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Samsung Omnia Pro!!!!

A device has now been tested www.gsmarena.com/samsung_b7610_omniapro-review-378.php
What are your thoughts? Is this a match for the TP2?
I hate to say it, but im swayed by this device to move away from HTC until they bring the next touch/keyboard device (TP3?)

I still prefer TP2!
The only point I can see is not better is in processor, but I´ll wait patiently to see the 09-10 HTC new models!

ooh i dont know that seems prettty nice.... but since its probably not coming to tmobile here in the us i think i have no choice but to go iwth the touch pro 2, it will probably go to Verizon cause they where the only one to get the last omnia

A match? To be honest, I'm not seeing how the Touch Pro 2 is supposed to be better or even equal to a phone that has an AMOLED screen and 800Mhz Cortex A8 processor. The B7610 even beats the TP2 in little things like camera and ROM storage amount.

steve7702 said:
A device has now been tested www.gsmarena.com/samsung_b7610_omniapro-review-378.php
What are your thoughts? Is this a match for the TP2?
I hate to say it, but im swayed by this device to move away from HTC until they bring the next touch/keyboard device (TP3?)
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That's old news... I was not impressed.

Im so impatient, I dont think I can wait til the next version of the Touch Pro is available. The TP2 has only just been released and therefore its probably going to be another 12 months.
The fact the Samsung is lighter, better screen, camera (inc flash), I have to admit im tempted

.... and you have Samsung build quality which is, in my experience, awesome..... unlike my experience of HTC's which is frankly, awefull.
You will be able to get many cooked roms over at omnia.modaco.com and you will get just as much support from them and here when combined.
i'm gutted I bought my Acer m900 only to THEN find out about the Omnia Pro (the acers great but ....)

poetryrocksalot said:
That's old news... I was not impressed.
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It was dated "GSMArena team, 20 July 2009. " .... i'd hardly call that old!

I used to have a Touch HD and video performance was a letdown. Don't get me wrong the HD is a magnificent device, but not being able to watch videos as they should be on this great screen was dissapointing. I tried many different encoders, like doctor divx, nero recode and the encoder made for this device but none of them gave me satisfiyng results. Especially considering that I had to REENCODE a complete movie, this process could easily take several hours. Many tweaks drivers etc never gave me full satisfaction. I made tons of little clips to test the best possible performance for the least amount of encoding time and my findigs were that my best option was to reencode with Nero at a maximum resolution of 524 and max bitrate of 700 and selecting Quicktime compatibility for the MPEG ASP. So I ended up with tons of clips, each time trying wich is the best. The following things were particularly frustrating.
- No out of the box divx/xvid support
- playback of divx/xvid with coreplayer or any other 3rd party player was slow and laggy
- No standard MPEG 4 ASP support, for example videos recorded on other devices like Nokia's wouldn't play. Also many programs would create incompatible mp4 files for this device. Later I found out because it doesnt support the Advanced Simple Profile but only the Simple Profile. (Quicktime compatible)
- No standard MPEG 4 AVC support, as the point above the only way to make mp4 video work on this device was to use the encoder program wich was very very very slow. (on my pc at least) Files created with nero or xvid or any other VC-1 encoder would fail to play on this device.
- Even videos created with the special encoder would play fine, but seeking and switching from fullscreen to portrait etc was always lagging.
NOW : I bought a Samsung Omnia PRO B7610 and man it's a world of difference. Seriously this device is awesome for video playback. Smooth playback, fast mode switching, fast seeking forward. I mean everything wich was wrong with the HD is right with this device. I hadn't deleted my bunch of test clips for the HD and this device plays nearly all of them without a problem. And the best part is, I don't have to reencode anything anymore. Every divx/xvid video I tried played flawlessly. Lost episodes downloaded from the web at 624 resolution look perfect on the Amoled Screen, and play perfectly smooth. Well I am certainly satisfied with this device.

samsung b7610
where did you get this deveice from , i've been waiting for it for a long time. does anyone have any idea about a UK release date. i've been scouring the internet and can't find a thing.

I got it online from pdashop / Coolblue. Price for just the phone without contract was 468 euros. You can probably find it cheaper online, but I was prepared to give a little more to get my hands on this a soon as possible.

tuntang said:
where did you get this deveice from , i've been waiting for it for a long time. does anyone have any idea about a UK release date. i've been scouring the internet and can't find a thing.
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It appears not to be in the UK until 7th Oct. clove.co.uk have it and also Play.com both about £399 inc VAT

steve7702 said:
It appears not to be in the UK until 7th Oct. clove.co.uk have it and also Play.com both about £399 inc VAT
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I love all this new found competition and new companies entering the Winmob market, prices of high end devices are tumbling!

maryjohn said:
Hey all..
I get whole briefly details of Samsung Omnia Pro, hey i m agree it's processor is not much more better compare to HTC, but yet i like samsung due to it's big feature screen resolution..
i like most it screen size as well as sound quality and operating system.. hey it's deserve to 9 point out of 10.
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What do you mean its a 272mhz difference on cpu not much but on a phone at this time it is a significant difference.

sdlopez83 said:
What do you mean its a 272mhz difference on cpu not much but on a phone at this time it is a significant difference.
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MHz mith and people who know nothing about processor design, gota love it.
google mhz, ghz, processor design and learn. You can NOT compare simple MHZ.

Samsung: Better cpu, Better camera, no tilt screen (a plus for me)
I think I would still prefer the HTC Touch Pro until this get´s cheaper .

now i've got the new Samsung Omnia Pro GT-B7610
Can anybody tell me when the new WM 6.5 will be available for that phone?

If only it had ATT 3g capability, I'd be on it like a flea on a dog...

why not have the guys over at modaco cook up a full fledged HTC rom with manila 2.5/2.6 and other HTC goodies instead of the samsung apps??
i mean all the HTC goodies in a 800MHZ CPU with a dedicated GFX accelerator and a AMOLED screen = PERFECT

mike21pr said:
why not have the guys over at modaco cook up a full fledged HTC rom with manila 2.5/2.6 and other HTC goodies instead of the samsung apps??
i mean all the HTC goodies in a 800MHZ CPU with a dedicated GFX accelerator and a AMOLED screen = PERFECT
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in the words of my favourite film "Chill Winston"
They will, very soon I would imagine. Modaco has been the major source of Omnia I900 roms and I have no doubt it will be so for the new Omnia's.

Most Anticipated phones and why? leo,x2,tegra,n900

Just wondering what phones people are MOST looking forward to seeing soon and if could have now what they would want. My top choices are....
The New Xperia X2 with its 512 Ram (supposed) and 8.1 MP Camera and custom WM 6.5 with upgrade to 7 rumors
http://gizmodo.com/5282146/sony-ericsson-xperia-x2-specs-leaked-and-laid-bare
Or
The New tablet/Smartphone Nokia N900 with its maemo interface including custom mozilla web browser possibly fennec? And The built-in 32 GB storage with Expandable upto 48GB card and only 256 mb ram to power it all. Along with the 5 megapixel camera and TV out
http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
Or
The Flashy FLuid and Fast tegra powered Tegra APX with probably the nicest ui possible and whats said to put the 1ghz snapdragon processor to shame with Up to 720p video
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_tegra_apx_us.html
http://www.nvidia.com/object/mobile_games_demos.html
Or Last but not least
The rumored HTC Leo with the new snapdragon processor and 1ghz mobile processor and its Hero-ish TF3D 2.6 Rumored 5 MP camera (possibly 8mp??) and 320mb ram
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-leo-specs-leak-4-3-inch-capacitive-wm6-5-snapdragon-smartphone-2149867/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igRA...ovingly-demonstrated/&feature=player_embedded (video of a diamond 2 but it is running the tf3d 2.6 leo is rumored to come with)
My choices lean towards Either the APX or the n900 love the nokia internet tablet series have for years and with mozilla combining with them to take over the internet experiance (although they are workign with windows mobile too) Or the APX just looks so smooth and that eye candy can't be denied only concern is call quality and battery life anything running a processor that powerfull can't last long although rumored for 10 hours.
As far as i know all these phones are rumored to hopefully be release late this year if all goes right is there any updates on release dates i know preorder is out for n900 preorder price of $649 in the us
Anyone have any info on the xperia x3 android phone heard a few things but no info and i don't understand the release of the x3 when x2 isn't out till supposedly early oct this year.
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009...achael-to-launch-as-xperia-x3-specs-revealed/

These all seem nice but I'm definitely going to try the n900 looks very fast and has a very nice looking U.I and I'm waiting impatiently for a tegra based phone

All very impressive...
I'll be getting the HTC Leo due out in a few weeks, and hanging out on XDA for cool mods, roms, etc.

lol..no brainer here. I am getting the N900. No more sony x1 crap and any sony phone for that matter. BAD Customer support...

yep n900 for me too - need a break from winmo, it feels tired now

I´ll choose Leo
As will have the support form this great site

for sure HTC LEO or TEGRA as it is also rumered that HTC will use tegra based chips for later phones... both are great...

im with you im thinking tegra that chip is way beyond ANYTHING else out. Have any of you played with the zune hd? add tons more sensors a keyboard possibly and 3g connection... i can't see anything better personally

anyone news about the Tegra-chipset & HTC?

jimk16 said:
Have any of you played with the zune hd? add tons more sensors a keyboard possibly and 3g connection... i can't see anything better personally
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Zune HD is impressive! But, I have not heard any more rumors on a htc tegra ppc...

Galaxy s or something else ?

I have a Htc hero gsm, happy about it, but i want a new phone with a bigger screen and more powerful gpu to play games on.
Is Galaxy s something good? or is there anything more powerful than the Galaxy s? if there is, how much is the GPU, better than the Galaxy as a percentage?
Or should I wait until after new year? when dual core come? but i have heard that the GPU on them should be similar or slightly better than Galaxyn s gpu ... So what is the best?
btw how good is the Galaxy s gpu compare to iphone 4 ?

you simply cant compare the iphone 4 to any other phone ... no matter what aspect ! the iphone 4 was created by god , to reflect his own vision of what a perfect phone should be ..

souljaboy said:
you simply cant compare the iphone 4 to any other phone ... no matter what aspect ! the iphone 4 was created by god , to reflect his own vision of what a perfect phone should be ..
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For anyone else who is agnostic there are other options.
I have a TMO Vibrant, the phone is good for my my needs, but there are a few flaws that Samsung committed:
1. GPS is flaky, even with the latest update the accuracy is something to be desired.
2. For the life of me I cannot comprehend the business decision at Samsung to go with a crippled filesystem - RFS - based on a decade decaying FAT32.
It is the major gripe, but with the development going on in the Galaxy S forums there seem to be a light at the end of a tunnel with converting RFS into EXT based filesystem.
The CPU choice is good, the GPU is there as well.
If your main concern is games, I don't think Android is up there yet though.

The iPhone 4 is running a PowerVR SGX535 while the Galaxy S series are running on a PowerVR SGX540. The Galaxy S has better hardware for gaming, but still, the app store is still much better on the iPhone.
I suspect that the Android market will catch up within the year, but because of the different specs an Android phone can come in, developers may have a hard time porting their games.

just a random question... if there is a psp emulator, will galaxy s run smooth on psp games ?

The Galaxy S has a faster GPU, but it probably won't be taken advantage to the extent that the iPhone4's GPU is due to the hardware diversity of the android platform.

oopeteroo said:
just a random question... if there is a psp emulator, will galaxy s run smooth on psp games ?
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Sony is going to release a Playstation phone running Android OS - most probably Gengerbread - my guess would be around CEC next year. So the quality gaming is coming to Android.

[Q] VPAD7 (the G-Tablet's new little brother)

Greetings,
I just received the brand new VPAD7 and I know that the HW Specs are different, I'm curious how much work it would take to port one of these G-Tablet ROMs to the VPad? Viewsonic seems to have locked this down so tight I can't even use better keyboard on it... Not Cool.
Anyway I've never developed a ROM but if someone want's to teach/try, I'll be the guinea pig with mine.

Did VS abandon the TapnTap skin?

daCalifa said:
Did VS abandon the TapnTap skin?
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We can only hope they did.

Nothing... The VPAD7 uses a ARM ARM11 600 MHz..... unfortunately your severely limited with that Processor/chipset.... All the work in this forum is for Tegra 2 based processors... the VPAD7 is more like the deformed step sister twice removed...
If you can return it would recommend it - you are just about at the tail end of that machine based on the processor/chipset (not even a 1ghz which is need for many games at least) and get a Galaxy Tab if you need 3G or just wait for the new Galaxy Tab.. Its processor is significantly faster..
If you want a Tegra 2 based 7inch with 3G your going to have to wait.. if dont care about 3G then go with the eLocity A7 (tegra 2 based) BUT its not multitouch so no gaming for you...
There are no good options at this point for 7".... I know.. I have been looking and salivating at this point for a good unit that doesn't sacrifice in the major areas.
daveinmn said:
Greetings,
I just received the brand new VPAD7 and I know that the HW Specs are different, I'm curious how much work it would take to port one of these G-Tablet ROMs to the VPad? Viewsonic seems to have locked this down so tight I can't even use better keyboard on it... Not Cool.
Anyway I've never developed a ROM but if someone want's to teach/try, I'll be the guinea pig with mine.
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You bought a turd (sorry, im just saying what everyone is thinking)
600mhz=meh.

I played with it at CES yesterday. Get the Dell instead.
stanglx said:
If you want a Tegra 2 based 7inch with 3G your going to have to wait.. if dont care about 3G then go with the eLocity A7 (tegra 2 based) BUT its not multitouch so no gaming for you...
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Moved to general

The vpad7 is totally unrelated to the gtablet. It is actually closer to the iPhone 4 than anything else - imagine a 7" iPhone 4 running android and you will get the picture.
It is quite nice to play with - almost unadulterated AOSP 2.2.1, responsive despite the slower processor, similar screen density to the gtablet (with better viewing angles - but not anywhere close to IPS or AMOLED, and limited 800*480 resolution).
Installs and plays AB as a direct download from the Market. (Full Market and Gapps as standard.)
Easy to Root - has been available in Europe since November. (ROMs available at MODACO.)
It IS a phone - full telephone capabilities with gsm and 3G available on AT&T (EDGE on T-Mobile).
All in all, this is a phone with a 7" screen: much more usable than my 4" regular phone, but not an iPad/Gtablet alternative...
Sent from my ViewPad7 using XDA App

I knew what I was getting when I bought it. I'm using it mostly for work and for that it's fabulous. For 3G I just Hot Spot it to my phone when needed. It actually maintains a better signal than my T-Mobile phone, works great as a HANDS Free phone as well. I was really looking for a way to get it onto the 3G Network, currently it will only do Edge. Angry Birds runs fine as long as its the ONLY thing running. But that and Solitaire are the only games I have on it. Continually moving the SIM Card is a pain.

I wonder if the ro fingerprint could be pulled from it to gain a true full market on the Gtab. Also wondering if the Vending/Market APK would provide a market on the Gtab that would display properly (not cutting off the stars)? Any ideas from someone a bit smarter than me in all this or would it not work because of the 600 mhz vs tegra 2 difference?

[Q] Why is iPhone still faster than any Android Quad-Core Phone?

Hi,
my friend and I are comparing which Phone is better.. The iOS Phones or the Android Phones.
In my opinion an iPhone is not a real Smartphone because you can't really do nothing with it..
There is just a damn Appdrawer without a damn Home screen.
Just Apps and some other notification stuff.
An Android Phone has almost everything that you need. You can even Update a Ps3 system with just an Android Phone.
You can build your own system and run your Rom with your taste.
But why the hell has the iPhone 5 still compared to HTC One X or Sony Xperia Z a better Benchmark result?
I mean the iPhone got a Dual core with just 1 Ghz per Core. But it beat a Quad-Core Phone.
For example I got a Sony Xperia S and how you know it has a 1,5Ghz Dual-Core hardware. And STILL the iPhone runs Asphalt 7 or Shadowgun: Deadzone better than the Xperia S
How that can be possible??

xShottaZx said:
Hi,
my friend and I are comparing which Phone is better.. The iOS Phones or the Android Phones.
In my opinion an iPhone is not a real Smartphone because you can't really do nothing with it..
There is just a damn Appdrawer without a damn Home screen.
Just Apps and some other notification stuff.
An Android Phone has almost everything that you need. You can even Update a Ps3 system with just an Android Phone.
You can build your own system and run your Rom with your taste.
But why the hell has the iPhone 5 still compared to HTC One X or Sony Xperia Z a better Benchmark result?
I mean the iPhone got a Dual core with just 1 Ghz per Core. But it beat a Quad-Core Phone.
For example I got a Sony Xperia S and how you know it has a 1,5Ghz Dual-Core hardware. And STILL the iPhone runs Asphalt 7 or Shadowgun: Deadzone better than the Xperia S
How that can be possible??
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To answer the question in title.
Iphones would seem faster because its software is only written for one device.. the Iphone.
When you build the hardware and the software you able to really optimise it for that device.
This would be possible with Android but for a device manufacture would take far to much work at the lower levels of android itself, and they simply do not have the time or resources to do that (After all we do want updates within 6 months of google pushing them).
If you however get a Nexus device built for stock Android you will see what android can do

zacthespack said:
To answer the question in title.
Iphones would seem faster because its software is only written for one device.. the Iphone.
When you build the hardware and the software you able to really optimise it for that device.
This would be possible with Android but for a device manufacture would take far to much work at the lower levels of android itself, and they simply do not have the time or resources to do that (After all we do want updates within 6 months of google pushing them).
If you however get a Nexus device built for stock Android you will see what android can do
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Yes and Java android implementation has a really time spent garbage collector, IOS programs are written over Objective C with just in time memory management.
No garbage collector = faster app

The on-the-surface reasons are a fast and capable CPU and GPU, but mainly the fact that apps have a very limited ability to run in the background. There are more technical reasons, as mentioned above, but that's the gist of it.
iOS's efficiency and performance comes from its heavy software limitations.

Okay, so mainly it has to do with optimizing the hardware with the software right?

xShottaZx said:
Okay, so mainly it has to do with optimizing the hardware with the software right?
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Yes, and like I said, heavily disallowing apps from running in the background.

I bet thats also the reason why macs are seen as such intuitive machines compared to pcs. Windows is made for any pc while mac os is strictly built for mac. :good:

Omega Supreme said:
I bet thats also the reason why macs are seen as such intuitive machines compared to pcs. Windows is made for any pc while mac os is strictly built for mac. :good:
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Macs use the same parts as PC's. It's just that they say, "Alright, these are the parts we're going to use this year. We only need drivers and software compatible with these parts. Anything extra is up to the manufacturers." It's the same thing with Windows, but like you said, just a wider array of devices and parts.
Intuitiveness has nothing to do with hardware and interfacing software; it has everything to do with aesthetics and software design.

Okay thanks for your answers guys

for me, Iphone is only good for old people, who doesnt really care about their gadget, they only use it for show off, without knowing the "true" potential of their phone.
with android, we could squeeze the juice from the phone out untill its screaming, lol, and our device will worth every dime and penny we spent, like many of people only know that they have Intel i7 processor without knowing that their i7 processor can beat up so easily with Overclocked core 2 Quad processors.
just my 2 cents though

There's more to it than benchmarking though. I actually carry and use both devices. My DNA is a good bit faster than my iPhone with some processes. Other things the iPhone is faster with. But as stated above, the apple hardware and software is highly optimized, which is why iPhone users don't see force closes or random reboots except for the occasional rare extreme problem.
They both have their pros and cons, there's a lot of young people also that the iPhone fits better than android.
There's a lot of people in this world that think differently than me. I did not see the dialer or keyboard on my DNA until after it was unlocked and rooted and had a custom rom and kernel overclocked. I didn't realize until later that I didn't even open much on the interface until after I had installed the software I wanted. Lots of people wouldn't want to take an off contract 700 dollar device and blindly void the warranty, but that's all I bought mine for is the hardware and ability to build my rom and interface to fit my needs.
Sent from my DNA... S-Off like a baws

apple not only manufactures its own software, but also hardware, hence it has better control to customize their hardware according to the software or vice versa.

ob7125 said:
apple not only manufactures its own software, but also hardware, hence it has better control to customize their hardware according to the software or vice versa.
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Apple doesn't manufacture anything. Most of their components come from Samsung and other manufacturers like Qualcomm. They work ONLY on the software.

i think you are wrong.
zacthespack said:
To answer the question in title.
Iphones would seem faster because its software is only written for one device.. the Iphone.
When you build the hardware and the software you able to really optimise it for that device.
This would be possible with Android but for a device manufacture would take far to much work at the lower levels of android itself, and they simply do not have the time or resources to do that (After all we do want updates within 6 months of google pushing them).
If you however get a Nexus device built for stock Android you will see what android can do
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i saw the nexus 5 benchmark fight with the iphone 5s, NEXUS 5 can't reach near iphone 5s , actually i don't understand how is this possible and i don't believe that optimization makes iphone to this much faster, when we are looking forward the case of samsung galaxy note 3 and iphone 5s just an optimization can't beat the 8 core and 3Gb ram with 1.3gh 2 core with 1gb ram, may be the precision is the key