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Eu Touch Pro vs. "Fuze" USA Touch Pro

Hey loyal HTC fan here. Been using 8125 (Wizard) for 2+ years now. Me and the ol' faithful have been through it all..thick and thin. Unfortunately, the phones life is prettty much over and now I'm upgrading. (I've already decided to get a Touch Pro).
Right now, I'm living near LOTS of tall buildings and barely get 30% signal within my apartment and whenever someone calls they complain I keep breaking up unless I'm literally next to certain windows. While I'm struggling in my own house with my phone my family who has 3G phones have no issues. My poor soul has yet to truly experience 3G. I was about to buy a Euro Touch Pro when I had the doubt of whether or not I would get 3G with it when Fuze starts (yeah the long debates about the 3g, I know I'm sorry for bringing it up).
Do you guys feel I should buy a Eu Touch Pro now or just wait 2 weeks and see what happens with Fuze and go for an American one. Either way, I'm getting one...I just dont know what I should do because I NEED to be able to talk at home comfortably without missing calls etc

I say just wait off a lil bit and see what how things go down with the Fuze. You'll get a better price and no waiting for it to get shipped, and although with your current location 3G seems useless, but it might come in handy later on.

One week with the fuze (almost) thoughts..

Well Tomorrow will mark one week with the fuze and I'm not really sure if I'm as thrilled with it as I should be for the 300 bones.
I was lucky enough to have a Real HTC touch pro before my fuze which I sold when I found out it would not do 3g. Over all I was happy with it. I paid 500 for it and didnt really feel bad about it. Everything just seemed to work. The light sensor the g sensor all worked on cue. The menus were snappy and even the gps worked flawlessly. The reception didnt just randomly go out.
This is what I expected from the fuze and its been a major let down. My sister was supose to get one with me the same day and opted for the iphone and after the week with the fuze I'm half tempted to go get an iphone.
Has any one else had the same post touch pro experiance with their fuze? Should I wait a week or two and take it bak for a diffrent one and see if a later build helps?
I hate to say this but I'm really liking the iphone it just works. If I didnt travel overseas so much I would prob just go get one tmrw but I hate the idea of being locked down to the damn att sim when I'm outside the US.
Thoughts?

What problems are you having? Mine is working great! Much snappier than my Tilt!

Yeah, after flashing I have no issues that are bugging me in any way. Battery seems to be doing pretty good and all around has been very stable.

no regrets with my fuze either. there are some minor issues, but nothing that can sway me to iphone. I just love the ability to do all kinds of things on the fuze that u can't do on iphone
and yeah...what problem are you referring to!? flash the rom if you're referring to the AT&T ROM...that thing is filled with junk and makes the phone run way too slow. I flashed with ROMeOS2 1.40. Not perfect, but damned close to it. Should give it a try when you get a chance!
And fortunately, battery life is good on my fuze. I'm definitely squeezing more juice out of it than my friend's iphone can. Not to mention i'm going to be getting a spare battery soon~

Well, you can unlock the iPhone so that you're not tied to an ATT sim I just unlocked, jailbroke and fake activated one for my brother in law to use with T-Mobile and he is loving it.
That said, the first thing I will do with my Fuze when it arrives is to get rid of the bloated ATT ROM it comes with. That always makes a world of difference. Don't go iPhone until you try that

I've had mine since Friday. I used the stock ATT ROM for about a day, then I flashed to NotATreoFan's ROM, which is basically the stock ROM with all the junk removed.
I upgraded from the Tilt, and so far this thing is MUCH snappier than the Tilt, much lighter and a little smaller (although still thick).
The only thing flaky for me so far is the GPS. It just takes a long time to get a lock (although I've been trying indoors and not outside). I haven't driven with it to test the lag issue that people are talking about. My Tilt would pickup a lock in my living room within 30 seconds most of the time, always under a minute. The Fuze seems to take 2-5 minutes. I'm not sure if its GPS antenna just isn't as strong for indoor use or what.
I flashed to the Blackstone radio today and so far my reception seems to be 1-2 bars better than the stock radio, but it hasn't helped GPS any.

I've only had my Fuze since Friday (when it was released down here) and my only major gripe is the left/right Dpad buttons. I just end up avoiding them alltogether.

hondaguyjoe said:
Well Tomorrow will mark one week with the fuze and I'm not really sure if I'm as thrilled with it as I should be for the 300 bones.
I was lucky enough to have a Real HTC touch pro before my fuze which I sold when I found out it would not do 3g. Over all I was happy with it. I paid 500 for it and didnt really feel bad about it. Everything just seemed to work. The light sensor the g sensor all worked on cue. The menus were snappy and even the gps worked flawlessly. The reception didnt just randomly go out.
This is what I expected from the fuze and its been a major let down. My sister was supose to get one with me the same day and opted for the iphone and after the week with the fuze I'm half tempted to go get an iphone.
Has any one else had the same post touch pro experiance with their fuze? Should I wait a week or two and take it bak for a diffrent one and see if a later build helps?
I hate to say this but I'm really liking the iphone it just works. If I didnt travel overseas so much I would prob just go get one tmrw but I hate the idea of being locked down to the damn att sim when I'm outside the US.
Thoughts?
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The fuze , ahh how we all wanted it badly and waited month by month for its epic release. I, for one, am underwhelmed by the fuze, though not by comparison to any other phone.
It just seems that the phone is capable of so much, but theres not much to do on the device. Like i get bored with the phone it seems. I am seriously contemplating returning the device this week, and just returning to my nokia e71, which is a superb phone.
Just my two cents guys.
thanks
ak88

My two cents:
Love the phone.
Only bad part:
Finger print magnet
Slides other way to tilt =/ I got used to it though
Major gripe!:
Fking! enter is too big! and backspace is too small! ugh. I use on-screen keyboard mostly though since the vga resolution is much more responsive. Or it's just a mental thing.

Allright one issue is the gps is flaky... but everyone seems to be having some kind of issue with the gps. Locking on is a bit hit or miss and when I do get a lock my speed just goes to 0 randomly in igo8 then back up to the speed then 0. My Touch pro did none of this.
Second issue is it just randomly looses reception and will take a min or 2 to regain it. its almost like it switches into flight mode then out randomly.
For some reason I get alot of "message failed to send would you like to resend" happend four times yesterday and I had recetion the entire time.
As far as the bloat goes Im currently running it bloat free. I did the reset after intial setup to bypass the AT&T crap load, then ran the milan file and the security file. What is the diffrence with this to flashing the rom?
I agree with ak88 the phone is seems like the phone could be so capable alot of cool stuff but it was just hurried out or something. Maybe it would be better to just take it back and pick it back up in a few months when all you wizards of roms fix the damn thing.
I just wish my 8525s gps was built in :-( Id be on my way back to at&t right now and get my money back. Maybe I will super glue my gps to the back of it

Love my Fuze and all the baggage it brings.
Sorry to tell you but no phone with all these capablities will just work.
My uncle pulled out the Sprint touch pro and showed it to me yesterday. He was mad exited.
This the movement my man.
get under the HTC umbrella or get rained on

ayoo456 said:
Sorry to tell you but no phone with all these capablities will just work.
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I dont really agree with that. There are other phones on the market with the same specs that do just work.
Don't get me wrong Im all about HTC my 8525 is great. I guess it will just take a bit to get the bugs worked out.

Worth it! The only problem I have is the battery. It won't even last 12 hours!
I am really think it is my battery. I will try to get a new battery from the manufacturer since the stores don't have the batteries yet, at least here in NY.

I love the phone so far.
I hate to say it but I haven't seen one device in the last 5 years (which does more than just answer calls and send texts) that just works right out of the box with no modifications or settings change. I haven't exactly tried all of them either.
The more functionality you add the more issues you introduce, plain and simple. Look at the iphone...they locked most of the functionality from the users but also reduced a lot of bugs. Once the app store came into play look at how many more firmware updates they have had to fix issues yet still lack basic functionality.
The G1? Major security flaws right out of the gate and had to update twice now I think if I remember right just to keep it secure at all.
My wife's Razr though...0 issues...but you can do almost nothing on it.
/rant

I like my new Fuze.
I'm hoping to score the Euro TP backshell, the rubberized fauceted version, so it isn't such a finger print magnet.
It's all about putting on the custom ROMs. Waaay better than the ATT stock ROM that you get out of the box.

i have both the iPhone and the Fuze. both are really cool. but side by side, the Fuze is WAY better.
iPhone battery life is a joke.
the Fuze battery is nothing wonderful, but it is hands down better than the iPhone. not to mention, the Fuze's battery is user replaceable. the Iphone you have to send to Apple to change the battery. which is what you have to do after 400 charges.....
and just wait for the developer to package all the tweaks together in one 'super' rom. the Fuze will rule....

The seventh day...
I have had my Fuze since Tuesday last. Here are my initial impressions.
1. Got rid of TF3D - it is beautiful and very slick, but not an efficient use of the home screen. I switched to running PocketBreeze in full screen mode and using phoneAlarm and the 2day4pay skin as my today screen. Now I can launch my favorite programs with 2 touches at most and get a better handle on my day's activities at a glance. I will miss that very sweet weather animation however.
2. The GPS thing. Yep. Had it. Ran GPS Test until I got a fix and have not had a problem with Goog Maps ever since. Lag? I am not seeing it at all and I am driving through the streets of Providence (enough small streets for the lag to show itself, not enough tall buildings to shade the satellite signal).
3. The BlueTooth thing (where the sound - when you answer and incoming call - disappears). Yep. Had that too and that - my friends - could have been the deal breaker. But I deleted all my headset pairings. When I re-paired them I started with a non-A2DP-supporting headset (JawBone 2). When I paired my A2DP one (Plantronics something with the removable second earpiece) I only got one option under the advanced settings: "Stereo...". Before, I got "HandsFree" and "Stereo...". Since the Plantronics is set, I have sound when answering calls on all 3 BT sets I use (JB2, Plantronics and BlueAnt V1).
Other than that, I miss the scroll wheel - though less than I thought I would and - in general, really like the design (fingerprint magnetics aside). I am now about to find out how well the battery lives off the charger and know I have some work to do to get the thing to hand-up the 3G connection quickly after downloading data as that is a big battery drain.

Summarizing as everybody else:
unusable 5-way pad (undeterministic behavior) unless one does special finger acrobatics
bad/underperforming 3G/H
very slow to lock GPS
broken AGPS
GPS still a huge battery drain (compared to SiRFIII)
useless PTT button unless one hacks it
fairly useless smart touch scroll and not a good replacement for the missing jog-wheel
volume buttons fairly useless for anything else (although plus of volume control anytime), and can't be used as jog-wheel.
slider that blocks the volume and PTT buttons
auto backlight never dims below 3
ATT logo eating screen space in Manila
pointless HOME button
low GLbenchmark values (worst than even Touch Pro)
finger-print magnet on all surfaces and will actually start crusting (unlike Kaiser)
cheap-plastic back that starts wearing immediately on the diamond "points"
So, the major bads. The good is well-mentioned already.

This is my first smartphone, so I'm less knowledgable than most.
But I can already tell that I should be getting much faster HSDPA speeds. Also GPS has never worked for me. I also wish it could be a bit snappier when rotating.
Though this is my first smartphone, I've already replaced the default themes, have already done regedit tweaks for speed, HSDPA, PTT button reassignment, etc.
I'd like to think I'm coming along nicely, but I want to know if I should try to replace the stock AT&T rom with ROMeO

My 2 Cent's
I agree with much of what has already been said (so i'll not repeat it) We are the early adopters and living on the tech edge we share our findings here and the many who unlock, tinker & cook take their own ideas and our observations and try to make these devices better. There is a cost for living on the edge. Just my thoughts on the matter. I have a Fuze and will flash until I am happy or until I move on to something else (had an iphone for about 3 weeks and sold it because I felt too restricted and was tired of re-jail breaking it)
cheers
BR

officially confused as of what to buy...or not buy.

so, as my Kaiser gets long in the tooth.... I start the hunt for a new phone. I'm still happy w/ it, it's gotten over a year and a half of use from me (avg is 1 year max). as I peruse the forums for info, this is the first time, in which I'm not so sure what to get.
I'll tell you a little more info so you guys understand.
I live in Hawaii, and use Tmobile w/ the tzones hack.. (i was actually using it as long as I can remember, w/ my unlocked w800) so my phone bill is just under $50 a month. If I switch to att, then my phone bill would do the jump up to about 80 a month.
att has 3g in hawaii, tmo does not, and will not for the near future either. tmo's market share is so high in hawaii, that I guess, they didn't feel the need to upgrade us early.
The reason I like having unlocked phones, is that I have the choice, if I wanted to jump networks (although, I never would to be honest)
I have figured out that the xperia x1i, the touch pro, and the hd don't work on the 3g att network, but the fuze, and x1a do.
do I buy an unlocked fuze? and reflash? an x1a? (most of the available x1's are i, best buy has a few a's for $799)
do i buy an HD, and never use the 3g anyway, since I'm on tmo.
or do I wait.... until the new snapdragon and newer t-mo 3g capable phones come out, and hope that I like them.
a few more things about my prefrences..
I don't like typing on a touch screen, even the iphone screen.
I DO like playing 4pinball (but it sucks juice, and eventually i will get bored w/ it.)
I do lots of texting, and websurfing, listen to podcasts (sports shows), not a lot of video watching (only recently added youtube to the kaiser)
I have odyssey nav on the tilt w/ map for Hawaii(also, livesearch, and google latitude)
obviously, I've read through all the pro's and con's in each individual thread about the respective phones, I would rather have a touch pro and extra coin, but which one of those do I get if I do get it? and back around in a circle again..
one last tidbit, I love the sliding mechanism of the tilt, as oppossed to the cheap looking one of the g-1, and the xperia's sliding seemed only ok.
go and bring forth comments everyone.. thanks in advance.

Fuze or touch hd.... Personally i love 3g but with an hd i think i could live without it
If you do get the fuze make sure you pick up the screen responsiveness hack.... it help ALOT

does htc make a fuze in htc form? i.e. us frequencies. or do i hve to buy an unlocked fuze. it was so much easier w/ the kaiser...

Wait for the 09 HTC devices
They seem to be great!!

orb3000 said:
Wait for the 09 HTC devices
They seem to be great!!
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I was thinking about it, but at the same time, the trend of HTC seems to 'localize" their phones to europe/asia, or america... The Kaiser seemed to be the last "jack of all trades", which is probably one reason why the thing is so damn heavy.
Honestly, I would buy an xperia x1-a but I've read so many problems w/ cracking cel phones. My kaiser has taken a beating, and it's done well, no wimpy silicone skin, or hard case for me, I am confident that I can drop it 6 feet to the ground, and it will be fine. I'm not so sure about the xperia.
If I could find a touch pro for american frequencies that's NOT a Fuze/att brand, I would be more inclined., but it's either Fuze or TP international branding.
Just because I don't plan to use att, doesn't mean I don't want the choice to switch and take advantage of their 3g network. I mean, for me, that's the whole point in having an unlocked phone... not being 'stuck' to one provider.
even, talking to cel phone experts, no one is ever sure which phone to buy, or what they are even selling.
one last thing about the xperia, their panel selection sucks... seriously, 6 aftermarket panels???? all worthless stuff?
The only benefit of getting the xperia 1a for me, is that it's fully warrantied through best buy, although i can get X1i's for way cheaper, and that take better photo's etc. (but no us 3g, IF I ever switched to ATT..lol)
If I had a better idea of both what is coming down the pipeline from htc, and when hawaii will get t-mo 3g, it would greatly help my decision.

bought an Xperia x1-a.. I figured, that I can always buy the next gen stuff later. I'm actually surprisingly happy w/ it.

Huge Dilemma: Have to choose new carrier>

My current situation is as follows:
I was on Alltel, then Verizon bought it. The location in which the account originated from (Orangeburg, SC area) is being divested and sold to some no-name company. In the process, even though we are on "Verizon" service, I have 1-2 bars.. constantly.
Now, the move is happening, our account is ending because we are refusing service, as we have no service.
The other two people on the account have already moved to AT&T, because that was their only choice as they live out in nowhere. Whereas, I'm in a semi-populated city, Charleston SC.
Heres my problem..
I want, or at least I think I do, the HTC Incredible.. It could be two weeks before its out.. two months, who the hell knows..
I wouldn't mind an iPhone, but the lack of user customization kills me.. the whole "loyalty" to apple blows and it probably wont be long till the next ver of iPhone is released (they found deeper in the iPad OS "iPhone 3.2" and "3.3"..).
I could even go with Sprint for the Evo 4g.. but, no I'm good..
Will Verizon allow me to sign a contract and honor a phone deal for a phone that isn't even out yet, for something they can't even price me for?
If I have no choice but to get an iPhone, do I just grab a simple 3G (I could care less about picture messaging) since a new one is around the corner.. or is the 3GS really that much better?
Help.. I'm at a wall.
I'm currently rockin an Touch Pro, but I need something with some power to it.

[Q] Inspire with Edge

Hello chaps,
Liking the site redesign - clearly been a while since I was last here!
I recently purchased a lovely, shiny new HTC Inspire off a friend. Beautiful bit of kit and the first time I've ever owned a "state of the art" device, so I was clearly pretty excited. I knew that I wouldn't be able to use it with T-Mob, even if I rooted it, due to the UTMS (3+G) frequency bands being incompatible. No problem, I thought, I'm not contracted to T-Mob, I'll just go get a rolling contract from AT&T. Easy right?
Well no. Because I'm a dirty foreigner, they won't give me a rolling contract without a $500 fee, which basically rules them out. Which means I have a lovely piece of kit I will never be able to use in the US
I was about to sell the device, painful as the prospect is, on eBay. But I thought I might try one last thing - living on T-Mob with just EDGE. Of course, it's not going to give me the full experience but might be good enough for my purposes (email, widget sync, light browsing). I don't stream Pandora or watch Youtube on my phone. Will EDGE be enough for me? Is it a pervasive ("always-on") connection or will I be looking at long delays between pull events?
Thanks!

Alexandicity said:
Hello chaps,
Liking the site redesign - clearly been a while since I was last here!
I recently purchased a lovely, shiny new HTC Inspire off a friend. Beautiful bit of kit and the first time I've ever owned a "state of the art" device, so I was clearly pretty excited. I knew that I wouldn't be able to use it with T-Mob, even if I rooted it, due to the UTMS (3+G) frequency bands being incompatible. No problem, I thought, I'm not contracted to T-Mob, I'll just go get a rolling contract from AT&T. Easy right?
Well no. Because I'm a dirty foreigner, they won't give me a rolling contract without a $500 fee, which basically rules them out. Which means I have a lovely piece of kit I will never be able to use in the US
I was about to sell the device, painful as the prospect is, on eBay. But I thought I might try one last thing - living on T-Mob with just EDGE. Of course, it's not going to give me the full experience but might be good enough for my purposes (email, widget sync, light browsing). I don't stream Pandora or watch Youtube on my phone. Will EDGE be enough for me? Is it a pervasive ("always-on") connection or will I be looking at long delays between pull events?
Thanks!
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For what you want edge is fine. You really only need 3g when watching videos or streaming music. The internet will be a bit slower.

Thanks klquicksall, good to hear. It occurs to me there's one more data use I have and that's maps. These will clearly go a little slower but any idea if the experience will be unusably awful or just a little laggy?

Alexandicity said:
Thanks klquicksall, good to hear. It occurs to me there's one more data use I have and that's maps. These will clearly go a little slower but any idea if the experience will be unusably awful or just a little laggy?
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you should download the 2g/3g control from the market and test it on your current or a friends phone that has 3g and see how slow it is.

I have read where some have had success using at&t phones with the prepaid voice/data/messaging plans from Walmart-straight talk. Don't know if it really works or just bs but worth looking into.

Newter - that could be a very good option if it works. Seems they recently switched from CDMA to GSM, which would be nice; the unlimited plan would be dirt cheap if they'll let me hit up GBs of data (I think they're not expecting smartphones on that plan!). One thing I expect will be that I won't be able to port my number, which is a bummer but I might use this opportunity to move to Google Voice..
I'll go talk to them about it tomorrow afternoon and see what they can do.

Alexandicity said:
Hello chaps,
Liking the site redesign - clearly been a while since I was last here!
I recently purchased a lovely, shiny new HTC Inspire off a friend. Beautiful bit of kit and the first time I've ever owned a "state of the art" device, so I was clearly pretty excited. I knew that I wouldn't be able to use it with T-Mob, even if I rooted it, due to the UTMS (3+G) frequency bands being incompatible. No problem, I thought, I'm not contracted to T-Mob, I'll just go get a rolling contract from AT&T. Easy right?
Well no. Because I'm a dirty foreigner, they won't give me a rolling contract without a $500 fee, which basically rules them out. Which means I have a lovely piece of kit I will never be able to use in the US
I was about to sell the device, painful as the prospect is, on eBay. But I thought I might try one last thing - living on T-Mob with just EDGE. Of course, it's not going to give me the full experience but might be good enough for my purposes (email, widget sync, light browsing). I don't stream Pandora or watch Youtube on my phone. Will EDGE be enough for me? Is it a pervasive ("always-on") connection or will I be looking at long delays between pull events?
Thanks!
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just be warned that when android on EDGE, you may often miss phone calls because the EDGE data connection, during a data trasnfer, kicks phone calls directly to voicemail. so there may be many times when gmail or something else is doing something in the background, and someone tried to call you but you never got the call. just watch out for this. sometimes calls will sneak thru, but lots of times they dont.
you could always manually turn off data though to avoid this.

if there's wifi wherever you are, you may not even notice a difference...just keep it on and use that when you're not out and about. maps will suck, i used to use maps on an intl phone with only edge frequencies with att but it worked decently well if you turn off satellite. worth a shot at least!

Thanks for the advice guys. I unlocked it and am running under t-mob. As expected, only EDGE, but the connection seems robust enough. I set up Wifi which will get me all my heavy stuff and the EDGE does seem sufficient for email, sunc and map-based browsing (takes perhaps 5 seconds to fill a map screen?). On the plus the battery seems to be pretty good!
Roger - are you saying that EDGE usage will block calls? Will that happen all the time EDGE is connected or just when it is active? Or is it an "interference" thing that reduces GSM reception when EDGE is transmitting?

Alexandicity said:
Thanks for the advice guys. I unlocked it and am running under t-mob. As expected, only EDGE, but the connection seems robust enough. I set up Wifi which will get me all my heavy stuff and the EDGE does seem sufficient for email, sunc and map-based browsing (takes perhaps 5 seconds to fill a map screen?). On the plus the battery seems to be pretty good!
Roger - are you saying that EDGE usage will block calls? Will that happen all the time EDGE is connected or just when it is active? Or is it an "interference" thing that reduces GSM reception when EDGE is transmitting?
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it will only block a call if data is actively being transmitted at that particular moment. an idle EDGE connection will let calls come thru no problem. just something to be aware of, as lots of times data is transmitting in the background, i.e. gmail is updating, or receiving an email, the market is checking for updates, etc.

I used a T Mobile exclusive phone, the HTC Dream / G1 for close to a year and never had issues with turn by turn Navigation unless I had less than stellar coverage from at&t.
Like others have mentioned, if you are like me and use mainly WiFi than you're not really missing much.
This is an incredible device, and with the ROM choices from it just being released a little more than a month ago is a great sign of amazing things to come.
On another note I myself enable GSM only to save battery life as well when I know I won't be needing it. Just an FYI.
Sent from my customized to the teeth HTC Inspire4G