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Hey,
Im gonna buy a new PDA.
And im in doubt between the ELFin and Polaris.
The Polaris has a GPS onboard, and 256 mem... Other specs looks the same. But is it better as a ELFin?
Are there any negative things about one of them?
Thanks,
HP197
P.s. A read that the Polaris has a 400Mhz proc onboard. But is it a real 400Mhz proc? Or a shared Proc like the Artemis? That one had a 400Mhz proc, but WM had only 200Mhz for usage, the other 200Mhz was used for GPS signals etc etc...
elfin? http://www.cvcoffee.com/prod_images_blowup/Elfin-Blow-Up1.jpg
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do you mean elf?
if so then they are way different elf is one of the weakest pda's htc have
and polaris is pretty ok
here you can compare
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Polaris
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Elf
Rudegar said:
elfin? http://www.cvcoffee.com/prod_images_blowup/Elfin-Blow-Up1.jpg
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do you mean elf?
if so then they are way different elf is one of the weakest pda's htc have
and polaris is pretty ok
here you can compare
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Polaris
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Elf
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No, i mean the ELFin...
Its the updated version of a ELF, with 400mhz proc, and 128mb mem.
P.s. If i looks to the wiki, i think the official name is Vogue. But some of this forum members call it ELFin
Vogue: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=803&view=1
Polaris: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=801&view=1
ahhh got it
welll Vogue dont have gps as you mention and nor does it have umts or hsdpa
== as slow internet
and it's cam dont have autofocus (not sure how much this mean as i've yet to se a photo taken with any phone which was worth printing to papir or setting as wallpapir on a pc)
also as you mention 400Mhz is not really an universaly good way of measuring speed of the device
only a benchmark will show a good picture of how much difference there is between a
Qualcomm 400Mhz of polaris and
OMAP 400MHz of vogue
Rudegar said:
ahhh got it
welll Vogue dont have gps as you mention and nor does it have umts or hsdpa
== as slow internet
and it's cam dont have autofocus (not sure how much this mean as i've yet to se a photo taken with any phone which was worth printing to papir or setting as wallpapir on a pc)
also as you mention 400Mhz is not really an universaly good way of measuring speed of the device
only a benchmark will show a good picture of how much difference there is between a
Qualcomm 400Mhz of polaris and
OMAP 400MHz of vogue
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Euhhmmm, touch dual (Vogue) does have HSPDA... Only the elf doesnt, but that is the older model. The Vogue is the follow up of the ELF.
But anyway..
Thanks for the info.
Still not sure wich one im gonna take
Edit The Vogue is also missing WIFI. So, it misses 128mb, GPS and WIFI.
Thats a big miss, my vote goes to the Polaris...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Vogue
of cause the wiki of this site is hardly failable but it say that it's
edge and gsm only
also before i checked that wiki i believed the vogue to be only cdma (the american cellphone network which is not gsm)
maybe the vogue forum could bring light to what network it really use
but if it lack wifi which is also strange since elf's wiki say it have that
Rudegar said:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Vogue
of cause the wiki of this site is hardly failable but it say that it's
edge and gsm only
also before i checked that wiki i believed the vogue to be only cdma (the american cellphone network which is not gsm)
maybe the vogue forum could bring light to what network it really use
but if it lack wifi which is also strange since elf's wiki say it have that
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About the hsdpa on the vogue: Vogue page on a other site, translated to english with google translate (orig: dutch)
About the touch dual with / without wifi: Same site, also translated with google
Look at the end of the page, where all the specs are.
This is one of the more respected online shops for PDA's in the Netherlands. So i suppose there information is right. And i dont think they disabled wifi for our country only. Because the usage of wifi is totaly legal here (some countries does not allow it).
Howwww...
Now i see... Im talking about the vogue...
But the vogue isnt the same as the HTC touch dual (Vogue = P3050, Touch Dual = P5500)
That would explain some mis understandings...
So im comparing between the P3650 (aka Polaris) and the P5500 (Touch Dual... Build name?¿?).
Wich in my eye, the P3650 is the better one.
EDIT:
P5500 Aka Touch Dual == HTC Niki
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=736
Its clear for me...
I Go for the Polaris...
Just because its the one with the most features.
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=801&id2=736
hello
Somone try wirte to vox rom from s730 ? or can be it relly and meby work or not ? its to same smart and difrents are more ram faster cpu and gps ( but vox to have "gps" ;D )
Meby its good idea to get new rom's to vox or if cant be use from wings meby remake something and then be work
sorry for my eng;/
Seeing as a lot of s730 users complain about very low memory on their devices I wouldn't want to try adaptating the whole rom to the Vox
However I already stole some nice things from it, like rsshub which is very good.
Mh RSS hub is an old version of NewsBreak!
Dr. Martin Gonzo said:
Seeing as a lot of s730 users complain about very low memory on their devices I wouldn't want to try adaptating the whole rom to the Vox
However I already stole some nice things from it, like rsshub which is very good.
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128 ram on wm06 and low memory ? meby they dont have vox ;D hehe
PS. rss hub its in 3dmenu pack
But newsbreak is not free or did I miss something ?
unkown said:
128 ram on wm06 and low memory ? meby they dont have vox ;D hehe
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Actually it's a 64mb ram device.
madds said:
Actually it's a 64mb ram device.
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s730 have 64mb ? i allways hear its 128mb ;| so if have low memory its lake vox and meby on rom from s730 vox will better work
Yes you are right, it isn't free! And RSSHub has nearly the same features!
never really got why they made the s730 with 64mb (if you are correct)...i mean most smartphones nowadays are embedded wtih 128mb are they not? would be awesome if my vox had 128 always finding myself cleaning the vox to save memory
oh and with teh s730 being thicker than the s710 does the s730 offer anything more than more storage and faster cpu?
makaveli86 said:
oh and with teh s730 being thicker than the s710 does the s730 offer anything more than more storage and faster cpu?
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the things missing from S710 ... GPS, 3G
I searched for it and cant find it. I also looked at duttys cabs and saw nothing in there. Anyone know where this cab is??
i havent tried this yey but here it is
Thanks!! Where did you get it?!
iceman4357 said:
Thanks!! Where did you get it?!
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i found it a few months ago in one of the kaiser overclock threads
What does it do?
Can you post the link to the original thread?
Thanks.
it is from another forum site... i cant remember the name. LCS just implented this into his new rom. I have it installed on the new sleuth wm6.1 rom and i personally cant see a difference. not only that, but... I ran a benchmark today and also saw no difference. this cab is about as helpful as the htc_d3dm.dll
its designed for a different processor... all in all, its a placebo. unless im somehow not activating it right. but idk, try it out for yourself... it doesnt harm the device and is pretty self explanatory how to activate it as far i know...
hope that helps
Thanks
I searched for this cab in the forums but couldn't find it (even using the google search option).
If this is some overclocking function, then I won't try it.
laurentius has the benchmarks with this activated at 520 mhz. it does make a bit of difference. here is the link and the benchmarks are in the 2nd post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=366014
lildogg said:
laurentius has the benchmarks with this activated at 520 mhz. it does make a bit of difference. here is the link and the benchmarks are in the 2nd post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=366014
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His benchmarks prove there is nothing special about this, as there is less than 2% difference on all benchmarks which can be attributed to statistical margin of error.
If you don't believe in margin of error, then his benchmarks tell you that HTC performance makes things WORSE! The numbers below were extracted from his thread, with the before on the left, after on the right, and the bolded stuff being the loser.
242.1398 vs 241.7512
5.479 vs 5.477
494 vs 490
736 vs 728
11614.37 vs 11770.11
12880.50 vs 13044.59
603.65 vs 601.82
9337.39 vs 9266.97
1505 vs 806
2573 vs 2596
2561 vs 5884 (lower is better)
Out of 11 tests, 8 of those tests scored higher WITHOUT HTC Performance enabled.
_Alex_ said:
His benchmarks prove there is nothing special about this, as there is less than 2% difference on all benchmarks which can be attributed to statistical margin of error.
If you don't believe in margin of error, then his benchmarks tell you that HTC performance makes things WORSE! The numbers below were extracted from his thread, with the before on the left, after on the right, and the bolded stuff being the loser.
242.1398 vs 241.7512
5.479 vs 5.477
494 vs 490
736 vs 728
11614.37 vs 11770.11
12880.50 vs 13044.59
603.65 vs 601.82
9337.39 vs 9266.97
1505 vs 806
2573 vs 2596
2561 vs 5884 (lower is better)
Out of 11 tests, 8 of those tests scored higher WITHOUT HTC Performance enabled.
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glad to hear that im not crazy, i can take my flame proof jacket off now lol
I guess this has not been run on a Stock rom?
Any chance it could perfrom better? Was it only CPU set at 520 vs 400 mhZ?
ceevee369 said:
I guess this has not been run on a Stock rom?
Any chance it could perfrom better? Was it only CPU set at 520 vs 400 mhZ?
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If you have nothing better to do, you are welcome to try. It won't make a bit of difference if its run on WM6, WM6.1 or WM7.0, shipped or cooked. HTC performance doesn't work on Kaisers (or Apache, or a bunch of other devices too)...
_Alex_ said:
If you have nothing better to do, you are welcome to try. It won't make a bit of difference if its run on WM6, WM6.1 or WM7.0, shipped or cooked. HTC performance doesn't work on Kaisers (or Apache, or a bunch of other devices too)...
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Thanks for the advise. I have other more important things to do. getting us all better video drivers for example
So, high performance Cab goes down the drain right now
one thing u could do is install custel's mobile crack file.. it really speeds slueth's 6.1 build up...like faster then dutty stuff
jakeypoo said:
one thing u could do is install custel's mobile crack file.. it really speeds slueth's 6.1 build up...like faster then dutty stuff
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Custel's mobile crack is the same as using KaiserTweak and changing the three cache settings.
The name 'mobile crack' is easier to remember than 'file system cache', 'file system filter cache' and 'gdi/font cache'.
Hi _Alex_,
Maybe you're right but I do notice a nice speed improvement when activated!
Cheers,
Leo
_Alex_ said:
His benchmarks prove there is nothing special about this, as there is less than 2% difference on all benchmarks which can be attributed to statistical margin of error.
If you don't believe in margin of error, then his benchmarks tell you that HTC performance makes things WORSE! The numbers below were extracted from his thread, with the before on the left, after on the right, and the bolded stuff being the loser.
242.1398 vs 241.7512
5.479 vs 5.477
494 vs 490
736 vs 728
11614.37 vs 11770.11
12880.50 vs 13044.59
603.65 vs 601.82
9337.39 vs 9266.97
1505 vs 806
2573 vs 2596
2561 vs 5884 (lower is better)
Out of 11 tests, 8 of those tests scored higher WITHOUT HTC Performance enabled.
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Laurentius26 said:
Hi _Alex_,
Maybe you're right but I do notice a nice speed improvement when activated!
Cheers,
Leo
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And you can read another 191 posts about how the Apache folks at PPCGeeks argued over how it improved the speed of their devices too. My favorite quote is:
not mesurable via cpu tests, or wall clocks. Just oozes "feeling" mojo into your head. Works for me. 624 is too much mojo for me though, I really only am comfortable feeling like its 520...
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2%
Hi _Alex_
I did both Benchmarks after a softreset and same situation on both times!
For me every improvement is an improvement, even if it's for you 'just a 2%'.
Regards,
Leo
Laurentius26 said:
Hi _Alex_
I did both Benchmarks after a softreset and same situation on both times!
For me every improvement is an improvement, even if it's for you 'just a 2%'.
Regards,
Leo
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It's not an improvement though.
Like I said, if you don't believe in the margin of error of 2% and look at the raw numbers, 8 out of 11 tests show that it was -2%, which means only the remaining 3 out of 11 was +2%.
So you're willing to sacrifice 16% loss in other areas for 6% gain in others? That's a -10% result.
Ok... that's a good point!
In my next release I will remove it.
I'm only human haha...
Thank you
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It's not an improvement though.
Like I said, if you don't believe in the margin of error of 2% and look at the raw numbers, 8 out of 11 tests show that it was -2%, which means only the remaining 3 out of 11 was +2%.
So you're willing to sacrifice 16% loss in other areas for 6% gain in others? That's a -10% result.
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Hi!
Is someone working on a new windows version for Uni? Where are the CHEFs? It's been some time now that we have no new version for our beloved Uni. It seems that either the CHEFs are busy working to bring something good for the Uni or have the great CHEFs departed the forum. Please, do come up and let us test something new, to enjoy a new build of WM6.5 or WM7.
Looking forward to have something tempting for our Uni.
Yes, it would be nice to have a new ROM!
Tomal still active, I read a post from Thingonaspring too.
Hope they have something on the oven
Things are slowing down big style on this forum though, Im just starting to go through all the roms to find the best to suit my needs and stick with it. the only thing i was considering was the 128mb upgrade IF its worth doing, not sure on that one though. anyone who has had an upgrade would like to comment i would be grateful.
Jay
@responderman
If you want to find out what 128mb is like, just flash a 128mb rom to your 64mb uni. It'll work fine and you'll be able to see the benefits of having no pagepool (it's a lot quicker). The only drawback is that with no memory management the phone will crash a lot when memory fills up. So just do a test, see what you think then flash back to 64mb rom.
thingonaspring said:
@responderman
If you want to find out what 128mb is like, just flash a 128mb rom to your 64mb uni. It'll work fine and you'll be able to see the benefits of having no pagepool (it's a lot quicker). The only drawback is that with no memory management the phone will crash a lot when memory fills up. So just do a test, see what you think then flash back to 64mb rom.
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Hi Thingonaspring,
Thanks for the heads up, I shall try that.
Regards
Jay
So, If WM7 gonna be able to run on uni?
Coz am thinking of changing to HD2 when WM7 is released, unless we can get it for uni
Simon_WM said:
So, If WM7 gonna be able to run on uni?
Coz am thinking of changing to HD2 when WM7 is released, unless we can get it for uni
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I guess no as the minimum specs are too high for WM7.
*****
this is not good, looks like i will be getting HD2 then.
That's not good at all, but I like the QWERTY keyboard and form factor of my Universal, so I will stay with it HD2 is good hardware platform, but it's not for me.
true,
Uni has good features, like a Full QWERTY key board.
which the HD2 dosen't do,
Although HD2 has bigger screen, Bigger Memmory, Better Camera, Touchflo 3D G-Senor
Whic are the main things i really now like :/
Win_XP said:
That's not good at all, but I like the QWERTY keyboard and form factor of my Universal, so I will stay with it HD2 is good hardware platform, but it's not for me.
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Same here, no keyboard is no interest for me, even if it´s a 1ghz processor...
I have a Rhodium and it´s great but still miss the great form factos of unbeatable Uni!!
Hi Mr. Cotulla
What you think about Windows 7
in 02 xda mini 2.
i think you mean windows phone 7 series, and that would be awesome but you would need to at least wait for a few months before being able to even see if the magician is capable of running it.
noway it needs too much ram and processor speed
evildarknight said:
noway it needs too much ram and processor speed
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we don't know what it need, the only thing we know it needs is a capacitive touchscreen (which we don't have)
you may check it on there
http://www.gsmarena.com/minimum_hardware_requirements_for_windows_phone_7_revealed-news-1470.php
there is no maybe for processor speed and graphics acceleration is mandatory
hack
Cotulla is better programmer.
i think He can. Edit or Change resource
Like W.m 6.5
asmOne said:
Cotulla is better programmer.
i think He can. Edit or Change resource
Like W.m 6.5
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i would once again take my hat off if he does that
even if i do not owe this phone anymore
asmOne said:
Cotulla is better programmer.
i think He can. Edit or Change resource
Like W.m 6.5
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Even if he port it, it would lag and be unusable. Forget it.