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Hi All,
I posted a similar question before without too much response. So bear with me as I repost it here in this forum as you guys seems most knowledgeable.
In where I live, GPRS data cost an arm and a leg. They charge you something stupid like 10 dollars for 12 megs, WITHOUT the option of purchasing an unlimited plan. What I'm trying to find out is is it possible for our Kaisers to act as an analog modem so I can tether it to my laptop and dial-up to a local ISP? Sure the speed would be terrible, but at least I'll get connectivity without incurring tons of data charges.
Any insights would be greatly appreciated
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What I'm trying to find out is is it possible for our Kaisers to act as an analog modem so I can tether it to my laptop and dial-up to a local ISP? Sure the speed would be terrible, but at least I'll get connectivity without incurring tons of data charges.
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It would really suck if you're moving such as on a train or such because this kinda of data doesn't handle tower swapping.
It should be possible, depending on your phone provider. I know at&t used to allow it, but it's unavailable with any new plan now, for instance.
NuShrike said:
It would really suck if you're moving such as on a train or such because this kinda of data doesn't handle tower swapping.
It should be possible, depending on your phone provider. I know at&t used to allow it, but it's unavailable with any new plan now, for instance.
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Hm... interesting. Technically my phone provider can "dis-allow" their customers from dialing into an ISP using a voice call, but in reality can they really prevent you from doing so? I mean from their end its just any voice call right?
But I digress. Does anyone know how I can set up something like this in WM6? I tried doing the following :
1. Create a new Connection
2. Select "Cellular Line" as my modem type
3. Enter the phone number of my ISP
4. Connect using this new connection
But it fails, saying that it got a problem establishing the connection. At first I thought it was failing to establish carrier with the ISP, but later I found out that it doesn't even dial out but changing the number to my home phone number.
Any ideas would be appreciated.. thanks!!
Actually, there is a circuit you can build, for the electronically inclined, that will connect the headphone/mic ports on the kaiser to the 2wire hole on your laptop, enabling you to use your minutes to DIAL aol or msn or whatever.
tyeo098 said:
Actually, there is a circuit you can build, for the electronically inclined, that will connect the headphone/mic ports on the kaiser to the 2wire hole on your laptop, enabling you to use your minutes to DIAL aol or msn or whatever.
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Would that be akin to using a mini usb to rj11 adapter? That would certainly be doable! However, I would imagine some drivers needs to be installed. Say, for the WM6 device to act as a modem and for windows to detect it as a modem.
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Hm... interesting. Technically my phone provider can "dis-allow" their customers from dialing into an ISP using a voice call, but in reality can they really prevent you from doing so? I mean from their end its just any voice call right?
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I'm not sure how it's done, but my provider certainly does block it unless one is provisioned.
On my Sony Ericsson t637, I can ISP dialup on one sim that is provisioned on the monthly plan, but on the other cannot dial through. If you hand dial it, you can hear the other side's modem for fax (for example), but if you try tether dial for instance, it doesn't work. Either sim does not contain any network setup information and it's all on the same phone.
NuShrike said:
I'm not sure how it's done, but my provider certainly does block it unless one is provisioned.
On my Sony Ericsson t637, I can ISP dialup on one sim that is provisioned on the monthly plan, but on the other cannot dial through. If you hand dial it, you can hear the other side's modem for fax (for example), but if you try tether dial for instance, it doesn't work. Either sim does not contain any network setup information and it's all on the same phone.
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That's very interesting.... the fact that if you hand dial you hear the other side's modem but if you let WM6 dial through one of its connection setups you won't be able to connect.
This leads me to think it might be a software limitation. Any other thoughts?
I want to do this too and have the same issue of it not dialing. But if I hand-dial the number it connects (well, I hear the modem sound). Would it be possible to setup windows to work off those sounds? So instead of dialing, it will just send authentication information. Or dial without dial tone, then you hand-dial it on the cell, and route the "audio" to the modem?
It worked for me
Hi everyone
I use T-mobile in USA, I have the myFaves plan, it allows me to call 5 numbers of my choice for free. One of these numbers is a Dial-up number that I use to dial out and connect to the internet. However it takes about 20-30 attempts before I make a connection (or sometimes it connects in just 2 attempts).
The point is, I've done it and it actually works. All you need to do is go in 'Connections' and add a new connection. Select 'Cellular Line' and specify the phone number you wish to dial.
I would love to use this method of connection since its free, but the time it takes to connect is very frustrating. I came here looking for some free software that would allow the voice call to be easily recognized as a data call so that I can continue using this facility.
I called T-mobile a while back and asked as to why it was so inconsistent, the cusomer representative replied saying 'You are getting away with it, it's not supposed to happen'. He said that they needed to enable CSD for my line for it to actually work. I had the CSD inactive according to him. I argued that I used voice dialing and not CSD, he didn't agree with me.
Lets keep this thread active and search for a solution, let me know what you guys think.
explorer82 said:
Hi everyone
I use T-mobile in USA, I have the myFaves plan, it allows me to call 5 numbers of my choice for free. One of these numbers is a Dial-up number that I use to dial out and connect to the internet. However it takes about 20-30 attempts before I make a connection (or sometimes it connects in just 2 attempts).
The point is, I've done it and it actually works. All you need to do is go in 'Connections' and add a new connection. Select 'Cellular Line' and specify the phone number you wish to dial.
I would love to use this method of connection since its free, but the time it takes to connect is very frustrating. I came here looking for some free software that would allow the voice call to be easily recognized as a data call so that I can continue using this facility.
I called T-mobile a while back and asked as to why it was so inconsistent, the cusomer representative replied saying 'You are getting away with it, it's not supposed to happen'. He said that they needed to enable CSD for my line for it to actually work. I had the CSD inactive according to him. I argued that I used voice dialing and not CSD, he didn't agree with me.
Lets keep this thread active and search for a solution, let me know what you guys think.
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That's very interesting! I have followed your steps exactly as above, however I can verify that mine doesn't actually dial out. Have you tried substituting your dialup number with your home phone number? That way you can verify at which stage the failure happens. For example, if your home phone rings, then we can conclude that you've managed to make WM6 dial out (which is further than what I've got), which most likely means it fails at the connecting stage.
That fact that I couldn't even get WM6 to dial out makes me think its a software issue more than a network limitation.
I think there's a problem with the Analogue CSD Modem on the TyTN II.
I've been trying to get mToken (http://www.choung.net/mToken/) to work as a simple VT100 async modem connection over the GSM cellular modem and have had no success. Works fine on my other WM5 device (XDA Orbit) using the same SIM card.
As another test I tried getting my ISP connection working over the dial-up Cellular Line (GSM) using start->settings->connections->connections and using then 'cellular line' option under modem selection. Again no success on the TyTN IIl. Again this works perfectly on my other XDA Orbit device.
I have a case open with HTC UK who are still investigating the analogue modem problem on this device.
There's another thread relating to this here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=357234
I've managed to call my home phone using the "Cellular Line" option when creating new connection. I'm using Q-Mobile 1.2 ROM with radio 1.27.12.32...
svilendotorg said:
I've managed to call my home phone using the "Cellular Line" option when creating new connection. I'm using Q-Mobile 1.2 ROM with radio 1.27.12.32...
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I can also dial out to any analogue phone no problem using the 'cellular line' modem. The trouble is the HTC's modem is not able to establish a connection if you have an analogue data modem at the other end - it just hangs indefinitely.
zoggo said:
I can also dial out to any analogue phone no problem using the 'cellular line' modem. The trouble is the HTC's modem is not able to establish a connection if you have an analogue data modem at the other end - it just hangs indefinitely.
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Interesting... the problem of not being able to dial out seems more and more like a software problem. In particular, it looks tied to the Radio ROM since I'm on the 1.27.12.17
I'll try some other Radio's and report back the results. zoggo, if you don't mind, please tell us what version of radio are you using. Wouldn't hurt to let us know which rom you're running as well.
Thanks
explorer82 said:
Hi everyone
I use T-mobile in USA, I have the myFaves plan, it allows me to call 5 numbers of my choice for free. One of these numbers is a Dial-up number that I use to dial out and connect to the internet. However it takes about 20-30 attempts before I make a connection (or sometimes it connects in just 2 attempts).
The point is, I've done it and it actually works. All you need to do is go in 'Connections' and add a new connection. Select 'Cellular Line' and specify the phone number you wish to dial.
I would love to use this method of connection since its free, but the time it takes to connect is very frustrating. I came here looking for some free software that would allow the voice call to be easily recognized as a data call so that I can continue using this facility.
I called T-mobile a while back and asked as to why it was so inconsistent, the cusomer representative replied saying 'You are getting away with it, it's not supposed to happen'. He said that they needed to enable CSD for my line for it to actually work. I had the CSD inactive according to him. I argued that I used voice dialing and not CSD, he didn't agree with me.
Lets keep this thread active and search for a solution, let me know what you guys think.
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Interesting, I wonder if my provider will charge me data for this
The topic becomes more and more interesting;
now i have an idea - to connect an old gsm phone to my linux server and configure it as a dial-in server/gateway, with free data plan between my Kaiser's SIM card and my server's one... This way i will have 500 free minutes of internet every month
The problem is...i don't know how to do it ...yet
12.32 is no good
shinji1 said:
Interesting... the problem of not being able to dial out seems more and more like a software problem. In particular, it looks tied to the Radio ROM since I'm on the 1.27.12.17
I'll try some other Radio's and report back the results. zoggo, if you don't mind, please tell us what version of radio are you using. Wouldn't hurt to let us know which rom you're running as well.
Thanks
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I have just tried the 12.32 radio and I'm still not able to dial out. Just to clarify, I couldn't even get the connection to dial out.
So this means something other than the radio rom is allowing zoggo and svilendotorg's kaiser to dial out to an analog number from a connection. If you dont mind zoggo, can you tell us what ROM you're running on? I myself am running on dutty's v3 final.
Thanks
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I have just tried the 12.32 radio and I'm still not able to dial out. Just to clarify, I couldn't even get the connection to dial out.
So this means something other than the radio rom is allowing zoggo and svilendotorg's kaiser to dial out to an analog number from a connection. If you dont mind zoggo, can you tell us what ROM you're running on? I myself am running on dutty's v3 final.
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I'm running the original versions supplied with my Kaiser:
ROM version 1.56.405.5
ROM date: 08/28/07
Radio version: 1.27.12.11
Protocol version:22.45.88.07H
New developments
Thank you all for the feedback, I was on phone with the T-mobile Customer care (level 3 data) today. According to this very knowledgeable person, it is 'supposed' to work and we are 'supposed' to connect without any problems.
This also goes with the fact that there wont be any data call charges if we use the dial-up connection. However we will be using our voice minutes, depends on your plan.
The representative explained to me that CSD was only used for incoming data calls, like fax etc. and assured me that I did not need CSD for it to work properly (he proved my point). T-mobile offers CSD option for additional fee every month. I also told him that I was able to connect many times before, but the connection was inconsistent (30 attempts etc.).
To shinji1: I used Q-Mobile 1.1 with radio ROM 1.27.12.32 and was able to dial out properly (In fact, I personally think that this is the best radio ROM for this purpose). Currently I use dutty's v3 ROM with the same radio and was able to establish a dial-up connection many times before. You better flash to these ROMs; there is no tweaking involved, just flash and try to connect.
The mToken utility looks very promising. I'll tinker with it later and let you guys know my progress. As zoggo pointed out, this indeed could be yet another HTC software problem (or even the new windows mobile problem), lets hope they solve it.
Finally, I noticed that I am able to establish a connection on some days and failing to do the same on others (no matter how many times I try). So if its not working for you, try connecting again after 2-3 days? Its just a hunch, but its an observation I made.
explorer82 said:
Thank you all for the feedback, I was on phone with the T-mobile Customer care (level 3 data) today. According to this very knowledgeable person, it is 'supposed' to work and we are 'supposed' to connect without any problems.
This also goes with the fact that there wont be any data call charges if we use the dial-up connection. However we will be using our voice minutes, depends on your plan.
The representative explained to me that CSD was only used for incoming data calls, like fax etc. and assured me that I did not need CSD for it to work properly (he proved my point). T-mobile offers CSD option for additional fee every month. I also told him that I was able to connect many times before, but the connection was inconsistent (30 attempts etc.).
To shinji1: I used Q-Mobile 1.1 with radio ROM 1.27.12.32 and was able to dial out properly (In fact, I personally think that this is the best radio ROM for this purpose). Currently I use dutty's v3 ROM with the same radio and was able to establish a dial-up connection many times before. You better flash to these ROMs; there is no tweaking involved, just flash and try to connect.
The mToken utility looks very promising. I'll tinker with it later and let you guys know my progress. As zoggo pointed out, this indeed could be yet another HTC software problem (or even the new windows mobile problem), lets hope they solve it.
Finally, I noticed that I am able to establish a connection on some days and failing to do the same on others (no matter how many times I try). So if its not working for you, try connecting again after 2-3 days? Its just a hunch, but its an observation I made.
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Did he explain why it doesn't work consistently?
Basically this is my problem.
On my XDA Guide, on touchflow, there is a weather section and when ever you accidentally go over it, 3G kicks in and updates it and costs me a hefty some every time i do this. There are other times when 3G kicks in. so eventually i turned this off correctly how ever when i was trying to overcome this problem, for some idiotic reason i went to connections, and deleted all of the profiles, i.e the cellular network, the other cellular network (3G & GPRS) etc.. And ever since that i cant make calls or recieve texts. My sim is VIRGIN at the moment. when i try to make a call all i get is 3 beeps. and the call ends. Any ideas on how to fix this PLEASE!!
i remade all the profiles i deleted (i think) so i dont understand why. Perhaps this isnt the reason for it not working? i dont know
http://www.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-add-wi-fi-calling-support-its-nexus-6-model-early-2015
Shipping with Android 5.0, the new Nexus 6 gives customers the latest and greatest Google mobile experience, and seamless integration with the apps they love. Plus, this hot new smartphone is expected to support Wi-Fi Un-leashed beginning in early 2015 with an over-the-air update– making it the first-ever Nexus device that will support Wi-Fi Calling thanks to enhancements in Android 5.0. And only with the Un-carrier can customers use the latest, super-sized devices the way they were meant to be used – with no annual service contract, no domestic overages and unlimited music streaming all on the nation's fastest LTE network, plus unlimited data and texting in 120+ countries and destinations − and now, Wi-Fi Un-leashed.
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Will this be exclusive to the Nexus 6? If it is, surely it will be possible to port it to the Nexus 5?
Here's to hoping we get this included in our 5.0 update.
my first thought, which is nothing more than a guess, is that this will be hardware based on the N6 and "unlocked" with a T-Mo OTA and will not be able to be ported to the N5.
Lucke said:
my first thought, which is nothing more than a guess, is that this will be hardware based on the N6 and "unlocked" with a T-Mo OTA and will not be able to be ported to the N5.
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considering Tmobile is making this feature available in early 2015 with an OTA I think you are right in guess that this will be something Tmobile bakes into the OS and not functionality native in Android L
Edit: Unless Google has a planned update for L in early 2015 that Tmobile knows about (I highly doubt it)
Improved network handoffs resulting in limited interruption in connectivity. For example, continue your video chat or VoIP calls without interruption as you leave the house and switch from your home Wi-Fi back to cellular
thats from here https://www.android.com/versions/lollipop-5-0/
I think wifi calling and voLTE are going to be baked into 5.0 no matter the carrier
david279 said:
Improved network handoffs resulting in limited interruption in connectivity. For example, continue your video chat or VoIP calls without interruption as you leave the house and switch from your home Wi-Fi back to cellular
thats from here https://www.android.com/versions/lollipop-5-0/
I think wifi calling and voLTE are going to be baked into 5.0 no matter the carrier
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that's my suspicion as well..
google may bake hangouts code (or the hangouts dialer code) into the native dialer, making them one & the same -
http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-5/436152-nexus-5-likely-see-wi-fi-calling-over-t-mobile-soon-4.html#post3918556
david279 said:
Improved network handoffs resulting in limited interruption in connectivity. For example, continue your video chat or VoIP calls without interruption as you leave the house and switch from your home Wi-Fi back to cellular
thats from here https://www.android.com/versions/lollipop-5-0/
I think wifi calling and voLTE are going to be baked into 5.0 no matter the carrier
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but that doesn't necessarily mean that t-mobiles wi-fi calling feature, or VoLTE compatibility is baked into 5.0. VoLTE is too new to test fully, and while that may work, you can't use VoLTE on wi-fi. the features you're talking about is the issue of dropping signal for that split second when you leave your house (the time where wi-fi drops off and cell doesn't re-establish itself instantly) for the purpose of hangouts (voice or video).
i still think that since the N5 isn't compatible with t-mo's wi-fi calling, it's not just a software thing.
that is talking about network handoff in general, nothing about hangouts. And the ota to enable this feature will be released next year so its probably being tweaked now to be ready for next year.
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also wifi calling has never been a hardware feature, its all software. back in the day of early CM(7 or 8) wifi calling was added to all the T-mo htc phones and it was the same as its being done today. A apps and a couple of libs in /system.
in other words, the feature doesn't need a carrier add -on (ims core registration), if it's OS software based..
even right now, we *have it* on the nexus 5, with gv / hangouts / number integration, on wifi & lte & I can stream a youtube vid & be on a call at the same time, so right now, it's a given in the userspace via apps, as an over the top solution (works dam well too)
a revision of android L may deeply provide a seemless solution with it's update; I suspect this much.. (the carrier's ims' Ok on data voice is only complementary) but, can be worked around..
j'vai said:
even right now, we *have it* on the nexus 5, with gv / hangouts / number integration, on wifi & lte & I can stream a youtube vid & be on a call at the same time, so right now, it's a given in the userspace via apps, as an over the top solution (works dam well too)
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its not the same thing. you go from cell signal call to a wifi call with the same number. it is not VoIP.
Zepius said:
its not the same thing. you go from cell signal call to a wifi call with the same number. it is not VoIP.
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even currently, hand-offs isn't reliable, votle / wifi calling is more, stationary than anything, from what I've been reading from the experiences of users on tmobile & Verizon..
with the over the top solution now on the nexus 5 (or many adroid devices), same difference;
one better, technically the nexus 5 isn't even supported on Verizon, but yet, can have voice over lte on Verizon (AWS) with a lte data only connection ..
on other networks, it matters not what the data air interface is, the call can be made, with one solution..
j'vai said:
even currently, hand-offs isn't reliable, votle / wifi calling is more, stationary than anything, from what I've been reading from the experiences of users on tmobile & Verizon..
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this is impossible. Verizon does not have wifi calling at this time.
you cannot compare VoLTE to tmobile's WIFI calling as they are not the same.
VoLTE is only VoIP over LTE. nothing more.
tmobile's wifi calling is a regular cell signal call that can become a VoIP call but still use the original tmobile number.
Zepius said:
this is impossible. Verizon does not have wifi calling at this time.
you cannot compare VoLTE to tmobile's WIFI calling as they are not the same.
VoLTE is only VoIP over LTE. nothing more.
tmobile's wifi calling is a regular cell signal call that can become a VoIP call but still use the original tmobile number.
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look at what you've typed, & go back & re-read what you quoted from me...
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"Keyan X
3 hours ago
The nexus 5 can access and use Verizon LTE its been proven and confirmed"
"iavaj jj
3 hours ago (edited)
+Keyan X I'm not disagreeing with you that it DOESN'T work; just expanding that, from my prior post, one can have unfettered data & voice on Verizon's LTE band 4, where coverage is..
Google gave the nexus 5 a backdoor with the new hangouts dialer.."
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Zepius said:
this is impossible. Verizon does not have wifi calling at this time.
you cannot compare VoLTE to tmobile's WIFI calling as they are not the same.
VoLTE is only VoIP over LTE. nothing more.
tmobile's wifi calling is a regular cell signal call that can become a VoIP call but still use the original tmobile number.
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"on other networks, it matters not what the data air interface is, the call can be made, with one solution.. "
I'm on sprint, with gv integration, all I'd need is data -
http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-5/436152-nexus-5-likely-see-wi-fi-calling-over-t-mobile-soon-5.html
anywhere in the world, I'd have the same 202 (wash dc) area code calling out..
j'vai said:
even currently, hand-offs isn't reliable, votle / wifi calling is more, stationary than anything, from what I've been reading from the experiences of users on tmobile & Verizon..
with the over the top solution now on the nexus 5 (or many adroid devices), same difference;
one better, technically the nexus 5 isn't even supported on Verizon, but yet, can have voice over lte on Verizon (AWS) with a lte data only connection ..
on other networks, it matters not what the data air interface is, the call can be made, with one solution..
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nexus 5 does not work on voice over lte(volte) that verizon has. yes, verizons volte just began. no, the nexus 5 does not work on it. only thing that the n5 can do on verizon is get data.
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nexus 5 does not work on voice over lte(volte) that verizon has.
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if it can ALREADY obtain the lte data service ( as in the youtube video) what would hinder gv from making & receiving calls with an over the top solution, with just Verizon acting as a dumb pipe?
it hasn't stopped me on sprint, nor tmobile, I guess it wouldn't stop me on att..
what would stop it on Verizon?
j'vai said:
look at what you've typed, & go back & re-read what you quoted from me...
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"Keyan X
3 hours ago
The nexus 5 can access and use Verizon LTE its been proven and confirmed"
"iavaj jj
3 hours ago (edited)
+Keyan X I'm not disagreeing with you that it DOESN'T work; just expanding that, from my prior post, one can have unfettered data & voice on Verizon's LTE band 4, where coverage is..
Google gave the nexus 5 a backdoor with the new hangouts dialer.."
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"on other networks, it matters not what the data air interface is, the call can be made, with one solution.. "
I'm on sprint, with gv integration, all I'd need is data -
http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-5/436152-nexus-5-likely-see-wi-fi-calling-over-t-mobile-soon-5.html
anywhere in the world, I'd have the same 202 (wash dc) area code calling out..
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you still do not understand the difference between VoIP, VoLTE, and wifi callling
I guess the majority are stuck on the schematics of volte, as only being ims based implemented by the carrier, also wifi calling or it ain't real -
"VoLTE, Voice over LTE is an IMS-based specification. Adopting this approach, it enables the system to be integrated with the suite of applications that will become available on LTE."
http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/cellulartelecomms/lte-long-term-evolution/voice-over-lte-volte.php
I'm not swayed by market speak, when the solution is at hand already, market speak sways many to purchases not needed, wen what they had in hand already could have done the job perfectly..
j'vai said:
if it can ALREADY obtain the lte data service ( as in the youtube video) what would hinder gv from making & receiving calls with an over the top solution, with just Verizon acting as a dumb pipe?
it hasn't stopped me on sprint, nor tmobile, I guess it wouldn't stop me on att..
what would stop it on Verizon?
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thats fine, use your google voice number on the data only connection. you said that voice calls work over volte. when in fact they do not. older lte tech did not allow voice calls over lte, so when you made calls, you switched to H or 3G. this new tech allows calls over lte now, which needs a device that can call over lte. the nexus 5 can not call over lte, but most new phones will be able to now.
Zepius said:
you still do not understand the difference between VoIP, VoLTE, and wifi callling
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market speak aside the division of wifi, lte, voip calling, is calls over data - which I expressed my sentiment here (posted for the second time)-
http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-5/436152-nexus-5-likely-see-wi-fi-calling-over-t-mobile-soon-5.html#post3929214
guess I need to copy & paste w/o the pics -
"have a hacker mindset, & push things to work how you want them;
forget simply wifi calling, I want it all, *data calling* irrelevant of the air interface used;
I have a truphone sim, that was collecting dust in my wallet for the longest, last night I decided to try something,
*use it*, lol
it had like $39 odd on it in credit, as stated, I'm a current sprint sub, with google voice integration, I've gave the truphone number to no one, it's basically dormant, minus test calls to keep the account alive, but it's no contact number for me..
what I'm did last night was swap my sprint sim, for the truphone sim, to utilize it's data, while still having my main sprint number via google voice, which I can receive & make, calls, videochat, mms, sms via hangouts, I've set hangouts to *receive incoming calls* since the native dialer isn't tied to the sprint sim anymore (so no double rings from hangouts & the native dialer)...
I want to see how far that $39 will take me..
at home & at work, I'm connect to wifi, so only in between, out & about am I utilizing truphone AKA tmobile's hspa data service-
all calls via the hangouts / gv / sprint number are nothing but data calls, ither on tmobile's hspa or wifi, likewise with sms, mms, & of course video chat.."
I won't have to upgrade from the nexus 5, for the same feature set..
j'vai said:
market speak aside the division of wifi, lte, voip calling, is calls over data - which I expressed my sentiment here (posted for the second time)-
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I won't have to upgrade from the nexus 5, for the same feature set..
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congrats. you discovered VoIP.
VoIP is not the same as VoLTE
VoIP is not the same as WIFI calling.
i'm correcting you because you are spreading mis-information.
simms22 said:
thats fine, use your google voice number on the data only connection. you said that voice calls work over volte. when in fact they do not. older lte tech did not allow voice calls over lte, so when you made calls, you switched to H or 3G. this new tech allows calls over lte now, which needs a device that can call over lte. the nexus 5 can not call over lte, but most new phones will be able to now.
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*my voice calls over lte with google voice on the nexus 5 works wOnders*
& I can use the browser, stream from youtube while on a call.. I don't have to wait for the carriers to *OK* the phone from their IMS core.. I simply go over the top of it, for the same functionality..
Hello,
does anyone know if there is a possibility to have phonecall and internet access at the same time?
As I have seen this is only possible on "H+" .
Is this a limitation of carrier or phone/android?
If it is phone or android related: Is there a setting that can be changed?
Carrier is T-Mobile D
I would like to have a phone call and access google maps while driving...
Also I would like to be able to send message or picture while calling (and not driving).
BR,
Robert
debart said:
Hello,
does anyone know if there is a possibility to have phonecall and internet access at the same time?
As I have seen this is only possible on "H+" .
Is this a limitation of carrier or phone/android?
If it is phone or android related: Is there a setting that can be changed?
Carrier is T-Mobile D
I would like to have a phone call and access google maps while driving...
Also I would like to be able to send message or picture while calling (and not driving).
BR,
Robert
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Your observation is correct, only 3G is currently able to provide both at the same time. 2G or native GSM doesn't provide enough bandwidth and unfortunately 4G came out without implementing the necessary protocol. This has been remedied however with "VoLTE", but only a couple of mobiles and providers have started to provide this service.
So if this feature is important to you set your mobile to 3G (WCDMA) only.
Regards Helmuth
debart said:
Hello,
does anyone know if there is a possibility to have phonecall and internet access at the same time?
As I have seen this is only possible on "H+" .
Is this a limitation of carrier or phone/android?
If it is phone or android related: Is there a setting that can be changed?
Carrier is T-Mobile D
I would like to have a phone call and access google maps while driving...
Also I would like to be able to send message or picture while calling (and not driving).
BR,
Robert
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When u calling and u trying surfing too the data speed are drastically decreased because voice goes over 3g (depends where are you).and you trying to do multitasking over their signal which is in most cases impossible
But it has been slightly speeded up..
I red that mine operator (3) will be using 4g for voice calls at end of this year so it will be cool..
But one thing bugs me in that article (link below)that smartphone needs to support it too? Mate 7 has already this feature! Lte cat 6 ca or carrier agregation !
http://m.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2405669/three-well-bring-volte-to-the-iphone-7
I've posted about this throughout the board, but I figured it would be better to make a thread since everyone keeps asking about it.
You'll need to install Google Voice and Hangouts Dialer and set them up. That's it. Just use the Hangouts dialer when making a call and it will do it over WiFi. If you wish to have people call you over WiFi, they'll have to call your Google Voice number.
This is a workaround, so you will be dealing with two numbers. Your carrier assigned number and your GV number. In my GV settings I have chosen to use GV for all calls, now I just have to get the number out to people. The other option is to port your current cell number over to GV, and then you won't have to notify anyone.
The VZW signal at my house is terrible, so this is what I do, and I can tell you it works perfectly. Hope this helps some of you with poor wireless reception.
Cheers.
This works so well, and I love the features that GV offers, call screening, texting from your computer, etc, plus the fact that I plan on buying unlocked phones going forward, that I decided to port my number over to Google Voice. Now it doesn't matter if the phone I buy supports my carriers WiFi calling or vice versa, and I'm only dealing with the one number I've had for years. Couldn't be happier.
Yeah, I just called ATT for help provisioning my daughter in law's replacement iPhone and while I had support on the phone I asked them about Wifi Calling and she said that our phone is not on the BYOD list for wifi calling. She said that very few phones are, it;s pretty much the iPhone 6 and 6s at this time.
Which is weird, because wifi-calling isn't even going through their network. That's the point of wifi calling, that you are using your phone on someone's wifi, so why does AT&T even give a rat's a$$ if you do that? So weird...
So if my network provider has WiFi calling as part of my deal as standard will it work without the work around?
combat goofwing said:
So if my network provider has WiFi calling as part of my deal as standard will it work without the work around?
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If Wifi calling shows up in the settings menu, you should be all set, and won't need this. However, if you're on Verizon, like me, or AT&T like the poster above, chances are it's not showing up in your settings menu. So, if you want to make calls over Wifi, this is the way to go.
In the UK on EE ,importing it via the outrageous Amazon cyber Monday deal
spotmark said:
If Wifi calling shows up in the settings menu, you should be all set, and won't need this. However, if you're on Verizon, like me, or AT&T like the poster above, chances are it's not showing up in your settings menu. So, if you want to make calls over Wifi, this is the way to go.
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I am on AT&T Mexico, wifi calling shows for me in settings but we dont have wifi calling over here yet.
TheDethEgineer said:
I am on AT&T Mexico, wifi calling shows for me in settings but we don't have wifi calling over here yet.
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That's a fine how-do-you. I guess that's another case for GV.
spotmark said:
If Wifi calling shows up in the settings menu, you should be all set, and won't need this. However, if you're on Verizon, like me, or AT&T like the poster above, chances are it's not showing up in your settings menu. So, if you want to make calls over Wifi, this is the way to go.
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I'm on AT&T and wireless calling is in settings. Haven't tested to see if it works yet though
immewnity said:
I'm on AT&T and wireless calling is in settings. Haven't tested to see if it works yet though
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I'm on Verizon so I can't speak for AT&T, but in my case I don't have the option in settings.
Frankly, I don't care about Wifi calling except for that once or twice a year I am both out of cell coverage, but somehow manage to have wifi and need to make a call. With unlimited minutes and data, the need for wifi calling is pretty slim, but it would be nice for that once in a blue moon where you do.
I don't see why AT&T has to "support" the one feature that doesn't go through their network anyway...
After using Google Voice for free home service for about eight years now, I've also gone all in with it on my cell phone. I ported my cell number over to Google Voice, so I don't have to alert anyone of a number change, and I love all the features it offers. I can make/receive calls from my cell, computer, or home phone ( my Wifi ONLY tablet, too, if I want). All using my cell number. The lone home phone will receive calls to both our home phone number and my cell number. Texting can be done from my cell or computer. It offers call screening, call recording, conference calling, visual voicemail, and do not disturb. Finally, it makes all my calls as VOIP (internet) calls. So as long as I have a data signal, be it from my carrier or WiFi, it makes crystal clear calls. I absolutely love it. I wish I had made the switch years ago.
spotmark said:
This works so well, and I love the features that GV offers, call screening, texting from your computer, etc, plus the fact that I plan on buying unlocked phones going forward, that I decided to port my number over to Google Voice. Now it doesn't matter if the phone I buy supports my carriers WiFi calling or vice versa, and I'm only dealing with the one number I've had for years. Couldn't be happier.
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This is Voice over IP (VOIP), not WIFI-Calling. WIFI calling is when your phone can seamlessly transition between cell network and WIFI, so you can receive network calls over wifi.
reverenddak said:
This is Voice over IP (VOIP), not WIFI-Calling. WIFI calling is when your phone can seamlessly transition between cell network and WIFI, so you can receive network calls over wifi.
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Thank you, I'm well aware of that, but as I stated in my OP, this is a workaround for those of us who don't have the WiFi calling option.
spotmark said:
I'm on Verizon so I can't speak for AT&T, but in my case I don't have the option in settings.
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Interestingly, after the most recent update, WiFi calling is an option in my settings menu. I'm on Verizon.
1901madison said:
Interestingly, after the most recent update, WiFi calling is an option in my settings menu. I'm on Verizon.
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Does it work?
I don't know. I'll try when I get home tonight.
I can confirm that Wi-Fi calling works for T-Mobile on Oreo beta 1.
I can confirm that too... it works also for t-mobile on 7.1.1 :good:
Works on EE in the UK ,had to switch it on in call settings but working fine