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Hi All,
I've been soaking up on all the info on the current WM6 ROMs for G3 Wizards - it's a pretty fast changing situation, for obvious reasons.
Given I've got a WM5 "Mr Clean" ROM plus lots of tinkering on my Wizard, is there a bullet-proof, bug free WM6 ROM that I can replace my existing one with - i.e. one that's not really "beta"? If anyone can name a name of one if it exists, or give a list of tweaks needed to get another working 100% (camera, MMS, wifi, etc) then I'd be very interested!
Cheers
Ric
landwomble said:
Hi All,
I've been soaking up on all the info on the current WM6 ROMs for G3 Wizards - it's a pretty fast changing situation, for obvious reasons.
Given I've got a WM5 "Mr Clean" ROM plus lots of tinkering on my Wizard, is there a bullet-proof, bug free WM6 ROM that I can replace my existing one with - i.e. one that's not really "beta"? If anyone can name a name of one if it exists, or give a list of tweaks needed to get another working 100% (camera, MMS, wifi, etc) then I'd be very interested!
Cheers
Ric
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Depends how much tinkering and bugs / odd behavior you can live with...
Personally the NotTooSmart Vanilla and Faria "the real thing" are the ones I'd put at the top of the current WM6 class. I haven't tried X-Plore's Chocolate-Vanilla but it comes from the same base as the NotTooSmart one (mUn's aRTM which is also very good but has a few bugs that NotTooSmart fixed in his repackaging and the only reason I don't put it in the first list).
I've went back and forth over the last few days trying to decide for myself if messing with WM6 is worth it due to odd behaviors and such. Overall I'm very happy with it, but when odd things happen I get reminded this is all Beta / Bleeding Edge and definetly not final. Luckily with the Faria and NotTooSmart ones, that doesn't happen often. The big draw for me (beyond just the geek factor of running WM6) is how quick these Roms are. Maybe I've gotten used to WM6, but I don't feel there is that much in new features (just stuff moved around more than anything) and part of why I consider possibly going back to AKU 3.3 (which for the time I had it was definetly more stable than even these latest ones, but that gap has shrunk a lot in the last week).
Hope that helps. Best bet is to dig through the huge threads and dive in if you want to try out and play with WM6. Just take a good backup of your current situation so you can get back to that point if you don't like it. Also remember that you will need to rebuild from scratch as you can't restore from WM5 to Wm6 and expect things to work.
mfrazzz said:
Depends how much tinkering and bugs / odd behavior you can live with...
Personally the NotTooSmart Vanilla and Faria "the real thing" are the ones I'd put at the top of the current WM6 class. I haven't tried X-Plore's Chocolate-Vanilla but it comes from the same base as the NotTooSmart one (mUn's aRTM which is also very good but has a few bugs that NotTooSmart fixed in his repackaging and the only reason I don't put it in the first list).
I've went back and forth over the last few days trying to decide for myself if messing with WM6 is worth it due to odd behaviors and such. Overall I'm very happy with it, but when odd things happen I get reminded this is all Beta / Bleeding Edge and definetly not final. Luckily with the Faria and NotTooSmart ones, that doesn't happen often. The big draw for me (beyond just the geek factor of running WM6) is how quick these Roms are. Maybe I've gotten used to WM6, but I don't feel there is that much in new features (just stuff moved around more than anything) and part of why I consider possibly going back to AKU 3.3 (which for the time I had it was definetly more stable than even these latest ones, but that gap has shrunk a lot in the last week).
Hope that helps. Best bet is to dig through the huge threads and dive in if you want to try out and play with WM6. Just take a good backup of your current situation so you can get back to that point if you don't like it. Also remember that you will need to rebuild from scratch as you can't restore from WM5 to Wm6 and expect things to work.
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great post. I'm in the same boat. Been using a treo750 but just picked up a 8125 for $79usd from cingy's premier (refurb). Thought I'd load wm6 and have a play and have it for a backup if needed. Seems like the nottoosmart or faria rom's are the most stable at the moment then. Thanks
mikewchandler said:
great post. I'm in the same boat. Been using a treo750 but just picked up a 8125 for $79usd from cingy's premier (refurb). Thought I'd load wm6 and have a play and have it for a backup if needed. Seems like the nottoosmart or faria rom's are the most stable at the moment then. Thanks
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The Xplore one just came out last night, but the early reviews are all very good it appears, so its worth a look too (supposedly very fast and lots of free RAM, and based off the same mUn rom that the NotTooSmart one came from). I just haven't played with it (not sure if I will or not as its missing apps I use and has stuff I don't use in it so its really not that "vanilla" to me).
I feel terrible for making such a novice post, but I figure better safe than sorry. I have been searching the forum for awhile now trying to find a definitive answer, but I haven't been able to so . . .
What is the best, or most stable release of Windows Mobile 6 available here? There are so many different versions, I just can't tell. Do I use Core 2.0 or Faria's build? WHICH faria build? Or should I choose another?
Sorry for my stupidity, but I would really like to know what to pick before I stick with one.
You're gonna get opinions from different angles, but I'd suggest going with "popularity", which comes down to the latest Faria or Xplore 2.0. There really isn't a definitive answer, just your own experience to guide you.
I'm sure either one is just fine for you, but before starting, READ EVERYTHING a number of times to ensure you understand everything you're about to partake in and possible issues. Regardless of which ROM you use, if you don't understand the basics of flashing a locked or unlocked CID phone, using the bootloader, recovering a botched load, using shelltool and the associated CABS, a registry editor... you get the picture. I'd say go with whichever seems best for you, since you'll probably end up customizing it anyway per your taste and usage. Just get the facts before you start, and hopefully prevent a headache or worse. Both are vanilla, and should be a good choice. Hope this helps.
-Matt
So what is the big difference between Core and Faria's build? I see those as being the two "big" releases. I understand they're both vanilla, which I like, so I can install my own things, but what are the differences between the two?
Dr Other said:
So what is the big difference between Core and Faria's build? I see those as being the two "big" releases. I understand they're both vanilla, which I like, so I can install my own things, but what are the differences between the two?
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My best suggestion would be to compare the inital posts in their threads to see what was added / changed. They both pretty good about listing updates. As far as the base image goes, from what I've found, they all originated from the same source. Maybe someone can correct me if I'm mistaken.
-Matt
I have just recently switched from Faria's rom to Xplore 2.0 and i find xplore much better, i just feel its faster. But really its all just personal opinion. Try em both out, once you get the hand of flashing it isn't really that hard JUST MAKE SURE YOU READ EVERYTHING CAREFULLY!!!. So flash one try it out, then flash the other one and try it out, then choose whichever one you liked best. Some people will say Faria's is better some will say xplore, and some will say other ones. It is really an opinion. Hope this helps
Thank you for the help! That was very prompt! I think I'm going to give Faria's a go, then probably Core 2.0. But before that, one last question -
Is a new build by Faria coming out soon? In his stickied thread about his rom and kitchen, he says "ANYway..... A V3 ROM is coming in days.......this will be a rom and not a RK.... it contains new radio stack,new windows live,new office mobile 12!,bt printing,new voice comand,new shell, etc etc....fixed windows mobile over activesync,fixed com,new default theme...and more."
So is this 'v3 rom' going to be what I want to wait for? Is that a new version of the vanilla, base rom I want? I'm not interested in the kitchen (which I assume is the "rk") but instead just want a clean rom which I can install a few programs on. So, should I wait for this next release?
i've tried both core 2 and faria. I like Faria better. the speed seemed to be the same and it came with everything I need. I'm on core 2 right now and it is missing a few things I want. plus there are a few bugs that bother me. and the MMS isn't working for me like it did in Faria. I work for t-mobile so I know the settings are correct. I'm waiting for the new Faria, I can't wait for that.
I really don't know much about his new ROM, but if you want you can wait, i waited for Xplore 2.0 to come out, but you never know how long you'll have to wait for it, as every new version will have fixes and stuff. If you want to go ahead and wait, it will save you the trouble of having to get all your programs and settings back, but if you really hate the ROM your on now, go ahead and switch, and then update again when the new one comes out. I always wait a couple of days when a new ROM comes out as to see if there are any big problems that people report and get answered that way when i flash it i am ready for the problem and know how to fix it. But thats just my 2 cents. (don't really know when to use this phrase, but i always wanted to say it, sorry if it doesn't make sense. )
What is the best, or most stable release of Windows Mobile 6 available here?
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NBD 5.1 ? ..
its not overloaded, stable as rock, and mem/speed is optimal. just ROM for agerage user, imo.
for people, that are in need for speed and space, theres xplore 2.0, or 1.1, its cleaned from some apps.
this may be good:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305903
As the title really - since HTC and various carriers have now released Official WM6 ROMs for some devices (Hermes, Herald etc), is anyone working on porting one of these over to the Wizard?
The build of the Official Hermes ROM is 5.2.1437 (Build 17944), I am sure a lot of Wizard users would like to see this, me included
Andy
yep..i'd like to see it too
eluth is doing so with the Herald/T-Mo Wing ROM.
nice to hear...
i must ask: what is the point?
to get to land of unstability?
what gain you are predicting....
Nothin, I'm inclined to agree. 15342 is the most stable build I've used yet. The Herald ROM doesn't even have Office 2003, VoIP or even the latest Windows Live. The only advantage I can think of is that the XIP section from the Herald perhaps allows you to pack more into the ROM. This is borne out by the fact that the Herald has the same amount of memory as the Wizard, yet the dump shows up around 135 mb on disk which is way more than the Wizard .nb can handle without thowing an error in build_imgfs.
If anyone can do it, eluth probably can, but I don't think many people will be joining in developing this one. I just lost my Wizard and though I have a brand new one coming , it's probably a G4 and I have a little catching up to do on that end before I can even think of something of this magnitude.
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i must ask: what is the point?
to get to land of unstability?
what gain you are predicting....
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I was thinking to maybe increase stability.....
I agree 15342 is probably the most stable release so far, however up until these official releases everthing so far has been pre-release stuff that has been leaked whether it was originally from a Wizard or not.
I still have issues with 15342, plus a lot of the underlying software is at least a year old. I would just like something new to play with......
Andy
any update if anyone working on the Official Release from HTC for Hermes / Dopod 838 pro / etc?
It is nice if we can feel the stability of this official release. Thanks.
Does anybody have a link to an extracted version of one of these roms? By extracted, I mean the actual files and rgu's.
This is what I am running on my Wizard and in my opinion, it is by far the best and fastest. No problems, Microsoft voice command is built in and works perfect. WiFi connects without a hitch, Bluetooth pairs and stays connected.....It is missing MMS and has office 2003. If you need MMS, there are many versions posted that you can add.
http://rapidshare.com/users/T4RZX2
the file to download is nk.nbf:
http://rapidshare.com/files/36233948/nk.nbf
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any update if anyone working on the Official Release from HTC for Hermes / Dopod 838 pro / etc?
It is nice if we can feel the stability of this official release. Thanks.
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I think you are dreaming. You are talking about rting a rom from one device (yes where it is stable) to another, then grafting drivers for the wizard onto it plus whatever else it will take/need and then you think it will be stable? 15431 and 15432 only became stable through lots of work and trial and error. I'm still not convinced they are any more stable thann the "official" 318 rom (and that isn't as stable as it was originally due to the updating and grafting done in most of those).
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for porting, but don't expect a stable rom on one device to keep the stability on another device.
BTW: I still think a lot of the newer WM6 builds have nothing new in them other than support for newer hardware or specifics for a carrier.
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I think you are dreaming. You are talking about rting a rom from one device (yes where it is stable) to another, then grafting drivers for the wizard onto it plus whatever else it will take/need and then you think it will be stable? 15431 and 15432 only became stable through lots of work and trial and error. I'm still not convinced they are any more stable thann the "official" 318 rom (and that isn't as stable as it was originally due to the updating and grafting done in most of those).
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for porting, but don't expect a stable rom on one device to keep the stability on another device.
BTW: I still think a lot of the newer WM6 builds have nothing new in them other than support for newer hardware or specifics for a carrier.
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Ok, thanx for the advice. I am too, currently stick to the clean Official wizard ROM, which found to be most stable and fast. Though, I have tested a lot of ROM out there.
I don't know how well a ROM from another device would work on ours but over in the Hermes corner which might be the brother of ours. Cingular calls ours the 8125 and the Hermes 8525. They have a new OFFICIAL AT&T Windows Mobile 6 Rom that has them all shook up. There have been 20 pages of posts in 2 days.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317339
it's nothing special...basically what we already had, but with all the cingular add-on stuff... like Push to Talk and stuff... and it's bloated to death...lol..
What was the release date?
7/10/07 .. it wasnt officially released, it's a leak... but thats the ROM date .. came with a new RADIO too 1.48..
Sounds good, much newer than the one over here. Good luck with it.
The only thing that i like about it is the fact that i can now have wm6 with a working PTT
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This is what I am running on my Wizard
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Does it expose any problems at all?
I guess you must have done a lot of registry fixes, right? I mean, Hermes uses different driver stacks (I assume) and most probably they require different settings, which are device specific..
I would really try this out (especially because it solves the BT re-pairing problem), but firstly I wanted to make sure it is of minor risk and to understand what might be the time investment to get it to work.
Im back to wm5 for right now till i can figure this out. Having a few issues with wm6 atm so, until i see you again, anyone know the major differences between these, or is it just being the latest and greatest?
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Im back to wm5 for right now till i can figure this out. Having a few issues with wm6 atm so, until i see you again, anyone know the major differences between these, or is it just being the latest and greatest?
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I haven't tried any 413 ROMs but I know 318 has the issue with the missed calls while GPRS is on (showing up as 1 second received calls instead of missed calls), but other than that I think its just being the latest and greatest!
i recall reading somewhere...that the 318 was a wizard rom (extracted from ingenetics)...while the 413 was a port over from some other phone...hence the small bugs.
...i think it use to be mentioned the core kitchen thread...when both roms were posted for cooking...but now it's only 318...
mfrazz does a more detailed explanation in the third post of this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316447
1413 was a cross breed of sorts. i personally like it better for other reasons. it has a newer office 2007 build that enables me to delete items from imap mail. IMO its also a faster build
what issues are you having with 1413?
It looks like we've reached our limits with our Wizards when it comes to custom roms... Since the roms are limited to pretty much freeware only there is only so much that can be done to a rom before it is released and it doesn't look to me like there is a whole lot more that can be done...
I have looked at and tested 3 different roms in the last 3 days:
TNT5.0
BlackDiamond 2.0
octaivoi's wizard 4.8
Except for small, minor, subtle differences that aren't really noticible unless you're looking for them like settings and tweaks and what not, these 3 roms are almost exactly the same performance, appearance, and software wise...
Does anybody else see this?
AGREED for sure, once all the bugs and problems are sorted out there really isnt much to go for...until windows mobile 7.0 comes out...
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AGREED for sure, once all the bugs and problems are sorted out there really isnt much to go for...until windows mobile 7.0 comes out...
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Haha I hear that. I hope it comes out sooner than later but I'm not so sure it could really be that much different than WM5 or WM6 since WM6 wasn't really that different from WM5 anyway other than software updates and a few new settings...
I think that WM7 should be ground breaking... Totally different from anything already out there. If WM7 is nothing more than WM6 with minor software updates, then I will be very dissapointed... They need to do something totally out there and innovative, like a new interface and different setup. The only real problem is WM6 was made at relatively the same time as WM5 so once base roms were leaked, people all over started building their own versions of it.
Since WM7 is still a year away from being released, it might be hard to find a WM7 base rom that is compatible with the Wizard and operate on the limited system specs of the Wizard...
Thats just my opinion.
"Since WM7 is still a year away from being released, it might be hard to find a WM7 base rom that is compatible with the Wizard and operate on the limited system specs of the Wizard... "
so there is a wm7...hmmm... knowing ms...it will be tweaks and more vista like...ai ai ai... a better browser..maybe deepfish, see thru windows... but by then the wizard wont be able to use it due to its processor... there will be a ghz processor... they should really drop the whole windows mobile experience altogether imho... do something totally new... our cookers are better tweakers than what ms has... ..
i will try the tnt new one coming out...looks promising with all the issues about missed calls and what not... then just wait for more..i guess..
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"Since WM7 is still a year away from being released, it might be hard to find a WM7 base rom that is compatible with the Wizard and operate on the limited system specs of the Wizard... "
so there is a wm7...hmmm... knowing ms...it will be tweaks and more vista like...ai ai ai... a better browser..maybe deepfish, see thru windows... but by then the wizard wont be able to use it due to its processor... there will be a ghz processor... they should really drop the whole windows mobile experience altogether imho... do something totally new... our cookers are better tweakers than what ms has... ..
i will try the tnt new one coming out...looks promising with all the issues about missed calls and what not... then just wait for more..i guess..
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Yes the new WM7 is actually Windows Mobile Photon based on Windows Mobile 6.0 Professional and is supposedly supposed to work on all devices according to a leak from MS but I doubt it...
If you want to try TNT5.0, you should give this version a try. It's my personally modified version to have custom splash screens and 2.19 radio plus a 12mb page pool. http://www.filefactory.com/file/ee7e74/
Consider this
Before Touch Flow arrived, some people had the same thoughts as you, "have we reached the limit". Then Touch Flow arrived and we had a large burst of new stuff for the wizard.
You say: Ok, Calouro, what's your point, I don't even like Touch Flow.
Well, it doesn’t really matter if you like touch flow or not, the point is, when a new PPC comes out with a new look or new applications, we hare at XDA get excited and we grab them and make it work on a now aging device.
You say: ok, ok, I see your point Calouro, but really, your talking about just looks and applications, how about stability and performance.
Well, I'm glad you asked. You see, WM5 is the last official ROM for the Wizard. The reason you have WM6 running is due to the dedicated and talented people from all over the word, combining knowledge and experience (most of the time with out pay) to make something work on a device that it was not designed to work on.
You say: Ok, your point Calouro
Ok, I'm getting there. You see, when WM6 first came to the Wizard, it was very unstable. Well, that was a while ago, now we have an almost 100% stable, high performance (usually higher then WM5) WM6 ROM. Now, we still a few issues to resolve on WM6 don't get me wrong. However, we are moving forward with each ROM release.
You say: I understand what your saying Calouro, but show me proof
Well, here is the proof, every WM6 ROM had missed call issues since first introduced to the Wizard. A few talented XDA members looked into this and discovered that with a simple reg tweak the issue is fixed on one particular ROM build. So, now we can take that knowledge and try to get the issue fixed on all ROM builds. Furthermore, there is another issue with the vibrate function after you command the device out of vibrate. This appears to be fixed on the latest ROM release here.
You say: Ok, Calouro, so we are fixing bugs. Great, what else?
Well, as we get WM6 100% stable, which by the way, has only just been released to the public on newer devices, we will continue to grab cool applications from other devices to keep our Wizards at the top. I can’t afford to buy a new PPC every time a new one comes out with a new OS.
You say: Great! Anything else Calouro? Are you done yet?
Almost! When WM7 comes out, most people will say it can't be run on a Wizard, others will say the Wizard has reached its limit. I disagree, some very talented XDA member will grab it, dissect it and trim it down. Then put it all back together and make in run on a Wizard.
words of wisdom !
regardless of wm7, i doubt the members of rom flashers anonymous are gonna stop flashing 5 times a day hack it, its just fun. we're always going to look for the best release... there's no end to improvement...
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Before Touch Flow arrived, some people had the same thoughts as you, "have we reached the limit". Then Touch Flow arrived and we had a large burst of new stuff for the wizard.
You say: Ok, Calouro, what's your point, I don't even like Touch Flow.
Well, it doesn’t really matter if you like touch flow or not, the point is, when a new PPC comes out with a new look or new applications, we hare at XDA get excited and we grab them and make it work on a now aging device.
You say: ok, ok, I see your point Calouro, but really, your talking about just looks and applications, how about stability and performance.
Well, I'm glad you asked. You see, WM5 is the last official ROM for the Wizard. The reason you have WM6 running is due to the dedicated and talented people from all over the word, combining knowledge and experience (most of the time with out pay) to make something work on a device that it was not designed to work on.
You say: Ok, your point Calouro
Ok, I'm getting there. You see, when WM6 first came to the Wizard, it was very unstable. Well, that was a while ago, now we have an almost 100% stable, high performance (usually higher then WM5) WM6 ROM. Now, we still a few issues to resolve on WM6 don't get me wrong. However, we are moving forward with each ROM release.
You say: I understand what your saying Calouro, but show me proof
Well, here is the proof, every WM6 ROM had missed call issues since first introduced to the Wizard. A few talented XDA members looked into this and discovered that with a simple reg tweak the issue is fixed on one particular ROM build. So, now we can take that knowledge and try to get the issue fixed on all ROM builds. Furthermore, there is another issue with the vibrate function after you command the device out of vibrate. This appears to be fixed on the latest ROM release here.
You say: Ok, Calouro, so we are fixing bugs. Great, what else?
Well, as we get WM6 100% stable, which by the way, has only just been released to the public on newer devices, we will continue to grab cool applications from other devices to keep our Wizards at the top. I can’t afford to buy a new PPC every time a new one comes out with a new OS.
You say: Great! Anything else Calouro? Are you done yet?
Almost! When WM7 comes out, most people will say it can't be run on a Wizard, others will say the Wizard has reached its limit. I disagree, some very talented XDA member will grab it, trim it down and dissect it. Then put it all back together and make in run on a Wizard.
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Lol. Nicely put. Very true too...
I was going to buy a new HTC. then i upgraded to TNO WM6 rom. and its alot faster. And i dont see any significant reason to upgrade to a new phone.
well for expectators like me, i thank the guru's of this site, for a job very well done, and for future jobs as well, and calouro just placed the period on this thread. long live the wizard
i dont about you guys but crossbow was/is fun as hell to chop up & stir fry
WM7 (Photon) will only be a new toy come Christmas 08 (maybe eariler but im betting on Q4 08)
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i dont about you guys but crossbow was/is fun as hell to chop up & stir fry
WM7 (Photon) will only be a new toy come Christmas 08 (maybe eariler but im betting on Q4 08)
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with wm7, i bet it will support html email for exchange 2003! hopefully there will be something to support the smart in smartphone
All True
calouro said:
Before Touch Flow arrived, some people had the same thoughts as you, "have we reached the limit". Then Touch Flow arrived and we had a large burst of new stuff for the wizard.
You say: Ok, Calouro, what's your point, I don't even like Touch Flow.
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Almost! When WM7 comes out, most people will say it can't be run on a Wizard, others will say the Wizard has reached its limit. I disagree, some very talented XDA member will grab it, dissect it and trim it down. Then put it all back together and make in run on a Wizard.
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Wanted to add this.
Not so much just for fun. You call your service provider they will not support the new rom. They will not even offer it at all ( they want your money).
Two of my friend got inspired with what all I can do with my Wizard they bought new ones. The default ROM was too slow that the device was almost useless.
Our modified ROMs atleast help them to use the phone ( ROI). One can by iPhone and let Steve choose what all you can do with that $800 investment.
Dont know if any of you remember but Microsoft is working on those live enabled phones. Trying to establish that Live Anywhere concept theyve been starting up.
Im waiting for WM6.1
Opps, should I have mentioned that?
Yes apparently MS are about to release 6.1 next month.
It is supposed to be a completely new file structre (or so I'm told)
We will see
I will buy a new one two, the speed of Wizzard is somewhat intolerable
for me, it didn't reach the limits.
wizards
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my first phone was a wizard , after that an universal and an elf but i bought a wizard once again because it is the most updated and popular device to hack here on xda, i dont do this to get a better device but it is my hobby.
everytime there is a minor little update i will dll and install it
about wm7 :
did anyone noticed that the speed of devices like the wizard did not improve very much (except universal , but came with the price), althoug my wizard boots up a lot faster. I dont think that we cannot run it on a wizard , maybe with a adjusted version of it
i love my wizard and i hope that all the people (dr dot, etc) will keep on upgrading the roms
PS : thnx to all the xda developers
greets
grey
I couldn.t agree with you more. I also do this just to kep busy.I have a Hermes and I use my wizard as my main phone. I going to buy a Kaiser, i just hope it lives up to it's reputation??
Im waiting for WM6.1
I think that is active sync 6.1 as I think it is still in beta.