Hello all, I come to you today about the Inspire 4G's dismal idle time.
After having used the device for about a year I decided to perform some maintenance on the likely dismal specifications and purchased an updated battery. After a few weeks of use I peaked at around 3-4 days of idle battery life, which is fairly impressive for an Android device, especially on a non-stock rom.
I'm running Android Revolution HD 6.3.3 by mike1986. I typically overclock a healthy amount because it only seems to effect battery life.
If you're a user of the Inspire 4G, and often analyze your battery usage available on the about page you note that the Display subsection takes up the highest percentage of your battery. Which is sensible, because it's bright and large, but even in times of idle it tends to take up quite a bit.
I have a suggestion to make off of passive observation that perhaps the device includes other devices under the guise of Display. Namely, the speaker. If you keep the speaker at a lower level, the idle power usage of the Display should reduce greatly.
Again I come to this from passive observation, and the fact that their is no power subsection which likely includes the speaker.
Please post your results if you have any success with this and your battery life.
I also strongly reccomend this battery the Ecell 2430 mAh has provided an excellent improvement, perhaps even double the stock battery.
Good luck with your battery lives.
That battery you are using has no more capacity than the stock battery. You can't add capacity to a battery without adding to the physical dimensions of the battery. It's like a fuel tank. The reason it lasts longer is because it's a new battery as opposed to a year or more old battery.
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That battery you are using has no more capacity than the stock battery. You can't add capacity to a battery without adding to the physical dimensions of the battery. It's like a fuel tank. The reason it lasts longer is because it's a new battery as opposed to a year or more old battery.
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Well I'm interested in where you gleaned this fact from.
A cursory glance at wikipedia indicates that there is a nominal range of energy densities for lithium-ion batteries (250-730 W·h/L), which directly contradicts what you just said/made up.
It's also a side-note to this thread, because the real point of it was seeing whether or not the speaker/audio output is on the same rail as the display, and thus measured in the power usage calculation.
I'm talking about removable phone batteries. Your 2430 is a lie. Scratch the cover off and see how it's re badged. I and another user proved this via extensive testing a couple years ago in the touch pro 2 section. Dude bought hundreds of dollars worth of stuff to prove the point. There's a big difference in the density that can be achieved in a lab and in very expensive batteries, but not so much in the battery made in a Chinese hell hole by some dudes that don't know they're getting poisoned every day(lithium battery production is nasty) and sold to us on the cheap
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not so much in the battery made in a Chinese hell hole by some dudes that don't know they're getting poisoned every day(lithium battery production is nasty) and sold to us on the cheap
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Oh they know they're getting poisoned, and the stuff they produce is sold on the cheap, they just have to work or else they and their family will starve.
But yes, almost all batteries out there don't match their specifications. The few that do are ghastly expensive- the mugen one is a solid battery that has 1600mah and it sells for $40- more than I got this phone for.
Try battery monitor widget. There are tutorials out there. It will attempt to estimate mah, for the most part it won't be anywhere near what it was advertised as. If it is, check back in six months to see if it still is chances are it'll not have the quality to last.
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My phone has a dinky little TI OMAP 180mhz chip and the battery life still seems short to me. The battery is a no name chinese 2000mah made in 08. Using wifi with the screen on the lowest readable backlight setting I get about 4-6 hours of usage with light browsing. High backlight, about 2 hours at most. I was just thinking though, all of these new phones have 1000-1500 mah batteries and much more powerful processors yet still retain usability. Pretty much if I do anything other than talk on the phone, I will have to charge the phone every day. Would I benefit from a name brand battery?
Also the first half of the battery life really feels like 80% of the battery life. That last half has nothing!
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My phone has a dinky little TI OMAP 180mhz chip and the battery life still seems short to me. The battery is a no name chinese 2000mah made in 08. Using wifi with the screen on the lowest readable backlight setting I get about 6 hours of usage. High backlight, about 2 hours at most. I was just thinking though, all of these new phones have 1000-1500 mah batteries and much more powerful processors yet still retain usability. Would I benefit from a name brand battery?
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I'd say a BIG yes to that. To see the difference try using a new battery. Even if its within the 1500mAh limit. Your bound to see a world of difference. My phone the HTC touch has an 1100mAh which i'd definitely call small by the current standards. Yet it gives me about two days worth of usage on a single charge. The battery is about a year old. If your using a genuine HTC handset, needless to say invest in a good original battery. Very useful.
Sadly it isn't an HTC I hang out here a lot because of all of the useful software the forum goers make and all of the useful general knowledge.
It's a no name Chinese phone.
The battery is a GB/T 18287-2000 but when I look that part number up they all look different and even have the terminals in different spots (what use is a part number if it means nothing?). Guess I am stuck with these crappy no name batteries that probably don't put out their spec. It really is a huge battery though. Seems to be about the same dimensions as my screen (3.2inch). A shame it doesn't last long.
use omap clock and downclock if you want more battery
Hello everyone!
I've spent the past week doing as much research as possible into what type of battery to buy for my G2 and i've come across alot of information to say the least. Alot of opinions, alot of useless data, and some useful data. I just wanted to summarize this info for everyone. And add any new information that people post in the thread below, including battery life data.
Popular Batteries:
- The Mugen 1800mAh - $45 (1400mAh in testing)
- The Senido 1750mAh - $50 (1400mAh in testing)
- The HTC 1500mAh 35H00123-11M (-00M).. Also known as the TP2/EVO battery - $7 (1500mAh in testing)
- The CHICHITEC 1800mAh - $20/each or $40 for 2 + Charger (untested)
Research:
- Mugen and Seido seem to have EXTREMELY inconsistent mAh ratings, HTC seems to be the most consistent.
- On the other hand, trying to compare these battery assuming constant maximum power draw is a little unfair.
The one thing that seems constant is that HTC's battery's perform as expected in every environment and over time, whereas the third partys seem to be able to pull values closer (somewhat) to what they advertise under certain conditions. Not to mention that we have no knowledge regarding the long-term affects of the 'tuning' that these third party companies have done.
We gotta realize that most battery's are using the same cell or the same knock-off cell, and we can't really expect to much of an increase in mAh in this battery form-factor.
Installation Issues:
A lot of these battery's will need to be modified to fit our phones in one way or another as they're meant for the EVO 4G/Incredible/TP2/MyTouch3gSlide/CDMAHero.. Even the ones that are labeled as "G2 Compatible" might not be as a lot of the 'higher capacity' cells have identical dimensions.
Removing the Wrapper around the battery might assist with door bulge
If you feel like you have to aggressively 'wedge' the battery in then you might want to remove/modify the little nub's at the bottom of the battery near the contacts using nail clippers/dremel/knife. Otherwise you run the risk of damaging the cell-side charging contacts.
Some of the hardcore guys in here have sanded down the battery to have a good fit
The 'fit' differs from phone to phone depending both on the dimensions of each specific battery (not the actual brand or company, but each individual battery seems to be a little bit different) and the G2 Door.
If you leave the door bulging indefinitely it might damage the door in some way, it's recommended that you remove the door and just use a case if it's a major problem for you.
Tips:
- After installing the new battery, remember to reset the battery calibration through your recovery. This affects how many times you feel the need to "cycle it through" before achieving optimal battery life.
- Don't believe the temperature sensor on 3rd Party batteries
- Individual "Before and After" stories are cool, but not that useful considering all the variables involved with the hardware, the radio & signal, the software, and the human being (placebo affect). Aggregating all the data together does give us some picture of whats going on.
- The best tell for battery quality is the weight of the battery compared to your stock one, although this is not a guaranteed method.
Conclusion
After reading through as many threads as I could find regarding this topic, It seems that the CHICHITEC batteries have come to be the most popular across all these HTC phones. While the 1500mAh HTC EVO battery seems like the best deal with the most consistent power output.
The average perceived benefit using these batteries seems to be between 30-20%.
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Fantastic initiative. Unfortunately I only have the stock at the moment and I can't comment.
Did u mean Seidio or Sendio??
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Thanks, this really is usefull and spares us who are still trying to figure out wich battery they want, alot of time!
For CHICHITEC 1800mAh battery, is it safe to shave off the piece allowing the battery to be a perfect fit? Such as trying to use a nail clipper and clip it off.
Very good work on compiling all this information.
All I wanted to do was add my experience. I went out on a limb and bought the 2000mAh batteries from Galilio.
I took the wrapper off and trimmed the tabs and have been using them for about 3 months now.
My battery door does have a slight bulge to it but I can live with it.
The other day I decided to go back to my factory battery because I now have a charger by my bed, one in my truck and one at work. I have to say, I am spoiled now. My G2 is loaded up and running like crazy and my factory battery lasted like 2 hours where my Galilio battery goes for about 9 to 10 hours.
I text ALOT and facebook runs all day, I use the navigation on a daily basis and play tons of games.
Hope my 2 cents helped.
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Very good work on compiling all this information.
All I wanted to do was add my experience. I went out on a limb and bought the 2000mAh batteries from Galilio.
I took the wrapper off and trimmed the tabs and have been using them for about 3 months now.
My battery door does have a slight bulge to it but I can live with it.
The other day I decided to go back to my factory battery because I now have a charger by my bed, one in my truck and one at work. I have to say, I am spoiled now. My G2 is loaded up and running like crazy and my factory battery lasted like 2 hours where my Galilio battery goes for about 9 to 10 hours.
I text ALOT and facebook runs all day, I use the navigation on a daily basis and play tons of games.
Hope my 2 cents helped.
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sweet i am still breaking the battery in hopefully its good as urs, btw what rom are you running?
I'm thinking about getting Mugen 1800mAH, but people are having mixed results. Maybe one day we'll get HTC made OEM battery.
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sweet i am still breaking the battery in hopefully its good as urs, btw what rom are you running?
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It's in my signature. lol
CM 6.1.1 I absolutely love it. Tried the CM 7 but don't like it yet.
im on 10 hours of uncharge, so far its been light use, uncluding 1 hour and 30 min of GPS some texting, surfing and HTC updates
Thanks for compiling this info. I've had greatly improved life with the 1800mAh Mugen, but wasn't aware of the inconsistency some people are seeing.
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How did u test them?
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I would say that the Mugen 1800 performs like a 1400 is an exaggeration.
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I would say that the Mugen 1800 performs like a 1400 is an exaggeration.
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Are you saying that it is better than 1400 or worse than 1400?
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How did u test them?
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Please run the same tests on the stock HTC 1300 mAh battery for reference.
I've posted in a thread about a 1500 mAh battery for $8.70 with wall charger.
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Are you saying that it is better than 1400 or worse than 1400?
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It's better, my bad for the ambiguous statement!
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It's better, my bad for the ambiguous statement!
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Cool, Thanks. There's a Mugen somewhere between HK and USA with my name on it.
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I've posted in a thread about a 1500 mAh battery for $8.70 with wall charger.
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Add the DX batteries.
I got it from ebay but it has only 1200mAh as I measured .it is not 1800mAh.in real life even giving worse performance then stock one.avoid it.it is only a big bluff
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I got it from ebay but it has only 1200mAh as I measured .it is not 1800mAh.in real life even giving worse performance then stock one.avoid it.it is only a big bluff
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Thumbs up for the warning.
But...there is a saying that goes "if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is ".
shihte said:
I got it from ebay but it has only 1200mAh as I measured .it is not 1800mAh.in real life even giving worse performance then stock one.avoid it.it is only a big bluff
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I understand the battery capacity number is hardcoded in the HD, so even if it were higgher capacity, it would still show that.
If you have a multimeter or other specialised equipment, that's the best way. Also, you'll need to run a few charging cycles to get a good comparison.
But anyway, cheap ebay batteries are just that. If you search this section, you will see tens of threads about fake batteries offering high capacity.
The only geniune high capacity battery is Mugen's, there are a couple of threads already about this battery.
(or buy a power-pack/recharger, eg 5000mah for €25-30)
today shows 1176mAh but i will visit tv repair centre.they have better tools then me.i let u know
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today shows 1176mAh but i will visit tv repair centre.they have better tools then me.i let u know
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wow thats real ****...thanks for the warning...Ive heard issue on all the brands that make aftermarket battery...only the original HTC seems to be actually the best performing units.
Not only the stock battery is probably the best performing one, but also the safest. Always be aware of the expansion and the heat that cheap batteries produce. It can damage your phone easily.
As for the capacity measurement, if you drain/charge the battery with higher current, it will show less capacity. Still the measured 1176mAh is probably closer to the truth than the printed 1800mAh.
thanks man for the warning
bad results
after 4th charging still giving shorter performance then stock battery.i will stop at tv repair centre early in next week then post here their measurement.personally i won't expect more like 1200mAh
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after 4th charging still giving shorter performance then stock battery.i will stop at tv repair centre early in next week then post here their measurement.personally i won't expect more like 1200mAh
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To compare the two batteries you should rate them in the same conditions. So if you can leave the stock battery with them to test them both and post the results I would be grateful.
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thanks man for the warning
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There was a thread for a third party battery expanding in the phone and pressing on the screen... scary
I can't understand why would someone put a 10 euro battery in 500 euro phone!
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Hi,
is there any other seriuos alternative on the market?
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Agreed, I bought one of these Andida batteries from eBay as well, had it in for a couple of months & i've now gone back to the original battery. In my opinion, it doesnt last as long as the stock HTC battery.
I´ve bought this battery last week over ebay and at the 1st day i was pleased, because the operating time with it seems better than with the original battery. But after five daily loading sessions the battery drain gets faster and faster. Yesterday, after 1,5 hours Angry Birds and a little time listening music it runs from 100 to 38%. Today i´ve installed the original battery back and i was surprised. After five days in the drawer of my desk it shows 99% accu state. I will stay at the original.
not 1800mAh
It has only 1170mAh
anyone find a good replacement with higher cap ?
Thanks for warning.
As far as i know there's nothing better then mugen's 1500 =(
Don't look just mAh's, they will not tell all. Also, if HTC's factory battery costs ~30€, who believe that the battery which costs 10 euros, can be better than the original..?
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Hi, always replace a battery with that recommended by the manufacturer ...
I have a replacement desire hd battery. It lasts about 25% less the the original one, and it is set "to be" 1600mAh strong lol
Hi everyone, I've been running an unofficial Cyanogen 10.1 port for a few days now and mostly love it, but at times it does lag just a bit more than my previous rom (existz's ICS 4.0.4 rom, which is excellent). My question is, can I handle this by overclocking? I've never tried before. What's a good place to start?
I just ordered an 1800 mAh extended battery, as my battery life is pretty poor after two years now. So I figure that shouldn't be a concern.
That battery isn't really 1800mah. It's 1230 like stock and hopefully that "extended" battery lasts as many recharge cycles as your stock battery did before losing an appreciable amount of capacity.
That being said, some inspires overclock fine and we few don't at all. 1.3ghz seems to be a pretty popular number. Give it a whirl.
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That battery isn't really 1800mah. It's 1230 like stock and hopefully that "extended" battery lasts as many recharge cycles as your stock battery did before losing an appreciable amount of capacity.
That being said, some inspires overclock fine and we few don't at all. 1.3ghz seems to be a pretty popular number. Give it a whirl.
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Could you tell me a little more about why it's only 1230? The amazon listing and packaging clearly state 1800. I understand that my battery is two years old and the life has been shortened by now, and that any new battery will likely be an improvement for now.
These are the things I always put and are recommended:
SMARTASSV2
245mhz (minimum)
1200/1305 (maximum)
SIO scheduler
Disabled zRAM
btw I'm running SlimBean 4.1.2 used to run JellyTime r30 but SB has more options and the dev for JT updated the rom to 4.2.1 (which i hate)
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Could you tell me a little more about why it's only 1230? The amazon listing and packaging clearly state 1800. I understand that my battery is two years old and the life has been shortened by now, and that any new battery will likely be an improvement for now.
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Because it's not possible to increase the battery capacity by that much without physically increasing the battery size. As both the batteries are same, it's possible to make a denser battery with slightly more mAh, but not so much more. Usual cheap Chinese batteries and some branded ones quote a super high mAh compared to stock to entice people into buying them, but they're always the same as stock mAh or ever so slightly more. Also the quality of the battery may not be as good as the stock battery as it is unlikely to have passed through rigorous quality checks, and so this battery might have a much shorter life and lose capacity quite faster than stock battery.
Word of advice, rather than spend money on these so-called high capacity batteries, buy one or two extra stock batteries for the same price and keep them with you always. You'll get much much more battery life out of this set.
The only third party batteries which really work are extended batteries which are much bigger than stock battery and come with their own back panel for supported phones. This is physically impossible on DHD/I4G that's why you don't see them. For phones like the Galaxy S3 which has a removable back panel, you get replacement batteries which are 2-3 times the thickness of stock battery, and so obviously have a higher capacity. These batteries come with their own back covers for specific phones to fit their bigger size.
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Why people buy phones with disgustingly crap batteries? Because manufacturers make them and people just accept it?
I am sick of hearing about phones weights differences in few grams, (our phone is thinner by 1 mm!!! -how sad) , about screens quality, about processors speeds, etc, and on.. Just because this is where all attention is?
What is use of it all if then users have to carry chargers wherever they go, they have to disable network modes, tweak performance, buy and run monitoring softwear, a lots of hassle JUST BECAUSE those manufacturers are jerks! Like there is problem to give proper large battery option to chose and we will see how market reacts?
I got phone from China with larger battery than you can get on any European market and I am finally happy, I don't worry about anything anymore.
On purpose I set everything to look nice, bright, run fast and never worry about any tweaks unless I suspect unhappiness from performance being somehow compromised, I do play games, I do use internet, I do stream and do other things without fear of not having more power for a call I may need to make. At end of day I have still 50% which will last next day easily.
BATTERY IS CRUCIAL PART OF THE PHONE. MUST NOT BE REDUCED IN PERFORMANCE IN ANY WAY (reducing size).
This is why we have smartphones to do many things quickly at any time instead switch all those cool features off, like everyday life was emergency situation for saving battery -ON DAILY BASIS?
P.S. some brands thinks I will carry second battery with me like I have a pocket and good will to open my phone and swap batteries??? really??? or taking ugly external USB-battery, swinging on cable while I am using my phone or looking ugly like second half of nadset to damage my USB socket with a time and have a patience to keep it charged -like a second device?
How ridiculous...
No matter how big batteries are, they will ALWAYS fall short for some people. There is no way around it.
The stock batteries in most phones are good enough for average users. You're not one and that's okay - but that's why there are choices.
The SG3 stock battery lasts me the day about 6/7 times - I only feel pinched the day I have a large break and might want to watch video or play games for an extended period of time.
I had options. I could have gotten an extended battery - no swapping, just bigger phone just like you clamp to want. This is available without having to get a phone that may not have good developer support.
You deride external chargers and spares, but you need to chill and realise that different people have different needs and that's why choice is good.
I like having spares. Opening my phone up and changing takes only seconds and I can them in my pocket or bag and I can charge a battery while using a different one. I hardly ever plug the phone itself in any more.
External chargers can power multiple devices and have HUGE capacities compared to even very large extended batteries.
There are so many choices at I don't tnk this is a big/any issue. No battery will be big enough for everyone unless perhaps the technology is completely revolutionised beyond what it is capable of today.
So yeah. Battery issue is not an issue.
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Putting in larger batteries makes the phone in turn bigger and heavier.
That's why they probably limit it as people prefer thinner and lighter phones!
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I'm satisfied with the battery life of my s3. I take it for granted that i need to use a charger if i continouisly use it. I wouldn't want my device to be even bigger, left alone to weigh anymore than it does already....
Frankly, if the average (read: majority) user had such a problem with battery life more companies would invest a lot more on battery research.
I could've used a more battery friendly ROM on my phone and have it last days on my 1700mAh battery, but I don't bother because at the end of most days I'm left with something above 20%.
I have three spares I never use plus the three year old stock battery, and I've not really ever needed them.
I'm also not really a big fan of "perfection", which for example is why I'm not an iOS user.
Perfection is synonymous with boring in the tech world, and battery constraints actually demands something from the phone designers.
That demand holds more value than most can imagine.
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I carry no bag
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mostly phones are quite light and 10-20g extra wouldn't be a noticeable difference. not importantly noticeable.
the only mobile phone I had in my life with no battery disappointments was nokia 15 years ago. all phones since they support 3g, failed me.
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New technology has higher power requirements. It's not fair to compare phones today to one's from 15 years ago - I mean, dude, back then it's not like you were doing anything other than calls on that thing - certainly no streaming or anything.
I only have a bag on school days - but I have pockets. And really, it's not about either of us - it's about choices and everyone else. Plenty of people Do have bags or briefcases or something every day. You can't just think of your own habits.
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My phone has 1.5W (pick) consumption with 3" screen
I just bought a 58WH portable power http://www.mrbattery.com.tw/product_detail.php?pid=MBP0001023
It's able to let my brightness100% and CPU stick on 1.6GHz for 3 days and nights!
I own a HTC Desire hd previously. That phone battery life was totally horrible. I had to carry a portable charger everywhere. In comparison, s3's battery life is beyond excellent. (Note: I disabled most of the power drawing apps/functions.)
With that being said, having a large capacity battery is one of the main thing I look out for when buying a phone.
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We're kind of at the end of the rope concerning battery capacity. There are just no easy ways to store a lot of energy in a small place. If we were able to build batteries with higher capacities in reasonable formats, we would already have them. Every new advance in battery technology only adds a small percentage of capacity or lengthens its usable service life somewhat.
But I do agree that the phones are now at a comfortable size, battery life should not be sacrificed for thinner phones. I bought the extended battery for my S II, it only makes the phone a 3 mm thicker, but that does add 20% of battery life. IMO they should have released the phone like that, but then they would have not been able to market it as the thinnest phone.