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These days smartphones have gotten plenty small to carry normally. so why don't they beef them up with a ginormous batt and make it a selling point?
I think the SGS is the smallest big screened smartphone. If they were to make it Evo sized, double the batt life and sell it as a completely different phone, that would be great! I mean I would think it would be some major bragging right to say "our phone has 200% the batt life of the next best phone".
10 hours of full 3G web browsing/GPS/video playback
70hrs+ of audio playback
on top of all that, maximum batt life deterioration over time will be null because you'll go through MANY fewer recharge cycles.
These phones are all great, but I'm a power user and I'm always fighting my batt. We should be able to have all the bells and whistles blowing at all times.
Thanks for your time/response
Edit: the new iPod has a 3400mah batt. Coupled with the "Peal" which turns the iPod into an iPhone (albeit an ugly one), you basically get an iPhone 4 with double the batt life in a similar sized package...
Edit: I'm dead wrong about the iPod's batt capacity as rajendra82 has pointed out. It was 3.4 watt hour, not 3.4 amp hours. Sorry (for the record, the iPod's batt would be terribly insufficient as a modern phone batt in a smartphone)
eatkabab said:
These days smartphones have gotten plenty small to carry normally. so why don't they beef them up with a ginormous batt and make it a selling point?
I think the SGS is the smallest big screened smartphone. If they were to make it Evo sized, double the batt life and sell it as a completely different phone, that would be great! I mean I would think it would be some major bragging right to say "our phone has 200% the batt life of the next best phone".
10 hours of full 3G web browsing/GPS/video playback
70hrs+ of audio playback
on top of all that, maximum batt life deterioration over time will be null because you'll go through MANY fewer recharge cycles.
These phones are all great, but I'm a power user and I'm always fighting my batt. We should be able to have all the bells and whistles blowing at all times.
Thanks for your time/response
Edit: the new iPod has a 3400mah batt. Coupled with the "Peal" which turns the iPod into an iPhone (albeit an ugly one), you basically get an iPhone 4 with double the batt life in a similar sized package... sigh...
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The new iPOD touch has a 3.44 Wh battery, which at 3.7 V translates to 929 mAh. The Samsung Captivate has a 5.55 Wh battery, which at 3.7 V translates to 1500 mAh. Since the battery capacity is directly proportional to the volume, a battery of 3000 mAh will be twice as big as our current battery. The biggest phones today (i.e., the EVO and Droid X) only ship with a 1300 mAh battery. 1500 mAH is plenty for this phone to get through the day. Battery life is typically rated at 1000 cycles, which is 3 years assuming a full day to go from 100% to 0%. You are likely to replace the phone in 3 years any way.
Our phones do have large batteries, and as long as you don't have a bad program, have the screen on super bright, or use it as a hot spot, the battery life is going to be good enough for nearly anyone.
The captivate has a HUGE percent of the volume dedicated to the battery already, without using a non standard (non rectangular prism) battery shape the phone thickness would need to greatly increase and have wasted space.
In simpler terms, when your battery is already good for the market, a thinner phone sells more than a marginal battery lfie increase.
What about weight? Does a bigger battery weigh significantly more?
I would love to have a bigger battery or one of those battery cases like my fiancee has for her iphone. I think the above comments are spot on, but i think what companies dont take into account is how much people use their phones for on a daily basis. I dont know about you, but I use my phone a hell of a lot during the day more so than what constitutes as 'just getting through the day'. If im lucky enough to make it through till the end of the day its skirting on the red. A backup battery would be awesome to have!
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The new iPOD touch has a 3.44 Wh battery, which at 3.7 V translates to 929 mAh.
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Sorry, I just realized that. I must have missed the details about the ipod power.
I understand that the captivate technically has the "best" battery, but I do not agree that it will last through the day. I'm using my phone regularly to look up information, text, Gtalk, and make many calls. The phone is dead by the time I get home around 6pm (days start around 7:30am).
the iPad has a "10 hour batt life". My sister has her iPad lying around the house but she and I are much more often on our phones, so why don't our phones have a 10 hour batt life? I think its kinda difficult to use the ipad for 10 hours in a single day seeing that people usually work too. My phone is used for productive purposes usually, so it is very easy to drain it in the 4.5hrs it lasts on any day (not to mention difficult to get through an 8hr plane ride and still have juice to find your way to the hotel when you land). Last I checked, a day was at least 8 hours, not 4.5.
I also realize that they would have to ditch the rectangle/cube form factor of the batt in order to fill the space of a larger case more efficiently (something the iphone takes advantage of). I have nothing against this (or the added weight) and I don't think any other power user would care either.
At the end of the day, a captivate thats as big and heavy as the Evo is a small compromise if it'll last ALL day long and I believe there is a significant market for Android+10hr batt. Unfortunately, the obvious response to that is that I'm wrong since it doesn't exist. So I guess I'm just a crazy person then
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Edit: I forgot to mention Virgin America has solved all flying problems with this nifty little thing called a power receptacle in each trio of seats.
There have been at least 10 different claims in the last 5-10 years from companys saying they've found a way to at least triple battery capacity.
so far none of them have made anything...
Have you ever seen those extended batteries that also replace the back cover? They look awful. It's great that the Captivate is so slim and light.
It's unlikely that enough people need that much power every day for manufacturers to implement a huge battery in every device.
Nevertheless, it would be great to have the option.
Third party batteries that replace the back cover haven't been designed by the manufacturer to take advantage of all the space available, they're just made afterwards for the (admittedly few) people who need to stay more than 12hrs without a power source.
If a manufacturer specifically made a phone to accomodate a larger battery, the uglyness+volume/duration ratio would be much better.
Imagine a qwerty slider with a large battery instead of the keyboard: you could live with the additional volume and you could go on for two full days without a powersource.
Personally I wouldn't ever make it without a car charger, I keep a spare battery around in case I need it and even carry a retractable microUSB as a key holder (I use my phone as a music player, the battery drains FAST).
I'm ok with that but a large capacity batt. would let me not have to care about how much juice I have left all the time, wich would be great.
eatkabab said:
At the end of the day, a captivate thats as big and heavy as the Evo is a small compromise if it'll last ALL day long and I believe there is a significant market for Android+10hr batt. Unfortunately, the obvious response to that is that I'm wrong since it doesn't exist. So I guess I'm just a crazy person then
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You're not crazy. I think about the smartphone battery problem all the time. It's by far the biggest drawback of a smartphone. Even if you are using it lightly, you still have to charge every night, that is smartphone 101. And yet, if my friend iwth a little feature phone texts me all day, and I text them back all day, there phone... is fine. They can bascially run it all day for three days before needing to charge when it's new. My Captivate (or any other smartphone)... constantly having the screen on? It would be begging for battery after hours. Now of course, we have vastly better batteries than the feature phone, it's just the smartphone is doing significantly more. But still, yes, there should be a way, possibly with non-rectangular batteries, to significantly (at least double) battery life at a not massive cost to form factor and size. And yes, I'm sure there is a market here as well.
Seido is in the development process for a 3200mA battery for the cappy. Won't be long before you can actually see what it looks like on their website
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This may be about the captivate battery life but I think some of u are crazy. I run the hybrid r3 rom on my phone and I use it for music; GPS; internet and everything else that is normal and my battery is garbage. I'm sorry but when I buy a phone it should not be dead by like 3 pm
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Bigger battery means more weight. Some manufacturers get a little more power out of the same physical size, but if you really want to double the battery, you double the size and double the weight.
Since the phones have no extra room inside, you wind up with a bigger phone.
All manufacturers are trying to balance size, weight and power. It is no coincidence that all the smartphones have near the same size battery.
ColbyRyptos said:
This may be about the captivate battery life but I think some of u are crazy. I run the hybrid r3 rom on my phone and I use it for music; GPS; internet and everything else that is normal and my battery is garbage. I'm sorry but when I buy a phone it should not be dead by like 3 pm
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This post pretty much leads me to believe more is going on than you're saying. With hybrid r3 I was getting two days with heavy usage, also gps isn't functional on that rom, so claiming to use it seems to be misinformed at best
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Seido is in the development process for a 3200mA battery for the cappy. Won't be long before you can actually see what it looks like on their website
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Seido might make some great batteries, but if the batt for the captivate is ANYTHING like the batt for the galaxy S, its absolutely retarded and WAY too big to be practical. They basically just extended the batt brick and extended the casing with it. With the same batt cover, they could have added a whole nother batt right next to the extended batt cuz of all the wasted space.
Not a viable solution IMO. A factory made phone that has a HUGE batt would be marginally larger than the current captivate because they can take advantage of a non-traditional form factor and all the space inside.
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Seido might make some great batteries, but if the batt for the captivate is ANYTHING like the batt for the galaxy S, its absolutely retarded and WAY too big to be practical. They basically just extended the batt brick and extended the casing with it. With the same batt cover, they could have added a whole nother batt right next to the extended batt cuz of all the wasted space.
Not a viable solution IMO. A factory made phone that has a HUGE batt would be marginally larger than the current captivate because they can take advantage of a non-traditional form factor and all the space inside.
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Our Captivate doesn't have any extra space, and even the Droid X has a battery of the same size. I am just not seeing the extra space for bigger battery. There is also the weight issue.
Now if maybe the new Dell Streak will give you a monster battery in that big thing.
i agree that a phone with a super battery pack would be nice. me and my friends would always talk about if we could make our own phones what we would want and i always said something that would give me nice battery life so the idea i came up with was this
by default most phones come with a 1500 mah battery
but why not add a non traditional form factor to the rest of the case adding battery to and around the phone like in the area around the camera in the front of the phone around the side of the phone kinda like some of this battery jackets we see coming out for the iphone 4
i think it would add maybe just a built more bulk to the phone i'm still using a tilt so i'm used to carryin a bulky phone
i've always been interested in seeing super cap or ultra cap tech being put into a smartphone figuring if we can't go all day with our battery at least let us be able to get a full charge with in a few minutes ya know
i see ultra and super cap tech starting to be put in remotes were you can charge it in 1 minute to 5 minutes and not have to charge it for two weeks that kinda tech in a cell would be lovely
I, for one, would give up the cool looking indent in the back of the captivate (where the metal cover is) if they would fill that space with battery. It wouldn't increase the size of the phone (much), wouldn't make it bulgy, and I could see it giving at least 50% better battery life.
Even if the phone was blobby, plenty of people are buying Droid phones, and those things are frikin' mon calamari cruisers.
alphadog00 said:
Our Captivate doesn't have any extra space, and even the Droid X has a battery of the same size. I am just not seeing the extra space for bigger battery. There is also the weight issue.
Now if maybe the new Dell Streak will give you a monster battery in that big thing.
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obviously they would have to make the phone a tad thicker and its already so light weight that adding double the batt weight would still keep it weighing less than an Evo
the Samsung Captivate battery is pretty beefy if you ask me, I don't know how they would fit a processor and other components in the phone if they got a bigger battery
Hey guys,
Spent some time searching and reading the relevant threads on G2x, and the final consensus seems to me that there is no widespread agreement with respect to the question I've posed in the thread title. It seems to me that the only extended batteries that are guaranteed to give more than just a 30-60min boost are the 3000mah+ batteries that require using a much larger back cover that turns the G2x into a G2XL.
Hoping there's someone who can prove me wrong. I'm about to buy the G2x for its fantastic specs and low price for use on T-Mobile's prepaid monthly plan. Andida extended battery gets mixed reviews. Same for Prodicell batteries. The one battery for which I'd like to see some results is the "Seidio Innocell 1750mAh Slim Extended Battery for use with LG Thrill 4G, Optimus 3D, LG G2X and Optimus 2X" listed on Amazon.com. (Couldn't post link due to my low post number).
Any thoughts thus far? Will I need to turn my G2x smartphone into a giantphone to get noticeable increases in battery life?
zeth006 said:
Hey guys,
Spent some time searching and reading the relevant threads on G2x, and the final consensus seems to me that there is no widespread agreement with respect to the question I've posed in the thread title. It seems to me that the only extended batteries that are guaranteed to give more than just a 30-60min boost are the 3000mah+ batteries that require using a much larger back cover that turns the G2x into a G2XL.
Hoping there's someone who can prove me wrong. I'm about to buy the G2x for its fantastic specs and low price for use on T-Mobile's prepaid monthly plan. Andida extended battery gets mixed reviews. Same for Prodicell batteries. The one battery for which I'd like to see some results is the "Seidio Innocell 1750mAh Slim Extended Battery for use with LG Thrill 4G, Optimus 3D, LG G2X and Optimus 2X" listed on Amazon.com. (Couldn't post link due to my low post number).
Any thoughts thus far? Will I need to turn my G2x smartphone into a giantphone to get noticeable increases in battery life?
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You were searching in the wrong forum. Try the G2x Accessories forum.
But here is a link for a 2430Mah the same size as the original.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1259122
GTWalling said:
You were searching in the wrong forum. Try the G2x Accessories forum.
But here is a link for a 2430Mah the same size as the original.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1259122
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I read about the so-called "gold" batteries. I'm reserving final judgment but remaining skeptical until we can get some extensive tests showing they're worth replacing the stock.
zeth006 said:
Hey guys,
Any thoughts thus far? Will I need to turn my G2x smartphone into a giantphone to get noticeable increases in battery life?
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As they say in the automotive world, "There's no replacement for displacement"..
Basically, yeah, if you want a noticeable increase in battery life, then you will need to accept a noticeable increase in battery size. No way around it.
I have seen people spend $50 or more on 'name brand' extended batteries that are the same size as stock, and they rarely give any more battery life than a brand new stock battery.
Think about it - with the phone market as competitive as it is, if there were a battery that offered significant increases in battery life without an increase in size, do you think the major manufacturers would ignore that and allow some Chinese knock-off company to capitalize on it? Not a chance.
lotherius said:
As they say in the automotive world, "There's no replacement for displacement"..
Basically, yeah, if you want a noticeable increase in battery life, then you will need to accept a noticeable increase in battery size. No way around it.
I have seen people spend $50 or more on 'name brand' extended batteries that are the same size as stock, and they rarely give any more battery life than a brand new stock battery.
Think about it - with the phone market as competitive as it is, if there were a battery that offered significant increases in battery life without an increase in size, do you think the major manufacturers would ignore that and allow some Chinese knock-off company to capitalize on it? Not a chance.
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You're probably right.
Back in the day (remember when cellphones were, well, just cellphones?) it was just Sanyo and Panasonic and a few other Japanese companies dominating the lithium-ion battery market. Now even Samsung's caught up to them in terms of market share and they've been working overtime to get as much battery life as possible out of their phones. And they have to--check out the competition lately!
Bah. I guess I'm pretty much left to working on every single possible software fix to up my battery life. I'll be reading up on the ROM guides. I hear CM7 is a good rom.
I know you said you didn't want to buy a bigger battery, but assuming you cave in, I can tell you first hand that these batteries actually do last MUCH longer. I can go a full 12 - 16 hours HEAVY usage with "4G". The door itself feels kinda cheap but it's lasted me a good 10 months so far.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Battery...ccessories&hash=item4161e46d48#ht_2079wt_1270
Hammett11 said:
I know you said you didn't want to buy a bigger battery, but assuming you cave in, I can tell you first hand that these batteries actually do last MUCH longer. I can go a full 12 - 16 hours HEAVY usage with "4G". The door itself feels kinda cheap but it's lasted me a good 10 months so far.
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Yeah, I've been looking at those. There's also a 3900mah battery available. But the 4500mah pushes it way too far!
Hammett11 said:
I know you said you didn't want to buy a bigger battery, but assuming you cave in, I can tell you first hand that these batteries actually do last MUCH longer. I can go a full 12 - 16 hours HEAVY usage with "4G". The door itself feels kinda cheap but it's lasted me a good 10 months so far.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Battery...ccessories&hash=item4161e46d48#ht_2079wt_1270
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i know that a case would make it even thicker... but do they have tpu cases or some type of cover that protects the corners?
I have been looking for something similar, a case for my extended 3500 mAh battery. The back IS larger, of course, the battery appears to be slightly more that double the depth of the stock battery. However, that being said, the design could be worse. I saw another extended battery that was the same size with a god awful protruding rectangle that made the phone look completely off balance. The battery I purchased here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-3500mAh...ccessories&hash=item2a18e3208c#ht_1358wt_1041 looks, eh, alright
But anyways, I figure the only hope is for me to make a mould of the phone, and perhaps build one.
For OP I use the Andida 1980mah and it works great. It tests at 1980mah and gives me significant life over stock.
1500 vs 1980
Same size as stock for around $10
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Razorblood said:
For OP I use the Andida 1980mah and it works great. It tests at 1980mah and gives me significant life over stock.
1500 vs 1980
Same size as stock for around $10
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I'm personally hesitant to commit to that battery. I went ahead and got a 3500mah battery. So far, the performance is quite good. It's allowed me to experiment with other rom/kernel packages that aren't as battery-friendly as tsugi, but offer tons of tweaks.
Hammett11 said:
I know you said you didn't want to buy a bigger battery, but assuming you cave in, I can tell you first hand that these batteries actually do last MUCH longer. I can go a full 12 - 16 hours HEAVY usage with "4G". The door itself feels kinda cheap but it's lasted me a good 10 months so far.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Battery...ccessories&hash=item4161e46d48#ht_2079wt_1270
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With stock battery and medium-heavy usage I can get 18 hours on EB and Trinity.... I would think I could easily get into the range of 12-16 with Heavy, but you probably mean EXTREMELY heavy usage.
Also, many people said the Andida battery gave them a few hours extra, thought of trying it but when I look at the ebay page for it the packaging looks extremely cheap... Which leads me to believe the battery is probably also very cheaply made and could easily fry your phone.
Razorblood said:
For OP I use the Andida 1980mah and it works great. It tests at 1980mah and gives me significant life over stock.
1500 vs 1980
Same size as stock for around $10
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I've also had good luck with this battery, definitely better than stock. I haven't tested it scientifically, this is purely an anecdotal opinion based on using both for a long time.
i've been using the 3500 mah battery for around 6 months, no problem.
the original 1500 mah battery is bull****, it only supports your phone for like 12 hours max, you have to keep looking at the battery level if you dont want your phone endup dead.
with the extended battery i can go all day long, in heavy 3g mode. yes its bulky, but you will get what you're looking for. luckily i got it with a pair of desktop charger that i put in my office and home desk, so i never miss any recharge.
i dont think 1980 battery will improve a lot, on paper it suppose to add another 2-3 hours of battery time. but compare it with the 3500, and you will have 150% plus on your battery life.
i got it for $9 in spider-foot dot com
http://www.amazon.com/CHICHITEC-Bat...-cellphone/dp/B00520BC3M/ref=pd_sim_sbs_cps_6
1700 mAh -- not hugely better in terms of mAh.. but it makes a big difference for me. the stock battery will not last a whole day (12 hrs) - but I easily get 17-18 hrs from the chichitec.. just saying. .
I have easily gotten >24 hrs in low usage.. i think best was 22hrs to 40%.. but that was wifi and a couple phone calls only on Morfic's XLP-GB kernel.. a bit on the pokey side.. but okay for wifi calling ..
arvonn said:
http://www.amazon.com/CHICHITEC-Bat...-cellphone/dp/B00520BC3M/ref=pd_sim_sbs_cps_6
1700 mAh -- not hugely better in terms of mAh.. but it makes a big difference for me. the stock battery will not last a whole day (12 hrs) - but I easily get 17-18 hrs from the chichitec.. just saying. .
I have easily gotten >24 hrs in low usage.. i think best was 22hrs to 40%.. but that was wifi and a couple phone calls only on Morfic's XLP-GB kernel.. a bit on the pokey side.. but okay for wifi calling ..
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thanks, I've been on the fence between ordering the 2x chichitecs or the 2x 1800 hyperions... think I might go with the chihitecs now. I've read in reviews that the included charger sucks though, doesn't always work... hows your experience with it?
diontoradan said:
i've been using the 3500 mah battery for around 6 months, no problem.
the original 1500 mah battery is bull****, it only supports your phone for like 12 hours max, you have to keep looking at the battery level if you dont want your phone endup dead.
with the extended battery i can go all day long, in heavy 3g mode. yes its bulky, but you will get what you're looking for. luckily i got it with a pair of desktop charger that i put in my office and home desk, so i never miss any recharge.
i dont think 1980 battery will improve a lot, on paper it suppose to add another 2-3 hours of battery time. but compare it with the 3500, and you will have 150% plus on your battery life.
i got it for $9 in spider-foot dot com
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12 hours? Bull****. I can easily get over a day on the stock battery and 3 on a 3500.
Maybe on the stock ROM the battery is that bad, but no ROM here gives that bad battery
And not only does that 3500 mAh battery give you 150% more battery, it makes your phone look like a retarded bloated whale and a viable floatation device, What a steal!
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12 hours? Bull****. I can easily get over a day on the stock battery and 3 on a 3500.
Maybe on the stock ROM the battery is that bad, but no ROM here gives that bad battery
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deffinitlynot that bad im at 81% on 8 hours running ics and OC with the stock battery
IRASadPanda said:
12 hours? Bull****. I can easily get over a day on the stock battery and 3 on a 3500.
Maybe on the stock ROM the battery is that bad, but no ROM here gives that bad battery
And not only does that 3500 mAh battery give you 150% more battery, it makes your phone look like a retarded bloated whale and a viable floatation device
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I can confirm that on the stock, my phone lasts 12h on average. I'm using EB with ELP Trinity.
Keep in mind that how much a phone lasts you is a very subjective statistic. You can use a phone much less/more than someone else, and thus the battery life would be longer/shorter. The appearance of the extended 3500mAh batteries is also subjective.
If we're going to be objective here:
The stock battery lasts about 4-6h of active usage (having the screen on, with a data connection, and running applications that actually make use of the CPU). How many hours of light usage/stand-by someone might have in between those 4-6h of usage varies from person to person. (i.e. someone might use their phone heavily for an hour, then have 5h of really light usage/stand-by, then another hour of heavy usage, and so on until a cumulative 4-6h of active usage has been accumulated)
The extended 3500mAh battery, while doubling the thickness of your phone also increases your battery life 150%-200%.
The reviews for extended batteries that are the same size as stock aren't at all consistent. They vary from people saying they perform worse, to people saying they give a much longer battery life. The only battery that has mostly positive reviews is the Anker 1550mAh, which has been told to run cooler and last a bit longer. Of course having only a 50mAh advantage over the stock, the increase in life shouldn't be expected to be too substantial.
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I can confirm that on the stock, my phone lasts 12h on average. I'm using EB with ELP Trinity.
Keep in mind that how much a phone lasts you is a very subjective statistic. You can use a phone much less/more than someone else, and thus the battery life would be longer/shorter. The appearance of the extended 3500mAh batteries is also subjective.
If we're going to be objective here:
The stock battery lasts about 4-6h of active usage (having the screen on, with a data connection, and running applications that actually make use of the CPU). How many hours of light usage/stand-by someone might have in between those 4-6h of usage varies from person to person. (i.e. someone might use their phone heavily for an hour, then have 5h of really light usage/stand-by, then another hour of heavy usage, and so on until a cumulative 4-6h of active usage has been accumulated)
The extended 3500mAh battery, while doubling the thickness of your phone also increases your battery life 150%-200%.
The reviews for extended batteries that are the same size as stock aren't at all consistent. They vary from people saying they perform worse, to people saying they give a much longer battery life. The only battery that has mostly positive reviews is the Anker 1550mAh, which has been told to run cooler and last a bit longer. Of course having only a 50mAh advantage over the stock, the increase in life shouldn't be expected to be too substantial.
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That's gotta be the ELP voltages being too low for you and thus causing higher battery drain, try the T15 and undervolt till you find your voltage sweet spot, you will get way better battery than that.
I use my phone pretty heavily through the day, Music, Games, text, web, calls, etc... and I'm getting much higher than 12 hours.
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Hello all, I come to you today about the Inspire 4G's dismal idle time.
After having used the device for about a year I decided to perform some maintenance on the likely dismal specifications and purchased an updated battery. After a few weeks of use I peaked at around 3-4 days of idle battery life, which is fairly impressive for an Android device, especially on a non-stock rom.
I'm running Android Revolution HD 6.3.3 by mike1986. I typically overclock a healthy amount because it only seems to effect battery life.
If you're a user of the Inspire 4G, and often analyze your battery usage available on the about page you note that the Display subsection takes up the highest percentage of your battery. Which is sensible, because it's bright and large, but even in times of idle it tends to take up quite a bit.
I have a suggestion to make off of passive observation that perhaps the device includes other devices under the guise of Display. Namely, the speaker. If you keep the speaker at a lower level, the idle power usage of the Display should reduce greatly.
Again I come to this from passive observation, and the fact that their is no power subsection which likely includes the speaker.
Please post your results if you have any success with this and your battery life.
I also strongly reccomend this battery the Ecell 2430 mAh has provided an excellent improvement, perhaps even double the stock battery.
Good luck with your battery lives.
That battery you are using has no more capacity than the stock battery. You can't add capacity to a battery without adding to the physical dimensions of the battery. It's like a fuel tank. The reason it lasts longer is because it's a new battery as opposed to a year or more old battery.
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DeathmonkeyGTX said:
That battery you are using has no more capacity than the stock battery. You can't add capacity to a battery without adding to the physical dimensions of the battery. It's like a fuel tank. The reason it lasts longer is because it's a new battery as opposed to a year or more old battery.
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Well I'm interested in where you gleaned this fact from.
A cursory glance at wikipedia indicates that there is a nominal range of energy densities for lithium-ion batteries (250-730 W·h/L), which directly contradicts what you just said/made up.
It's also a side-note to this thread, because the real point of it was seeing whether or not the speaker/audio output is on the same rail as the display, and thus measured in the power usage calculation.
I'm talking about removable phone batteries. Your 2430 is a lie. Scratch the cover off and see how it's re badged. I and another user proved this via extensive testing a couple years ago in the touch pro 2 section. Dude bought hundreds of dollars worth of stuff to prove the point. There's a big difference in the density that can be achieved in a lab and in very expensive batteries, but not so much in the battery made in a Chinese hell hole by some dudes that don't know they're getting poisoned every day(lithium battery production is nasty) and sold to us on the cheap
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not so much in the battery made in a Chinese hell hole by some dudes that don't know they're getting poisoned every day(lithium battery production is nasty) and sold to us on the cheap
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Oh they know they're getting poisoned, and the stuff they produce is sold on the cheap, they just have to work or else they and their family will starve.
But yes, almost all batteries out there don't match their specifications. The few that do are ghastly expensive- the mugen one is a solid battery that has 1600mah and it sells for $40- more than I got this phone for.
Try battery monitor widget. There are tutorials out there. It will attempt to estimate mah, for the most part it won't be anywhere near what it was advertised as. If it is, check back in six months to see if it still is chances are it'll not have the quality to last.
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Why people buy phones with disgustingly crap batteries? Because manufacturers make them and people just accept it?
I am sick of hearing about phones weights differences in few grams, (our phone is thinner by 1 mm!!! -how sad) , about screens quality, about processors speeds, etc, and on.. Just because this is where all attention is?
What is use of it all if then users have to carry chargers wherever they go, they have to disable network modes, tweak performance, buy and run monitoring softwear, a lots of hassle JUST BECAUSE those manufacturers are jerks! Like there is problem to give proper large battery option to chose and we will see how market reacts?
I got phone from China with larger battery than you can get on any European market and I am finally happy, I don't worry about anything anymore.
On purpose I set everything to look nice, bright, run fast and never worry about any tweaks unless I suspect unhappiness from performance being somehow compromised, I do play games, I do use internet, I do stream and do other things without fear of not having more power for a call I may need to make. At end of day I have still 50% which will last next day easily.
BATTERY IS CRUCIAL PART OF THE PHONE. MUST NOT BE REDUCED IN PERFORMANCE IN ANY WAY (reducing size).
This is why we have smartphones to do many things quickly at any time instead switch all those cool features off, like everyday life was emergency situation for saving battery -ON DAILY BASIS?
P.S. some brands thinks I will carry second battery with me like I have a pocket and good will to open my phone and swap batteries??? really??? or taking ugly external USB-battery, swinging on cable while I am using my phone or looking ugly like second half of nadset to damage my USB socket with a time and have a patience to keep it charged -like a second device?
How ridiculous...
No matter how big batteries are, they will ALWAYS fall short for some people. There is no way around it.
The stock batteries in most phones are good enough for average users. You're not one and that's okay - but that's why there are choices.
The SG3 stock battery lasts me the day about 6/7 times - I only feel pinched the day I have a large break and might want to watch video or play games for an extended period of time.
I had options. I could have gotten an extended battery - no swapping, just bigger phone just like you clamp to want. This is available without having to get a phone that may not have good developer support.
You deride external chargers and spares, but you need to chill and realise that different people have different needs and that's why choice is good.
I like having spares. Opening my phone up and changing takes only seconds and I can them in my pocket or bag and I can charge a battery while using a different one. I hardly ever plug the phone itself in any more.
External chargers can power multiple devices and have HUGE capacities compared to even very large extended batteries.
There are so many choices at I don't tnk this is a big/any issue. No battery will be big enough for everyone unless perhaps the technology is completely revolutionised beyond what it is capable of today.
So yeah. Battery issue is not an issue.
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Putting in larger batteries makes the phone in turn bigger and heavier.
That's why they probably limit it as people prefer thinner and lighter phones!
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I'm satisfied with the battery life of my s3. I take it for granted that i need to use a charger if i continouisly use it. I wouldn't want my device to be even bigger, left alone to weigh anymore than it does already....
Frankly, if the average (read: majority) user had such a problem with battery life more companies would invest a lot more on battery research.
I could've used a more battery friendly ROM on my phone and have it last days on my 1700mAh battery, but I don't bother because at the end of most days I'm left with something above 20%.
I have three spares I never use plus the three year old stock battery, and I've not really ever needed them.
I'm also not really a big fan of "perfection", which for example is why I'm not an iOS user.
Perfection is synonymous with boring in the tech world, and battery constraints actually demands something from the phone designers.
That demand holds more value than most can imagine.
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I carry no bag
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mostly phones are quite light and 10-20g extra wouldn't be a noticeable difference. not importantly noticeable.
the only mobile phone I had in my life with no battery disappointments was nokia 15 years ago. all phones since they support 3g, failed me.
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New technology has higher power requirements. It's not fair to compare phones today to one's from 15 years ago - I mean, dude, back then it's not like you were doing anything other than calls on that thing - certainly no streaming or anything.
I only have a bag on school days - but I have pockets. And really, it's not about either of us - it's about choices and everyone else. Plenty of people Do have bags or briefcases or something every day. You can't just think of your own habits.
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My phone has 1.5W (pick) consumption with 3" screen
I just bought a 58WH portable power http://www.mrbattery.com.tw/product_detail.php?pid=MBP0001023
It's able to let my brightness100% and CPU stick on 1.6GHz for 3 days and nights!
I own a HTC Desire hd previously. That phone battery life was totally horrible. I had to carry a portable charger everywhere. In comparison, s3's battery life is beyond excellent. (Note: I disabled most of the power drawing apps/functions.)
With that being said, having a large capacity battery is one of the main thing I look out for when buying a phone.
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We're kind of at the end of the rope concerning battery capacity. There are just no easy ways to store a lot of energy in a small place. If we were able to build batteries with higher capacities in reasonable formats, we would already have them. Every new advance in battery technology only adds a small percentage of capacity or lengthens its usable service life somewhat.
But I do agree that the phones are now at a comfortable size, battery life should not be sacrificed for thinner phones. I bought the extended battery for my S II, it only makes the phone a 3 mm thicker, but that does add 20% of battery life. IMO they should have released the phone like that, but then they would have not been able to market it as the thinnest phone.
THL released new phone THL5000, which has a big advantage in battery, the capacity of it is 5000. What a crazy specification, it’s said that the standby time is 1000 hours, if you keen on listening to music, it can last for 125 hours, I think your ear will be explode. Under this capacity, the phone is still only 8.9mm thick. I am so doubt about the real capacity of the phone. It is really 5000mAh, maybe only 4000 or less. There are so many fake batteries on the market now. Have you bought some fake battery before, and what’s your comment on the new battery technology of this THL5000?
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THL released new phone THL5000, which has a big advantage in battery, the capacity of it is 5000. What a crazy specification, it’s said that the standby time is 1000 hours, if you keen on listening to music, it can last for 125 hours, I think your ear will be explode. Under this capacity, the phone is still only 8.9mm thick. I am so doubt about the real capacity of the phone. It is really 5000mAh, maybe only 4000 or less. There are so many fake batteries on the market now. Have you bought some fake battery before, and what’s your comment on the new battery technology of this THL5000?
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i would normally say, that is not likely, or it may be fake.
but i read some articles on the phone and i think it is good.
reason i think this is, it would be very bad for a company to mass produce a phone with a fake battery in it.
i would think the company did some testing on the battery to make sure it is producing good results before committing to using it.
they are making great advances in battery technology. from what i read, in the next couple years, battery advances will be so good, bad battery life will be an issue no more.