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is it really worth it?

Hi all,
Ive just got myself a tmobile wizard. ive been looking all through the wm6 pages and was just wondering is it worth me updating my wm5 to wm6. im sure all the new users would like to know this (is there speed improvements etc) and is there a rom that is stable and 99% working? as ive had alot of problems in the past when updating my blueangel to wm5
apologies if these are stupid questions

IMO, there's not enough extra in WM6 to justify the little problems it has. I'd suggest a stable WM5 like Farias 3.3

farias 3.3 is awsome , all of the wm6 roms have issues but i am using the clean wm6 from faria thats in the rom kitchen and it seems just as stable as the wm5 3.3

peterson65 said:
farias 3.3 is awsome , all of the wm6 roms have issues but i am using the clean wm6 from faria thats in the rom kitchen and it seems just as stable as the wm5 3.3
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I would 2nd that!!! Now that we have the Ir button working 100%, i dont think there is other problems

So far so good here....
I know it's kinda aging now but I have been running NotTooSmart's Vanilla Rom for a while now and I have no issues whatsoever. I use my device constantly all day every day and though there was some trick to getting it to work just how I wanted I was comfortable enough to put the same ROM on my wife's Wizard as well (If you only knew how big of a step this was.... god forbid something goes wrong there I will never hear the end of it) .
Overall, here is the list of things that I do with rom if you are contemplating using it yourself and want to know if it will work for you.
Exchange activesync (heavy use)
Pocket IE
AIM 2.0 for PPC (osed once or twice)
Watching movies with TCPMP
( SEE TCPMP NOTES BELOW )
I use WMP as my only MP3 player with a couple of SD cards
WIFI works fine
Bluetooth headset with my HT850 works fine
Phone works okay. I mean, nothing is perfect and I do miss a call on occasion but so far it's acceptable. I have found, despite my previous posts, that 2.19 UK actually is more reliable. 2.25 US is better for data in my area but 2.19 UK causes me to miss a lot less calls.
I use internet radio via TCPMP at the gym every day reliably.
Sirius Sat Radio via SiriusWM5 works great although on occasion I do get the odd program error - NOTE: happens in WM5 too.
I DO NOT OVERCLOCK AT ALL as I really have no need for it.
Ewallet latest release works great
Listpro works great
I use a whole bunch of networking apps (tracert, pocket ping, etc...) from way back in the WM2003 days that still work just fine on WM6.
Terminal services works (though most people will not use this).
TCPMP NOTE: In order to do internet radio and most video you will need to DL and install the WMV9 codecs. This is a known issue and can be found by searching through back posts here in the WM6 forum.
Overall, I say yeah, it's worth it. It's more of an evolutionary upgrade than anything but it's a "nice to have". Plus, HTML email is real nice if you have EXCH 2007.

ok thanks all for the help!
i think i will give it a go, can anyone give me a direct link to the faria 3.3 rom (i cant seem to find it)
also is there anything i must be careful of when updating the rom so i dont brick it!

peterson65 said:
farias 3.3 is awsome , all of the wm6 roms have issues but i am using the clean wm6 from faria thats in the rom kitchen and it seems just as stable as the wm5 3.3
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How is the battery life with this rom?

cobra2222 said:
ok thanks all for the help!
i think i will give it a go, can anyone give me a direct link to the faria 3.3 rom (i cant seem to find it)
also is there anything i must be careful of when updating the rom so i dont brick it!
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I think this is the correct link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=303406
Make sure you have either G3 or G4 device as downloading the wrong version will brick your device.

cobra2222 said:
ok thanks all for the help!
i think i will give it a go, can anyone give me a direct link to the faria 3.3 rom (i cant seem to find it)
also is there anything i must be careful of when updating the rom so i dont brick it!
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If you are wanting to give WM6 a go, then the Faria 3.3 rom is not the correct one. That is a WM5 rom.
The Faria Clean / Vanilla is the WM6 one. You have to download the entire ROM Kitchen, but there is a flash rom directory that has a default rom already built (or you can go through the build process to add and remove the stuff you want / don't want.
The link for the Faria WM6 is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=303406 (same as given above, but that is NOT the AKU 3.3 Faria ROM)
If you really want Faria AKU 3.3 (again, its a stable WM5 ROM) then its here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291806
And then use this link to step you through flashing...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298613

ok thanks alot for the help....i have to wait 90mins for rapidshare to let me download the downgrade rom
will let you know how it turned out!

k2e15 said:
How is the battery life with this rom?
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it seems better than any wm6 i have tried , it does not have battery status installed and i have not installed it yet so without that and no overclocking its holding up as good as it did with farias wm5 3.3.

cobra2222 said:
ok thanks alot for the help....i have to wait 90mins for rapidshare to let me download the downgrade rom
will let you know how it turned out!
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sometimes you can get around the 90 minute wait by just putting http://anonym.to/? infront of the URL. Doesn't always work but its worth a try.

Is it worth it?
I know I'm coming in late to the thread, but I think in general I would be a bit more cautious. The leap from a stock rom to a (necessarily) custom WM6 rom, and then to a rom kitchen is better taken in baby steps in my opinion. In my own view, objectively I don't see any difference in my day to day usage of my wizard from when I was running WM5. In fact, I think because I've become obsessed with tinkering with it, I spend more time trying out different odds and ends, tweaking and breaking and fixing things than I do using it!
If you are primarily interested in USING you Wizard, I would start with a small step to say the Faria 3.3 WM5 rom. Learn to unlock, and flash, load your programs again, etc. Then once that's digested move up to WM6 if you really feel the itch, then try a rom kitchen as a final step.
Whatever you do, Keep it Fun!

Very good points, but unfortunately, Faria did not release his "Vanilla" as a seperate ROM but instead with the entire kitchen (which I agree could be dangerous for someone new). My point was you can use that Vanilla rom by downloading the entire kitchen, but just going to the falshrom directory and flashing what came with it as the default (I understand its basically what we were running in beta which is a very nice ROM). It is a very good WM6 rom with no "cooking" required.
I've thought about making a couple of these Faria Vanilla's up and posting them (with Faria's permission) for those that only want the rom and not the entire kitchen (or the temptation that comes with it).

i used to tinker my blueangel so much, but the wm5 roms just didnt work right. with this rom from the kitchen is it just a 'stock' one? will it just have the programs my tmobile rom has? as im happy with my tmobile rom but i just want to have wm6. i dont need all the tweaking tools as long as it works

cobra2222 said:
i used to tinker my blueangel so much, but the wm5 roms just didnt work right. with this rom from the kitchen is it just a 'stock' one? will it just have the programs my tmobile rom has? as im happy with my tmobile rom but i just want to have wm6. i dont need all the tweaking tools as long as it works
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No, its a "Vanilla" or "Clean" rom (ie: pretty much stripped down to the core). So you then add back to it just what you want.
If you want a full featured WM6, then look at Faria's "the real thing" but there are issues with that one so you have to dig through the huge thread for fixes (so I don't recommend it). If you want something that feels like a "stock" rom, then do the Faria AKU 3.3 (again, its WM5, but its better than the stock ones IMO).
I like the Vanilla roms though as you just put on it what you want. But not everyone likes that.

ive unlocked and my pda is ready for wm6. what file do i run from the kitchen folder to start the update?

mfrazzz said:
Very good points, but unfortunately, Faria did not release his "Vanilla" as a seperate ROM but instead with the entire kitchen (which I agree could be dangerous for someone new). My point was you can use that Vanilla rom by downloading the entire kitchen, but just going to the falshrom directory and flashing what came with it as the default (I understand its basically what we were running in beta which is a very nice ROM). It is a very good WM6 rom with no "cooking" required.
I've thought about making a couple of these Faria Vanilla's up and posting them (with Faria's permission) for those that only want the rom and not the entire kitchen (or the temptation that comes with it).
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I think that's a great idea. Even if you put in all his currently available options, it is still more of a vanilla rom. Maybe with and without Voice Command, as that seems to be a make or break issue for folks. But serve it up the way you like it!

cobra2222 said:
ive unlocked and my pda is ready for wm6. what file do i run from the kitchen folder to start the update?
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Well, if you're going to do this, now its time to start reading that thread.
Good luck!

i just want to install the vanilla standard rom, do i just need to run an exe from the kitchen folder?

WM6 not yet ready for the wizard?

I tested over 10 different WM6 roms over the last 6 weeks. All of them are crashing a couple of times a day. Getting tired of missing calls or hanging wizard I decided to start cooking my own roms.
First in the kitchen from Faria. DEV-Wizcrossbow Clean v2. But the roms that came out where also crashing. Then the InGeNeTiC Kitchen same. Then the dOUbleofour_Wiz_Kitchen.
I wanted a good WM6 rom because I just like all the new little changes.
Am I the only one having those crashes at least 5 times a day? Or am I using the phone to haevy? ---> 40 calls a day, 1000 contacts, 2000 items in the calendar. None other application loaded as the defaults except TomTom.
Yesterday I decided to go back to WM5. I installed the excellent rom from Molski.biz He has put the crossbow team in it. It looks like the new WM6 roms.
And today I didn't have any crash!!!
Please I would like to hear other comments about the daily use of WM6. In all the forums I only read about a working or not working single program.
FYI
I have a WIZA200 (Original from t-mobile Netherlands)
Radio 2.19.11
IPL/SPL 2.21
Unlocked
Thanks,
Conrad

conradh said:
I tested over 10 different WM6 roms over the last 6 weeks. All of them are crashing a couple of times a day. Getting tired of missing calls or hanging wizard I decided to start cooking my own roms.
First in the kitchen from Faria. DEV-Wizcrossbow Clean v2. But the roms that came out where also crashing. Then the InGeNeTiC Kitchen same. Then the dOUbleofour_Wiz_Kitchen.
I wanted a good WM6 rom because I just like all the new little changes.
Am I the only one having those crashes at least 5 times a day? Or am I using the phone to haevy? ---> 40 calls a day, 1000 contacts, 2000 items in the calendar. None other application loaded as the defaults except TomTom.
Yesterday I decided to go back to WM5. I installed the excellent rom from Molski.biz He has put the crossbow team in it. It looks like the new WM6 roms.
And today I didn't have any crash!!!
Please I would like to hear other comments about the daily use of WM6. In all the forums I only read about a working or not working single program.
FYI
I have a WIZA200 (Original from t-mobile Netherlands)
Radio 2.19.11
IPL/SPL 2.21
Unlocked
Thanks,
Conrad
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Go try TNT 2.0. You should be plesantly surprised!

what carrier do you use and what in what state/country

I Am in the Netherlands Europe
notyourdaddy said:
what carrier do you use and what in what state/country
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I am from The Netherlands. I am using the network of KPN the largest network provider overhere.

what radio version are you using

WM6 TNT 2.0 Good or Not
mmeyer4663 said:
Go try TNT 2.0. You should be plesantly surprised!
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That one I haven't tried. Do you know a link or tread to find it?

haha i made a classic mistake, sorry noob i didnt read your post properly , did you try upgrading your radio to 2.69?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=312867

Radio 02.19.11
mini_man said:
what radio version are you using
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Is the radio version important for not crashing? Using this radio version in combination with molski.biz wm5 rom gives very good reception.

it should help stability and not missing calls.

Well I ran almost all WM6 romz and no matter what radio ver. I used I either got Missed calls, SMS, or could Not reconnect back the GPRS once I would reboot or had Lost signal
I tried RAdio ver.
2.47.11
2.19
2.69
They were all no good for me. I"m in the US and I"m in the NYC and NJ area
It was so bad I had to go back to WM5

I'm going back to Wm5 tonight when I get a chance, I'm not getting 90% of the SMS messages I'm told were sent or tested.. Used radio 2.61 and 2.19UK.
I get calls with 2.19, but no SMS.
I use Cingular/ATT and am in FL.

I am using 2.47 T-Mobile, Denver, CO.

Yeah 2.19UK didn't work for me either and I use Cingular in Atlanta. I switched to 2.47.11 and I am having better luck

Bahahah, I just bricked my G3 running a Wm5 update.
Hit 99% of the install and my computer BSOD'd with a USB error.
Now I can't install anything. Fantastic.

I installed the Crossbow Professional 1.7 based on Faria's ROM. At first I was pleasantly surprised and love the new features and look, but after about a week my directpush stopped working, I rebooted and now doing that caused me to lose registry settings and since then it has been crashing quite a bit, no calls, missed calls, no emails. For some reason my clock reset to 24 hr military style, my ring tone changed to something completely different...
What I don't understand is that MS demoed WM6 on the wizard and if you look at the new table interface MS demonstrated, they have an MDA there as well... why give up on this solid performed and not issue WM6 officially. It pisses me of that T-Mo US wants me to spend $300 to buy their Wing to get Mobile 6 when the MDA is completely sufficient. Especially since they don't even have the 3G network rolled out. I'd rather switch to AT&T and get the 8525 - the download speed is amazing on 3G.
Sorry for the rant...

alexsch8 said:
I installed the Crossbow Professional 1.7 based on Faria's ROM. At first I was pleasantly surprised and love the new features and look, but after about a week my directpush stopped working, I rebooted and now doing that caused me to lose registry settings and since then it has been crashing quite a bit, no calls, missed calls, no emails. For some reason my clock reset to 24 hr military style, my ring tone changed to something completely different...
What I don't understand is that MS demoed WM6 on the wizard and if you look at the new table interface MS demonstrated, they have an MDA there as well... why give up on this solid performed and not issue WM6 officially. It pisses me of that T-Mo US wants me to spend $300 to buy their Wing to get Mobile 6 when the MDA is completely sufficient. Especially since they don't even have the 3G network rolled out. I'd rather switch to AT&T and get the 8525 - the download speed is amazing on 3G.
Sorry for the rant...
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I'm also in Florida and didn't have much luck with previous WM6 ROMs. When the InGeNeTiCs dogfood ROM was released, I installed the plain-jane version and had no problems. I decided to cook my own using mattk_r's Stripped and Ready kitchen and haven't had any problems whatsoever. I use the 2.19UK radio and have no missed calls, no ringtone changes (which I had with previous WM6 ROMs), no MMS problems (other than the sync issue which plagues everyone). I highly suggest cooking your own - put what you want in there and experiment. Once you find a mixture that you like, you'll be one happy WM6 user.

I'd suggest you leave out your WAP settings (keep GPRS from connecting) and see if you still have issues.
From what I've seen and read, the phones have a hard time juggling data and phone functions, and supposedly this is a weakness in all PDA phones like ours.

Same thing here
I have a US T-mobile MDA g3 too.
Been flash many wm6 ROMs. Then flash back wm5 because wm6 freeze on me all the time.
I just flashed TNT2 it seems better all my application works (spb shell, insight codewallet, memmaid, phatpad....) but still freeze once a while take quit long time to boot (it turns off by itself couple of time I have to take out the battery to boot) I will give other week test then decide to keep it or not .
All those wm6 roms none of them flawless on MDA, sometime not compatible with certain software I have, sometime just no sound after use the earphone ...
So T-mobile will never give out the official wm6rom for MDA? Like they did for Dash?

jonahy said:
I have a US T-mobile MDA g3 too.
So T-mobile will never give out the official wm6rom for MDA? Like they did for Dash?
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nope. they released the wing to basically screw us that bought the MDA. oh well im going to get the kaiser when it comes out anyways.

no problems with crashes here on any of the tested wm6 roms. running xplore 2.0 for some time now and still think its the best rom for me

Thinking of rolling back to WM5

Hey,
When I bought my Universal from ebay it already came with WM6 (a very buggy version, not sure from where). So I never really had the chance to test WM5.
I'm mostly having problems installing Hebrew support on the cooked roms. For instance PDAC (one of the companies who make hebrew for PPC) told me that because their software detects my device as WM5 their licensing system won't allow me to install (by the way, is there a work around this problem? This is all legit of course I want to buy this software).
I'm not going to ask what are the official differences because I can find more than enough about it on the web, but is there really a technical reason to stay with a cooked WM6 (being somewhat buggy)? Besides being prettier are the cooked roms giving any advantage over WM5 ? From my understanding both operating systems are pretty much the same besides the included software.
Thanks
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By the way I want to emphasize that I REALLY TRULY appreciate the effort spent into making these cooked roms. SERIOUSLY. This isn't a complaint thread!
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Yeah im think about downgrading but to be honest just flash with a good WM6 rom and then wait a bit and more software will come out its still a new OS and i like being like the elite few lol with WM6 thanks to XDA Developers!

rumble291 said:
Yeah im think about downgrading but to be honest just flash with a good WM6 rom and then wait a bit and more software will come out its still a new OS and i like being like the elite few lol with WM6 thanks to XDA Developers!
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Perhaps I will downgrade temporarily. My main concern is Hebrew support. Besides that everything else works just fine.

I would like to roll back to WM5 as well and tried Jwright's and Helmi's one. Both of them gave me surprising stable and reasonable fast experience. But one thing keeps me coming back to WM6 is the WAY MORE intelligence way of dialing a phone.
I am now still looking for a WM5 rom which is as stable as those I had quoted and WITH the Smartdialing function.
Any ideas? please share.
Thanks

ronaldphl said:
I would like to roll back to WM5 as well and tried Jwright's and Helmi's one. Both of them gave me surprising stable and reasonable fast experience. But one thing keeps me coming back to WM6 is the WAY MORE intelligence way of dialing a phone.
I am now still looking for a WM5 rom which is as stable as those I had quoted and WITH the Smartdialing function.
Any ideas? please share.
Thanks
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What's the smart-dialing function? I never had WM5 so I don't know the difference in dialing.

I just gave up on this idea after seeing how horrible WM5 is :/
And I actually managed to install Hebrew support! Yay!

I just gave up on this idea after seeing how horrible WM5 is :/
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WM5 horrible? wtf?
I you dont use video call, and you don't mind the bugs of WM6 with WiFi and MMS. Then stick with WM6. Otherwise.. use WM5.

DaVince said:
WM5 horrible? wtf?
I you dont use video call, and you don't mind the bugs of WM6 with WiFi and MMS. Then stick with WM6. Otherwise.. use WM5.
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From the things I saw in the official O2 installation I made:
- Sim contacts don't appear as regular contacts
- Outlook looks like the horrible outlook I had in my old PocketPC2002
- The phone dialer is not responsive and very buggy
- Overall slower than WM6
I'm personally not having any problems with WiFi in WM6.
And yeah I don't use video call or MMS I don't use any G3 features.

Oh.. you used the official WM5 from O2. I wouldn't use that myself.. too darn slow and lots of missing features. I'm using Jwright's ROM... anyway, it's just personal preference. I'd rather have all the features that my Universal can offer with WM5 rather than have a better looking WM6 ROM with buggy and missing features.

Highly Recommend To Try Kamal's WM5 ROM (AKU 3.5)
I recommend to try Kamal's WM5 ROM. You guys won't regret it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319838
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Any Tilt Owners on WM6.1?

I would like to hear some stories from Tilt owners who have installed any of the WM6.1 ROMs. Good, bad, fugly!?!

I installed schaps and i cant get MMS Tried the official so they say one. Also same thing
error synchronizing.....

I installed Alex's on my Tilt. I must say it's my favorite ROM I've used so far. MUCH faster (apparently directdraw works!? Not sure if it's a hack or it works now), threaded SMS is awesome, and overall I think it's great.

agreenagent said:
I installed Alex's on my Tilt. I must say it's my favorite ROM I've used so far. MUCH faster (apparently directdraw works!? Not sure if it's a hack or it works now), threaded SMS is awesome, and overall I think it's great.
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What radio did you install on it and do you have the sound issue?

DancherBoi said:
What radio did you install on it and do you have the sound issue?
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His ROM comes with a Radio. TCPMP doesn't work though. Unless you go to ROM 3.02.405.0
No sound issues with that radio.

Honestly I don't think I updated the radio, I think Alex's rom came with the new radio. It's now the 1.64.06.04 radio. I was going to upgrade it to this anyway. I have zero issues with it at all. Voice is clear, signal is great and battery drain is less than before (could just be the new WM, though).

I have to admit to something, although he in not often on this site, Schaps ROM worked for me the best. I am still using the old radio 12.17 with Schaps beta 6.1. I cleaned some of the issues and installed few programs and the battery life is the best. maybe demographics or where you live in relationship to the service source has some to do with battery consumption....

asfoor said:
I have to admit to something, although he in not often on this site, Schaps ROM worked for me the best. I am still using the old radio 12.17 with Schaps beta 6.1. I cleaned some of the issues and installed few programs and the battery life is the best. maybe demographics or where you live in relationship to the service source has some to do with battery consumption....
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Well, of course if your signal is worse, the chip has to work harder (i.e. more energy) to keep your signal. The rest has to do with ROMs and/or software telling it things like how frequently to poll for calls and things of that sort.
But it seems that WM6.1 does have better battery life (less drain). I have the new radio rom so I can't control for that, though.

asfoor said:
I have to admit to something, although he in not often on this site, Schaps ROM worked for me the best. I am still using the old radio 12.17 with Schaps beta 6.1. I cleaned some of the issues and installed few programs and the battery life is the best. maybe demographics or where you live in relationship to the service source has some to do with battery consumption....
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I also noticed battery life is excellent with that version of the Chinese hacked BETA version build. Dutty is using the same one and the battery life is quite astounding!

The only issue I've had with non-ATT based ROMs is most don't seem to like Over-the-Air Activesync/Direct Push for some reason. They will connect fine to the server but don't consistently maintain a connection full time. Sometime I'll check the Activesync and it won't be connect and have the last successful connected date/time shown.
With the ATT based ROMs it always shows connected when I check Activesync on the device.
Other than that I've only had the standard common problems already reported like the soft-reset issue.

What about 14.09 any issues with WiMo 6.1?

I think DCS's rom has solved the soft-reset problem.
I'm on Schap's 4.31 now with 12.17 radio. Will do the upgrade soon. Only concern is do I need to install both the rom and radio at one go or can I install the os first then pick the radio afterwards?

I'm running Alex's Beta on mine.
I've been on it since yesterday, and killed my battery twice now playing with it. I've not noticed the delay in button pressing that was in all the 6.0 roms I tried.
The radio acts the same as the last radio I had (see sig)... but then I've not gone outside a 100 yard radius since I flashed the phone.
Overall, it definately seems faster to me.
As for battery.... meh. I've been using the crap outta the phone. Bluetooth calls, Bluetooth transfers, internet (over the network), wifi, games, setting the phone up, cab installs, you name it. Tomorrow I might get a better handle on how the battery acts since it will be a normal workday for me, and I'll have less time to play with it.

agreenagent said:
I installed Alex's on my Tilt. I must say it's my favorite ROM I've used so far. MUCH faster (apparently directdraw works!? Not sure if it's a hack or it works now), threaded SMS is awesome, and overall I think it's great.
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Do you have a link to this ROM?

grizzley said:
Do you have a link to this ROM?
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Walla
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WYLTSQYP

You are a quick MF!!!!!
Any link to the thread about the ROM? I've tried several in the past 24 hours and so far, none are worth upgrading to IMO.

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Alex%27s%20ROMs#WMx20.6x2e.1

over2land said:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Alex%27s%20ROMs#WMx20.6x2e.1
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Thanks..... looks like it is still a tad early to flash to this ROM.

meh. If you don't like it, flash back. What do you have to lose?
I did it. Got rid of the dang random hesitation when pressing a button. For that, I'm keeping it, until the next latest and greatest comes.
Sure, there are some issues. But what ROM doesn't have things you'd like to change? So you gotta hit the SR button twice to soft reset. Once you get it set up, its not like you gotta SR all the time. We're beyond 2003SE here....

over2land said:
We're beyond 2003SE here....
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I agree with you.... but we are also beyond 6.0 as well

Is newer better?

Hi all,
Having tried most of the recent ROMS and radios on this forum and have to give massive credit to the ingenuity and skill of the Chefs on here that there is so much choice available. However, I consistently had an issue with GPS fixes.The best initial fix time after a reset, or if I'd not used GPS for a few days, was about 1 minute outside in bright sunshine with no clouds. For cloudy weather this could go up to over 10 minutes. If I tried getting a fix inside at my desk which is next to the window, sometimes I would give up waiting as it just never got a fix (I realise that ordinarily you would not need GPS indoors, but it makes testing on a cold, wet day in the UK a lot easier...)
I tried pretty much everything in various GPS threads, using GPS Test, Quick GPS, disablng A-GPS etc and nothing consistently helped. I could not believe that the Kaiser was so much worse than my old Artemis.
One thread mentioned several folks downgrading to WM6 rather than 6.1 as they claimed this was better. I tried this and hey presto, I now get a cold fix in about 30 secs max, on a good day it can be 10-15 secs. At the same desk above, I get a fix in about 30 secs too. Not only that, my device in use seems to feel faster and things like screen rotate on opening the keyboard seem more so (this is subjective, not measured it).
This made me wonder what the advantages of WM6.1 actually are. From searching around, the list of things that apparently differ are :
Threaded SMS
Speed Increases
PIE Zoom Out
Task Manager
Office One Note
Of these, there are alternatives to most of them :
Threaded SMS use PocketCM,
PIE Zoom use Opera,
Task Manager - many alternatives,
One Note use TouchNotes and
Speed increase - I'm not convinced of in daily use.
However, all the chefs on this forum have moved over to 6.1 so I'm wondering that either the majority of people do not have GPS issues like I do or, as is exceptionally likely, there are other reasons that I do not know for preferring 6.1.
Any chefs out there fancy commenting on why you prefer 6.1 over 6.0 to save me from my ignorance?
Cheers,
Jez.

Same here
I have experienced the same mate. I have tried God knows how many 6.1s and besides, they are looking great and neat (thanks to our brilliant chefs here), i didn't see any improvement on my tilt, just opposite. I have experienced annoying non responsive display, very slow response time, and there was a time when I had to press display several times before I was able to run anything on the phone... let alone the GPS.
Now, I have an original HTC WM 6.0 Pro/ ROM 1.56.405.5/ Radio 1.27.12.11 and I have to say that my Tilt has never been faster and more stabile. Moreover, GPS signal is much better and even works when I put kaiser near the window. It is cloudy and rainy here in Bosnia now, yet it took only 15sec before it received signal.
So, I have to say that this one works better for me.

Lately I too have had more issues that I wish to have. Just seems there is no perfect, or even close mix of ROM/Software that is good enough to be a daily use type. Not sure if the chefs are just over-doing or we just have a bad mix of software at this time. I do hope the chefs continue to work on a better ROM, I do know they try hard and should be commended for their efforts, but right now I may move back to an older version that just worked better. Maybe 6.0, but not quite sure yet.

This is nothing new..many have reverted back to 6.0. But for what its worth, I never have to wait longer than 45 seconds in the U.S. using the emo radio inside my car rain or shine.

After receiving a warranty replacement for my Kaiser, I'm now using the stock T-mobile UK rom, and it's far better than any WM6.1 cooked rom + radio that I've tried when it comes to GPS.
However, the battery life is probably not quite as good. The unit is just as fast as with any of the cooked roms I've tried.
I can't really think of any tangible benefits from using cooked roms, as this stock WM6 rom works well, and I can add any functionality I need by installing the right programs.
I use PointUI, so I would not benefit from the significant improvements to the WM gui that the cooks have produced.
However, I enjoy trying out new roms and seeing what the cooks come up with, so I may still do it anyway, just for the fun of it!

you are absolutely right and now i am going to downgrade to 6.0

GPS is nice to have on my phone but if I truly needed GPS I would have bought a truly more reliable (read: GPS Specific) device.
If I need directions I can still use Google Maps to plot the turns, on my own - like in the old days. *snicker*

TasoM said:
Now, I have an original HTC WM 6.0 Pro/ ROM 1.56.405.5/ Radio 1.27.12.11
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BTW: What version of HardSPL are you using?

Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.

JimmyMcGee said:
Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.
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Sorry, duh, I guess we aren't talking about the development of ROMS, eh?

why
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Ok, Someone has a chance to explain why this thread should be left in ROM Dev and not moved to Kaiser General.
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... perhaps because it considers WM6.1 ROM development in the context of the WM6 platform for the Kaiser.
@tabashir --> Threaded SMS use PocketCM. I would be interested in a free replacement to the WM6.1 threaded SMS but http://www.pocketcm.com/index.php does not contain any details of this. Can you throw some light on this. Thx
[Edit - OK found threaded SMS using pocket CM thanks - will check it out thanks]

Thanks for the replies all. Although no answers on why to prefer 6.1, at least I know I'm not completely insane in going back to WM6!
Have not gone the whole hog and gone to a stock ROM tho, have been having fun trying out some of the different cooked ones, albeit old as they are now. Am currently on Blackwood which with Radio 1.27.14.09 and SPL 3.29.
Like TasoM, have not had any freezes or non-responsiveness with WM6 so far which I guess is what the forum is all about, try them all and find what suits your circumstances. I do find the battery life 'seems' worse than when I was on 6.1 and the Emo radio.
Reply to convert > glad you found the threaded SMS. Lots of nice skins for it too. I don't use it personally as I find iContact faster and better for just contacts and I don't need threaded sms.
Reply to JimmyMcGee > The original question was aimed at the Chefs creating the WM6.1 Roms so I figured it better in the Development thread. However, I really don't mind if you move it to where you think it is more appropriate.
Now I gotta go play with PointUI, was not aware of that one before!

How's the video playback and game/ui performance on the stock 6.0?

a major one everyone is forgetting is the dev of the 3D drivers and soon(tm) 2D drivers that is a major reason a lot of people including me have moved on, another one is that when some major changes come in 6.1 i will not have major issues with upgrading my apps mms/sms etc... to the new ROM and not have to worry about radio's and hardspl as i would be already running it..
besides you guys forget, your running windows... i always reboot my phone and a good reason is because i change batteries so every 1-3days it will be rebooted, it mixes most of the small issues.
As far as GPS its always been the same, i havent ever bothered with GPS to be there for me, its just to aid me, i do use google maps which helps i never have used GPS to tell me were to drive i think that is insane, nor will i ever do it, i like to know exactly were to go and what my options are

tabashir said:
Hi all,
Having tried most of the recent ROMS and radios on this forum and have to give massive credit to the ingenuity and skill of the Chefs on here that there is so much choice available. However, I consistently had an issue with GPS fixes.The best initial fix time after a reset, or if I'd not used GPS for a few days, was about 1 minute outside in bright sunshine with no clouds. For cloudy weather this could go up to over 10 minutes. If I tried getting a fix inside at my desk which is next to the window, sometimes I would give up waiting as it just never got a fix (I realise that ordinarily you would not need GPS indoors, but it makes testing on a cold, wet day in the UK a lot easier...)
I tried pretty much everything in various GPS threads, using GPS Test, Quick GPS, disablng A-GPS etc and nothing consistently helped. I could not believe that the Kaiser was so much worse than my old Artemis.
One thread mentioned several folks downgrading to WM6 rather than 6.1 as they claimed this was better. I tried this and hey presto, I now get a cold fix in about 30 secs max, on a good day it can be 10-15 secs. At the same desk above, I get a fix in about 30 secs too. Not only that, my device in use seems to feel faster and things like screen rotate on opening the keyboard seem more so (this is subjective, not measured it).
This made me wonder what the advantages of WM6.1 actually are. From searching around, the list of things that apparently differ are :
Threaded SMS
Speed Increases
PIE Zoom Out
Task Manager
Office One Note
Of these, there are alternatives to most of them :
Threaded SMS use PocketCM,
PIE Zoom use Opera,
Task Manager - many alternatives,
One Note use TouchNotes and
Speed increase - I'm not convinced of in daily use.
However, all the chefs on this forum have moved over to 6.1 so I'm wondering that either the majority of people do not have GPS issues like I do or, as is exceptionally likely, there are other reasons that I do not know for preferring 6.1.
Any chefs out there fancy commenting on why you prefer 6.1 over 6.0 to save me from my ignorance?
Cheers,
Jez.
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Try the newer rom(s) with manilla 2D (hyperdragon III is currently the only one publicly available). Newer is better.

I too switched to 6.0
tabashir said:
Thanks for the replies all. Although no answers on why to prefer 6.1, at least I know I'm not completely insane in going back to WM6!
Have not gone the whole hog and gone to a stock ROM tho, have been having fun trying out some of the different cooked ones, albeit old as they are now. Am currently on Blackwood which with Radio 1.27.14.09 and SPL 3.29.
Like TasoM, have not had any freezes or non-responsiveness with WM6 so far which I guess is what the forum is all about, try them all and find what suits your circumstances. I do find the battery life 'seems' worse than when I was on 6.1 and the Emo radio.
Reply to convert > glad you found the threaded SMS. Lots of nice skins for it too. I don't use it personally as I find iContact faster and better for just contacts and I don't need threaded sms.
Reply to JimmyMcGee > The original question was aimed at the Chefs creating the WM6.1 Roms so I figured it better in the Development thread. However, I really don't mind if you move it to where you think it is more appropriate.
Now I gotta go play with PointUI, was not aware of that one before!
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I too switched to WM 6.0 and I think that I am much happier than with Dutty's ROM. Do not get me wrong, there was a lot of nice things in it. But I have a feeling that I would rather prefer stock HTC ROM and add some useful software. I have not tried stock HTC ROM in 6.1. I am curious if GPS works teh same as in 6.0 ROM?

To be honest, 6.0 is much stable and less problematic so far compare to 6.1.
Most of the 6.1 problems (e.g. cleartype landscape) have some workaround solutions. But problem like the famous Activesync 86000107 still doesn't have any solution yet.
For me, the only advantage of 6.1 is much faster startup time, and overall system performance.

drutort said:
a major one everyone is forgetting is the dev of the 3D drivers and soon(tm) 2D drivers that is a major reason a lot of people including me have moved on
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The 2D drivers could be a real benefit, but there's no advantage for me or most people having the 3D drivers installed at the moment.
I'll probably give Hyperdragon with TouchFlo 2D a go, but I would not be suprised if I end up sticking pointUI on it and have the exact same functionality and aesthetics as the stock rom. I hope I'm wrong!

kolibrik said:
I too switched to WM 6.0 and I think that I am much happier than with Dutty's ROM. Do not get me wrong, there was a lot of nice things in it. But I have a feeling that I would rather prefer stock HTC ROM and add some useful software. I have not tried stock HTC ROM in 6.1. I am curious if GPS works teh same as in 6.0 ROM?
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I am done with problem 86000107, I want to go back to WM 6.0, Where did you find the official WM 6.0 ROM World wide English, and did you need to install a HardSPL or not ????
Thanks
Danny K.
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Now we're talking little bout religion here, LoL.
There was times at beginning of WM6.1 issuance that with so many problems came with it i sometimes convert back to stock HTC WM6, or Schaps 4.30 (most good looking and well done cooked WM6 i tried). I remember it was only before July i keep converting back. Yett most of the time i did it only to get the feeling of what's right before and try to 'port' (find solution) the great feelings to the newer WM6.1.
Nowadays, WM6.1 already much familiarized by the chefs here and gained much tweaks. On a proper hand, it does make big difference in performance. My Kaiser is now running full fledged without any issues, it even have landscape cleartype enabled now for my liking (yet i don't do threaded sms). Faster, more stable, less power hungry, quicker gps fix, more instant screen rotation, than before.
Wow, what happened? It's because the wonder of this community, that's why. AFAIK, i have used several PDA and the conclusion is still the same: left to itself, Microsoft's (MS) product does sux big time. Without this community it will dragging its own feet to its graveyard. I think HTC at least a bit better than MS in adapting to market's demand (i truly belief many HTC engineers are member of this forum, much more than MS's). Cuz I saw some pattern in behaviour here.
Bottomline, WM6.1 is indeed much more problematic than WM6. Yet WM6 was also much more problematic than WM5, or 2003SE!
That's the way MS works, man, everytime they issue newer OS they try to include more functionalities, features, etc, while at the same time introducing more bugs than before. For example, who use windows vista here, care to share your experience with it? Cuz I don't. I even use winXP only after SP2 issued.
Never trust Micro$oft product! Just trust the power of users and communities who expanding it! Now my religion is not WM6.1, but rather, XDA-Devs. So in case next time XDA-Devs decided they have enough with WM,then i may join the convert to Android. Amen.