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Which PDA should I get?

AT&T 8525, or AT&T Tilt?
I have the option between two, the only thing I can tell is a price difference.
I've heard the camera and video playback in the tilt lacks A LOT?
If this is true, should I get a 8525 instead?

I bought the 8525 because of price, but the Tilt has GPS which I really wanted. Also, HTC claims they are going to release the chipset drivers for the video controller to fix the problems with the Tilt, but until it is out, all I can say is the check is in the mail, OR, I'm from the Government, I am here to help. Yea Right!!

In my opinion with those two choices, (flame retardant clothing on), the Tilt is the way to go.
GPS, 3MP camera, 2x RAM, 2x ROM, slightly smaller footprint, USB 2.0 and the Tiltable keyboard convinced me to wait a whole month in September for the Tilt to come out in October.
It was a painful month, watching this forum every day for news that the device was ready for ordering, as I'm a gadget guy and I just handed back my crackberrry to my former employer, so I was left with a very small but useless 4yr old Sony Ericsson T68i as my only phone. I kept thinking maybe I should just get a 8525 because it's not that much different, but I continued to wait.
It was a decision I've never regretted. You can check out the product specs comparison here.

I do love the tilt. I've seen it in person, and at the at&t store, I messed with it for about an hour haha.
The only thing I see myself not using is the GPS.
Mainly because I always know where I am, and I know where I'm going, lol.
I think I'm going to get the 8525, just because it fits all my needs.
I like the tilt way more, but buying the 8525 for $230, and the tilt for around $360+, I guess I'll have to go cheaper.

The 8525 has proven itself efficient over & over for the price...not to mention that there are a lot of great cooked roms, tweaks, & customizations available for it!

Eu Touch Pro vs. "Fuze" USA Touch Pro

Hey loyal HTC fan here. Been using 8125 (Wizard) for 2+ years now. Me and the ol' faithful have been through it all..thick and thin. Unfortunately, the phones life is prettty much over and now I'm upgrading. (I've already decided to get a Touch Pro).
Right now, I'm living near LOTS of tall buildings and barely get 30% signal within my apartment and whenever someone calls they complain I keep breaking up unless I'm literally next to certain windows. While I'm struggling in my own house with my phone my family who has 3G phones have no issues. My poor soul has yet to truly experience 3G. I was about to buy a Euro Touch Pro when I had the doubt of whether or not I would get 3G with it when Fuze starts (yeah the long debates about the 3g, I know I'm sorry for bringing it up).
Do you guys feel I should buy a Eu Touch Pro now or just wait 2 weeks and see what happens with Fuze and go for an American one. Either way, I'm getting one...I just dont know what I should do because I NEED to be able to talk at home comfortably without missing calls etc

I say just wait off a lil bit and see what how things go down with the Fuze. You'll get a better price and no waiting for it to get shipped, and although with your current location 3G seems useless, but it might come in handy later on.

[Q] Fuze really worth it!?

Hi, I see a few people complaining about how the TouchPRO is better than the ATT Fuze, because of X and Y reason. I saw a few reviews on you tube, and read a few topics in here.
I have a Few Qs:
-The screen of the FUZE/touch pro, is it hard (like the iphone) or is it soft (like the TILT screen) ??
-Read or see somewere that ATT take out the YouTube "program" (or what ever that is called), is that true!?? so the Fuze users cant use the "cool" youtube app the TouchPro has?
-I have a Tilt, should I buy the Fuze!?
-anything else i need to know before buying it!??
thanks 4 your help

1. Fuze is worth it. TP isn't. Fuze is $200 cheaper. Big difference. Unless you don't care
2. The screen is harder than the tilt, but softer than the iPhone
3. Youtube program is in the /Windows folder, Aee tee n tee just decided to take it out from the Internet tab on TF3D and from the Start menu
4. Yeah. I had a tilt, I still have a tilt, but I bought the fuze. So much better. Loving it since Nov 12.
5. Finger print magnet. Don't drop it. Get a case and invisibleSHIELD for it.
6. Also. Some of these has been asked before. Please search

There are benefits to both, if you really want the device go for it and be happy. Either one is a good phone.
I wanted to get the Fuze because I want 3g support. I have no regrets about it or their changes to the device really.
The Tilt has some good Roms for it and I know a few people who have held back upgrading because they did not feel the price was worth it for just looks when they could get their Tilts to work similarly. Upgraded hardware not mentioned by them.
Kraize;
Do you know where the list or shortcuts are pulled from for the "All Programs" button on the programs tab? I want to add YouTube to that vs my start menu but cant seem to locate that full list. At least not yet...

The Fuze is the better deal.. unless of course you have tmobile in an area that doesn't have 3G and are willing to shell out an extra $250 for a front camera.. then get the TP.
Because I've made my Fuze nothing short of the HTC Touch Pro, except for the camera.. and of course minor differences in housing (the back is very glossy)... which i change the housing to my phones every 4 months.. so it doesn't matter

thanks guys, the thing is that I have to b uy it to ATT at the full price, cause I dont even have 1 year on my 2 year comitment I made last december
I forgot to say that, so for me both the TOUCH PRO and FUZE cost basically the same.

I got the fuze today. THe phone it self is good but ATT sucks >_< im gona return it in a few weeks so i can actually benfit payn for the first month...

egk-69 said:
thanks guys, the thing is that I have to b uy it to ATT at the full price, cause I dont even have 1 year on my 2 year comitment I made last december
I forgot to say that, so for me both the TOUCH PRO and FUZE cost basically the same.
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Go with the Fuze if you're in an area with AT&T 3G service. The Touch Pro doesn't support AT&T's 3G bands. It's that simple.
If you're comfortable enough with ROM flashing, you can make your Fuze exactly into a Touch Pro (with a PTT button on the side and no front camera) or you can get a cleaner, smooth-running AT&T ROM by installing the NATF Fuze ROM here on the ROM dev forum. This is highly recommended because AT&T limits the speed on the Fuze to UMTS, but their network and the Fuze are HSDPA-capable. It's still pretty snappy even with the stock ROM.

Read my info here to help with your decision too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2921230&postcount=7

I was just able to play the FM radio through my Headphones and then start up MusicID and ID the song...how freakin awesome is that?!?
Fuze FTW

thank you guys, I love this forums!!
Another Q: anywere I can buy a Fuze (no contract, cause I cant) cheaper than AT&T price!???
let me know i really want the phone (kinda Gift it to my self in this cristmas) but im kinda broke right now, hehe
Thanks

egk-69 said:
thank you guys, I love this forums!!
Another Q: anywere I can buy a Fuze (no contract, cause I cant) cheaper than AT&T price!???
let me know i really want the phone (kinda Gift it to my self in this cristmas) but im kinda broke right now, hehe
Thanks
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same here, except that I'm not broke. Just sold my tilt for $500

wow!! 500 for the TILT!!!
wow, how can I sell mine on that price!?, hehe
I want to sell my tilt so I can buy the Fuze, I would love to buy the Fuze, but i dont think is going to be possible for a long time, I still have 1 year more of contract so I cant buy it at the 2 year comitment price, and the no contract price its too high for me right now...

egk-69 said:
wow!! 500 for the TILT!!!
wow, how can I sell mine on that price!?, hehe
I want to sell my tilt so I can buy the Fuze, I would love to buy the Fuze, but i dont think is going to be possible for a long time, I still have 1 year more of contract so I cant buy it at the 2 year comitment price, and the no contract price its too high for me right now...
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Talk to the store managers. I was 11 months into my 2 year on att. They let me have it for 299 and just added 13 months to my contract to make it 2 years again. They can do it without any hassle if they want to. Sold my tilt for 225 so it only cost me 75 bucks to upgrade (that and another 24 months stuck on att again)

laakness said:
I was just able to play the FM radio through my Headphones and then start up MusicID and ID the song...how freakin awesome is that?!?
Fuze FTW
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i just tried it too..FREAKEN AWESOME! <3

Front Camera
Hi everyone.
This forum is amazing.
I read XDA almost everyday .
The only complain I have for the FUZE is why they removed the Front Camera.
That is the only part I can complain about the FUZE after having a cook rom on it.

I bought a Tilt with AT&T contract extension in late October, and then returned it under AT&T's 30-day return policy in order to buy the Fuze. Overall, I'm very happy I made the switch. I much prefer the form factor of the Fuze (totally flat front, smaller more manageable size), and the VGA screen is awesome. Upgraded hardware specs are nice, but frankly haven't given any noticeable performance difference over the Tilt.
The things I don't like about the Fuze are as follows:
- Glossy finish (prefer hard-rubberized surface)
- Screen is "hard", requiring more effort than the softer Tilt screen
- Although I still can't believe that this flaw passed the HTC design team, the back of the HTC phone is not flat, but has this lame Diamond pattern with little ridges that prevent the phone from lying flat on a desk.
- Fewer hard buttons than Tilt, and no jog wheel (admittedly, I've gotten used to the Fuze layout and don't miss the lack of hard buttons).
- I think TouchFlo3D is lame, and finally removed it from my device yesterday. I prefer the HTC Home interface from the Tilt (which I'm now using on my Fuze).
The AT&T Fuze was, for me, very slow out-of-the-box. I flashed a cooked HTC Rom, and I've very pleased with the results. Although I thought the Tilt was an awesome phone, I don't miss it one bit. I like to keep cell phones for at least 3 years (preferably 4), so wanted something with the best hardware specs that should hold up well over time.
- DDB

HTC Touch HD Owners in the United States Help Out Us Wannabees

To those of you who've been brave enough to import the Touch HD, please enlighten the rest of us who are on the fence. I think we all know that the major issue is the lack of 3G for us in the states. Does EDGE work well enough for day to day mobile browsing? Is the lack of faster data speed a big enough minus to advise others against importing the phone? Are there other pitfalls that we may not be aware of at this point? Thanks for any information you guys can offer to the rest of us who may be considering buying The Touch HD for use with TMobile, AT&T, etc.

better wait
I am one of the people hesitating too. However I know I hate the EDGE speeds compared to the 3G network. In the my office the 3G reception is marginal and with my current HTC Trinity I change the E and H nets all day long.
What I hate about the E:
1. The phone is much more slow. by much I mean MUCH. browsing the internet on E speeds is amazingly slow.
2. If you happen to have the phone in a cradle like I do, and happen to have amplified speakers of the cheap kind , the one without magnetic protection, like most people will add to their office PC, spending few bucks, you will note how much interference is created by the phone while on the E network. Amazingly loud noise. While on the H network - quiet.
3. A co-worker of mine bought the Diamond before the US 3G version showed up. 3 months later the US version came out. It is different hardware so he will NEVER be on 3G with his over $500 investment.
4. I have consulted a reseller of the HD touch and he told me the chipset of the current HD touch will not support the US 3G frequency. it isn't that there will be a firmware or software tweak.
As much as I am eager to put put my hands on a new HD, I am waiting. If spending $850 will buy me a downgrade to EDGE networks, as good as reception is for me (Edge is working in a very nice coverage for me with AT&T in CA) I rather be patient. Either thee will be a US version, or maybe another phone. HTC already came up with 4G phone and Wimax support one, so I am sure they are not going to neglect the US market for long.
I personally believe as soon as they will finish milking the European market with 850 Euro per unit, it will have to appear here supporting US nets.

yeah...
I have one... cost me $710 shipped to me in two days from clove.
Edge is slower. 3G is faster.. some places more than twice as fast.
Depends on what you want... i absolutely love the phone... still having fun tweaking the heck out of it... the screen is to die for.. everyone wants to know what kind of phone it is.. i use slingplayer to watch shows at 350K on edge no problem... thats my highest bandwdith consumption piece. Side by side... my wifes iphone opens cnn in about 4 seconds less than my phone does it... i can give up 4 seconds for the goodness that is the Touch HD... really I can.. like i said.. some people will care more than others... me, Id do it all over again

Is the fuze discontinued?

I went to the att website to find out the price of the fuze and realized that its not there anymore. Is the fuze discontinued? Is att coming out whit a upgrade soon?

mackdaddy09 said:
I went to the att website to find out the price of the fuze and realized that its not there anymore. Is the fuze discontinued? Is att coming out whit a upgrade soon?
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I believe it has been. The AT&T Touch Pro 2 (Tilt 2) is rumored to be released on October 18th.

they dont discontinue it cause a new one is on its way. if it has a section for zip code then its prolly cutting out some of the phones. i know many of the stores in houston are still selling the fuze and the tilt. the phone hasnt been out even a year. everyone with a fuze is still under warranty and everything.

Actually they have discontinued it. I went to an AT&T Replacement store and they would replace the battery for my Fuze because they told me the fuze is discontinued.

It just barely disappeared from the website, but you haven't been able to get it since late August.
My Tilt gave out about then (company phone), and I went it to have it replaced with what I assumed would be a Fuze. There wasn't any there, and when they looked, there was only one in the entire state, and the store that had it wouldn't send it down. They claimed they could order one, but I doubt it would ever have come.
It's pretty clear in hindsight that they were clearing inventory ahead of the TP2 coming out (supposedly) October 18. I think they jumped the gun by a month or so, but hey, if you can't get a Fuze, that's a perfect chance to try to sell an iPhone, right?

hollywould said:
Actually they have discontinued it. I went to an AT&T Replacement store and they would replace the battery for my Fuze because they told me the fuze is discontinued.
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can't get a new battery? D: or you can?

I was just on the att website and i saw they have a phone called the htc pure. I do you guess believe this phone is the fuze replacement?

mackdaddy09 said:
I was just on the att website and i saw they have a phone called the htc pure. I do you guess believe this phone is the fuze replacement?
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Fuze is basically an HTC Touch Pro. The "Pure" is based on the HTC Touch Diamond 2. AT&T will also carry the HTC Touch Pro 2 as the "Tilt 2".
In other words, the manufacturing cycle for Touch Pro / Fuze is over. The Fuze device is not rolling off the assembly line anymore. Instead, AT&T has ordered volumes of the HTC Diamond 2 (Pure) and HTC Touch Pro 2 )Tilt 2) from HTC.
Get it?
BTW, I am in the market for a used Fuze in decent condition. PM me if you have one to sell.

I don't like either of the new phones. The Pure looks like the regular diamond. The screen is no bigger then the Fuze (maybe a tad longer).
The Tilt2 reminds me of my Axim x51v. It is about the same size as an iPhone but thicker. Too bad it is identical to the Fuze as far as processor/memory/camera goes.
I like the idea of a bigger screen, but I can't justify spending $300+ for just a new feature. My Fuze already has a newer WM build than Tilt2 out of the box. Just seems expensive for what they are.
I'm holding out. I hear AT&T is picking up the Omnia II which is same screen res but 800mhz proc. 5MP camera too. Or wait for the HTC Leo

I agree with you. I moved from the Wiz AkA Cingular 8125 to the FUZE last fall. So you can see what a big jump that was. The pure and Tilt 2 is a short coming. Same specs just repackaged. I will wait and hope ATT gets the new HD2 (Leo) or something of that caliber.
I can’t thank XDA enough for being the best community for people who share the same passion.
player911 said:
I don't like either of the new phones. The Pure looks like the regular diamond. The screen is no bigger then the Fuze (maybe a tad longer).
The Tilt2 reminds me of my Axim x51v. It is about the same size as an iPhone but thicker. Too bad it is identical to the Fuze as far as processor/memory/camera goes.
I like the idea of a bigger screen, but I can't justify spending $300+ for just a new feature. My Fuze already has a newer WM build than Tilt2 out of the box. Just seems expensive for what they are.
I'm holding out. I hear AT&T is picking up the Omnia II which is same screen res but 800mhz proc. 5MP camera too. Or wait for the HTC Leo
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Yea since the Tilt2 and Pure (TP2 TD2) came to AT&T, i've been really looking at my Fuze. I love the fact that XDA is great and allows my Fuze to be more then what it actually was developed for. With that said I was never really happy with my Fuze. I think it is the thickness that really kills it. The microphone is horrible too... I'm always getting complaints that background noise is SO bad on my phone (and I've gone through a couple units).
I was really happy with my Dell Axim x51v which could pretty much do anything, except make calls. The Tilt2 reminds me of my Axim but it just seems like a side step to the fuze then a step up.
Seems all current HTC phones max out at 528mhz. I can't really say whether AT&T will top their new phones in a few short months. I'd love to wait around for the Leo but I seriously doubt AT&T will get it for a year or so (if at all). US Carriers never pick up the awesome phones.
Perhaps the Leo will be the upgrade to the Pure next year.

I'm actually on my 3rd FUZE. It's not a bad phone, I agree... It is a bit brickish... Also its very top heavy.
I would have to agree with the speakerphone.... Even using voice command... I have to repeat the command like 10 thousand times when its not dead silence.
But other then that, its got some great roms (Tael&Energy) and it does not look like they are going to be giving up on the phone anytime soon.
The last phone had an issue with white screen, and the phone randomly hard resetted.
They infomed me the last call that the next issue I have, I would be able to do an upgrade due to all of the problems I have been experiencing.
That was about a month ago (seems like when I get close to the endlife of my warranty the phones go nuts. I guess part of me is lucky that it does not happen until after the warranty expired)
My phone has been dropping calls like crazy for the past week, regardless of the rom, even the stock AT&T rom. Even when I put my girls sim in, same issue.... So I guess it's time to call AT&T...
If they are going to exchange the phone, I really would like to get the Tilt2.
I know if I call them now, they are going to end up giving me trouble or me getting suck with a blackberry or iphone...lol
Anyone else have this problem? How long should I wait... I've never ran into this problem before.

I got my first Fuze because my Tilt had the random white screen issue. It was the 3rd tilt I returned, so they let me upgrade to the Fuze. This was also a few months ago. I ended up getting my second Fuze (which I still have now) because of the trap door on the back coming loose 2 days after I got it.
I do see the issues coming right around 60-90 days after I get the phones. I am wondering if this one will have an issue too Course, I do get my upgrade in November.

I just checked my ATT account... The Fuze is listed as out of stock online, they are showing BOTH the Pure and Tilt 2 now as available upgrades.
The Pure is listed with a 5.0 MP camera, Tilt 2 has 3.2. Both have the same amount of Ram and Rom size as the Fuze... I thought the Tilt2 was supposed to be a little better?

I've had my Fuze about 3 months via a free upgrade (from my Tilt) from AT&T. I know there are better phones out there, but I have been very happy with waiting for things to get fully utilized and most bugs worked out of them before I adopt.
Now, can someone point me to where a fix for the Comm Manager ON/OFF Icons can be found. I have been searching the XDA forums without any luck! I will post a separate thread for it...

PhantomYoda said:
I just checked my ATT account... The Fuze is listed as out of stock online, they are showing BOTH the Pure and Tilt 2 now as available upgrades.
The Pure is listed with a 5.0 MP camera, Tilt 2 has 3.2. Both have the same amount of Ram and Rom size as the Fuze... I thought the Tilt2 was supposed to be a little better?
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yes i know its weird how pure and tilt 2 differs ESPECIALLY with camera quality, HTC shouldve been fair enough to slap a 5MP camera on the Rhodium instead of a crappy 3.2mp we got on the Fuze, anyways, specs are the same as well, but the fact that when i looked at the review videos...it seems like the Rhodium seems faster and flawless, but still same specs
youre lucky that u have an upgrade in Nov, mine is next Nov xD
i would definitely buy the tilt 2 for the better keyboard and big screen and battery life but whats holding me back is the LED Flash....thats a useful thing for me to have because i use it as a flashlight if i dont have one in hand
The Jack of Clubs said:
they dont discontinue it cause a new one is on its way. if it has a section for zip code then its prolly cutting out some of the phones. i know many of the stores in houston are still selling the fuze and the tilt. the phone hasnt been out even a year. everyone with a fuze is still under warranty and everything.
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the AT&T store i went to not too long ago doesnt carry the device anymore which i think is insane! it doesnt make sense to me and some people that why pull out a great phone for a newer one thats got the same specs?and its not even a year old yet? Verizon and Sprint still have their TPs out on display along with the TP2. AT&T should smack their heads back together and put the FUZE back up on the displays over here in this area or anywhere, at least until they get their hands on the Leo, if thats possible....