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Magician 128mb upgrade hardware Question!!!

Some days ago i tried to replace memory chips in HTC Magician to increase memory to 128mb, but i had a problem.
After replacement the system has not seen full volume.... only 64mb
May be somebody know how to make it?
Regular BGA RAM p/n hyb25l256160ac-7.5 x 2 (2*32mb)
Upgrade BGA RAM p/n hyb25l512160ac-7.5 x 2 (2x64mb)

i don't think you can stack the memory on the magician. is that what you have done? according to the ppctechs website you can't do it.
http://www.pocketpctechs.com/detail.asp?Product_ID=JAM-064-128RAM

I used chips of the same manufacturer... the same series... only greater volume.
It is not necessary to modify any in ROM... as at loading OS it defines how many memory is installed. Here problem in other... In old IPAQs it is necessary to move some resistor .... A question only what

According to ppctechs, they replace the 64mb chip with a 128mb chip, not 2x 64mb chips. you may need to use a 128mb chip.

no comments.
P.S. look at hardware pictures.

how can i download the magician

Download what?

You have to rub the magic lamp 3 times while closing your eyes and facing north.

tupisdin said:
Some days ago i tried to replace memory chips in HTC Magician to increase memory to 128mb, but i had a problem.
After replacement the system has not seen full volume.... only 64mb
May be somebody know how to make it?
Regular BGA RAM p/n hyb25l256160ac-7.5 x 2 (2*32mb)
Upgrade BGA RAM p/n hyb25l512160ac-7.5 x 2 (2x64mb)
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Where can you buy those RAM-modules?

BTW, maybe the instructions can give you any hints in where you have gone wrong and if you need any resistors etc:
http://www.infineon.com/cmc_upload/documents/011/8819/HYB25L128160AC_2003-02.pdf

i think that you need some kind of softwere to make it work
i copyed this from ppc techs:
Q: Are your upgrades compatible with Pocket PC 2003?
A: Our upgrades have been fully tested with the release version of Pocket PC 2003 and are completely compatible. On most systems, PPC2003 does not support the 128MB natively, so our proprietary driver is still required. You will need a new copy of the driver for 2003. To obtain a new copy from us, please do the following:
Install your current version of the T2T Driver and soft-reset the system. Next, go into T2T Utility, turn on debug mode, exit the utility and soft-reset the system. Then email the T2TDisk.txt file located in the \Temp directory to [email protected] with a note requesting a 2003 driver.

I have an upgraded JAM by PPC Techs, and I can tell you that the T2T driver is NOT needed for this upgrade. (It was needed for my iPaq 4350 that I had upgraded last year)
PS And No, I am not going to open up my JAM to take pictures

tupisdin,
I admire your guts for taking on this job. I really hope you get it running

Partminer.
crisscross said:
tupisdin said:
Some days ago i tried to replace memory chips in HTC Magician to increase memory to 128mb, but i had a problem.
After replacement the system has not seen full volume.... only 64mb
May be somebody know how to make it?
Regular BGA RAM p/n hyb25l256160ac-7.5 x 2 (2*32mb)
Upgrade BGA RAM p/n hyb25l512160ac-7.5 x 2 (2x64mb)
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Where can you buy those RAM-modules?
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Thank you very much! A description on how you did it, the equipment you used for soldering etc. would be highly interesting also. If you manage to get the extra ram working this is very good news!
tupisdin said:
Partminer.
crisscross said:
tupisdin said:
Some days ago i tried to replace memory chips in HTC Magician to increase memory to 128mb, but i had a problem.
After replacement the system has not seen full volume.... only 64mb
May be somebody know how to make it?
Regular BGA RAM p/n hyb25l256160ac-7.5 x 2 (2*32mb)
Upgrade BGA RAM p/n hyb25l512160ac-7.5 x 2 (2x64mb)
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Where can you buy those RAM-modules?
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Sorry no success.
May be someone know how we can solve tis problem.

hay , i also wanna do this upgrade :- ) , but its wierd , acording to pics original was 2x32Mb .... so should work like you did 2x64....
can you also tell us how u desoldered the originals out and put new in

hi, i am new here. I owned a O2 Mini.
Like alot of u guys here, I am also using wifi and the internal memory is definitely not enough. Is it easy to open up the magician and install the ram ourselves or do we need to send it to ppctech?
I am from singapore and there is no ppctech here....
anyone can share (if best with pictures) how to open the magician and replace the ram.
thanks and cheers!

so wots happening wid the DIY memory upgrade .... anyone got it to work yet?

I've a little question, some time ago I've crashed my 2020, I can use the ram of this device on my s100?

How to upgrade HTC Universal to 64Mb at 128 Mb

It is very well to make ROMS which supports 128Mb but like updating (at the material level) our HTC Universal?

Have a look at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128MBRAM and see this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=281560&page=25.
Basically, you need to get 2 ram chips of 64MB each, and replace the original chips of 32MB each on your universal mainboard. If you couldn't (de)solder the chips yourself, then it's best to find someone who's capable of doing it. At the moment, it's only reported it works with the g3. I haven't heard anything confirmed yet on the g4, though it was said that it should work fine. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=348567&page=2)
Best.

mctoey said:
Have a look at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128MBRAM and see this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=281560&page=25.
Basically, you need to get 2 ram chips of 64MB each, and replace the original chips of 32MB each on your universal mainboard. If you couldn't (de)solder the chips yourself, then it's best to find someone who's capable of doing it. At the moment, it's only reported it works with the g3. I haven't heard anything confirmed yet on the g4, though it was said that it should work fine. (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=348567&page=2)
Best.
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Thanks for this information

upgrade from 64 to 128
i've read the procedure on how to upgrade uni ram from 64mb to 128mb...problem is where to get d 64 2X ram??? can anyone tell me where to get the chips and how much?? Your help is highly appreciated.

Where To Buy Ram Chips
Here is the link on where to get the ram chips http://octomobile.isl.hk/index.php?...ducts_id=300&zenid=fevcerl32hgjpk8hdv7tb0uqv7 Just make sure you have a G3 device. If you don't will not work with G4 Univerisals.

pictures / specs?
Due to high international shipping costs and customs fees here I would like to shop for the RAM modules locally.
Can anyone provide detailed specs for the required RAM chips? (Manufacturer, Product Number or at least Type, Timings, Form Factor, Voltage Ratings etc.?
A high resolution image might do the trick, too
Thanks guys, you're the best!

Have a look here...
These are the chips you need :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1645867&postcount=120
Then have a look in the wiki :
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_128MBRAM
Though that said I'd have a look at the upgrade forum and read through the ram upgrading thread...

Park said:
Here is the link on where to get the ram chips http://octomobile.isl.hk/index.php?...ducts_id=300&zenid=fevcerl32hgjpk8hdv7tb0uqv7 Just make sure you have a G3 device. If you don't will not work with G4 Univerisals.
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why not g4?
there are already g4 users with successful upgrade.

256MB RAM for Uni - Is it Possible?

Hi!
I have upgraded my Uni with 128MB RAM. I understand that there is extra provision for additional RAM on UNI. Can anybody confirm that the two 64MB RAM chips from Blue Angel can be used on the free space available on Uni and can it be upgraded to 256MB RAM.
Feed back and guidance needed in this respect.
Regards,
Haque

People seem to be saying it's not possible. That 128MB is the maximum. However I remember being around in the forum when people were saying you couldn't upgrade to 128MB and others found a way to do this.
I think this would need a reply from someone who knows the hardware better. (Me, I'm still wondering what the two blank spaces could be used for... and for when someone builds a small GPS chip that can be plugged somewhere inside my Uni!!... dream on!).

-Jonny- said:
...I'm still wondering what the two blank spaces could be used for... and for when someone builds a small GPS chip that can be plugged somewhere inside my Uni!!... dream on!).
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Those blank spaces are for GPS chip, which HTC didn't include. You can install the chips but it will not work because a radio rom with GPS FW has never been released for Uni.
regards

tomal said:
Those blank spaces are for GPS chip, which HTC didn't include. You can install the chips but it will not work because a radio rom with GPS FW has never been released for Uni.
regards
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Damn, I saw that Tomal replied and hoped that I will come to this thread and he'll say something along the lines of 'Yes, we successfully installed 2 128Mb RAM chips and I am testing them now with a new ROM, will let you all know how it went and offer an upgrade to people who want to get one'
Even my Elf can pinpoint my location on Google Maps, my Uni can't. Outrageous

Some time ago I have a chat conversation with one russian guy (Mo3ulla) and he has 256 RAM on the Uni (bga chips from notebook) and running Windows CE (custom port, never comes to public), so it seems it's possible, but not for public

A light!!
Well,
If that is actually true there is hope that can be done!!
Hope someone can publish this soon!
I´ll ask mo3ulla
Thanks for the tip,

Interesting reading this thread - especially this post
I don't know if the guys are still around - it was only 18 months ago.

Well i would think someone will get the way around to get it done .....

Win_XP said:
Some time ago I have a chat conversation with one russian guy (Mo3ulla) and he has 256 RAM on the Uni (bga chips from notebook) and running Windows CE (custom port, never comes to public), so it seems it's possible, but not for public
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May be you are right.
But if something is not published publicly then it may not be fully true....just my thought.

Mamaich did the original work on patching the Kernel to allow access to the 128mb ram, if bigger chips are available for the two slots then there is no reason why the memory can't be further upgraded, it would however require another kernel update to allow access to the extra memory.
The same goes for the GPS slot, if someone was willing to install the GPS chip and patch the radio stack, there's no reason why the Uni couldn't have a GPS chip.
The only problem you have is that the Uni has been around for far too long now and all the Guru's have moved on to other devices.
Try convincing someone to spend months patching an old device to have the features already available in newer devices............ you would be better inserting a new mainboard into the Uni chasis........
Cheers,
Beasty

Thanks for your clarification Beasty!
Well, I would love to convince a master to do this hard task, just want to know who can be a candidate.
And on the other hand we should rise a nice donation so we can encourage him!
I offer myself to rise the money to convince him/her
So any recomendation is welcome!
Later I´ll set up a new thread for the donation in case this makes any positive progress.
Cheers,

I'd certainly donate towards anyone getting GPS inside my Uni if it helped. However, I think as Beasty says, I don't think it's going to be money, but someones time.

Time is not a problem as long as somebody really want to go deep in it
I can wait the longest as it takes and I´ll be just a happy pacient Uni user!
$ can incentivate
Let´s how all this move forwards...

You will be hard pushed to find a candidate willing to take on this task for you.
There are not many developers here who are capable of both the hardware and software modifications required.
Don't get me wrong, there are some very good devs in these forums, but this sort of mod requires a lot of low level hardware and software knowledge.
Your best chance if you really are serious about trying to find someone to do this is head over to Darkforces and make a post there.
Really you would need Mamaich, Ivan or Helmi (to mention a few.....if you can track them down) as they are all more than capable of what you want.
To be honest though, you probably have more chance of getting HTC to do it for you..............
It would still be easier to port a new mainboard into the Uni housing (more than enough room in there for most of the current devices on the market to fit............... perhaps you should also consider this as it is a more practical move than trying to upgrade a dying device.
I love my Uni as much as the rest of you guys here, but there comes a point when you just have to move on.
Over the years we have patched the hell out of the kernel and drivers for the Uni and to be honest the code is quite a mess now, far from optimised.
Good luck and keep this thread updated with any news you have on progressing this issue as I would be very interested if you found someone willing to take on this challenge.
I know first hand how messy all the drivers and patched oem files and XIP are in the Uni and it will be a monumentous task.
Cheers,
Beasty

Beasty is right, as we all know, but if we take in account what was written in Orb's thread about Uni vs new devices there are a lot of us that are not satisfied with the performance/cost of the latest, me included.
How can it be possible to release a device and i can't even play avi with it?
Runing the same apps on both devices, I can't notice a real improvement in terms of speed. memory we know that's short...
My HD is nice, but as I told, I would prefer the Uni with 256, even being a lot bigger.
Unfortunately we (Uni) suffer from oldness, and we will have to move on...

ultravox said:
Beasty is right, as we all know, but if we take in account what was written in Orb's thread about Uni vs new devices there are a lot of us that are not satisfied with the performance/cost of the latest, me included.
How can it be possible to release a device and i can't even play avi with it?
Runing the same apps on both devices, I can't notice a real improvement in terms of speed. memory we know that's short...
My HD is nice, but as I told, I would prefer the Uni with 256, even being a lot bigger.
Unfortunately we (Uni) suffer from oldness, and we will have to move on...
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I agree the current Qualcomm chipsets are not up to par, mainly down to driver issues rather than the hardware. Don't forget our Uni's run off an Intel XScale and not a Qualcomm.
1st quarter of next year should see some decent releases of the new hardware Tegra and Snapdragon with 12mp cams, 1 ghz cpus and video recording at 720p, perhaps then the Uni will finally have a decent replacement.
I must say though that my Rhodium is no slug, the keyboard is nice and big more than enough ram (GPS is functional, though not great it does the job satisfactorily) I can't really say I miss the Uni that much after switching over to the Rhodium................ each to their own.
Hold out till next year and be tempted with the new hardware.
Cheers,
Beasty

Does the Qualcomm have a serial or USB port (USB host)? I have no idea but I know that much older chips did have (Intel StrongArm in HP Jornada for example - but was not used and also PXA250 have it). If yes and if it can be found somewhere on the PCB of the UNI, then this can be used for GPS connection, or something else. Just an idea....

kerda said:
Does the Qualcomm have a serial or USB port (USB host)? I have no idea but I know that much older chips did have (Intel StrongArm in HP Jornada for example - but was not used and also PXA250 have it). If yes and if it can be found somewhere on the PCB of the UNI, then this can be used for GPS connection, or something else. Just an idea....
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Both the Qualcomm and XScale can support USB host, they just require the correct drivers, the functions are available just need to be accessed via a driver. The problem the Uni has is that it has no built in GPS Chip, there is a placeholder on the mobo for a GPS chip, it was just never added. There were rumours that some of the very early Uni's (G3) had a chip but not activated.......... Personally I have never seen proof of this.
You can still use external GPS on Uni (as many do) via BT or USB/Serial connection. You do not need USB Host service for this function.
Cheers,
Beasty

Why try to upgrade Uni while has HTC X7500, X7501 and X7510
Let buy them...! (":')...!
See :
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474

hunter79 said:
Why try to upgrade Uni while has HTC X7500, X7501 and X7510
Let buy them...! (":')...!
See :
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=474
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Because we like our Unis....?

[Q] upgrading ram

Hi everyone,
I have been reading on these forums and it seems like the developers have done a very nice job with custom roms(got to love opensource community).
I got a g-tablet and was wondering if it is possible upgrade the ram in the tablet. Let me know if anyone has opened there tablet up and have looked at the hardware inside and maybe post couple of pics of the layout of the hardware.
-R

Here you go.
This thread is a good place to start:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=842354&highlight=screen+replacement

Kind of a repost; you just needed a ***bump***
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12108775
Anyway... Yes it is possible.
From what i have heard, g tab got two slots of ram and just used one with the 512kb. The problem here, like i posted 5 minutes ago, is that current roms dont support more ram than 512kb. Maybe with honeycomb release and its requirements we finally get the support for extra ram in our devices.
Cheer for the mods and lets wait a little longer for the honeycream AOSP and a port for g tablet.

It's not two slots of ram it's more like the x-box ram upgrade.

so does anyone have pics of what the ram actually looks like? And is it possible to purchase from the market?

Dvalin21 said:
so does anyone have pics of what the ram actually looks like? And is it possible to purchase from the market?
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It is *NOT* possible to upgrade the ram, period, end of story.
(yes, it's possible, but if you have to ask, you can't do it. extreme soldering skill required)

[Q] LG optimus 3d (RAM 512 = too little?)

I have seen other phones that are dual core too, i.e the Evo 3d, motorola atrix, but with 1gb ram. When it comes to gaming, and not just counting the 3d aspect of it. Will the 512 mb of ram be enough to run even upcoming games. Can this device stand newer games that other phones like the htc evo 3d might have no problem handling? Share some thoughts on this. thnx

omfg AGAIN???? :/
512mb are ABSOLUTELY enough!!!
just look at this review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEE65bNN8mc&feature=player_embedded
8 apps open and phone still fast

While the dual channel technology might bring some small performance benefits, 512MB will remain 512MB.
Current games should be no problem at all, but upcoming games (utilizing the unreal or unity engine for example) will definitely step up in terms of texture amount+resolution and general amount of data (see recent news of Shadowgun for example).
This could become a disadvantage at a certain point, but we´ll have to wait for some hard numbers when the time will come.
But i´m confident that the optimus 3d can keep up at least for 1 year (until we actually experience noticeable performance disadvantages with more advanced and complex games aimed at the Tegra3 Platform and other upcoming chipsets).

I have experienced some lock up'freezing issues when play the included games in 3D. I rooted my phone, so i dont know if its due to that or if its just due to the fact its a developer phone and the software is not final. I still love this phone, very fast and i get 8mb average dl's on Tmo here in the Bay Area(Hayward).

Could someone who has a pre release O3D unit have a look and see how much free ram is available after start-up please? (i'm an android newbie, not sure if this is possible on LG androids in general, without a specific app?) Just wondering how much ram the system leaves you to use....?
Thanks
Ian

i'm confused here...
i was under the impression that the concept here was tri-dual (dual core, dual channel memory, DUAL RAM) resulting in there being 1gb of ram configured as 512mb per core?
is that not what's happening?

It´s supposed to be 256|256 ^^

that's a bit dissappointing then.
however, as has been pointed out, it doesn't seem to affect overall performance much. i can see it being a hinderance to the future longevity o the phone though. a newer-than-gingerbread version of android on the horizon which will undoubtedly demand for higher specs could see this become a problem.

According to the presentation it's supposed to be memory for gpu and memory for system

Has anybody with a pre or final relase O3D managed to find out how much free ram is available after a cold start up please? (i.e no apps/games running, only a task manager) If it's something like 200 - 250mb then that should be ok i guess, HTC seem to think that amount is ok on their sensation, and that started with 768mb..... Sense 3 seems to be a bit of a resource hog, it seems.....
Thanks
Ian

i saw in a videopreview,about 340mb free.

nic85 said:
i saw in a videopreview,about 340mb free.
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Thanks for this, if you could provide a link or something i'd be grateful 340mb available is better than i'd hoped for
Thanks
Ian

can't find that,but i have this
http://www.batista70phone.com/2011/05/video-recensione-lg-optimus-3d-by-batista70phone/
18:55

300+meg of free ram is loads and there will probbaly be more if you kill off some of the crappy stock services that you might not need, for example google talk.

hefonthefjords said:
300+meg of free ram is loads and there will probbaly be more if you kill off some of the crappy stock services that you might not need, for example google talk.
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nd remember its an old software the latest as we speak is June the 5th so things must be getting better,I need this phone now its getting really tough every day trolling the web for info sad muppets we are well me anyway

cheltenham2004 said:
nd remember its an old software the latest as we speak is June the 5th so things must be getting better,I need this phone now its getting really tough every day trolling the web for info sad muppets we are well me anyway
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if it gets delayed again

hehe, agreed. i'm just fed up of my current phone. too old/not powerful enough for gingerbread and locked bootloader so only a poor port of cyanogenmod with an un-customisable kernel. long overdue time for new toys.

hefonthefjords said:
hehe, agreed. i'm just fed up of my current phone. too old/not powerful enough for gingerbread and locked bootloader so only a poor port of cyanogenmod with an un-customisable kernel. long overdue time for new toys.
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Sounds like you have the motorola milestone

totally.
it's like motorola gave me a gold brick and the punched me in the face every day since.

If an O3D is supplied directly from a network, and comes loaded with their bloatware, will this affect the amount of free ram available?
Thanks
Ian