Magician's new born bother in November, our solid new hope for WM5.
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/index.php?action=expand,43089
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Even though it looks so very similar to our Magician, they are not related. This is a copy made by another manufacturer, so I doubt they share the same hardware. Different hardware = different drivers = Atom WM5 no go on the Magician
Plus the Atom has 128 MB ROM, needed for WM5. 64 MB just is too small, considering that WM5 takes 85 MB on the Jasjar
Koksie said:
Plus the Atom has 128 MB ROM, needed for WM5. 64 MB just is too small, considering that WM5 takes 85 MB on the Jasjar
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Microsoft claims it will work on 64MB. Something to do with executing in place.
HBK said:
Even though it looks so very similar to our Magician, they are not related. This is a copy made by another manufacturer, so I doubt they share the same hardware. Different hardware = different drivers = Atom WM5 no go on the Magician
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Quanta Atom is actually the HTC Athena.
Look likes we finally got some clarity on this new device. It's by HTC.
Chances of portability are again better, but there may be differences in the camera, audio, and memory configuration that will need to be sorted out if one is to port the ROM image over to the Magician. Hopefully the hacker(s) won't end up bricking their device.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4306.html
The HTC Athena (Quanta Atom) is reported to have the following features:
Windows Mobile 5.0
XScale PXA272 at 416MHz
Wi-Fi
Bluetooth
GSM/GPRS/EDGE
FM Radio
2.1MP camera
slimmer dimensions than HTC Magician
I just saw that too. I was finding it kinda weird that another company could get away with a rip off design like that
I agree that this could change things a bit. It looks like the hardware is basically the same as the Magician, so theoretically the ROM could run on the Magician, although of course a few things wouldn't work. But irl the chance of running the ROM from a different phone seems very small...
I read somewhere that the T-Mobile version of the Qtek S110 (128MB) would get WM5 as well.
That one is identical to the magician (except for the memory!)
I still think our best bet for the present would be the Raptor ROM (short of it not existing). A forbidden topic though.
That aside, certainly, if the 128MB Magician gets WM5, one would see no impediment in its function on current Magicians.
kneeslasher said the R-word!
No, seriously I can't see the R-ROM ever happening. It's been 14 days now, so even the most optimistic among us surely can smell a rotten rat by now.
There has been no official word frm HTC about WM5 for any of the present devices, so I think the S110 update is just wishful thinking.
Can't wait for someone to prove me wrong, though
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Some days ago i tried to replace memory chips in HTC Magician to increase memory to 128mb, but i had a problem.
After replacement the system has not seen full volume.... only 64mb
May be somebody know how to make it?
Regular BGA RAM p/n hyb25l256160ac-7.5 x 2 (2*32mb)
Upgrade BGA RAM p/n hyb25l512160ac-7.5 x 2 (2x64mb)
i don't think you can stack the memory on the magician. is that what you have done? according to the ppctechs website you can't do it.
http://www.pocketpctechs.com/detail.asp?Product_ID=JAM-064-128RAM
I used chips of the same manufacturer... the same series... only greater volume.
It is not necessary to modify any in ROM... as at loading OS it defines how many memory is installed. Here problem in other... In old IPAQs it is necessary to move some resistor .... A question only what
According to ppctechs, they replace the 64mb chip with a 128mb chip, not 2x 64mb chips. you may need to use a 128mb chip.
no comments.
P.S. look at hardware pictures.
how can i download the magician
Download what?
You have to rub the magic lamp 3 times while closing your eyes and facing north.
tupisdin said:
Some days ago i tried to replace memory chips in HTC Magician to increase memory to 128mb, but i had a problem.
After replacement the system has not seen full volume.... only 64mb
May be somebody know how to make it?
Regular BGA RAM p/n hyb25l256160ac-7.5 x 2 (2*32mb)
Upgrade BGA RAM p/n hyb25l512160ac-7.5 x 2 (2x64mb)
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Where can you buy those RAM-modules?
BTW, maybe the instructions can give you any hints in where you have gone wrong and if you need any resistors etc:
http://www.infineon.com/cmc_upload/documents/011/8819/HYB25L128160AC_2003-02.pdf
i think that you need some kind of softwere to make it work
i copyed this from ppc techs:
Q: Are your upgrades compatible with Pocket PC 2003?
A: Our upgrades have been fully tested with the release version of Pocket PC 2003 and are completely compatible. On most systems, PPC2003 does not support the 128MB natively, so our proprietary driver is still required. You will need a new copy of the driver for 2003. To obtain a new copy from us, please do the following:
Install your current version of the T2T Driver and soft-reset the system. Next, go into T2T Utility, turn on debug mode, exit the utility and soft-reset the system. Then email the T2TDisk.txt file located in the \Temp directory to [email protected] with a note requesting a 2003 driver.
I have an upgraded JAM by PPC Techs, and I can tell you that the T2T driver is NOT needed for this upgrade. (It was needed for my iPaq 4350 that I had upgraded last year)
PS And No, I am not going to open up my JAM to take pictures
tupisdin,
I admire your guts for taking on this job. I really hope you get it running
Partminer.
crisscross said:
tupisdin said:
Some days ago i tried to replace memory chips in HTC Magician to increase memory to 128mb, but i had a problem.
After replacement the system has not seen full volume.... only 64mb
May be somebody know how to make it?
Regular BGA RAM p/n hyb25l256160ac-7.5 x 2 (2*32mb)
Upgrade BGA RAM p/n hyb25l512160ac-7.5 x 2 (2x64mb)
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Where can you buy those RAM-modules?
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Thank you very much! A description on how you did it, the equipment you used for soldering etc. would be highly interesting also. If you manage to get the extra ram working this is very good news!
tupisdin said:
Partminer.
crisscross said:
tupisdin said:
Some days ago i tried to replace memory chips in HTC Magician to increase memory to 128mb, but i had a problem.
After replacement the system has not seen full volume.... only 64mb
May be somebody know how to make it?
Regular BGA RAM p/n hyb25l256160ac-7.5 x 2 (2*32mb)
Upgrade BGA RAM p/n hyb25l512160ac-7.5 x 2 (2x64mb)
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Where can you buy those RAM-modules?
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Sorry no success.
May be someone know how we can solve tis problem.
hay , i also wanna do this upgrade :- ) , but its wierd , acording to pics original was 2x32Mb .... so should work like you did 2x64....
can you also tell us how u desoldered the originals out and put new in
hi, i am new here. I owned a O2 Mini.
Like alot of u guys here, I am also using wifi and the internal memory is definitely not enough. Is it easy to open up the magician and install the ram ourselves or do we need to send it to ppctech?
I am from singapore and there is no ppctech here....
anyone can share (if best with pictures) how to open the magician and replace the ram.
thanks and cheers!
so wots happening wid the DIY memory upgrade .... anyone got it to work yet?
I've a little question, some time ago I've crashed my 2020, I can use the ram of this device on my s100?
Sorry if this is old news but this looks like a magician (Qtek S110, i-mate Jam 128mb) with WM 5.0 could we use this ROM?
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/handhelds/0,39029444,39194767,00.htm
This device has 128 of RAM, and not 64 (as first devices like i-mate JAM for example). The problem of upgrading to WM 5.0 is how WM 5.0 manages memory of the device. In old WM versions 64 MB of RAM has been used for both storage and operational memory and we have/had the ability to adjust both kinds of memory (sizes) dynamically. Now is different. Both memories are completely independent (as it is on the PC). And the reason for not seeing any update for the ROM of 64 MB devices to WM 5.0 is that there is actually not enough memory. This is the easiest for understanding explanation. There is more detail clarification but it’s also more technical one.
My Qtek S110 has 128mb as does the charcoal (grey/gunmetal) coloured I-mate Jam. As long as this new model only has 64mb ROM I would imaging the new ROM will work
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Nope. I don't think the internal device have drivers for the original S110.
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Yeah just noticed its got an OMAP processor
I'll get me coat :?
Hello everyone
recently Everex has announced the release of WM5 for their E900 pocket pc to be distributed on cdz. the specs of of the E900 and the XDA II mini are exactly the same they only differ when it comes to the type of the processor.
I hopeit is just a matter of dumping the rom from the E900 and installing it on the XDA II mini.
cheers
Well theres your answer, the fact that the processors are different make it a whole lot harder for that rom to work on the magician. As for your thread title, the charmer already has wm5.
yeah but what i meant was a generic version of WM5 that works on the i-mate jam charcoal for example, i don't think i'll be happy with a ripped copy of the t-mobile version of WM5 on my PDA
You can't just have a generic version of an OS, it is all hardware dependant (which is why there are different OSs for Apple, x86 and x64 systems)
so what you're saying is that until someone takes the time to cook up a WM5 version for an imate jam (charcoal), WM5 will still be a dream for imate jam (charcoal) users?
yup
7d5 said:
so what you're saying is that until someone takes the time to cook up a WM5 version for an imate jam (charcoal), WM5 will still be a dream for imate jam (charcoal) users?
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It's not going to happen I'm afraid..even though the JAM Special Edition has 128MB RAM, all the RAM will only be catered for running programs as WM5.0
uses the Storage to store everything that used to be in the RAM.
HTC or O2 or I-Mate etc. cannot release the WM5.0 for the Magician because of the way they allocate the Storage space. Just look at O2 Atom and Dopod 818 Pro. Each of them advertised their storage space to be 128MB ROM but Atom only has 22MB free for user and Dopod 40MB free for user.
Look at the Magician, out of 64MB, only 7MB storage is available. So based on what has been released so far, there is no way to fit a WM5.0 into the Magician.
O2mini_noob said:
7d5 said:
so what you're saying is that until someone takes the time to cook up a WM5 version for an imate jam (charcoal), WM5 will still be a dream for imate jam (charcoal) users?
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It's not going to happen I'm afraid..even though the JAM Special Edition has 128MB RAM, all the RAM will only be catered for running programs as WM5.0
uses the Storage to store everything that used to be in the RAM.
HTC or O2 or I-Mate etc. cannot release the WM5.0 for the Magician because of the way they allocate the Storage space. Just look at O2 Atom and Dopod 818 Pro. Each of them advertised their storage space to be 128MB ROM but Atom only has 22MB free for user and Dopod 40MB free for user.
Look at the Magician, out of 64MB, only 7MB storage is available. So based on what has been released so far, there is no way to fit a WM5.0 into the Magician.
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After I have established to the girlfriend on MPx200 WM2005 I shall believe in anything you like.
Hmmmmm...
I just saw that there is an upgrade to HP 21xx PDA-s. These have 64MB ROM only.... So??? I think that the problem is not the size of the ROM.
-KLOUN- said:
O2mini_noob said:
7d5 said:
so what you're saying is that until someone takes the time to cook up a WM5 version for an imate jam (charcoal), WM5 will still be a dream for imate jam (charcoal) users?
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It's not going to happen I'm afraid..even though the JAM Special Edition has 128MB RAM, all the RAM will only be catered for running programs as WM5.0
uses the Storage to store everything that used to be in the RAM.
HTC or O2 or I-Mate etc. cannot release the WM5.0 for the Magician because of the way they allocate the Storage space. Just look at O2 Atom and Dopod 818 Pro. Each of them advertised their storage space to be 128MB ROM but Atom only has 22MB free for user and Dopod 40MB free for user.
Look at the Magician, out of 64MB, only 7MB storage is available. So based on what has been released so far, there is no way to fit a WM5.0 into the Magician.
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After I have established to the girlfriend on MPx200 WM2005 I shall believe in anything you like.
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Hi!
I have upgraded my Uni with 128MB RAM. I understand that there is extra provision for additional RAM on UNI. Can anybody confirm that the two 64MB RAM chips from Blue Angel can be used on the free space available on Uni and can it be upgraded to 256MB RAM.
Feed back and guidance needed in this respect.
Regards,
Haque
People seem to be saying it's not possible. That 128MB is the maximum. However I remember being around in the forum when people were saying you couldn't upgrade to 128MB and others found a way to do this.
I think this would need a reply from someone who knows the hardware better. (Me, I'm still wondering what the two blank spaces could be used for... and for when someone builds a small GPS chip that can be plugged somewhere inside my Uni!!... dream on!).
-Jonny- said:
...I'm still wondering what the two blank spaces could be used for... and for when someone builds a small GPS chip that can be plugged somewhere inside my Uni!!... dream on!).
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Those blank spaces are for GPS chip, which HTC didn't include. You can install the chips but it will not work because a radio rom with GPS FW has never been released for Uni.
regards
tomal said:
Those blank spaces are for GPS chip, which HTC didn't include. You can install the chips but it will not work because a radio rom with GPS FW has never been released for Uni.
regards
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Damn, I saw that Tomal replied and hoped that I will come to this thread and he'll say something along the lines of 'Yes, we successfully installed 2 128Mb RAM chips and I am testing them now with a new ROM, will let you all know how it went and offer an upgrade to people who want to get one'
Even my Elf can pinpoint my location on Google Maps, my Uni can't. Outrageous
Some time ago I have a chat conversation with one russian guy (Mo3ulla) and he has 256 RAM on the Uni (bga chips from notebook) and running Windows CE (custom port, never comes to public), so it seems it's possible, but not for public
A light!!
Well,
If that is actually true there is hope that can be done!!
Hope someone can publish this soon!
I´ll ask mo3ulla
Thanks for the tip,
Interesting reading this thread - especially this post
I don't know if the guys are still around - it was only 18 months ago.
Well i would think someone will get the way around to get it done .....
Win_XP said:
Some time ago I have a chat conversation with one russian guy (Mo3ulla) and he has 256 RAM on the Uni (bga chips from notebook) and running Windows CE (custom port, never comes to public), so it seems it's possible, but not for public
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May be you are right.
But if something is not published publicly then it may not be fully true....just my thought.
Mamaich did the original work on patching the Kernel to allow access to the 128mb ram, if bigger chips are available for the two slots then there is no reason why the memory can't be further upgraded, it would however require another kernel update to allow access to the extra memory.
The same goes for the GPS slot, if someone was willing to install the GPS chip and patch the radio stack, there's no reason why the Uni couldn't have a GPS chip.
The only problem you have is that the Uni has been around for far too long now and all the Guru's have moved on to other devices.
Try convincing someone to spend months patching an old device to have the features already available in newer devices............ you would be better inserting a new mainboard into the Uni chasis........
Cheers,
Beasty
Thanks for your clarification Beasty!
Well, I would love to convince a master to do this hard task, just want to know who can be a candidate.
And on the other hand we should rise a nice donation so we can encourage him!
I offer myself to rise the money to convince him/her
So any recomendation is welcome!
Later I´ll set up a new thread for the donation in case this makes any positive progress.
Cheers,
I'd certainly donate towards anyone getting GPS inside my Uni if it helped. However, I think as Beasty says, I don't think it's going to be money, but someones time.
Time is not a problem as long as somebody really want to go deep in it
I can wait the longest as it takes and I´ll be just a happy pacient Uni user!
$ can incentivate
Let´s how all this move forwards...
You will be hard pushed to find a candidate willing to take on this task for you.
There are not many developers here who are capable of both the hardware and software modifications required.
Don't get me wrong, there are some very good devs in these forums, but this sort of mod requires a lot of low level hardware and software knowledge.
Your best chance if you really are serious about trying to find someone to do this is head over to Darkforces and make a post there.
Really you would need Mamaich, Ivan or Helmi (to mention a few.....if you can track them down) as they are all more than capable of what you want.
To be honest though, you probably have more chance of getting HTC to do it for you..............
It would still be easier to port a new mainboard into the Uni housing (more than enough room in there for most of the current devices on the market to fit............... perhaps you should also consider this as it is a more practical move than trying to upgrade a dying device.
I love my Uni as much as the rest of you guys here, but there comes a point when you just have to move on.
Over the years we have patched the hell out of the kernel and drivers for the Uni and to be honest the code is quite a mess now, far from optimised.
Good luck and keep this thread updated with any news you have on progressing this issue as I would be very interested if you found someone willing to take on this challenge.
I know first hand how messy all the drivers and patched oem files and XIP are in the Uni and it will be a monumentous task.
Cheers,
Beasty
Beasty is right, as we all know, but if we take in account what was written in Orb's thread about Uni vs new devices there are a lot of us that are not satisfied with the performance/cost of the latest, me included.
How can it be possible to release a device and i can't even play avi with it?
Runing the same apps on both devices, I can't notice a real improvement in terms of speed. memory we know that's short...
My HD is nice, but as I told, I would prefer the Uni with 256, even being a lot bigger.
Unfortunately we (Uni) suffer from oldness, and we will have to move on...
ultravox said:
Beasty is right, as we all know, but if we take in account what was written in Orb's thread about Uni vs new devices there are a lot of us that are not satisfied with the performance/cost of the latest, me included.
How can it be possible to release a device and i can't even play avi with it?
Runing the same apps on both devices, I can't notice a real improvement in terms of speed. memory we know that's short...
My HD is nice, but as I told, I would prefer the Uni with 256, even being a lot bigger.
Unfortunately we (Uni) suffer from oldness, and we will have to move on...
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I agree the current Qualcomm chipsets are not up to par, mainly down to driver issues rather than the hardware. Don't forget our Uni's run off an Intel XScale and not a Qualcomm.
1st quarter of next year should see some decent releases of the new hardware Tegra and Snapdragon with 12mp cams, 1 ghz cpus and video recording at 720p, perhaps then the Uni will finally have a decent replacement.
I must say though that my Rhodium is no slug, the keyboard is nice and big more than enough ram (GPS is functional, though not great it does the job satisfactorily) I can't really say I miss the Uni that much after switching over to the Rhodium................ each to their own.
Hold out till next year and be tempted with the new hardware.
Cheers,
Beasty
Does the Qualcomm have a serial or USB port (USB host)? I have no idea but I know that much older chips did have (Intel StrongArm in HP Jornada for example - but was not used and also PXA250 have it). If yes and if it can be found somewhere on the PCB of the UNI, then this can be used for GPS connection, or something else. Just an idea....
kerda said:
Does the Qualcomm have a serial or USB port (USB host)? I have no idea but I know that much older chips did have (Intel StrongArm in HP Jornada for example - but was not used and also PXA250 have it). If yes and if it can be found somewhere on the PCB of the UNI, then this can be used for GPS connection, or something else. Just an idea....
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Both the Qualcomm and XScale can support USB host, they just require the correct drivers, the functions are available just need to be accessed via a driver. The problem the Uni has is that it has no built in GPS Chip, there is a placeholder on the mobo for a GPS chip, it was just never added. There were rumours that some of the very early Uni's (G3) had a chip but not activated.......... Personally I have never seen proof of this.
You can still use external GPS on Uni (as many do) via BT or USB/Serial connection. You do not need USB Host service for this function.
Cheers,
Beasty
Why try to upgrade Uni while has HTC X7500, X7501 and X7510
Let buy them...! (":')...!
See :
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474
hunter79 said:
Why try to upgrade Uni while has HTC X7500, X7501 and X7510
Let buy them...! (":')...!
See :
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474
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Because we like our Unis....?
Hi!
Is someone working on a new windows version for Uni? Where are the CHEFs? It's been some time now that we have no new version for our beloved Uni. It seems that either the CHEFs are busy working to bring something good for the Uni or have the great CHEFs departed the forum. Please, do come up and let us test something new, to enjoy a new build of WM6.5 or WM7.
Looking forward to have something tempting for our Uni.
Yes, it would be nice to have a new ROM!
Tomal still active, I read a post from Thingonaspring too.
Hope they have something on the oven
Things are slowing down big style on this forum though, Im just starting to go through all the roms to find the best to suit my needs and stick with it. the only thing i was considering was the 128mb upgrade IF its worth doing, not sure on that one though. anyone who has had an upgrade would like to comment i would be grateful.
Jay
@responderman
If you want to find out what 128mb is like, just flash a 128mb rom to your 64mb uni. It'll work fine and you'll be able to see the benefits of having no pagepool (it's a lot quicker). The only drawback is that with no memory management the phone will crash a lot when memory fills up. So just do a test, see what you think then flash back to 64mb rom.
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@responderman
If you want to find out what 128mb is like, just flash a 128mb rom to your 64mb uni. It'll work fine and you'll be able to see the benefits of having no pagepool (it's a lot quicker). The only drawback is that with no memory management the phone will crash a lot when memory fills up. So just do a test, see what you think then flash back to 64mb rom.
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Hi Thingonaspring,
Thanks for the heads up, I shall try that.
Regards
Jay
So, If WM7 gonna be able to run on uni?
Coz am thinking of changing to HD2 when WM7 is released, unless we can get it for uni
Simon_WM said:
So, If WM7 gonna be able to run on uni?
Coz am thinking of changing to HD2 when WM7 is released, unless we can get it for uni
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I guess no as the minimum specs are too high for WM7.
*****
this is not good, looks like i will be getting HD2 then.
That's not good at all, but I like the QWERTY keyboard and form factor of my Universal, so I will stay with it HD2 is good hardware platform, but it's not for me.
true,
Uni has good features, like a Full QWERTY key board.
which the HD2 dosen't do,
Although HD2 has bigger screen, Bigger Memmory, Better Camera, Touchflo 3D G-Senor
Whic are the main things i really now like :/
Win_XP said:
That's not good at all, but I like the QWERTY keyboard and form factor of my Universal, so I will stay with it HD2 is good hardware platform, but it's not for me.
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Same here, no keyboard is no interest for me, even if it´s a 1ghz processor...
I have a Rhodium and it´s great but still miss the great form factos of unbeatable Uni!!