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HTC Atom - We're not alone ..... WM5 for Magician

Magician's new born bother in November, our solid new hope for WM5.
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/index.php?action=expand,43089
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Even though it looks so very similar to our Magician, they are not related. This is a copy made by another manufacturer, so I doubt they share the same hardware. Different hardware = different drivers = Atom WM5 no go on the Magician

Plus the Atom has 128 MB ROM, needed for WM5. 64 MB just is too small, considering that WM5 takes 85 MB on the Jasjar

Koksie said:
Plus the Atom has 128 MB ROM, needed for WM5. 64 MB just is too small, considering that WM5 takes 85 MB on the Jasjar
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Microsoft claims it will work on 64MB. Something to do with executing in place.

HBK said:
Even though it looks so very similar to our Magician, they are not related. This is a copy made by another manufacturer, so I doubt they share the same hardware. Different hardware = different drivers = Atom WM5 no go on the Magician
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Quanta Atom is actually the HTC Athena.
Look likes we finally got some clarity on this new device. It's by HTC.
Chances of portability are again better, but there may be differences in the camera, audio, and memory configuration that will need to be sorted out if one is to port the ROM image over to the Magician. Hopefully the hacker(s) won't end up bricking their device.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4306.html
The HTC Athena (Quanta Atom) is reported to have the following features:
Windows Mobile 5.0
XScale PXA272 at 416MHz
Wi-Fi
Bluetooth
GSM/GPRS/EDGE
FM Radio
2.1MP camera
slimmer dimensions than HTC Magician

I just saw that too. I was finding it kinda weird that another company could get away with a rip off design like that
I agree that this could change things a bit. It looks like the hardware is basically the same as the Magician, so theoretically the ROM could run on the Magician, although of course a few things wouldn't work. But irl the chance of running the ROM from a different phone seems very small...

I read somewhere that the T-Mobile version of the Qtek S110 (128MB) would get WM5 as well.
That one is identical to the magician (except for the memory!)

I still think our best bet for the present would be the Raptor ROM (short of it not existing). A forbidden topic though.
That aside, certainly, if the 128MB Magician gets WM5, one would see no impediment in its function on current Magicians.

kneeslasher said the R-word!
No, seriously I can't see the R-ROM ever happening. It's been 14 days now, so even the most optimistic among us surely can smell a rotten rat by now.
There has been no official word frm HTC about WM5 for any of the present devices, so I think the S110 update is just wishful thinking.
Can't wait for someone to prove me wrong, though

New ROM maybe?

Sorry if this is old news but this looks like a magician (Qtek S110, i-mate Jam 128mb) with WM 5.0 could we use this ROM?
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/handhelds/0,39029444,39194767,00.htm

This device has 128 of RAM, and not 64 (as first devices like i-mate JAM for example). The problem of upgrading to WM 5.0 is how WM 5.0 manages memory of the device. In old WM versions 64 MB of RAM has been used for both storage and operational memory and we have/had the ability to adjust both kinds of memory (sizes) dynamically. Now is different. Both memories are completely independent (as it is on the PC). And the reason for not seeing any update for the ROM of 64 MB devices to WM 5.0 is that there is actually not enough memory. This is the easiest for understanding explanation. There is more detail clarification but it’s also more technical one.

My Qtek S110 has 128mb as does the charcoal (grey/gunmetal) coloured I-mate Jam. As long as this new model only has 64mb ROM I would imaging the new ROM will work

stevedebi said:
Nope. I don't think the internal device have drivers for the original S110.
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Yeah just noticed its got an OMAP processor
I'll get me coat :?

How to upgrade HTC Universal to 64Mb at 128 Mb

It is very well to make ROMS which supports 128Mb but like updating (at the material level) our HTC Universal?

Have a look at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128MBRAM and see this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=281560&page=25.
Basically, you need to get 2 ram chips of 64MB each, and replace the original chips of 32MB each on your universal mainboard. If you couldn't (de)solder the chips yourself, then it's best to find someone who's capable of doing it. At the moment, it's only reported it works with the g3. I haven't heard anything confirmed yet on the g4, though it was said that it should work fine. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=348567&page=2)
Best.

mctoey said:
Have a look at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128MBRAM and see this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=281560&page=25.
Basically, you need to get 2 ram chips of 64MB each, and replace the original chips of 32MB each on your universal mainboard. If you couldn't (de)solder the chips yourself, then it's best to find someone who's capable of doing it. At the moment, it's only reported it works with the g3. I haven't heard anything confirmed yet on the g4, though it was said that it should work fine. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=348567&page=2)
Best.
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Thanks for this information

upgrade from 64 to 128
i've read the procedure on how to upgrade uni ram from 64mb to 128mb...problem is where to get d 64 2X ram??? can anyone tell me where to get the chips and how much?? Your help is highly appreciated.

Where To Buy Ram Chips
Here is the link on where to get the ram chips http://octomobile.isl.hk/index.php?...ducts_id=300&zenid=fevcerl32hgjpk8hdv7tb0uqv7 Just make sure you have a G3 device. If you don't will not work with G4 Univerisals.

pictures / specs?
Due to high international shipping costs and customs fees here I would like to shop for the RAM modules locally.
Can anyone provide detailed specs for the required RAM chips? (Manufacturer, Product Number or at least Type, Timings, Form Factor, Voltage Ratings etc.?
A high resolution image might do the trick, too
Thanks guys, you're the best!

Have a look here...
These are the chips you need :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1645867&postcount=120
Then have a look in the wiki :
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128MBRAM
Though that said I'd have a look at the upgrade forum and read through the ram upgrading thread...

Park said:
Here is the link on where to get the ram chips http://octomobile.isl.hk/index.php?...ducts_id=300&zenid=fevcerl32hgjpk8hdv7tb0uqv7 Just make sure you have a G3 device. If you don't will not work with G4 Univerisals.
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why not g4?
there are already g4 users with successful upgrade.

128MB RAM on G4 Universal

As the title suggests, I am wondering whether anyone has the G4 device ram upgraded, and successfully run on any of the rom that claimed to support 128MB ram on the G4 yet???
Can your G4 recognise and use the whole 128MB of the new ram? Any issue experienced, if any?
So far, I have not heard from anyone with the G4 experience yet. If there are someone who have done that, please please kindly share your information.
Thank very much in advance!
***G4 devices are those with bootloader version 2.xx.***

Helloooo.....
Is there really no one???

You'll have to wait more than a day to get response from 128MB G4 users. I gather there are not that many here!

See if this works for you http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=348567

Thanks a lot Zeeshansohail. I will be more patient and keep checking.
Best.

128MB Ram working on G4!
As the title suggests, I've had my G4 upgraded and now it's working well with this extra muscle, my phone now has 84MB after soft reset. I am currently using L&B 2.09.01+. Big thanks for all the developers here who have made all these possible, especially to Mamaich for his discovery, those who have worked to make it work on G4 (Beasts and many others), rom cookers who have integrated this feature into their great roms (Leo, Beasts, and many others).

Is there someone doing the RAM upgrades out there or is this more a case of Do It Yourself?

I think you just need upgrade your ROM to one of those with 124MB RAM, then it will take part of your unused ROM to be converted to RAM.
Haven't tried myself, will do it once I have some time to upgrade and re-install all my applications

stjoemail said:
I think you just need upgrade your ROM to one of those with 124MB RAM, then it will take part of your unused ROM to be converted to RAM.
Haven't tried myself, will do it once I have some time to upgrade and re-install all my applications
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No. You will have to solder new ram chips. Please read wiki and other threads here on this site.

sorry my bad .. had wrong idea about this 128M RAM ..
mctoey is right, we need to solder the RAM chips ..

256MB RAM for Uni - Is it Possible?

Hi!
I have upgraded my Uni with 128MB RAM. I understand that there is extra provision for additional RAM on UNI. Can anybody confirm that the two 64MB RAM chips from Blue Angel can be used on the free space available on Uni and can it be upgraded to 256MB RAM.
Feed back and guidance needed in this respect.
Regards,
Haque

People seem to be saying it's not possible. That 128MB is the maximum. However I remember being around in the forum when people were saying you couldn't upgrade to 128MB and others found a way to do this.
I think this would need a reply from someone who knows the hardware better. (Me, I'm still wondering what the two blank spaces could be used for... and for when someone builds a small GPS chip that can be plugged somewhere inside my Uni!!... dream on!).

-Jonny- said:
...I'm still wondering what the two blank spaces could be used for... and for when someone builds a small GPS chip that can be plugged somewhere inside my Uni!!... dream on!).
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Those blank spaces are for GPS chip, which HTC didn't include. You can install the chips but it will not work because a radio rom with GPS FW has never been released for Uni.
regards

tomal said:
Those blank spaces are for GPS chip, which HTC didn't include. You can install the chips but it will not work because a radio rom with GPS FW has never been released for Uni.
regards
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Damn, I saw that Tomal replied and hoped that I will come to this thread and he'll say something along the lines of 'Yes, we successfully installed 2 128Mb RAM chips and I am testing them now with a new ROM, will let you all know how it went and offer an upgrade to people who want to get one'
Even my Elf can pinpoint my location on Google Maps, my Uni can't. Outrageous

Some time ago I have a chat conversation with one russian guy (Mo3ulla) and he has 256 RAM on the Uni (bga chips from notebook) and running Windows CE (custom port, never comes to public), so it seems it's possible, but not for public

A light!!
Well,
If that is actually true there is hope that can be done!!
Hope someone can publish this soon!
I´ll ask mo3ulla
Thanks for the tip,

Interesting reading this thread - especially this post
I don't know if the guys are still around - it was only 18 months ago.

Well i would think someone will get the way around to get it done .....

Win_XP said:
Some time ago I have a chat conversation with one russian guy (Mo3ulla) and he has 256 RAM on the Uni (bga chips from notebook) and running Windows CE (custom port, never comes to public), so it seems it's possible, but not for public
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May be you are right.
But if something is not published publicly then it may not be fully true....just my thought.

Mamaich did the original work on patching the Kernel to allow access to the 128mb ram, if bigger chips are available for the two slots then there is no reason why the memory can't be further upgraded, it would however require another kernel update to allow access to the extra memory.
The same goes for the GPS slot, if someone was willing to install the GPS chip and patch the radio stack, there's no reason why the Uni couldn't have a GPS chip.
The only problem you have is that the Uni has been around for far too long now and all the Guru's have moved on to other devices.
Try convincing someone to spend months patching an old device to have the features already available in newer devices............ you would be better inserting a new mainboard into the Uni chasis........
Cheers,
Beasty

Thanks for your clarification Beasty!
Well, I would love to convince a master to do this hard task, just want to know who can be a candidate.
And on the other hand we should rise a nice donation so we can encourage him!
I offer myself to rise the money to convince him/her
So any recomendation is welcome!
Later I´ll set up a new thread for the donation in case this makes any positive progress.
Cheers,

I'd certainly donate towards anyone getting GPS inside my Uni if it helped. However, I think as Beasty says, I don't think it's going to be money, but someones time.

Time is not a problem as long as somebody really want to go deep in it
I can wait the longest as it takes and I´ll be just a happy pacient Uni user!
$ can incentivate
Let´s how all this move forwards...

You will be hard pushed to find a candidate willing to take on this task for you.
There are not many developers here who are capable of both the hardware and software modifications required.
Don't get me wrong, there are some very good devs in these forums, but this sort of mod requires a lot of low level hardware and software knowledge.
Your best chance if you really are serious about trying to find someone to do this is head over to Darkforces and make a post there.
Really you would need Mamaich, Ivan or Helmi (to mention a few.....if you can track them down) as they are all more than capable of what you want.
To be honest though, you probably have more chance of getting HTC to do it for you..............
It would still be easier to port a new mainboard into the Uni housing (more than enough room in there for most of the current devices on the market to fit............... perhaps you should also consider this as it is a more practical move than trying to upgrade a dying device.
I love my Uni as much as the rest of you guys here, but there comes a point when you just have to move on.
Over the years we have patched the hell out of the kernel and drivers for the Uni and to be honest the code is quite a mess now, far from optimised.
Good luck and keep this thread updated with any news you have on progressing this issue as I would be very interested if you found someone willing to take on this challenge.
I know first hand how messy all the drivers and patched oem files and XIP are in the Uni and it will be a monumentous task.
Cheers,
Beasty

Beasty is right, as we all know, but if we take in account what was written in Orb's thread about Uni vs new devices there are a lot of us that are not satisfied with the performance/cost of the latest, me included.
How can it be possible to release a device and i can't even play avi with it?
Runing the same apps on both devices, I can't notice a real improvement in terms of speed. memory we know that's short...
My HD is nice, but as I told, I would prefer the Uni with 256, even being a lot bigger.
Unfortunately we (Uni) suffer from oldness, and we will have to move on...

ultravox said:
Beasty is right, as we all know, but if we take in account what was written in Orb's thread about Uni vs new devices there are a lot of us that are not satisfied with the performance/cost of the latest, me included.
How can it be possible to release a device and i can't even play avi with it?
Runing the same apps on both devices, I can't notice a real improvement in terms of speed. memory we know that's short...
My HD is nice, but as I told, I would prefer the Uni with 256, even being a lot bigger.
Unfortunately we (Uni) suffer from oldness, and we will have to move on...
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I agree the current Qualcomm chipsets are not up to par, mainly down to driver issues rather than the hardware. Don't forget our Uni's run off an Intel XScale and not a Qualcomm.
1st quarter of next year should see some decent releases of the new hardware Tegra and Snapdragon with 12mp cams, 1 ghz cpus and video recording at 720p, perhaps then the Uni will finally have a decent replacement.
I must say though that my Rhodium is no slug, the keyboard is nice and big more than enough ram (GPS is functional, though not great it does the job satisfactorily) I can't really say I miss the Uni that much after switching over to the Rhodium................ each to their own.
Hold out till next year and be tempted with the new hardware.
Cheers,
Beasty

Does the Qualcomm have a serial or USB port (USB host)? I have no idea but I know that much older chips did have (Intel StrongArm in HP Jornada for example - but was not used and also PXA250 have it). If yes and if it can be found somewhere on the PCB of the UNI, then this can be used for GPS connection, or something else. Just an idea....

kerda said:
Does the Qualcomm have a serial or USB port (USB host)? I have no idea but I know that much older chips did have (Intel StrongArm in HP Jornada for example - but was not used and also PXA250 have it). If yes and if it can be found somewhere on the PCB of the UNI, then this can be used for GPS connection, or something else. Just an idea....
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Both the Qualcomm and XScale can support USB host, they just require the correct drivers, the functions are available just need to be accessed via a driver. The problem the Uni has is that it has no built in GPS Chip, there is a placeholder on the mobo for a GPS chip, it was just never added. There were rumours that some of the very early Uni's (G3) had a chip but not activated.......... Personally I have never seen proof of this.
You can still use external GPS on Uni (as many do) via BT or USB/Serial connection. You do not need USB Host service for this function.
Cheers,
Beasty

Why try to upgrade Uni while has HTC X7500, X7501 and X7510
Let buy them...! (":')...!
See :
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474

hunter79 said:
Why try to upgrade Uni while has HTC X7500, X7501 and X7510
Let buy them...! (":')...!
See :
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474
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Because we like our Unis....?