and sony... his is a better browsing experience at the moment, it runs OMAP 3 platform with THAT 600MHZ processor you were talking about.
I have a Touch pro 2 and an OMnia HD - side by side the OMnia is faster and smoother when comparing opera builds. Albeit at a lower resolution.....
My touch pro 2 is not quite as good as I expected it to be.
My last HTC device - HTC advantage - bought what, 3 years ago seems to run at a similar pace to this NEW Touch pro 2. Versatile and good to hack but such shabby build, camera sucks cattle, not enough buttons until you open it....
BUT the support from THIS site means that the device is AMAZING!!!!
If it wasnt for XDA dev - the touch pro 2 would just not be viable for me.
The thing to keep in Mind is that Mhz means nothing nowdays.
My Core2Duo on my PC is 2.4 Ghz per core - but each core will still outperform my old P4 3 ghz chip/// as all the buses that transfer the data are many times faster on newer platforms, plus extra tech makes the comparison even less relevant.
What I am saying here is that the 1ghz qualcomm chipies aint going to worry OMAP 3 chips running at 600 + Mhz, performance will be similar.....
Personally, as an owner of many HTC devices AND Nokia AND Samsung Omnia HD if I had the choice now, I would go with the N900 as its new and I think its going to be a killer mature platform
Then again - if I didnt have this touch pro 2 - that can do virtually EVERYTHING I want it to - spotify last fm web ftp full network access - VNC - remote desktop Logme in, Web video downloader, BBC iplayer - My player supporting Hulu channel 4 on demand,
ZENONIA RPG BLISS!!! + all social networking u can do. - Then more than likely I would go for the touch pro 2 again - then look on enviously at the N900.....
The main thing is that I end up carrying another phone for camera and music as this touch pro seems to destroy connectors that convert to 3.5 and its pointless taking shots with it....
I say get a cheaper old Touch pro 1 for the time being (same Hardware as Touch pro 2 just no huge screen) - second hand for what £150 or something......then get a N900 on contract with data connection when your up for upgrade probably for very little $$
Then you will be in tech bliss
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n900 has Maemo 5 OS.
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Thanks for that correction
Anyway my thinking is the same, I´ll stay with WM
The only WM phone I am waiting right now is clamshell type with a powerful processor. I don't care who will make it first, HTC, Sony, Samsung, etc...
I dont understand much about the architecture of software, im asking this because i dont get it, why the processors of our devices cant understand the new kernel and the instructions of WP8. in my head, its exacly the same saying that our pc desktops processors couldnt run the new Windows 8. i would like to know what are the barriers in this case. So guys, what they would be in your opinion?
This was posted by a dude on Reddit.
Disclaimer: I work at Microsoft. But not on Windows Phone.
Windows Phone 7 was built on top of Windows CE kernel (the same as Windows Mobile, and for those who are young enough to remember, Pocket PC and Windows CE Handhelds - this was in 1997).
Windows Phone 8 is moving to NT kernel, the same one as your desktop operating system is using. NT kernel requires radically different hardware - specificaly, TLB mappings in pre-v7 ARM CPU contained logical addresses and this does not work very well on symmetric multiprocessor OS.
So older ARM CPUs did not work with NT kernel, and move to the different OS kernel required radical redesign of the OS. Also, of course the desktop/server OS kernel requires significantly more RAM.
With the large generational shifts it is not uncommon for OS to lose compatibility with old software. These shifts do not happen very often, but they do happen.
For example, Windows NT did not support PCs with 286 CPUs (which were rather common when it shipped), or with less than 12MB RAM (something that is easily upgradeable on a PC, but much more difficult with the phone). Similarly, Windows NT 3.5 dropped support for 386 family entirely.
For Microsoft to have, as you call it, "foresight", it would probably have to drop Windows Phone 7 altogether and go to NT-kernel based solution. It would not have made Phone 8 to appear any faster, however - it would just have lost 2 years.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/gadgets/comments/vdjwe/designed_to_fail_all_windows_phone_7_handsets/c53rh01
I think that answers your question.
Beautifuly!!! Thanks!!
m125 said:
This was posted by a dude on Reddit.
I think that answers your question.
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This answer is a complete bull****! MS already run NT kernel on the arm cpus for a years! This guy is referred to the "desktop" kernel but of course Apollo/WinRT/ (whatever the MS ****heads will call it in the future) has a different (from the desktop OS-es) kernel.
What the "older arm cpu" he's mentioned about??? Nokia Lumia 900 has Qualcomm APQ8055 Snapdragon cpu (google or wiki for that). What the hell "pre-arm"???
Sorry, it's not an explanation, just a stupid bull**** from ignoramus. He definitely needs a "radical redesign" of his brain
Oh c'mon, if our CPUs were the same old Qualcomms from Android 1.6 days I would believe it, but they are last-gen Snapdragons, goddamit!
I'm pretty sure Microsoft could support it as easy as adding two drivers, but it won't. Specially since all phones are the exact same hardware, with WP7.
The point about TLB mappings might be valid... if it weren't for the fact that these are all single-CPU, single-core processors (in WP7 devices). There's no need for a kernel to support SMP. In fact, you don't *want* a SMP kernel on such a processor; there are performance optimizations you can make for single-hardware-thead systems.
Historically, Microsoft has actually shipped two copies (per architecture) of the NT kernel on their desktop OS install media, one for SMP and one for single-core. The installer would use the correct one for the hardware. There is no technical reason that they couldn't do similar with WP8, shipping one NT kernel for single-core phones (which would be able to run on ARM v6) and one for multi-core (which would require ARM v7).
As for the RAM issue, that's a red herring. The RAM requirements of a basic MinWin system are far below the half-gig of WP7 devices. Even adding the phone's extra libraries and user interface, it should still be possible to implement msot if not all of the software features of WP8 while leaving a comfortable overhead for running and app or two at a time (that being all that WP7 officially allows anyhow).
@sensboston: The first that I'd heard of Microsoft running NT on ARM was 2010, when multi-core ARM v7 was already available.
Actually, I agree that the guy doesn't seem to know what he's talking about; according to Wikipedia (unreliable but in this case I see no reason to expect incorrectness), the Snapdragon processors use the ARM v7 instruction set anyhow.
@GoodDayToDie, last two days I've heard a lot of very different (but all BS and incompetent) explanations from MS employees... Seems like guys in marketing department don't have enough engineering knowledge, and can't announce any realistic-looking reason. But may be they don't have to: for general public some unknown "martian" words like "TLB mapping", "GDT and IDT" etc. sounds very "reasonable"
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Oh c'mon, if our CPUs were the same old Qualcomms from Android 1.6 days I would believe it, but they are last-gen Snapdragons, goddamit!
I'm pretty sure Microsoft could support it as easy as adding two drivers, but it won't. Specially since all phones are the exact same hardware, with WP7.
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I really agree with that!! how loudly do we have to yell? But in my point of view nothing about it will be done, microsoft need money and need for yesterday, and yes they will sacrificate the poor white sheeps (that would be us) and watch them bleed just to launch "a completely new OS" that our phones "doesnt support".
As already asked, is there a way to overclock a Windows Phone? I mean even the new encryption of games is already cracked, no one is interested in it if you can overclock a Windows Phone? My HD7 has 1Ghz and calibrates out, but I want to know what is possible and whether it is feasible. I hope for HELPFUL answers and thank you in advance ever!
mfg saalwe
Moved to Q&A mate, no questions in Development please :good:
OK, all right thank you.
I don't think any one HAS done it but since the HD7 is the same, more or less, as the HD2, which can be overclocked, it might be possible, but even then, the HD2 wasn't overclocked using the WP OS sooo I doubt it
Not possible as of now because no one has attempted.
I think it is not possible to overclock WP7 and also iOS because these OS are not Open source like Android OS.
Wm isn't open source either and yet it was overclockable long before android was the shadow of a thought, its about getting direct access To the the hardware i believe, however, im not convinced there is enough interest to do it, besides 1ghz is great, what the hd2\7 lacks is good graphics
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Pity. It is not about whether you need it. NOW 1GHZ enough, but what if it should soon be possible to port Windows Phone 8 on the HD7 with considerably more complex games and programs THEN it is no longer likely ... It can not really be said for it is NOT interested to overclock Windows Phone 7 (once you have the hardware addresses, etc. has, you can do that quickly adapt to the device). You can not start a call or somehow similar to a developer?
mfg saalwe
The HD2/7 is hardware that's 3 years old! The fact it runs WP as well as it does is testament to MS for making a solid fluid OS, it will be time to put the king to sleep soon, now OCing on the HD2 produced mixed results, mostly instability, very hot and minimal gains in speed significant drop in battery. The interest in this hardware generation S1 snapdagons, is now dropping, all im saying is, don't hold your breath
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