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[TO-DO]Found Some Intresting stuff on HTC Site

Hello!!
This thread Is For Future Development so Mods plz Don't alter this thread at least pm me before...
while Browsing the HTC site, i opened up sites of 3 different zones i mean:
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[B]HTC MAGIC INDIA[/B]
http://www.htc.com/in/product/magic/specification.html
[B]HTC MAGIC EUROPE[/B]
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/magic/specification.html
[B]HTC HERO WORLDWIDE[/B]
http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html
& just compared the HTC Magic from India, Europe & HTC Hero from worldwide site...
Some Differences Found:
HTC Magic from India has:
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1. Processor ----------Qualcomm® [B]MSM7200A™[/B], 528 MHz
2. Memory: ------------ROM: 512 MB [B]RAM: 288 MB[/B]
3. Has(+) --------------[B]HTC Sync™[/B]
4. Has(+) --------------[B]Microsoft® Exchange Server synchronization[/B]
While HTC Magic From Europe had the following difference:
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1. Processor ----------Qualcomm® [B]MSM7201a™[/B], 528 MHz
2. Memory: ------------ROM: 512 MB [B]RAM: 192 MB[/B]
3. Lacks(-) -------------[B]HTC Sync™[/B]
4. Lacks(-) -------------[B]Microsoft® Exchange Server synchronization[/B]
And the HTC Hero Has +points on both of the above are:
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1. Connectivity --------------------3.5 mm audio jack
2. Camera -------------------------5.0 megapixel color camera with auto focus
3. Audio supported formats ----Windows Media® Audio 9
4. Video supported formats ----Windows Media® Video 9
Now the main reason for this Thread,
Seeing the Differences,
The Europe Magic May be lacking the Extra RAM Due to some Processor Changes, Bootloader & Boot image Which allots less space for RAM & more for Internal Space...
So I think It Can Gain That Extra RAM by making changes to the above stuffs... More over HTC Sync™ & Microsoft® Exchange Server synchronization can be added to future ROM's...
Then Leaving The Indian Magic, because It has Most of Them... We Skip to Compare HERO to these Phones & even add G1/DREAM/ADP1..
The 5 MP Camera & 3.5 mm audio jack Cannot Be added, as its an Hardware Spec, But We can add those Missing Codecs Windows Media® Audio 9 & Windows Media® Video 9 to HTC MAGIC & HTC G1/DREAM/ADP1
For that we need the Original HERO Gallery, Some Frameworks & Libraries which may be missing in current HERO ROM(Provided By Haykuro)...
So This post is for Future to-do to the Developers at XDA-Developers Android Section... Stuffs to Be done as soon as The Proper Hero ROM is available.
SANGEET

Based on my research, MSM2700A chip only goes up to 400MHz. 2701A is the one that has 528MHz and is used in all HTC's android phones.
As to the memory problem, I think the 288MB RAM is just the same storey as the 192MB claimed for G1. The MSM2700 series chips are asymmetric, which means, external memory has to be split in two in hardware. In G1, only half of the 192M RAM is avaiable to the application processor, while the rest is dedicated to radio and probably video. So I think for Hero, 288MB is the total memory and we have 192M available to the OS (96M for the armv6 chip as in G1).
Also, the MSM2700 series comes with Windows Media and RealNetworks format support, but I guess some of the drivers and codecs cannot be included in an open-source project. Now the HTC way is much closed and commercial, so WMA and WMV support is possible.

billc.cn said:
Also, the MSM2700 series comes with Windows Media and RealNetworks format support, but I guess some of the drivers and codecs cannot be included in an open-source project. Now the HTC way is much closed and commercial, so WMA and WMV support is possible.
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Ya i know its closed source, But still we can port it as done with the PDFviewer & many more HTC stuffs ported from 1 phone to another...
& the Hardware stuff I dont know more about it but ll say that the MSM2700 series is also capable to be overclocked to 527.~ Mhz coz my adp1 has it & can be successfully be overclocked to 527 Mhz...
But if u r an hardware expert then dont know, may be its showing fake reading of cpu overclocked to 528 on my adp1

sangeet.003 said:
Ya i know its closed source, But still we can port it as done with the PDFviewer & many more HTC stuffs ported from 1 phone to another...
& the Hardware stuff I dont know more about it but ll say that the MSM2700 series is also capable to be overclocked to 527.~ Mhz coz my adp1 has it & can be successfully be overclocked to 527 Mhz...
But if u r an hardware expert then dont know, may be its showing fake reading of cpu overclocked to 528 on my adp1
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MSM2700A & MSM2701A are the same, the main difference is the MSM2701A is actually a Dual Core processor. (weird they didn't put it into the new US Magic) It uses 1 core for all your phone processes (making calls, etc) and it uses the other core for all your android OS processes... pretty cool huh? Both can be upto 528Mhz

Oooo I want a 2701a

CBowley said:
Oooo I want a 2701a
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yea, the G1's have it... I was going to get the Touch (HTC Magic) but if it doesn't have the 2701a then i don't want it. lol. Plus i'll miss my keyboard too much. I hate onscreen keyboards. no matter how much they make it "type correctly", it never works lol.

sangeet.003 said:
But We can add those Missing Codecs Windows Media® Audio 9 & Windows Media® Video 9 to HTC MAGIC & HTC G1/DREAM/ADP1
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I'm so interested because those codecs are necessary to Play and see, web-streaming tv that use wmv codecs.

mrandroid said:
MSM2700A & MSM2701A are the same, the main difference is the MSM2701A is actually a Dual Core processor. (weird they didn't put it into the new US Magic) It uses 1 core for all your phone processes (making calls, etc) and it uses the other core for all your android OS processes... pretty cool huh? Both can be upto 528Mhz
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Stop posting stuff like that. Those processors are THE SAME. The're a patent issue involved that made them change names. And a diference in coding video (not that we care right now with our crappy cameras).

RPG0 said:
Stop posting stuff like that. Those processors are THE SAME. The're a patent issue involved that made them change names. And a diference in coding video (not that we care right now with our crappy cameras).
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So It means The Processors same But Differently named due to some issues, wish we could get a 600 Mhz or 1 Ghz processor to get far more than that ****** iPhone...
Leave that, or the thread may get slipped to off toppic...
Just start posting here when someone provides the Release version of HERO ROM which is complete....Posting about porting/adding those codecs
As we know HTC's Gona provide ROM's to HTC Branded Androids, & G1 cant Run the full ROM @ that speed as Magic & Hero can achieve, So we can only port some of this stuff so it at-least runs @ normal speed...

Samsung Omnia Pro!!!!

A device has now been tested www.gsmarena.com/samsung_b7610_omniapro-review-378.php
What are your thoughts? Is this a match for the TP2?
I hate to say it, but im swayed by this device to move away from HTC until they bring the next touch/keyboard device (TP3?)

I still prefer TP2!
The only point I can see is not better is in processor, but I´ll wait patiently to see the 09-10 HTC new models!

ooh i dont know that seems prettty nice.... but since its probably not coming to tmobile here in the us i think i have no choice but to go iwth the touch pro 2, it will probably go to Verizon cause they where the only one to get the last omnia

A match? To be honest, I'm not seeing how the Touch Pro 2 is supposed to be better or even equal to a phone that has an AMOLED screen and 800Mhz Cortex A8 processor. The B7610 even beats the TP2 in little things like camera and ROM storage amount.

steve7702 said:
A device has now been tested www.gsmarena.com/samsung_b7610_omniapro-review-378.php
What are your thoughts? Is this a match for the TP2?
I hate to say it, but im swayed by this device to move away from HTC until they bring the next touch/keyboard device (TP3?)
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That's old news... I was not impressed.

Im so impatient, I dont think I can wait til the next version of the Touch Pro is available. The TP2 has only just been released and therefore its probably going to be another 12 months.
The fact the Samsung is lighter, better screen, camera (inc flash), I have to admit im tempted

.... and you have Samsung build quality which is, in my experience, awesome..... unlike my experience of HTC's which is frankly, awefull.
You will be able to get many cooked roms over at omnia.modaco.com and you will get just as much support from them and here when combined.
i'm gutted I bought my Acer m900 only to THEN find out about the Omnia Pro (the acers great but ....)

poetryrocksalot said:
That's old news... I was not impressed.
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It was dated "GSMArena team, 20 July 2009. " .... i'd hardly call that old!

I used to have a Touch HD and video performance was a letdown. Don't get me wrong the HD is a magnificent device, but not being able to watch videos as they should be on this great screen was dissapointing. I tried many different encoders, like doctor divx, nero recode and the encoder made for this device but none of them gave me satisfiyng results. Especially considering that I had to REENCODE a complete movie, this process could easily take several hours. Many tweaks drivers etc never gave me full satisfaction. I made tons of little clips to test the best possible performance for the least amount of encoding time and my findigs were that my best option was to reencode with Nero at a maximum resolution of 524 and max bitrate of 700 and selecting Quicktime compatibility for the MPEG ASP. So I ended up with tons of clips, each time trying wich is the best. The following things were particularly frustrating.
- No out of the box divx/xvid support
- playback of divx/xvid with coreplayer or any other 3rd party player was slow and laggy
- No standard MPEG 4 ASP support, for example videos recorded on other devices like Nokia's wouldn't play. Also many programs would create incompatible mp4 files for this device. Later I found out because it doesnt support the Advanced Simple Profile but only the Simple Profile. (Quicktime compatible)
- No standard MPEG 4 AVC support, as the point above the only way to make mp4 video work on this device was to use the encoder program wich was very very very slow. (on my pc at least) Files created with nero or xvid or any other VC-1 encoder would fail to play on this device.
- Even videos created with the special encoder would play fine, but seeking and switching from fullscreen to portrait etc was always lagging.
NOW : I bought a Samsung Omnia PRO B7610 and man it's a world of difference. Seriously this device is awesome for video playback. Smooth playback, fast mode switching, fast seeking forward. I mean everything wich was wrong with the HD is right with this device. I hadn't deleted my bunch of test clips for the HD and this device plays nearly all of them without a problem. And the best part is, I don't have to reencode anything anymore. Every divx/xvid video I tried played flawlessly. Lost episodes downloaded from the web at 624 resolution look perfect on the Amoled Screen, and play perfectly smooth. Well I am certainly satisfied with this device.

samsung b7610
where did you get this deveice from , i've been waiting for it for a long time. does anyone have any idea about a UK release date. i've been scouring the internet and can't find a thing.

I got it online from pdashop / Coolblue. Price for just the phone without contract was 468 euros. You can probably find it cheaper online, but I was prepared to give a little more to get my hands on this a soon as possible.

tuntang said:
where did you get this deveice from , i've been waiting for it for a long time. does anyone have any idea about a UK release date. i've been scouring the internet and can't find a thing.
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It appears not to be in the UK until 7th Oct. clove.co.uk have it and also Play.com both about £399 inc VAT

steve7702 said:
It appears not to be in the UK until 7th Oct. clove.co.uk have it and also Play.com both about £399 inc VAT
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I love all this new found competition and new companies entering the Winmob market, prices of high end devices are tumbling!

maryjohn said:
Hey all..
I get whole briefly details of Samsung Omnia Pro, hey i m agree it's processor is not much more better compare to HTC, but yet i like samsung due to it's big feature screen resolution..
i like most it screen size as well as sound quality and operating system.. hey it's deserve to 9 point out of 10.
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What do you mean its a 272mhz difference on cpu not much but on a phone at this time it is a significant difference.

sdlopez83 said:
What do you mean its a 272mhz difference on cpu not much but on a phone at this time it is a significant difference.
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MHz mith and people who know nothing about processor design, gota love it.
google mhz, ghz, processor design and learn. You can NOT compare simple MHZ.

Samsung: Better cpu, Better camera, no tilt screen (a plus for me)
I think I would still prefer the HTC Touch Pro until this get´s cheaper .

now i've got the new Samsung Omnia Pro GT-B7610
Can anybody tell me when the new WM 6.5 will be available for that phone?

If only it had ATT 3g capability, I'd be on it like a flea on a dog...

why not have the guys over at modaco cook up a full fledged HTC rom with manila 2.5/2.6 and other HTC goodies instead of the samsung apps??
i mean all the HTC goodies in a 800MHZ CPU with a dedicated GFX accelerator and a AMOLED screen = PERFECT

mike21pr said:
why not have the guys over at modaco cook up a full fledged HTC rom with manila 2.5/2.6 and other HTC goodies instead of the samsung apps??
i mean all the HTC goodies in a 800MHZ CPU with a dedicated GFX accelerator and a AMOLED screen = PERFECT
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in the words of my favourite film "Chill Winston"
They will, very soon I would imagine. Modaco has been the major source of Omnia I900 roms and I have no doubt it will be so for the new Omnia's.

Most Anticipated phones and why? leo,x2,tegra,n900

Just wondering what phones people are MOST looking forward to seeing soon and if could have now what they would want. My top choices are....
The New Xperia X2 with its 512 Ram (supposed) and 8.1 MP Camera and custom WM 6.5 with upgrade to 7 rumors
http://gizmodo.com/5282146/sony-ericsson-xperia-x2-specs-leaked-and-laid-bare
Or
The New tablet/Smartphone Nokia N900 with its maemo interface including custom mozilla web browser possibly fennec? And The built-in 32 GB storage with Expandable upto 48GB card and only 256 mb ram to power it all. Along with the 5 megapixel camera and TV out
http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/
Or
The Flashy FLuid and Fast tegra powered Tegra APX with probably the nicest ui possible and whats said to put the 1ghz snapdragon processor to shame with Up to 720p video
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_tegra_apx_us.html
http://www.nvidia.com/object/mobile_games_demos.html
Or Last but not least
The rumored HTC Leo with the new snapdragon processor and 1ghz mobile processor and its Hero-ish TF3D 2.6 Rumored 5 MP camera (possibly 8mp??) and 320mb ram
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-leo-specs-leak-4-3-inch-capacitive-wm6-5-snapdragon-smartphone-2149867/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igRA...ovingly-demonstrated/&feature=player_embedded (video of a diamond 2 but it is running the tf3d 2.6 leo is rumored to come with)
My choices lean towards Either the APX or the n900 love the nokia internet tablet series have for years and with mozilla combining with them to take over the internet experiance (although they are workign with windows mobile too) Or the APX just looks so smooth and that eye candy can't be denied only concern is call quality and battery life anything running a processor that powerfull can't last long although rumored for 10 hours.
As far as i know all these phones are rumored to hopefully be release late this year if all goes right is there any updates on release dates i know preorder is out for n900 preorder price of $649 in the us
Anyone have any info on the xperia x3 android phone heard a few things but no info and i don't understand the release of the x3 when x2 isn't out till supposedly early oct this year.
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009...achael-to-launch-as-xperia-x3-specs-revealed/

These all seem nice but I'm definitely going to try the n900 looks very fast and has a very nice looking U.I and I'm waiting impatiently for a tegra based phone

All very impressive...
I'll be getting the HTC Leo due out in a few weeks, and hanging out on XDA for cool mods, roms, etc.

lol..no brainer here. I am getting the N900. No more sony x1 crap and any sony phone for that matter. BAD Customer support...

yep n900 for me too - need a break from winmo, it feels tired now

I´ll choose Leo
As will have the support form this great site

for sure HTC LEO or TEGRA as it is also rumered that HTC will use tegra based chips for later phones... both are great...

im with you im thinking tegra that chip is way beyond ANYTHING else out. Have any of you played with the zune hd? add tons more sensors a keyboard possibly and 3g connection... i can't see anything better personally

anyone news about the Tegra-chipset & HTC?

jimk16 said:
Have any of you played with the zune hd? add tons more sensors a keyboard possibly and 3g connection... i can't see anything better personally
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Zune HD is impressive! But, I have not heard any more rumors on a htc tegra ppc...

When, and what phone!? Wait for 2010?

Isn't it a dilemma to buy a phone now. Constant fear of a better version coming out within a couple of months...
So far, a lot of eyes are on the n900 and the HD2. I am not too much of a fan of the Droid - and the Xperia 10 - well that still has potential.
But then we are expecting some Nvidia Tegra 2 based mobile phones as well - not only promising very good graphics performance for gaming - but good battery life.
Then there is always, albeit quite far off - the chance apple decide to do a decent update to the 3GS (I mean, last 2 years, have only been updates to the 3G, so its about time they do something great this year right? Especially with the huge amount of new technology available).
I am stumped, I mean, I really don't know what to do. Buy the HD2, or the N900 - or wait it out for the new phones Q1 2010, or wait Q2/3 2010.
I am looking for, a laptop replacement to be honest - something I can do my browsing and so fourth on comfortably - go on websites like mini clip without hassle - maybe have good game playability. Also, would like to use it for things like BBC iplayer etc - good video recording/camera - so in a way - it seems n900 seems suitable - but then what knocks you back is that it only has a 600 mhz processor, compared to the 1GHZ processors being available - as well as a couple of other shortcomings. Every phone seems to be missing some things - but I guess no one can expect a perfect phone . Do you think, if I wait for 6 months, I could be looking at a very decent laptop replacing phone? I am, at the moment, worried about the lack of battery life on these upcoming ones - which I hope will be amended in the near future?
I guess I am quite optimistic about the Nvidia Tegra 2 based phone - in fact I am just excited at what the possibilities will be - coming early 2010 - but at the same time - frustration - as everything seems to be getting updated really quickly...
So, what about you guys?

Welcome to forums
Well you can wait forever for the "perfect" device or decide that you can't wait any longer and buy one from the existent ones.
Also will depend on how much $ you wanna spent.
From the actual ones I can recommend:
The best with hardware keyboard: Touch Pro 2
The best with no hardware kb: HD2
Read, Search, Respect and Enjoy!

Welcome to HTC XDA! As orb said, the HD2 & TP2 are the tops now...see their forum sections for detailed info on them...

What is the opinions of xda forumers on the n900? Potentially it could be huge?
One thing that annoys me about HD2 is - that it is too much makeup on 6.5 - if you get my drift? It is like it is trying to be something its not - while other OS's - seem "proper", I know it all sounds weird - I really don't know how to put it. It is like 6.5 has just had a haircut, beard trim etc to try to compete with the other OS's in terms of UI/touch screen compatibility.

Nokia perhaps is a good device but it has EDIT: maemo on it which I don´t really like...
I´ll recommend you an HTC WM device

orb3000 said:
Nokia perhaps is a good device but it has symbian on it which I don´t really like...
I´ll recommend you an HTC WM device
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n900 has Maemo 5 OS.

lolol
@ ma2k5
You wont get any unbiased info from these chaps....
They cant see past the HTC logo......I think Obr3000 gets paid to post sometimes, just posts.
Hi - I buy HTc
Htc
Htc
lolol - I jest - they are all good guys....
Its got worse here over last few years (no I am joking)
Seriously
Touch Pro 2 is a good device for web browsing when using Opera 9.5+ but it is in NO way a next gen device.
But - Opera 10 is now out and available on S60 V5 platform - which is already running on new hardware on devices from samsung and sony... his is a better browsing experience at the moment, it runs OMAP 3 platform with THAT 600MHZ processor you were talking about.
I have a Touch pro 2 and an OMnia HD - side by side the OMnia is faster and smoother when comparing opera builds. Albeit at a lower resolution.....
My touch pro 2 is not quite as good as I expected it to be.
My last HTC device - HTC advantage - bought what, 3 years ago seems to run at a similar pace to this NEW Touch pro 2. Versatile and good to hack but such shabby build, camera sucks cattle, not enough buttons until you open it....
BUT the support from THIS site means that the device is AMAZING!!!!
If it wasnt for XDA dev - the touch pro 2 would just not be viable for me.
The thing to keep in Mind is that Mhz means nothing nowdays.
My Core2Duo on my PC is 2.4 Ghz per core - but each core will still outperform my old P4 3 ghz chip/// as all the buses that transfer the data are many times faster on newer platforms, plus extra tech makes the comparison even less relevant.
What I am saying here is that the 1ghz qualcomm chipies aint going to worry OMAP 3 chips running at 600 + Mhz, performance will be similar.....
Personally, as an owner of many HTC devices AND Nokia AND Samsung Omnia HD if I had the choice now, I would go with the N900 as its new and I think its going to be a killer mature platform
Then again - if I didnt have this touch pro 2 - that can do virtually EVERYTHING I want it to - spotify last fm web ftp full network access - VNC - remote desktop Logme in, Web video downloader, BBC iplayer - My player supporting Hulu channel 4 on demand,
ZENONIA RPG BLISS!!! + all social networking u can do. - Then more than likely I would go for the touch pro 2 again - then look on enviously at the N900.....
The main thing is that I end up carrying another phone for camera and music as this touch pro seems to destroy connectors that convert to 3.5 and its pointless taking shots with it....
I say get a cheaper old Touch pro 1 for the time being (same Hardware as Touch pro 2 just no huge screen) - second hand for what £150 or something......then get a N900 on contract with data connection when your up for upgrade probably for very little $$
Then you will be in tech bliss

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n900 has Maemo 5 OS.
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Thanks for that correction
Anyway my thinking is the same, I´ll stay with WM

The only WM phone I am waiting right now is clamshell type with a powerful processor. I don't care who will make it first, HTC, Sony, Samsung, etc...

Nokia E61i

I am getting it cheap so I am thinking to get it. Perhaps it is quit old now but still not bad to have. I wanna know is this set good to have, does it has any known issue/problem (either hardware or software).
I also want to ask few questions.
1. I am confused what does it mean by Dual ARM 9 220 MHz processor. does it has 2 processors if so then how exactly they work together?
2. What kind of official/unofficial updates I can apply to it? Stock is Symbian OS 9.1, Series 60 v3.0 UI
3. Does the processor support any graphics acceleration e.g ATI Imageon?
4. How is the experience with watching movies?
5. Does it support Office 2007 extension?
6. Does it has Push Email client?
Any other important information will be welcomed too.

As we dedicate mostly to HTC WM/Android devices you won´t get too much attention.
Better to try on one of this forums:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=es&...&cd=2&ved=0CAkQvwUoAQ&&q=nokia+forums&spell=1
Good luck,

alright I'll gve it a go.