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Possible to use Kaiser as an Analog Modem?

Hi All,
I posted a similar question before without too much response. So bear with me as I repost it here in this forum as you guys seems most knowledgeable.
In where I live, GPRS data cost an arm and a leg. They charge you something stupid like 10 dollars for 12 megs, WITHOUT the option of purchasing an unlimited plan. What I'm trying to find out is is it possible for our Kaisers to act as an analog modem so I can tether it to my laptop and dial-up to a local ISP? Sure the speed would be terrible, but at least I'll get connectivity without incurring tons of data charges.
Any insights would be greatly appreciated

shinji1 said:
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What I'm trying to find out is is it possible for our Kaisers to act as an analog modem so I can tether it to my laptop and dial-up to a local ISP? Sure the speed would be terrible, but at least I'll get connectivity without incurring tons of data charges.
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It would really suck if you're moving such as on a train or such because this kinda of data doesn't handle tower swapping.
It should be possible, depending on your phone provider. I know at&t used to allow it, but it's unavailable with any new plan now, for instance.

NuShrike said:
It would really suck if you're moving such as on a train or such because this kinda of data doesn't handle tower swapping.
It should be possible, depending on your phone provider. I know at&t used to allow it, but it's unavailable with any new plan now, for instance.
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Hm... interesting. Technically my phone provider can "dis-allow" their customers from dialing into an ISP using a voice call, but in reality can they really prevent you from doing so? I mean from their end its just any voice call right?
But I digress. Does anyone know how I can set up something like this in WM6? I tried doing the following :
1. Create a new Connection
2. Select "Cellular Line" as my modem type
3. Enter the phone number of my ISP
4. Connect using this new connection
But it fails, saying that it got a problem establishing the connection. At first I thought it was failing to establish carrier with the ISP, but later I found out that it doesn't even dial out but changing the number to my home phone number.
Any ideas would be appreciated.. thanks!!

Actually, there is a circuit you can build, for the electronically inclined, that will connect the headphone/mic ports on the kaiser to the 2wire hole on your laptop, enabling you to use your minutes to DIAL aol or msn or whatever.

tyeo098 said:
Actually, there is a circuit you can build, for the electronically inclined, that will connect the headphone/mic ports on the kaiser to the 2wire hole on your laptop, enabling you to use your minutes to DIAL aol or msn or whatever.
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Would that be akin to using a mini usb to rj11 adapter? That would certainly be doable! However, I would imagine some drivers needs to be installed. Say, for the WM6 device to act as a modem and for windows to detect it as a modem.

shinji1 said:
Hm... interesting. Technically my phone provider can "dis-allow" their customers from dialing into an ISP using a voice call, but in reality can they really prevent you from doing so? I mean from their end its just any voice call right?
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I'm not sure how it's done, but my provider certainly does block it unless one is provisioned.
On my Sony Ericsson t637, I can ISP dialup on one sim that is provisioned on the monthly plan, but on the other cannot dial through. If you hand dial it, you can hear the other side's modem for fax (for example), but if you try tether dial for instance, it doesn't work. Either sim does not contain any network setup information and it's all on the same phone.

NuShrike said:
I'm not sure how it's done, but my provider certainly does block it unless one is provisioned.
On my Sony Ericsson t637, I can ISP dialup on one sim that is provisioned on the monthly plan, but on the other cannot dial through. If you hand dial it, you can hear the other side's modem for fax (for example), but if you try tether dial for instance, it doesn't work. Either sim does not contain any network setup information and it's all on the same phone.
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That's very interesting.... the fact that if you hand dial you hear the other side's modem but if you let WM6 dial through one of its connection setups you won't be able to connect.
This leads me to think it might be a software limitation. Any other thoughts?

I want to do this too and have the same issue of it not dialing. But if I hand-dial the number it connects (well, I hear the modem sound). Would it be possible to setup windows to work off those sounds? So instead of dialing, it will just send authentication information. Or dial without dial tone, then you hand-dial it on the cell, and route the "audio" to the modem?

It worked for me
Hi everyone
I use T-mobile in USA, I have the myFaves plan, it allows me to call 5 numbers of my choice for free. One of these numbers is a Dial-up number that I use to dial out and connect to the internet. However it takes about 20-30 attempts before I make a connection (or sometimes it connects in just 2 attempts).
The point is, I've done it and it actually works. All you need to do is go in 'Connections' and add a new connection. Select 'Cellular Line' and specify the phone number you wish to dial.
I would love to use this method of connection since its free, but the time it takes to connect is very frustrating. I came here looking for some free software that would allow the voice call to be easily recognized as a data call so that I can continue using this facility.
I called T-mobile a while back and asked as to why it was so inconsistent, the cusomer representative replied saying 'You are getting away with it, it's not supposed to happen'. He said that they needed to enable CSD for my line for it to actually work. I had the CSD inactive according to him. I argued that I used voice dialing and not CSD, he didn't agree with me.
Lets keep this thread active and search for a solution, let me know what you guys think.

explorer82 said:
Hi everyone
I use T-mobile in USA, I have the myFaves plan, it allows me to call 5 numbers of my choice for free. One of these numbers is a Dial-up number that I use to dial out and connect to the internet. However it takes about 20-30 attempts before I make a connection (or sometimes it connects in just 2 attempts).
The point is, I've done it and it actually works. All you need to do is go in 'Connections' and add a new connection. Select 'Cellular Line' and specify the phone number you wish to dial.
I would love to use this method of connection since its free, but the time it takes to connect is very frustrating. I came here looking for some free software that would allow the voice call to be easily recognized as a data call so that I can continue using this facility.
I called T-mobile a while back and asked as to why it was so inconsistent, the cusomer representative replied saying 'You are getting away with it, it's not supposed to happen'. He said that they needed to enable CSD for my line for it to actually work. I had the CSD inactive according to him. I argued that I used voice dialing and not CSD, he didn't agree with me.
Lets keep this thread active and search for a solution, let me know what you guys think.
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That's very interesting! I have followed your steps exactly as above, however I can verify that mine doesn't actually dial out. Have you tried substituting your dialup number with your home phone number? That way you can verify at which stage the failure happens. For example, if your home phone rings, then we can conclude that you've managed to make WM6 dial out (which is further than what I've got), which most likely means it fails at the connecting stage.
That fact that I couldn't even get WM6 to dial out makes me think its a software issue more than a network limitation.

I think there's a problem with the Analogue CSD Modem on the TyTN II.
I've been trying to get mToken (http://www.choung.net/mToken/) to work as a simple VT100 async modem connection over the GSM cellular modem and have had no success. Works fine on my other WM5 device (XDA Orbit) using the same SIM card.
As another test I tried getting my ISP connection working over the dial-up Cellular Line (GSM) using start->settings->connections->connections and using then 'cellular line' option under modem selection. Again no success on the TyTN IIl. Again this works perfectly on my other XDA Orbit device.
I have a case open with HTC UK who are still investigating the analogue modem problem on this device.
There's another thread relating to this here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=357234

I've managed to call my home phone using the "Cellular Line" option when creating new connection. I'm using Q-Mobile 1.2 ROM with radio 1.27.12.32...

svilendotorg said:
I've managed to call my home phone using the "Cellular Line" option when creating new connection. I'm using Q-Mobile 1.2 ROM with radio 1.27.12.32...
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I can also dial out to any analogue phone no problem using the 'cellular line' modem. The trouble is the HTC's modem is not able to establish a connection if you have an analogue data modem at the other end - it just hangs indefinitely.

zoggo said:
I can also dial out to any analogue phone no problem using the 'cellular line' modem. The trouble is the HTC's modem is not able to establish a connection if you have an analogue data modem at the other end - it just hangs indefinitely.
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Interesting... the problem of not being able to dial out seems more and more like a software problem. In particular, it looks tied to the Radio ROM since I'm on the 1.27.12.17
I'll try some other Radio's and report back the results. zoggo, if you don't mind, please tell us what version of radio are you using. Wouldn't hurt to let us know which rom you're running as well.
Thanks

explorer82 said:
Hi everyone
I use T-mobile in USA, I have the myFaves plan, it allows me to call 5 numbers of my choice for free. One of these numbers is a Dial-up number that I use to dial out and connect to the internet. However it takes about 20-30 attempts before I make a connection (or sometimes it connects in just 2 attempts).
The point is, I've done it and it actually works. All you need to do is go in 'Connections' and add a new connection. Select 'Cellular Line' and specify the phone number you wish to dial.
I would love to use this method of connection since its free, but the time it takes to connect is very frustrating. I came here looking for some free software that would allow the voice call to be easily recognized as a data call so that I can continue using this facility.
I called T-mobile a while back and asked as to why it was so inconsistent, the cusomer representative replied saying 'You are getting away with it, it's not supposed to happen'. He said that they needed to enable CSD for my line for it to actually work. I had the CSD inactive according to him. I argued that I used voice dialing and not CSD, he didn't agree with me.
Lets keep this thread active and search for a solution, let me know what you guys think.
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Interesting, I wonder if my provider will charge me data for this

The topic becomes more and more interesting;
now i have an idea - to connect an old gsm phone to my linux server and configure it as a dial-in server/gateway, with free data plan between my Kaiser's SIM card and my server's one... This way i will have 500 free minutes of internet every month
The problem is...i don't know how to do it ...yet

12.32 is no good
shinji1 said:
Interesting... the problem of not being able to dial out seems more and more like a software problem. In particular, it looks tied to the Radio ROM since I'm on the 1.27.12.17
I'll try some other Radio's and report back the results. zoggo, if you don't mind, please tell us what version of radio are you using. Wouldn't hurt to let us know which rom you're running as well.
Thanks
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I have just tried the 12.32 radio and I'm still not able to dial out. Just to clarify, I couldn't even get the connection to dial out.
So this means something other than the radio rom is allowing zoggo and svilendotorg's kaiser to dial out to an analog number from a connection. If you dont mind zoggo, can you tell us what ROM you're running on? I myself am running on dutty's v3 final.
Thanks

shinji1 said:
I have just tried the 12.32 radio and I'm still not able to dial out. Just to clarify, I couldn't even get the connection to dial out.
So this means something other than the radio rom is allowing zoggo and svilendotorg's kaiser to dial out to an analog number from a connection. If you dont mind zoggo, can you tell us what ROM you're running on? I myself am running on dutty's v3 final.
Thanks
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I'm running the original versions supplied with my Kaiser:
ROM version 1.56.405.5
ROM date: 08/28/07
Radio version: 1.27.12.11
Protocol version:22.45.88.07H

New developments
Thank you all for the feedback, I was on phone with the T-mobile Customer care (level 3 data) today. According to this very knowledgeable person, it is 'supposed' to work and we are 'supposed' to connect without any problems.
This also goes with the fact that there wont be any data call charges if we use the dial-up connection. However we will be using our voice minutes, depends on your plan.
The representative explained to me that CSD was only used for incoming data calls, like fax etc. and assured me that I did not need CSD for it to work properly (he proved my point). T-mobile offers CSD option for additional fee every month. I also told him that I was able to connect many times before, but the connection was inconsistent (30 attempts etc.).
To shinji1: I used Q-Mobile 1.1 with radio ROM 1.27.12.32 and was able to dial out properly (In fact, I personally think that this is the best radio ROM for this purpose). Currently I use dutty's v3 ROM with the same radio and was able to establish a dial-up connection many times before. You better flash to these ROMs; there is no tweaking involved, just flash and try to connect.
The mToken utility looks very promising. I'll tinker with it later and let you guys know my progress. As zoggo pointed out, this indeed could be yet another HTC software problem (or even the new windows mobile problem), lets hope they solve it.
Finally, I noticed that I am able to establish a connection on some days and failing to do the same on others (no matter how many times I try). So if its not working for you, try connecting again after 2-3 days? Its just a hunch, but its an observation I made.

explorer82 said:
Thank you all for the feedback, I was on phone with the T-mobile Customer care (level 3 data) today. According to this very knowledgeable person, it is 'supposed' to work and we are 'supposed' to connect without any problems.
This also goes with the fact that there wont be any data call charges if we use the dial-up connection. However we will be using our voice minutes, depends on your plan.
The representative explained to me that CSD was only used for incoming data calls, like fax etc. and assured me that I did not need CSD for it to work properly (he proved my point). T-mobile offers CSD option for additional fee every month. I also told him that I was able to connect many times before, but the connection was inconsistent (30 attempts etc.).
To shinji1: I used Q-Mobile 1.1 with radio ROM 1.27.12.32 and was able to dial out properly (In fact, I personally think that this is the best radio ROM for this purpose). Currently I use dutty's v3 ROM with the same radio and was able to establish a dial-up connection many times before. You better flash to these ROMs; there is no tweaking involved, just flash and try to connect.
The mToken utility looks very promising. I'll tinker with it later and let you guys know my progress. As zoggo pointed out, this indeed could be yet another HTC software problem (or even the new windows mobile problem), lets hope they solve it.
Finally, I noticed that I am able to establish a connection on some days and failing to do the same on others (no matter how many times I try). So if its not working for you, try connecting again after 2-3 days? Its just a hunch, but its an observation I made.
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Did he explain why it doesn't work consistently?

Touch Pro + Exchange + 3G + T-mob = No Go

Hello everyone,
Got my Touch Pro yesterday, first impressions were good but I just realised that there is no way to get my exchange to sync through 3G (or even GPRS).
I'm with 1and1, my parameters are fine (they work on my Vario III with the same SIM card). I'm with T-mobile (I know the 3G reception is not good on the TP, I had to switch to 2G to avoid getting cut off during a call, but I get 4 bars from my desk in a loft, so that shouldn't be a problem!).
I tried the default t-mobile parameters setup by the touch, and I tried to configure the connection manually with the parameters that work well with my Vario III:
APN: general.t-mobile.uk
User name: user or nothing (instead of T-mobile)
Password: pass or nothing
Still a no go. I get the same error message:
Activesync cannot reach the server. Check that the server address and proxy server settings are correct.
Support code: 0x80072F78
I've called 1and1 and they say they support WinMo6.1.
Anyone with T-mobile able to sync an exchange account on 3G/GPRS?
Would you mind sharing parameters?
I could live with the Touch Pro with 2G until they release a better rom/radio, but I can't live without push email/exchange!
By the way, there is no problem with the server itself or the exchange parameters, it synchronizes fine on wifi, so it looks like it's a touch pro (works on Vario III), winmo6.1 (works on Winmo 6.0) or t-mobile (works on wifi) issue!
Thanks for your help!
PS: before you ask, I did a hard reset to make sure there is no problem with third party software, this is after a hard reset...

Manni01 said:
Hello everyone,
Got my Touch Pro yesterday, first impressions were good but I just realised that there is no way to get my exchange to sync through 3G (or even GPRS).
I'm with 1and1, my parameters are fine (they work on my Vario III with the same SIM card). I'm with T-mobile (I know the 3G reception is not good on the TP, I had to switch to 2G to avoid getting cut off during a call, but I get 4 bars from my desk in a loft, so that shouldn't be a problem!).
I tried the default t-mobile parameters setup by the touch, and I tried to configure the connection manually with the parameters that work well with my Vario III:
APN: general.t-mobile.uk
User name: user or nothing (instead of T-mobile)
Password: pass or nothing
Still a no go. I get the same error message:
Activesync cannot reach the server. Check that the server address and proxy server settings are correct.
Support code: 0x80072F78
I've called 1and1 and they say they support WinMo6.1.
Anyone with T-mobile able to sync an exchange account on 3G/GPRS?
Would you mind sharing parameters?
I could live with the Touch Pro with 2G until they release a better rom/radio, but I can't live without push email/exchange!
By the way, there is no problem with the server itself or the exchange parameters, it synchronizes fine on wifi, so it looks like it's a touch pro (works on Vario III), winmo6.1 (works on Winmo 6.0) or t-mobile (works on wifi) issue!
Thanks for your help!
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Use the settings the connection manager applies automatically....untick the proxy server and you should be good to go, i also am on tmobile UK, same settings and use an exchange server. The proxy has been messing which alot of stuff recently, im sure theyve changed something on it since this happened on my Hermes aswell.
Perhaps flash the newer radio onto your Raph....update to HardSPL first then flash Radio 1.02.25.31 to your device from the wiki pages. Read everything to the letter and ul be fine.

mrvanx said:
Use the settings the connection manager applies automatically....untick the proxy server and you should be good to go, i also am on tmobile UK, same settings and use an exchange server. The proxy has been messing which alot of stuff recently, im sure theyve changed something on it since this happened on my Hermes aswell.
Perhaps flash the newer radio onto your Raph....update to HardSPL first then flash Radio 1.02.25.31 to your device from the wiki pages. Read everything to the letter and ul be fine.
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Thank you, that was quick and efficient! Unticking the proxy did the trick (even with the manual parameters).

Manni01 said:
Thank you, that was quick and efficient! Unticking the proxy did the trick (even with the manual parameters).
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yer its a weird problem tbh. Have you used the HSPA connection for a laptop/pc yet? fast as hell.

mrvanx said:
yer its a weird problem tbh. Have you used the HSPA connection for a laptop/pc yet? fast as hell.
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Not yet, trying to get the basics to work first. Used to do this with my Vario III (BT PAN) and was very happy with it. I'm hoping it will be faster with the TP.
Forgive me if I'm being think, but the radio you mentionned is listed as coming form Cingular in the wiki. Will it work with UK T-mob, and will it improve the 3G reception issue?

Manni01 said:
Not yet, trying to get the basics to work first. Used to do this with my Vario III (BT PAN) and was very happy with it. I'm hoping it will be faster with the TP.
Forgive me if I'm being think, but the radio you mentionned is listed as coming form Cingular in the wiki. Will it work with UK T-mob, and will it improve the 3G reception issue?
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Ive had some improvment with the reception yes, calls dont seem to drop as much, it works fine with tmobile.

it is possible.
Hi, I got a pro, use it on the dutch tmob netwerk, both G and H work fine with the (free) mail2web exchange service.

t-mobile uses standard proxy to bring webpages faster .. unfortionatly it doesnt map all other ports so youtube and such wont work either.. it keeps trying to connect when one plays a video. since it is not neccesary to have a proxyserver it is best practice to turn it off.

mrvanx said:
yer its a weird problem tbh. Have you used the HSPA connection for a laptop/pc yet? fast as hell.
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Hi MrVanx!
I've tried to setup my BT Pan as usual with my Vaio TZ11, and although the pairing and setup goes fine, when I try to connect I get a "connection is denied" error. Does the BT PAN work out of the box on the TP or do you need a tweak like on the Kaiser?

Sorry I'm afraid this was a "RTFM" case...
As the internet sharing option has disappeared from the comm manager, I assumed the connection was automatic...
Of course you need to launch internet sharing and select BT PAN...
It works great, I get 400-500kbps down and 300-400kbps down, 130-140ms ping. Far from my home broadband, but still good enough.
I tried with my Vario III, I get about the same results (with 3 bars on HSDPA on Kaiser, 4 on TP).
So two questions now:
1) Do you get better performance with T-Mobile UK on the Touch Pro (I'm in Salisbury)
2) Any way to bring Internet Sharing back to comm manager?

This worked for me
Man I wasted 30mins - had already read this post before I ordered and forgotten. XDA dev is the best!

3G - voice and data (do all calls take you to 1x)?

Hi All -
Sorry for a weird (simple) question:
I am used to GSM / At&T - where if you had a 3G connection you could talk on the phone and be on the internet at the same time.
Is CDMA / VZW different? I just talked to a tech and she said it wasn't possible.
Confused...
-Daniel

According to what I have read on this forum and experienced, with CDMA, you cannot be on the internet and on the phone at the same time.
If I am incorrect, I am sure someone will correct me!
KD8FRE

that is correct. It's not possible on CDMA.

Wow. Interesting.
I guess there's a map for that in AT&T's future.
Thanks all - appreciate it.
-D

I never really noticed any kind of problems with it. I can make a phone call while my phone is tethered and I can still also receive calls, I think it probably temporally boots you off 3G during the phone call but put you back on right after.

Yeah EVDO is "1x Evolution Data Only/Optimized" which means that once a voice call comes in you are switched to 1X mode.
The latest SVDO specification (recently released) allows carriers to quadruple their voice calls and also allows data and voice at the same time. However nobody has implemented this yet.

I believe no one will implement this.... Because all providers are going HSPA or right to LTE... Where we will be able to have data and voice at the same time.

3G - voice and data
You can talk and surf the internet but only if you establish a Wifi connection

relicsoul said:
You can talk and surf the internet but only if you establish a Wifi connection
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or if you use VoIP

Seriously though, what's the benefit of having an internet connection going at the same times as making a phone call? Please note, I'm not trying to be rude about this, I'm just curious about it.

Doesn't navigation(on sprint) use the internet? Im able to talk on the phone and still use navigation

There are some "live caller id" services which will do an online 411 lookup for any number that calls you, plus it's nice to be able to browse the internet to look something up while talking with someone (usually handsfree) for example if we're trying to decide on a movie or dinner or where to go out - all very handy to have a simultaneous internet and voice connection.

AstarteSV said:
Seriously though, what's the benefit of having an internet connection going at the same times as making a phone call? Please note, I'm not trying to be rude about this, I'm just curious about it.
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Two big ones:
1. Conference calls with email coming in. Like - your next meeting has been moved (exchange, push).
2. On phone call - someone asks a question that needs internet connection (I found it this way - they asked what the weather would be like on Sat (it was Monday). I said... hold on a sec... I'll find out... then realized that there is no internet... so I pulled my iPhone out of my pocket and checked it instead. Again - this is something that AT&T does today - just didn't think CDMA was behind the curve on it...
-Daniel

Cool, thanks for showing me the light

My problem (with Sprint) when I had to have a CDMA device is that there is a difference in signal between EVDO and 1X. For instance, I had full signal for EV, but hardly any for 1X... Thus I could be on data all I want, but I had troubles with phone calls....

AstarteSV said:
Seriously though, what's the benefit of having an internet connection going at the same times as making a phone call? Please note, I'm not trying to be rude about this, I'm just curious about it.
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yeah honey, i'll meet you ... where was that? let me punch it in my google maps... o wait CDMA FAIL

Best SIP software for HD2

Hi,
Could you please help me to find out best SIP software for HD2. I got PortSIP for my HTC HD2. It;s working very well on wifi connection. But not working at all on t-mobile UK 3g network. I get registration failed error. I just realised that PortSIP doesn't initiate the data connection at all. SO getting same message even though not connected to internet. My voip provider is actionvoip.
Any suggestions....

yes portsip does not initiate the 3G/data connection. But there is a work around. Open a web browser or any application that uses data and after connection has been established start portsip then it registers successfully.
I use Actionvoip on 3G without any problems.

diamondX04HT said:
yes portsip does not initiate the 3G/data connection. But there is a work around. Open a web browser or any application that uses data and after connection has been established start portsip then it registers successfully.
I use Actionvoip on 3G without any problems.
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Hi,
I tried same, But no success. On which network you are.. I am on t-mobile UK and i found following link (https://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/terms-and-conditions/combi/) in which thay have mentioned that
<b>
"you can't use your phone as a modem or use internet Plus for peer to peer file sharing, or making internet phone calls. *[Internet] Plus comes with a fair use policy of 3GB a month."</b>
So I am wondering wheather T-mobile is blocking my access to use any SIP software. Although i can use skype mobile on t-mobile.

pda_crazy said:
Hi,
I tried same, But no success. On which network you are.. I am on t-mobile UK and i found following link (https://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/terms-and-conditions/combi/) in which thay have mentioned that
<b>
"you can't use your phone as a modem or use internet Plus for peer to peer file sharing, or making internet phone calls. *[Internet] Plus comes with a fair use policy of 3GB a month."</b>
So I am wondering wheather T-mobile is blocking my access to use any SIP software. Although i can use skype mobile on t-mobile.
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I am on softbank in Japan

Skype is no SIP-software.
VoIP might also be blocked by your VoIP-provider. I use VoIP for my company and we had the problem that we could only sign in from the provider's own network. They didn't allow external connections to their VoIP-servers.
After we had some discussions on the matter we received a workaround, so we can use VoIP from anywhere in the world and customers can call us on the same number, where-ever we are

don't worry
try FRING for windows mobile.. its supported SIP .. WORK PERFECT

NIMBUZZ
Try nimbuzz messenger.

Maybe this one WVGA VoIP software with earpiece, HTC favorites import, dtmf support

Question Internet Speed Slow down when talking on any VOIP calls

I have no idea if someone posted this already, however I tried searching but came up with nothing especially since the search feature is wonky [Haven't been on here in a minute].
Jumping straight in, as the title suggest I am experiencing this weird phenomena. I'll be connected to WiFi pulling down 100mbps but whenever I go on a VOIP call (whether WhatsApp, Messenger or Google Duo) the Internet Speed slows all the way down to a crawl to the point where I can't use the phone while on a VOIP call as nothing will load.
I tried doing a speed test while on the call and it basically fails as it can't connect and eventually the internet slows to the point where the VOIP call disconnects.
If I'm on the VOIP call and I disconnect the wifi and mobile data comes in the call quality goes back to normal and the data speeds return to normal.
I've tried using several calling apps and it happens on all of them, voice and video.
I've changed my modem and the problem persists.
I tried connecting to another network and the problem persists.
Is anyone else having this issue?? Are there some developer settings or normal settings that I need to change??
I am impatiently waiting to see if an update will solve this issue.
Please, I really need help as I mainly stay in touch via VOIP apps and as is they are all currently unusable.

Arobase40 said:
I don't understand how you can't understand that VOIP takes more bandwidth especially if you have a much more limited Wifi than 4G or 5G...
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I think u missed the point.
It has nothing to do with bandwidth. There is no way the internet should slow down to a crawl and disconnect from a WhatsApp call when I have 150mbs down and I live alone.

Arobase40 said:
What is your Wifi version as 150 Mbps is only theoretical and VOIP (Call + Video) is taking much more bandwith when 4G/LTE can supply much more...
Are you on the 2,4 GHz or 5 GHz band ??? ^^
Then WhatsApp, Messenger or Google Duo could be badly developed but can't say which one is the worse as I don't use any of these apps...
You could also watch at your Wifi settings, including in the Developer option settings.
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Is there something I can use to take a detailed log of the internet activity before the call, during the call and after the call?

Arobase40 said:
First check out you are on the 5 GHz band otherwise this could be your problem....
Then , you can first watch at the Wifi settings, touch the 3 dots on the top right of your display, "Advanced" and you should find your Wifi history control (don't know the exact name as I have a french phone).
Then as I said you have many stuffs and logs in relation with Wifi in developer option Tab (but I don't know if you can access the log if you're not root...). I guess you know how to access to this option ?
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Currently on the 2.4Ghz Network. I get very poor signal from the 5Ghz.

what is the upload speed of the line?

N4Solomon said:
I have no idea if someone posted this already, however I tried searching but came up with nothing especially since the search feature is wonky [Haven't been on here in a minute].
Jumping straight in, as the title suggest I am experiencing this weird phenomena. I'll be connected to WiFi pulling down 100mbps but whenever I go on a VOIP call (whether WhatsApp, Messenger or Google Duo) the Internet Speed slows all the way down to a crawl to the point where I can't use the phone while on a VOIP call as nothing will load.
I tried doing a speed test while on the call and it basically fails as it can't connect and eventually the internet slows to the point where the VOIP call disconnects.
If I'm on the VOIP call and I disconnect the wifi and mobile data comes in the call quality goes back to normal and the data speeds return to normal.
I've tried using several calling apps and it happens on all of them, voice and video.
I've changed my modem and the problem persists.
I tried connecting to another network and the problem persists.
Is anyone else having this issue?? Are there some developer settings or normal settings that I need to change??
I am impatiently waiting to see if an update will solve this issue.
Please, I really need help as I mainly stay in touch via VOIP apps and as is they are all currently unusable.
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VoIP doesn't require a lot of bandwidth; a fraction of what you say you have available; 100Mbps is plenty. A couple things can be affecting it. 1) Your router does not have the capacity, or is configured improperly. Check your QoS settings. Or, 2) It is possible that your internet provider is throttling or blocking VoIP calls.
Does this happen every time, or only during certain times to the day?

Yeah voip doesnt require a lot. You can throw 10 users on a 1.5mbps line and be fine.

termdj said:
what is the upload speed of the line?
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50Mbps

gernerttl said:
VoIP doesn't require a lot of bandwidth; a fraction of what you say you have available; 100Mbps is plenty. A couple things can be affecting it. 1) Your router does not have the capacity, or is configured improperly. Check your QoS settings. Or, 2) It is possible that your internet provider is throttling or blocking VoIP calls.
Does this happen every time, or only during certain times to the day?
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It happens every single time, whether I am right infront of the modem or all the way in the back room.
Its a brand new modem/router. What am I looking for in QoS settings? (Or what should it be)
The possibility of throttling exist but not so much and I have been using them for years never blocked VOIP calls.

QoS is Quality of Service. It allows you to prioritize or optimize traffic type, by connected device, etc. Not all routers' firmware are the same, nor do all routers implement it the same, so unfortunately I can't be more specific.
Look for QoS settings that allow you to prioritize video/audio streaming. By default, most routers are set to balance all traffic evenly.
As for your internet provider, talk to them and ask if they are prioritizing certain traffic. They may not be, but it won't hurt to ask.

The reason I asked is that I have picked up on my line that when the upload part is being fully utilized, than the download gets heavily affected causing issues regarding voip etc...not sure if that is the case with you

N4Solomon said:
Currently on the 2.4Ghz Network. I get very poor signal from the 5Ghz.
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What results do you get with a speed test down/up with nothing else going on? Then try doing speed test during a VoIP call.
hyelton said:
Yeah voip doesnt require a lot. You can throw 10 users on a 1.5mbps line and be fine.
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Definitely agree with this, 100/50 is more than enough.

Rubby1025 said:
What results do you get with a speed test down/up with nothing else going on? Then try doing speed test during a VoIP call.
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To add to this. Do the speed test from a different device AND from the device itself. Make srue they are both connected to the same band.