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Hi All,
I've been soaking up on all the info on the current WM6 ROMs for G3 Wizards - it's a pretty fast changing situation, for obvious reasons.
Given I've got a WM5 "Mr Clean" ROM plus lots of tinkering on my Wizard, is there a bullet-proof, bug free WM6 ROM that I can replace my existing one with - i.e. one that's not really "beta"? If anyone can name a name of one if it exists, or give a list of tweaks needed to get another working 100% (camera, MMS, wifi, etc) then I'd be very interested!
Cheers
Ric
landwomble said:
Hi All,
I've been soaking up on all the info on the current WM6 ROMs for G3 Wizards - it's a pretty fast changing situation, for obvious reasons.
Given I've got a WM5 "Mr Clean" ROM plus lots of tinkering on my Wizard, is there a bullet-proof, bug free WM6 ROM that I can replace my existing one with - i.e. one that's not really "beta"? If anyone can name a name of one if it exists, or give a list of tweaks needed to get another working 100% (camera, MMS, wifi, etc) then I'd be very interested!
Cheers
Ric
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Depends how much tinkering and bugs / odd behavior you can live with...
Personally the NotTooSmart Vanilla and Faria "the real thing" are the ones I'd put at the top of the current WM6 class. I haven't tried X-Plore's Chocolate-Vanilla but it comes from the same base as the NotTooSmart one (mUn's aRTM which is also very good but has a few bugs that NotTooSmart fixed in his repackaging and the only reason I don't put it in the first list).
I've went back and forth over the last few days trying to decide for myself if messing with WM6 is worth it due to odd behaviors and such. Overall I'm very happy with it, but when odd things happen I get reminded this is all Beta / Bleeding Edge and definetly not final. Luckily with the Faria and NotTooSmart ones, that doesn't happen often. The big draw for me (beyond just the geek factor of running WM6) is how quick these Roms are. Maybe I've gotten used to WM6, but I don't feel there is that much in new features (just stuff moved around more than anything) and part of why I consider possibly going back to AKU 3.3 (which for the time I had it was definetly more stable than even these latest ones, but that gap has shrunk a lot in the last week).
Hope that helps. Best bet is to dig through the huge threads and dive in if you want to try out and play with WM6. Just take a good backup of your current situation so you can get back to that point if you don't like it. Also remember that you will need to rebuild from scratch as you can't restore from WM5 to Wm6 and expect things to work.
mfrazzz said:
Depends how much tinkering and bugs / odd behavior you can live with...
Personally the NotTooSmart Vanilla and Faria "the real thing" are the ones I'd put at the top of the current WM6 class. I haven't tried X-Plore's Chocolate-Vanilla but it comes from the same base as the NotTooSmart one (mUn's aRTM which is also very good but has a few bugs that NotTooSmart fixed in his repackaging and the only reason I don't put it in the first list).
I've went back and forth over the last few days trying to decide for myself if messing with WM6 is worth it due to odd behaviors and such. Overall I'm very happy with it, but when odd things happen I get reminded this is all Beta / Bleeding Edge and definetly not final. Luckily with the Faria and NotTooSmart ones, that doesn't happen often. The big draw for me (beyond just the geek factor of running WM6) is how quick these Roms are. Maybe I've gotten used to WM6, but I don't feel there is that much in new features (just stuff moved around more than anything) and part of why I consider possibly going back to AKU 3.3 (which for the time I had it was definetly more stable than even these latest ones, but that gap has shrunk a lot in the last week).
Hope that helps. Best bet is to dig through the huge threads and dive in if you want to try out and play with WM6. Just take a good backup of your current situation so you can get back to that point if you don't like it. Also remember that you will need to rebuild from scratch as you can't restore from WM5 to Wm6 and expect things to work.
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great post. I'm in the same boat. Been using a treo750 but just picked up a 8125 for $79usd from cingy's premier (refurb). Thought I'd load wm6 and have a play and have it for a backup if needed. Seems like the nottoosmart or faria rom's are the most stable at the moment then. Thanks
mikewchandler said:
great post. I'm in the same boat. Been using a treo750 but just picked up a 8125 for $79usd from cingy's premier (refurb). Thought I'd load wm6 and have a play and have it for a backup if needed. Seems like the nottoosmart or faria rom's are the most stable at the moment then. Thanks
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The Xplore one just came out last night, but the early reviews are all very good it appears, so its worth a look too (supposedly very fast and lots of free RAM, and based off the same mUn rom that the NotTooSmart one came from). I just haven't played with it (not sure if I will or not as its missing apps I use and has stuff I don't use in it so its really not that "vanilla" to me).
I'm getting fed up with the WM6 frivalousnous. I believe i should go back to WM5 now. I really want Windows Live though. Is there any type of cab to get Windows Live on the MDA? I searched but came up with nothing. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Maydwell said:
I'm getting fed up with the WM6 frivalousnous. I believe i should go back to WM5 now. I really want Windows Live though. Is there any type of cab to get Windows Live on the MDA? I searched but came up with nothing. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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If you dislike WM6 sooo much, then try posting in the appropriate forum NOT the WM6 forum. You'll probably get better reception without "frivaless" comments...
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Maydwell said:
I'm getting fed up with the WM6 frivalousnous. I believe i should go back to WM5 now. I really want Windows Live though. Is there any type of cab to get Windows Live on the MDA? I searched but came up with nothing. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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Yes u can download it here is the link:
http://mahmood1.com/Documents/windowsLive_PPC2005_ARM.CAB
http://mahmood1.com/free_softwares_for_windows_mobile_pocket_pc.aspx
thanks mahmood
but i realized that i'd be a fool to go back to WM5 anyways. So i'm content again,LoL
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If you dislike WM6 sooo much, then try posting in the appropriate forum NOT the WM6 forum. You'll probably get better reception without "frivaless" comments...
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He's asking for a WM6 feature, therefore, he did post in the right forum.
P.S. WM6 does appear to suck nuts... GPRS disconnect issue trumps all of its benefits.
herzzreh said:
He's asking for a WM6 feature, therefore, he did post in the right forum.
P.S. WM6 does appear to suck nuts... GPRS disconnect issue trumps all of its benefits.
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Odd... my device and the 18 or so of my client's that are running Faria's latest (not the vanilla) are estatic, very few issues. Must just be us...
herzzreh said:
P.S. WM6 does appear to suck nuts... GPRS disconnect issue trumps all of its benefits.
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Not too sure I agree with you on that, but that's a matter of personal preference, I suppose. I've had three different versions of WM6 on my 8125 in the past couple of months -- first the MB, then the Underground, and now Faria's. I have to say I've been happy with all three. The only reason I keep changing is for more RAM. (I like having LOTS of RAM -- LOL!!)
I haven't experienced the GPRS disconnect issue with ANY of the three and my internet gets a GOOD workout on a daily basis with tethering, emails and apps that update via the internet throughout the day. In fact, any problems I've had with any of them have had to do with "Button Actuator Deficit" (i.e. user error)
I for one can honestly say that I'll NEVER go back to WM5. . . even though all the chefs on here did a FABULOUS job of cooking them up for us -- WM6 Rocks!!!
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Odd... my device and the 18 or so of my client's that are running Faria's latest (not the vanilla) are estatic, very few issues. Must just be us...
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Although I don't think it's as bad as herzzreh says, it (WM6) definitely does have problems for some devices. 2.19 didn't consistently fix the GRPS drop problem for me - it worked intermittently. I also randomly got 'Phone not ready - wait 15 seconds' (or words to that effect) when trying to send SMS messages. Those issues combined with the poor reception of the 2.19 radio (compared to 2.61) mean't it wasn't worth the hassle for the few extra features WM6 gives.
cheers,
Andrew
Dr Puttingham said:
Odd... my device and the 18 or so of my client's that are running Faria's latest (not the vanilla) are estatic, very few issues. Must just be us...
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Who knows? Mine had 0 issues, except for this annoying GPRS disconnect issue, evne with 2.19 radio. If not for this, I'd be all over about using faria's WM6 rom.
BTW, thanks for the link to 3.3 rom!
you guys might be on to something
Maybe i've been out of the loop for a while but i have the MB version of WM6. I was wondering if i should stick with this version or maybe jump to a newer version. I've seen the other version's however don't feel confident that it would solve issues dealing with MB version. I really wouldn't want to jump to another rom just to find out i have the same issues. Only issues i still currently have are the GPRS and WIFI not staying strong after i connect(more so WIFI than GPRS). The WIFI connects and is ok one minute than says "connecting" the next minute. Anyhow,i appreciate all comments either bad or good on this thread. It certainly opened my eyes to some other issues.
herzzreh said:
Who knows? Mine had 0 issues, except for this annoying GPRS disconnect issue, evne with 2.19 radio. If not for this, I'd be all over about using faria's WM6 rom.
BTW, thanks for the link to 3.3 rom!
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I am not even having the GPRS disco problem. I am using the 2.47.11 radio.
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Maybe i've been out of the loop for a while but i have the MB version of WM6. I was wondering if i should stick with this version or maybe jump to a newer version. I've seen the other version's however don't feel confident that it would solve issues dealing with MB version. I really wouldn't want to jump to another rom just to find out i have the same issues. Only issues i still currently have are the GPRS and WIFI not staying strong after i connect(more so WIFI than GPRS). The WIFI connects and is ok one minute than says "connecting" the next minute. Anyhow,i appreciate all comments either bad or good on this thread. It certainly opened my eyes to some other issues.
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Your call really. If you have MBE tweaked out and all and its working good, then it is a good ROM (I liked it). But for me WiFi on it never worked right. Wifi just works (no issues) on Faria's or NotTooSmart's (which is what I'm on now). Plus you have more memory and there is no soft key lag (that I had on MBE). I've heard others complain about other things in the newer roms, so it really depends on what you use if its worth it. Definetly get a good backup of MBE if you decide to switch as you may want to restore back to good settings if you don't like the newer roms.
Personally I'm waiting for Faria's Vanilla to test out the ability to use 2.61 Radio since he's putting in the AKU 3.3 comm stack. If that works, that will be fantastic!
Leaving WM6
I almost left WM6, but I changed my mind... what did it? The Nottosmart vanilla
I had tried Faria and MB, and was having connectivity reliability issues with both of them. Now I can put up with device instability (it is Windows after all ) if I am trying to run programs, browse the internet, or do other stuff, but when it comes to the phone and e-mail capabilities I just need it to work.
I hadn't had any problems with WM5 from the first summitter ROM I tried, to unluckywivesclub, and multiple Faria and Molski variations as well. What I think I discovered is that quite honestly, different handsets act differently, even with the same setups! This may not be logical, but we are talking about computers here.
Anyway, I had actually gone back to Faria's 3.3 when nottosmart's vanilla came out. it was a weekend so I figured I would flash it, hate it over the weekend, and put WM5 back by Monday.
Well my phone has never worked or looked better. I have no GPRS reconnection issues (and I am running 2.47 radio!!!) and I honestly see myself sticking with this for quite a while. I want to see faria's vanilla since the man is so damn talented and to see what the variations are to my current (but basically vanilla is vanilla, right?) and since what I have works I probably won't change.
Will this work for you? I have no idea. I have a few programs & tweaks installed but not a lot. For all I know I am one program away from a meltdown, but for now I am a VERY happy camper.
Dr Puttingham said:
Odd... my device and the 18 or so of my client's that are running Faria's latest (not the vanilla) are estatic, very few issues. Must just be us...
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You and your clients need to try X-plore wm6, you guys will be beyond ecstatic then. no issues what so ever. The speed and amount of free memory is mind bogling
MrBurrito said:
You and your clients need to try X-plore wm6, you guys will be beyond ecstatic then. no issues what so ever. The speed and amount of free memory is mind bogling
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The X-plore's a good ROM no doubt. It DOES have a few issues, all ROM's do, even carrier stock ROM's.
Faria's is the most stable over time that I've installed however, it just works
And it was originally a Wizard ROM and not ported...
(Please understand that I've been running various renditions of his present ROM for the past several months that weren't made available to the masses..)
And everyone talks about free RAM....just how much RAM does one need ?????
the download page windows live cab
hi guys , check this out there is a windows live cab file to download and ist no trial and no beta
http://www.ppc-phones.de/punforum/viewtopic.php?pid=47040
greets , tmobilemda
ps: sorry for my english , i am german
there is another link for the windowslive cab file nobeta notrial and there are cabs for smartphone and ppc
http://www.ppc-phones.de/punforum/viewtopic.php?pid=47815#p47815
As the title really - since HTC and various carriers have now released Official WM6 ROMs for some devices (Hermes, Herald etc), is anyone working on porting one of these over to the Wizard?
The build of the Official Hermes ROM is 5.2.1437 (Build 17944), I am sure a lot of Wizard users would like to see this, me included
Andy
yep..i'd like to see it too
eluth is doing so with the Herald/T-Mo Wing ROM.
nice to hear...
i must ask: what is the point?
to get to land of unstability?
what gain you are predicting....
Nothin, I'm inclined to agree. 15342 is the most stable build I've used yet. The Herald ROM doesn't even have Office 2003, VoIP or even the latest Windows Live. The only advantage I can think of is that the XIP section from the Herald perhaps allows you to pack more into the ROM. This is borne out by the fact that the Herald has the same amount of memory as the Wizard, yet the dump shows up around 135 mb on disk which is way more than the Wizard .nb can handle without thowing an error in build_imgfs.
If anyone can do it, eluth probably can, but I don't think many people will be joining in developing this one. I just lost my Wizard and though I have a brand new one coming , it's probably a G4 and I have a little catching up to do on that end before I can even think of something of this magnitude.
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i must ask: what is the point?
to get to land of unstability?
what gain you are predicting....
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I was thinking to maybe increase stability.....
I agree 15342 is probably the most stable release so far, however up until these official releases everthing so far has been pre-release stuff that has been leaked whether it was originally from a Wizard or not.
I still have issues with 15342, plus a lot of the underlying software is at least a year old. I would just like something new to play with......
Andy
any update if anyone working on the Official Release from HTC for Hermes / Dopod 838 pro / etc?
It is nice if we can feel the stability of this official release. Thanks.
Does anybody have a link to an extracted version of one of these roms? By extracted, I mean the actual files and rgu's.
This is what I am running on my Wizard and in my opinion, it is by far the best and fastest. No problems, Microsoft voice command is built in and works perfect. WiFi connects without a hitch, Bluetooth pairs and stays connected.....It is missing MMS and has office 2003. If you need MMS, there are many versions posted that you can add.
http://rapidshare.com/users/T4RZX2
the file to download is nk.nbf:
http://rapidshare.com/files/36233948/nk.nbf
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any update if anyone working on the Official Release from HTC for Hermes / Dopod 838 pro / etc?
It is nice if we can feel the stability of this official release. Thanks.
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I think you are dreaming. You are talking about rting a rom from one device (yes where it is stable) to another, then grafting drivers for the wizard onto it plus whatever else it will take/need and then you think it will be stable? 15431 and 15432 only became stable through lots of work and trial and error. I'm still not convinced they are any more stable thann the "official" 318 rom (and that isn't as stable as it was originally due to the updating and grafting done in most of those).
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for porting, but don't expect a stable rom on one device to keep the stability on another device.
BTW: I still think a lot of the newer WM6 builds have nothing new in them other than support for newer hardware or specifics for a carrier.
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I think you are dreaming. You are talking about rting a rom from one device (yes where it is stable) to another, then grafting drivers for the wizard onto it plus whatever else it will take/need and then you think it will be stable? 15431 and 15432 only became stable through lots of work and trial and error. I'm still not convinced they are any more stable thann the "official" 318 rom (and that isn't as stable as it was originally due to the updating and grafting done in most of those).
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for porting, but don't expect a stable rom on one device to keep the stability on another device.
BTW: I still think a lot of the newer WM6 builds have nothing new in them other than support for newer hardware or specifics for a carrier.
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Ok, thanx for the advice. I am too, currently stick to the clean Official wizard ROM, which found to be most stable and fast. Though, I have tested a lot of ROM out there.
I don't know how well a ROM from another device would work on ours but over in the Hermes corner which might be the brother of ours. Cingular calls ours the 8125 and the Hermes 8525. They have a new OFFICIAL AT&T Windows Mobile 6 Rom that has them all shook up. There have been 20 pages of posts in 2 days.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317339
it's nothing special...basically what we already had, but with all the cingular add-on stuff... like Push to Talk and stuff... and it's bloated to death...lol..
What was the release date?
7/10/07 .. it wasnt officially released, it's a leak... but thats the ROM date .. came with a new RADIO too 1.48..
Sounds good, much newer than the one over here. Good luck with it.
The only thing that i like about it is the fact that i can now have wm6 with a working PTT
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This is what I am running on my Wizard
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Does it expose any problems at all?
I guess you must have done a lot of registry fixes, right? I mean, Hermes uses different driver stacks (I assume) and most probably they require different settings, which are device specific..
I would really try this out (especially because it solves the BT re-pairing problem), but firstly I wanted to make sure it is of minor risk and to understand what might be the time investment to get it to work.
I have been adding/deleting features and programs in the new 19202 build that NoThrills has so graciously released to us.
Due to it kaiser designed base, giving it amazing speed(even in complete stock form), I was curious as to how many people would like a cooked version released, with some bug fixes, registry tweaks, and also some added utilities.
If you would like this, please respond letting me know what you would like to see in this release. I have already cooked several versions for my own person use, and modified it for my own use.
Just let me know what everyone would like to see, and ill try my best to release a few builds to accommodate the majority.
First Release of my Hybrid OS 5.2.19202 (Build 19209) can be found here after I upload: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2069244#post2069244
Yes please!
I'd love to see the basic ROM with bug fixes and generic updates to the HTC progs. To many ROMs get stuffed with extraneous crap that isn't useful.
Cook away brother, as I'd enjoy the sampling.
I do not think this is a good build to cook from unless you feel like spending lots of time in the kitchen fixing MS screw ups! Has anyone noticed the screen tearing from the new .dlls? plus there are a few other things I won't mention since most of you haven't played with roms that long to understand what I am talking about.
What specifics would you like to see?
Such as apps to be added/removed
What bugs do you think should have priority?
etc, etc...
uDK just released a version...
I'd like to see a "If HTC could be bothered to put all the fixes and S/W updates in all one ROM, This is how it would look ROM"
Camera Fix
Camera Album
Comm Manager
Video Dialer
Calculator
Little fixes like backlight going out on call.
Removing of the useless Windows Update.
But most Important its clean!!! Fresh...
UC compliant for all us to enjoy the phone our way...
I like flashing other peoples work... But thats their work... The way they want the phone... Yes they add little bits and take bits out on request sometimes... But how nice would it be to have our own way...
Argh 1st post other than just a thanks so I babbled and lost my self...
Thanks for your suggestions. I am working on these fixes as I type.
So far I have completed this:
- Working Video Dialer
- Comm Manager(6 Button)
- Latest HTC Album
- Camera Fix(Latest which i have seen)... PLEASE post the cab that contains which fix you are speaking of.
- Calculator
- GPS Test
- Office and OneNote has been removed in the lite version
- Welcome Center removed
- HSDPA Icon added
- HTC Plus added(disabled by default)
- HTC Home updated(now with tab under today settings)
- And more!
all the latest htc apps.....audio manager,home,album etc.....plus total comander is a must...thanks
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I do not think this is a good build to cook from unless you feel like spending lots of time in the kitchen fixing MS screw ups! Has anyone noticed the screen tearing from the new .dlls? plus there are a few other things I won't mention since most of you haven't played with roms that long to understand what I am talking about.
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because your soooooo cool.
why not just rls ur own build? you did great work with the first kaiser rom.. continue austin..
why not release it? because it takes more time than it should to turn these WM6.1 pigs into something worth having on my phone I have worked many roms and this is fast yes I'll agree but it also has some major bugs simply follow the release thread and you will see. plus this build isn't released from MS it has been modded in some little ways which are fine with me since that's what needed to be done so as we wouldn't know where it came from.
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plus this build isn't released from MS it has been modded in some little ways which are fine with me since that's what needed to be done so as we wouldn't know where it came from.
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Exactly. For some reason we are unable to get the "Shipped ROM" per say. The non-cooked version.
...the fact that this thread header is asking what we would like in a cooked build, is actually false. The only 5.2.19202 we have is a cooked build. I would like to a see a non-cooked build
im running dk's 3.14 and jesus its the fastest 6.1 rom ive ran to date.. ok well whenever u decide to mod ur own 3.14 rls will u post it? lol
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im running dk's 3.14 and jesus its the fastest 6.1 rom ive ran to date.. ok well whenever u decide to mod ur own 3.14 rls will u post it? lol
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Oh no...I don't cook. I can't handle the heat so I stay out of the kitchen. I leave to the professionals.
IGO2008
YES, I wont this new ROM
Please check to work with igo2008, now I mast reset device to start igo this is not good.
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Oh no...I don't cook. I can't handle the heat so I stay out of the kitchen. I leave to the professionals.
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noo.. i was refering to austinsync lol
htc large start menu that works......working tcmp if possible? better looking icons and system folders(u know mulitmedia ,system tools etc.)
cuboosh said:
im running dk's 3.14 and jesus its the fastest 6.1 rom ive ran to date.. ok well whenever u decide to mod ur own 3.14 rls will u post it? lol
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yes I will release it. im already running a version that I've already modded for my own personal needs. I just am trying to see what will the majority of users would like to see
Script said:
yes I will release it. im already running a version that I've already modded for my own personal needs. I just am trying to see what will the majority of users would like to see
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Can you add a skype fix to your bug list please.
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Exactly. For some reason we are unable to get the "Shipped ROM" per say. The non-cooked version.
...the fact that this thread header is asking what we would like in a cooked build, is actually false. The only 5.2.19202 we have is a cooked build. I would like to a see a non-cooked build
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Well, I'm not a professional cook. But I flashed about every ROM that was ever out here, both on my Hermes and my Kaiser.
And despite of your reactions, AllTheWay and Austinsnyc, I really really dig this ROM. Never had a faster and snappier ROM before (even not Dutty's), no single freeze for 4 days, never needed to softreset.
I don't use voicecommander, but I dó use bluetooth (carkit, external phone), GPRS, HSDPA, phone, TomTom, Navigon, PointUI, PZPTools, etc. It all works great!
Yes, there are some problems reported, but aren't they also with Dutty's, Schaps, Alex's?
And yes, it may be a cooked ROM, but for me it's really worth further developing...
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I do not think this is a good build to cook from unless you feel like spending lots of time in the kitchen fixing MS screw ups! Has anyone noticed the screen tearing from the new .dlls? plus there are a few other things I won't mention since most of you haven't played with roms that long to understand what I am talking about.
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More like because you are incompetent...
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why not release it? because it takes more time than it should to turn these WM6.1 pigs into something worth having on my phone I have worked many roms and this is fast yes I'll agree but it also has some major bugs simply follow the release thread and you will see. plus this build isn't released from MS it has been modded in some little ways which are fine with me since that's what needed to be done so as we wouldn't know where it came from.
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Or is it because all of your past releases for any device failed?
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Exactly. For some reason we are unable to get the "Shipped ROM" per say. The non-cooked version.
...the fact that this thread header is asking what we would like in a cooked build, is actually false. The only 5.2.19202 we have is a cooked build. I would like to a see a non-cooked build
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Never going to happen until a carrier is going to release it, so why even bring it up?
Have any one WM 6.5 build 21202 ? If yes, is it better than 21159 ?
I've got a build but I'm having problems since g'reloc won't work with it, I have to manually set the memory addresses one at a time. Right now, I'm testing a replacement to g'reloc to see if I can get around that. Again, though, until I'm done with JustStable, I won't really be releasing anything else since if I release something, I expect it to be up to my standards. (One person might not care about a bug or two, but I get a billion and one PM's complaining about bugs that aren't even in my ROMs, let alone any that are found on my ROMs.) From what I understand, it still has the same issues that I mentioned 21198 had.