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HTC Atom - We're not alone ..... WM5 for Magician

Magician's new born bother in November, our solid new hope for WM5.
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/index.php?action=expand,43089
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Even though it looks so very similar to our Magician, they are not related. This is a copy made by another manufacturer, so I doubt they share the same hardware. Different hardware = different drivers = Atom WM5 no go on the Magician

Plus the Atom has 128 MB ROM, needed for WM5. 64 MB just is too small, considering that WM5 takes 85 MB on the Jasjar

Koksie said:
Plus the Atom has 128 MB ROM, needed for WM5. 64 MB just is too small, considering that WM5 takes 85 MB on the Jasjar
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Microsoft claims it will work on 64MB. Something to do with executing in place.

HBK said:
Even though it looks so very similar to our Magician, they are not related. This is a copy made by another manufacturer, so I doubt they share the same hardware. Different hardware = different drivers = Atom WM5 no go on the Magician
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Quanta Atom is actually the HTC Athena.
Look likes we finally got some clarity on this new device. It's by HTC.
Chances of portability are again better, but there may be differences in the camera, audio, and memory configuration that will need to be sorted out if one is to port the ROM image over to the Magician. Hopefully the hacker(s) won't end up bricking their device.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4306.html
The HTC Athena (Quanta Atom) is reported to have the following features:
Windows Mobile 5.0
XScale PXA272 at 416MHz
Wi-Fi
Bluetooth
GSM/GPRS/EDGE
FM Radio
2.1MP camera
slimmer dimensions than HTC Magician

I just saw that too. I was finding it kinda weird that another company could get away with a rip off design like that
I agree that this could change things a bit. It looks like the hardware is basically the same as the Magician, so theoretically the ROM could run on the Magician, although of course a few things wouldn't work. But irl the chance of running the ROM from a different phone seems very small...

I read somewhere that the T-Mobile version of the Qtek S110 (128MB) would get WM5 as well.
That one is identical to the magician (except for the memory!)

I still think our best bet for the present would be the Raptor ROM (short of it not existing). A forbidden topic though.
That aside, certainly, if the 128MB Magician gets WM5, one would see no impediment in its function on current Magicians.

kneeslasher said the R-word!
No, seriously I can't see the R-ROM ever happening. It's been 14 days now, so even the most optimistic among us surely can smell a rotten rat by now.
There has been no official word frm HTC about WM5 for any of the present devices, so I think the S110 update is just wishful thinking.
Can't wait for someone to prove me wrong, though

WM5 on XDA II, any good?

At the moment, I'm using hx2490 with 1.02 ROM from hx2490b. It runs fine so far except some annoying Acrobat Reader bug and some problems on other apps. XDA II is quite cheap here and I see a lot of progress in WM5. I would like to know if WM5 in XDA II has anything better than my current device to make me consider switching to it (I have cell phone so don't count about phoning). Is it really fast as WM2003?
Thanks.

no 2005 is slower then 2003(se)
on any device not just himalaya
it have more eye candy
ms dont feel they have to optimize as much
when faster and faster cpu's comes out
2005 devices in general use flash as storage
and thats slower then the ram 2003 flavours use
so as faster no
but it dont loose data at hardreset
and got some nice features here and there

i just flashed the wm5 rom on my blue angel. (XdaII)
to be precise this one
Helmi_WM2k5_AKU3.2_32mb_v1.3.2_16mb_bitpool_32mbRamdisk
i'll tell you now this RULEZ!!!
i dunno about all the techinical malaki but in reality when i'm using this i find that it runs just as fast as wm2003se because of mamaich's wonderful find about sum pagepool memory watever.
all i know is that without overclocking its just as fast and with a few tweaks with pocket hack master 2006 i get it at almost 600mhz and it is definately MUCH zippier.
i tell ya ppl may ***** about the 2005 slowing down n stuff but in my experience it is definately worth it.
neway hope that answers ur question
l8r

Could you tell me about pocket hack master 2006?

http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=7258
thats pretty much everything u need to know without buying it n tryin it out, beleive me its worth every cent!
u can scan for speed settings, it takes like 20 mins but when its done u have heaps of speeds to choose from that u set as favorites to quick select from the toolbar. its really simple to use and i think quite powerful.
for example it used to take me 5-10 seconds to load roms on 2003se from storage using
pocket gba, now on 2005 with phm it takes around 3 seconds.
and u can put the speed down to save battery. even if ur using 2003 this tool is well worth it...cough*it pwnz xcpu scalar*cough

spec wise, which is better? tytn, tytn or wing?

Hey guys,
My friend wants to get a PPC and he wants to know which phone is better spec wise.
like which one runs faster.
tytn, tytn 2 or wing?
if you know can you put them in order from < (least to greatest)?
Thanks

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Kaiser
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Atlas

Thanks
so i assume the wing is better then them? since it's the last one.
also, where can i find the Atlas? my friend doesn't like the blue on the wing.
Thanks

Ray_jai said:
Thanks
so i assume the wing is better then them? since it's the last one.
also, where can i find the Atlas? my friend doesn't like the blue on the wing.
Thanks
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The atlas is the wing. The "non blue" version of the wing is the herald.

OOO, i see.
Thanks
how come the Wing's CPU speed is lower then the rest?
why do I have the feeling he put the list from > (greatest to least) and not <
Thanks

Ray_jai said:
OOO, i see.
Thanks
how come the Wing's CPU speed is lower then the rest?
why do I have the feeling he put the list from > (greatest to least) and not <
Thanks
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The wing has an omap 850 which is god awful slow, its also got only 64mb's of ram. tytn2>tytn>atlas

T-Mobile Says the Processor is just fine.
Ray_jai said:
OOO, i see.
Thanks
how come the Wing's CPU speed is lower then the rest?
why do I have the feeling he put the list from > (greatest to least) and not <
Thanks
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The explanation that the T-Mobile officials gives for the Wing's 200mhz processor is that, the Wing dosen't need a 400mHz processor. The Tytn and Tytn 2 both have 3G support hence that requires a faster processor, but T-Mobile dosen't support 3G in first place so the processor power for that is uneccesary.

kweng_ca said:
The wing has an omap 850 which is god awful slow, its also got only 64mb's of ram. tytn2>tytn>atlas
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i really don't find it that slow, it works just fine for me. You might have too many things running at the same time or too many Start up items.

i did put the best first and
a faster cpu is always better
for video games and general performance
though kaiser is missing a driver so
it got some performance issues

Ray_jai said:
Hey guys,
My friend wants to get a PPC and he wants to know which phone is better spec wise.
like which one runs faster.
tytn, tytn 2 or wing?
if you know can you put them in order from < (least to greatest)?
Thanks
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There is no "best" one. If you want power then Tytn 2 is the best one. If you want looks and a slim phone then the Wing is. The Tilt(Tytn 2 in America) is also heaver than the wing. So you have a choice of look and feel v/s power. Also if you are planning to use T-Mobile, then some of the Tytn 2's features are useless, same with the first Tytn.

the wing prob also last longer on a charge
but specwise is prob a pure hardware feature and power question more of an usability or requirement question

Rudegar said:
the wing prob also last longer on a charge
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possibly, since a less powerfull processor requires less battery to run.

256MB RAM for Uni - Is it Possible?

Hi!
I have upgraded my Uni with 128MB RAM. I understand that there is extra provision for additional RAM on UNI. Can anybody confirm that the two 64MB RAM chips from Blue Angel can be used on the free space available on Uni and can it be upgraded to 256MB RAM.
Feed back and guidance needed in this respect.
Regards,
Haque

People seem to be saying it's not possible. That 128MB is the maximum. However I remember being around in the forum when people were saying you couldn't upgrade to 128MB and others found a way to do this.
I think this would need a reply from someone who knows the hardware better. (Me, I'm still wondering what the two blank spaces could be used for... and for when someone builds a small GPS chip that can be plugged somewhere inside my Uni!!... dream on!).

-Jonny- said:
...I'm still wondering what the two blank spaces could be used for... and for when someone builds a small GPS chip that can be plugged somewhere inside my Uni!!... dream on!).
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Those blank spaces are for GPS chip, which HTC didn't include. You can install the chips but it will not work because a radio rom with GPS FW has never been released for Uni.
regards

tomal said:
Those blank spaces are for GPS chip, which HTC didn't include. You can install the chips but it will not work because a radio rom with GPS FW has never been released for Uni.
regards
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Damn, I saw that Tomal replied and hoped that I will come to this thread and he'll say something along the lines of 'Yes, we successfully installed 2 128Mb RAM chips and I am testing them now with a new ROM, will let you all know how it went and offer an upgrade to people who want to get one'
Even my Elf can pinpoint my location on Google Maps, my Uni can't. Outrageous

Some time ago I have a chat conversation with one russian guy (Mo3ulla) and he has 256 RAM on the Uni (bga chips from notebook) and running Windows CE (custom port, never comes to public), so it seems it's possible, but not for public

A light!!
Well,
If that is actually true there is hope that can be done!!
Hope someone can publish this soon!
I´ll ask mo3ulla
Thanks for the tip,

Interesting reading this thread - especially this post
I don't know if the guys are still around - it was only 18 months ago.

Well i would think someone will get the way around to get it done .....

Win_XP said:
Some time ago I have a chat conversation with one russian guy (Mo3ulla) and he has 256 RAM on the Uni (bga chips from notebook) and running Windows CE (custom port, never comes to public), so it seems it's possible, but not for public
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May be you are right.
But if something is not published publicly then it may not be fully true....just my thought.

Mamaich did the original work on patching the Kernel to allow access to the 128mb ram, if bigger chips are available for the two slots then there is no reason why the memory can't be further upgraded, it would however require another kernel update to allow access to the extra memory.
The same goes for the GPS slot, if someone was willing to install the GPS chip and patch the radio stack, there's no reason why the Uni couldn't have a GPS chip.
The only problem you have is that the Uni has been around for far too long now and all the Guru's have moved on to other devices.
Try convincing someone to spend months patching an old device to have the features already available in newer devices............ you would be better inserting a new mainboard into the Uni chasis........
Cheers,
Beasty

Thanks for your clarification Beasty!
Well, I would love to convince a master to do this hard task, just want to know who can be a candidate.
And on the other hand we should rise a nice donation so we can encourage him!
I offer myself to rise the money to convince him/her
So any recomendation is welcome!
Later I´ll set up a new thread for the donation in case this makes any positive progress.
Cheers,

I'd certainly donate towards anyone getting GPS inside my Uni if it helped. However, I think as Beasty says, I don't think it's going to be money, but someones time.

Time is not a problem as long as somebody really want to go deep in it
I can wait the longest as it takes and I´ll be just a happy pacient Uni user!
$ can incentivate
Let´s how all this move forwards...

You will be hard pushed to find a candidate willing to take on this task for you.
There are not many developers here who are capable of both the hardware and software modifications required.
Don't get me wrong, there are some very good devs in these forums, but this sort of mod requires a lot of low level hardware and software knowledge.
Your best chance if you really are serious about trying to find someone to do this is head over to Darkforces and make a post there.
Really you would need Mamaich, Ivan or Helmi (to mention a few.....if you can track them down) as they are all more than capable of what you want.
To be honest though, you probably have more chance of getting HTC to do it for you..............
It would still be easier to port a new mainboard into the Uni housing (more than enough room in there for most of the current devices on the market to fit............... perhaps you should also consider this as it is a more practical move than trying to upgrade a dying device.
I love my Uni as much as the rest of you guys here, but there comes a point when you just have to move on.
Over the years we have patched the hell out of the kernel and drivers for the Uni and to be honest the code is quite a mess now, far from optimised.
Good luck and keep this thread updated with any news you have on progressing this issue as I would be very interested if you found someone willing to take on this challenge.
I know first hand how messy all the drivers and patched oem files and XIP are in the Uni and it will be a monumentous task.
Cheers,
Beasty

Beasty is right, as we all know, but if we take in account what was written in Orb's thread about Uni vs new devices there are a lot of us that are not satisfied with the performance/cost of the latest, me included.
How can it be possible to release a device and i can't even play avi with it?
Runing the same apps on both devices, I can't notice a real improvement in terms of speed. memory we know that's short...
My HD is nice, but as I told, I would prefer the Uni with 256, even being a lot bigger.
Unfortunately we (Uni) suffer from oldness, and we will have to move on...

ultravox said:
Beasty is right, as we all know, but if we take in account what was written in Orb's thread about Uni vs new devices there are a lot of us that are not satisfied with the performance/cost of the latest, me included.
How can it be possible to release a device and i can't even play avi with it?
Runing the same apps on both devices, I can't notice a real improvement in terms of speed. memory we know that's short...
My HD is nice, but as I told, I would prefer the Uni with 256, even being a lot bigger.
Unfortunately we (Uni) suffer from oldness, and we will have to move on...
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I agree the current Qualcomm chipsets are not up to par, mainly down to driver issues rather than the hardware. Don't forget our Uni's run off an Intel XScale and not a Qualcomm.
1st quarter of next year should see some decent releases of the new hardware Tegra and Snapdragon with 12mp cams, 1 ghz cpus and video recording at 720p, perhaps then the Uni will finally have a decent replacement.
I must say though that my Rhodium is no slug, the keyboard is nice and big more than enough ram (GPS is functional, though not great it does the job satisfactorily) I can't really say I miss the Uni that much after switching over to the Rhodium................ each to their own.
Hold out till next year and be tempted with the new hardware.
Cheers,
Beasty

Does the Qualcomm have a serial or USB port (USB host)? I have no idea but I know that much older chips did have (Intel StrongArm in HP Jornada for example - but was not used and also PXA250 have it). If yes and if it can be found somewhere on the PCB of the UNI, then this can be used for GPS connection, or something else. Just an idea....

kerda said:
Does the Qualcomm have a serial or USB port (USB host)? I have no idea but I know that much older chips did have (Intel StrongArm in HP Jornada for example - but was not used and also PXA250 have it). If yes and if it can be found somewhere on the PCB of the UNI, then this can be used for GPS connection, or something else. Just an idea....
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Both the Qualcomm and XScale can support USB host, they just require the correct drivers, the functions are available just need to be accessed via a driver. The problem the Uni has is that it has no built in GPS Chip, there is a placeholder on the mobo for a GPS chip, it was just never added. There were rumours that some of the very early Uni's (G3) had a chip but not activated.......... Personally I have never seen proof of this.
You can still use external GPS on Uni (as many do) via BT or USB/Serial connection. You do not need USB Host service for this function.
Cheers,
Beasty

Why try to upgrade Uni while has HTC X7500, X7501 and X7510
Let buy them...! (":')...!
See :
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474

hunter79 said:
Why try to upgrade Uni while has HTC X7500, X7501 and X7510
Let buy them...! (":')...!
See :
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474
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Because we like our Unis....?

Suggestion of ROM

I'm waiting for my XDA Exec to come
Can anyone suggest a good ROM with long battery life, short of bugs with lot RAM memory for a good start with Uni? I'm not new to Windows Mobile but only to Universal's forum and don't know much about ROMs for 64mb RAM mem. Every I find new is for 128mb recommended amount of RAM.
No matter if it's 6.1, 6.0, 5.0 but 6.5 takes too much memory for 64mb RAM device i think and wouldn't be good but i love colour background in menu

Go for Tomal WM6.1 8.2 or 8.5 versions
Those ROM´s are very stable and good performance and battery life

Yep!
Tomal dose amazinbg Stable and quick running ROM

I'll have a pdaViet ROM but don't know what one exactly for that moment.
Just waiting to come a parcel via mail.
PS. Someone will ask me why I bought Uni not something new
It's one of the best PDA at low price (toshi g900 is good too but have smaller screen dimensions) and I bought a modem so WiFi and big screen would be good to Internet browsing and a hardware keyboard is good for that too.

Well to suggest i'll go for Tomal or Luca15thebig. as they are the 2 most active chefs here in uni so you can expect lots of surprises from them...

Thanks for your help guys
I'll test Tomal and Luca15thebig roms. PDAViet Rom that I have now is good too, without bugs and Ram almost always stay on 27mb free. Don't know how's with battery life because my ac adapter came broken and I have to wait for a week to change to another.

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I'm using Tmobile + SDhc support on wm5 - the fastest, most responsive and most stable rom I've tried so far. Being using it with 8GB for some days now and no hang up, everything just works smoothly fine. If only someone could add flash disk on it, this would be definitely awesome!!
Check the thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=570374

Final5k said:
I'm using Tmobile + SDhc support on wm5 - the fastest, most responsive and most stable rom I've tried so far. Being using it with 8GB for some days now and no hang up, everything just works smoothly fine. If only someone could add flash disk on it, this would be definitely awesome!!
Check the thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=570374
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yes wm5 roms are stable as it was originally used in uni.. but wm 6.X were ported and does add more functionality are fast and stable depending on the rom... well it's the matter of personal judgment so some might like wm5 some might like 6.1 and some might like 6.5...