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AT&T Fuze.... a disappointment, or salvageable?

I was hoping to get all the AT&T Fuze owner's two cents about the device. I'm an AT&T customer with a Cingular 8125, ready to upgrade. I've been poking through XDA-Developers for a while, trying to get a feel for what the XDA-Dev community could do for what I found to be a disappointing performance from the stock Fuze device I tried at the AT&T store.
Right now I'm looking to either upgrade to an AT&T Fuze, or spend a little more and get an unlocked T-Mobile G1 (I'm also drooling over the Palm Pre, but I don't think that's coming to AT&T any time soon).
I guess what I'm trying to get a sense of is... did flashing a custom rom significantly improve the Fuze's response time? And, if its at all possible to predict at this point, is an Android port to the Raphael inevitable, in a fully functional build? The TouchXperience thread gives me hope, but I don't want to drop $350 on a device that doesn't live up to its specs.
What do you guys think?

IMO, flashing a custom ROM completely changed the device. The stock ROM was slow and sluggish and not very responsive (especially with the TouchFlo interface).
I've tried a few custom ROMs and they've all been HUGE improvements over the stock ROM. They all have their own flavor of apps and customizations, so you just have to find the one that best matches your needs. If you like the stock theme (the grey one), then try NotATreoFan's ROM.
On the downside, there are some negatives about it, but I'm still extremely happy with it. GPS seems to have some lag, but after doing some tweaks it is still within my acceptable limits. The battery doesn't last very long if you're a heavy user. I'm a light user compared to many, so the battery hasn't been an issue for me. It attracts fingerprints pretty bad, but again, I can live with it.
I think the VGA screen is amazing and I'm not sure if I could go back to a regular QVGA screen.
As far as Android, I haven't really read much about porting it for a TP, but I've heard where even the G1 isn't really ready for prime time yet. If you want Android, then I would get an Android phone. I wouldn't wait for someone to port it because it may or may not happen.
With Sprint I had the 700wx, Q, Touch (Vogue)...the Touch was my favorite PDA with Sprint because it was so small (I don't really need a physical keyboard).
With AT&T I've had the Tilt and now the Fuze. The Fuze is still a little big for my liking. The Blackstone is probably more my size, but who knows when AT&T will get it and how much it'll be. I think the Fuze blows away the Tilt after doing custom ROMs.
I would also suggest flashing a different radio. If you don't mind paying about $20, I would get security unlocked and flash a Blackstone radio. They give me superb call clarity compared to the stock radio.

I had an 8125 and a Tilt. Now I have a Fuze.
Frankly, the Fuze is fine and doesn't need to be salvaged...it is that much better than the 8125 and the 8925 (Tilt).
I have ditched TouchFlo for a Today Screen running phoneAlarm, Pocket Breeze and Pocket Weather (see the screen shot) and used the advanced configurator to speed up the overall performance and enable 3.5G services.
Very easy. no muss, no fuss.

eisenkrote said:
I was hoping to get all the AT&T Fuze owner's two cents about the device. I'm an AT&T customer with a Cingular 8125, ready to upgrade. I've been poking through XDA-Developers for a while, trying to get a feel for what the XDA-Dev community could do for what I found to be a disappointing performance from the stock Fuze device I tried at the AT&T store.
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Ya know, when I looked at Fuzes (and TP's at Sprint) at the store, they didn't work so well, either. You have to realize that the demo's get pretty abused, and that they probably haven't had a soft reset since they were taken out of the box. You get a bunch of knuckleheads in the store opening up every program on the device without shutting them down, and when you go in to check it out, it works like crap. This could have been the problem you found. I know that a couple of the ones I looked at were completely frozen-I knew they needed a reset, but had no idea how to do it at the time (the reset hole is tiny-it's just next to the usb port and requires the stylus to activate it).

I had no idea what I was even getting when I purchased my Fuze. I hadn't even see the thing, or tried someone elses TP.
I ran the stock ROM for about 2 weeks, in case it had any issues. It was terrible, extremely slow, and overall it sucked. I then flashed a few ROM's and noticed a huge improvement.
I now run RSW's Fuze ROM and love it. The GPS locks fairly quickly, and everything works like a breeze. I didn't want all the extra jumble on the phone, so this ROM worked great for me.
There are still a few drawbacks, such as someone above mentioned - GPS lag. I expect this from this type of device. I've got a handheld GPS, and I'd much rather use it than my phone for navigating. The battery does drain, but I have had good luck with it. GPS will kill it, but that is about it. I play Sudoku/Teeter/Solitaire throughout my day, and make a few phone calls, as well as send texts and view things online. I still manage to have decent battery life by the time I get home at night.
I'm pretty content with the phone overall. I came from a non-smartphone, so this was a big leap (and 2 months later I'm still adjusting to some things).

I had a TYTN II (tilt) now a Fuze. Both saw a stock ROM for all of 2 seconds. Personally the fuze is much better than the tilt. I've never worked with Android but in a fe software generations I'm sure it will be great....but its still in its infancy.
I will wait a bit before trying it out.
My two cents

I've got the Fuze I love it and flashing a custom rom (had the at&t one on there for 2 months) was great the phone is 100% faster and so much more responsive and i know once XDA has some more time with this then the few small downfalls will disappear

I had asked the same question before buying my FUZE. Out of the box, it is severely crippled.
After reading tyguy's great article:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459335
I was able to have a completely different device with little effort. I've since flashed a new ROM and can't say enough about how great this device is. TouchFLO is incredibly responsive, I have all the apps I could possibly want, and I've even managed to tweak it to get a little longer battery life.
I was very leery about getting this phone, but now I'm completely happy with it.

Farmer Ted said:
Ya know, when I looked at Fuzes (and TP's at Sprint) at the store, they didn't work so well, either. You have to realize that the demo's get pretty abused, and that they probably haven't had a soft reset since they were taken out of the box. You get a bunch of knuckleheads in the store opening up every program on the device without shutting them down, and when you go in to check it out, it works like crap. This could have been the problem you found. I know that a couple of the ones I looked at were completely frozen-I knew they needed a reset, but had no idea how to do it at the time (the reset hole is tiny-it's just next to the usb port and requires the stylus to activate it).
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That and the stylus ends up stolen after about 2 weeks.

Where do you get all these Fuze tools?
I see everyone talking about the ROMs, radios, gps, and such.
Where can one find these for download?
Is there a list that tells what each does?
I just got the Fuze. This is all new for me and is my
first smart phone. Any guidance would be great!

ATnTdude said:
That and the stylus ends up stolen after about 2 weeks.
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The ones that I looked at actually had the stylus glued or taped in, so you couldn't do a soft reset if you wanted to.

The XDA-Wiki is your friend....
jctn93 said:
I see everyone talking about the ROMs, radios, gps, and such.
Where can one find these for download?
Is there a list that tells what each does?
I just got the Fuze. This is all new for me and is my
first smart phone. Any guidance would be great!
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Try that first.....
or this
blownfuze.org

Flash your Fuze. I'm using Da_G's bare roms which will strip everything down to bare Windows Mobile default apps. The phone screams.
I still use a few HTC modifications, like the Dialer app and Volume control... but all of that crap is eye candy and sucks.
Da_G seems to really be leading the pack with his roms. There have been numerous advances to the drivers... especially the graphics and GPS.
The only thing I think could be better about the Fuze is the buttons. I don't think any of them are programmable on a stock rom. With the most recent roms, we've gotten all of the buttons remappable (both single press and long press) except the Home, Back, and Volume Keys.
There are tons of new innovative applications coming about every day that make the Fuze easier and easier to use. The Fuze/Touch Pro is relatively new. I know the community will solve all of the short comings one day. There are tons of ROMS, hacks, and tweaks already available for this phone. Windows Mobile 6.5 is already underway and I'm pretty confident we'll see Windows Mobile 7 as well.
If you are looking for a phone for the long haul, I think the Fuze is a good choice.

I jumped from the 8525 to the Fuze. I researched and had the downloaded the ROM I wanted and Hard-SPL before I bought my Fuze. I also had downloaded a couple applications I found here at XDA, TouchLockPro and Lumos. The stock ROM was on my Fuze about 10 minutes while I checked that it was working properly. I loved my 8525, but I would never go back. I love my Fuze even more except for the GSP issue. I found a fix here that gets me a lock quickly, but it is still a little flaky and sometimes does not get a lock as quick as I would like. I have not had to use it yet, but I still keep my old bluetooth GPS in my car just in case. I also love having VGA back. I had a Dell X50v before the 8525 and loved the VGA screen and missed it on the 8525, but the Fuze is VGA. I just wish somebody would put the 625 MHz processor and graphics accelerator the X50v had in a smartphone.

I jumped. I went from Samsung Blackjack I > AT&T Tilt > HTC Fuze. Best phone I've had so far. People say it's fat and whatever. I would really ditch the HTC fuze if I didn't use it for all the features. The iPhone is good for playing games and showing off. The fuze is good to actually use. I mean the camera is good, I actually use video out and use it to listen to music. Love it, don't really care for battery life either since I charge it every night. Could care less about the weight. So it's all your choice
If you want a lightweight phone that has plenty of battery is and good for doing multimedia, get the iPhone or Touch HD. I'm thinking about upgrading to a Touch HD since I use the on-screen keyboard a lot anyways and on a bigger screen, it's easier also. It seems like it's worth it. If you don't care about size or battery and need a hardware keyboard, get the Fuze and you won't be disappointed.

I bought a replacement for my 8525. I love the Fuze. Using the stock rom was okay. But after switching to a different rom. The speed increased pretty darn good. Fuze is a good device for years to come.

where do you get the ROMs and how do you install them?

I had a Fuze (coming from a Motorola Q9h) for about a week and a half before returning it. My main complaints were the sub-standard speakerphone, difficulty getting a GPS lock, and slightly worse RF reception compared to the Q9h. I tried the various GPS fixes listed here with varying results and tried several tweaked AudioPara3 files to improve the speakerphone volume, but couldn't find one that upped the volume without distortion or static on the other end.
I really liked the form factor and found the phone to be responsive after following the instructions in the "AT&T Fuze noobs..." thread. I really wanted to like the phone but I use the speakerphone a lot at home and I live in a marginal reception area (lots of trees - reception gets noticeably worse in the spring/summer when the leaves grow back) and the Q9h excelled in both of those areas. If those things don't matter to you the Fuze is a great phone and I'd definitely recommend it.

Kraize said:
I jumped. I went from Samsung Blackjack I > AT&T Tilt > HTC Fuze. Best phone I've had so far.
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Went from Blackjack 1 -> Fuze
Huge difference. Glad I did the jump because the community and the chefs are damn good and working hard to make this phone better.
Used Da_G's on my blackjack, slide panels ftw!

jctn93 said:
I just got the Fuze. This is all new for me and is my
first smart phone. Any guidance would be great!
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Take a look here first:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459335

TP2 or Imagio?

I have the TP2 VZW, and yes, it's a very nice phone. I can't seem to get by the weight though. I always notice it and even pulls at my belt in the holster. Keyboard is great, but could live without it. Anyone else considering the Imagio?
Wish I could put them side to side....
I'm sure XDA will add it to they supported listed when enough get out there.

welll yea the imagio is a 1/3 lighter and the camera is slightly better and way more custimizable and at the same price why not but we need someone to post some deffinitve pictures but as far as weight ita 6.17 oz compared to 4.15 so make that call and post a review

It's really all about the keyboard. If you will never use it then it's just a bunch of extra weight/thickness. If you think you will use it, then get it to be safe. It is the deal breaker.

First off all the easy way now is just to go to Verizon's site and "check" the 2 phones and click compare to see the differences. If you trust Verizon's specs then pdadb.net is not accurate for the CDMA model.
I just turned in my TP2 and have a Imagio coming. I did it as even though the keyboard is awesome and I could type very fast, I am just not a heavy text/emailing. Well I do a lot of reading, not as much writing. So for the extra 2 MP on the camera and the lighter weight I went for the Imagio.
It truly comes down to the keyboard and the camera and how important they are to you.
Edit: In particular PDADB quotes specs are 1/3 lighter but Verizon specs show it being only 1.1 oz apart

Here's a bit of a comparison to the TP2, though it's mostly a review.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYXspSlLmZg

i ordered the imagio this morning and it looks like it should be here thursday. that said, i am posting this from my tp2 using the slideout keyboard and thinking that i may have to give the imagio to my girlfriend if i can't live without the keyboard. ill report back when i get the imagio

rolandroland said:
First off all the easy way now is just to go to Verizon's site and "check" the 2 phones and click compare to see the differences. If you trust Verizon's specs then pdadb.net is not accurate for the CDMA model.
I just turned in my TP2 and have a Imagio coming. I did it as even though the keyboard is awesome and I could type very fast, I am just not a heavy text/emailing. Well I do a lot of reading, not as much writing. So for the extra 2 MP on the camera and the lighter weight I went for the Imagio.
It truly comes down to the keyboard and the camera and how important they are to you.
Edit: In particular PDADB quotes specs are 1/3 lighter but Verizon specs show it being only 1.1 oz apart
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I believe PDADB was stated as WRONG in another thread. I have the dimensions and weights scribbled out at work.
How did you turn your TP2 in for the imagio? Was this all online/customer service?

I'm considering turning mine in to. I'm under the 30 day free trial. I really like the tp2, but can't get by the weight issue. To be honest, I love the look of TouchPro 2 with Touch Flow, but I loaded spb 3.5 and OH MY! Not as pretty , but less key strokes to get where your going, and if your not happy, just customize it to whatever you want. I swear memory usage went down too, and I know apps pop up faster. I have to use Pocket Informat so the pretty calendar is no loss.

TV Out capability?
Anyone know if the TV Out capability of the TP2 is still there in the Imagio?

Those that got a TP2, I called VZ and if you are in the 30 day, you CAN return, but you have to use the return label.
If you buy a imagio at full price, the rep stated you will get the credit, and the 2 year pricing credit, but it can take up to 2 billing cycles for the credits. That's my only option since the TP2 was bought online.
You might want to call to verify that, but that's what I got when I called. I should have asked her to add notes to the account, but I'm still thinking about it all.

SD_Martin said:
Anyone know if the TV Out capability of the TP2 is still there in the Imagio?
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I don't think anyone is getting an imagio until tomorrow (using the free overnight VZ code). The imagio was just up on the VZ site today for sale (internet only)

I thought about it...I rely on the keyboard and the 2MP extra on the camera is not that important because I carry a real camera with me and I actually think the 3MP on the TP2 is decent in a snap, also I don't plan on paying 15 bucks extra a month for the Verizon TV so its a no go.
I'm just hoping the HD2 doesn't come out before my contract is up. I have 10 more days before I can return my fantastic TP2.

Those who do get the Imagio - PLEASE...
If you do get the Imagio, please post your comments on it particularly:
1) What you love
2) What you miss over the TP2
And, most important to me:
A) Is battery life better or worse compared to TP2, and
B) Is the EARPIECE LOUDER stock out of the box, without any tweaks.
I, and probably a few others, would really appreciate it.

i am going through the same thing all it comes down to is this
Touch Pro2
Pros: - Stereo Speakers
- Noise Canceling Mics​-slide out keyboard (for those who use it)​
Cons - Weight
- No wimno 6.5 (until hspl or vzw releases it)​- Thickness​
Imagio
Pros: - 5mp Camera
- flotv (for who ever wants it)​- Thinner and Lighter​
Con: - no keyboard
(the fact that it doesnt have a d-pad is the gripe for me)

Have been using Imagio for a few days now. Love it.
I don't own a TP2, but played with my co-worker's TP2 for a while. You can definitly feel the difference of weight and thickness.
All the phones I've used in past have a keyboard, either 9-key or full keyboard. I thought I can't live without keyboard, but actually I'm okay with the on-screen keyboard, and type fast enough to reply some emails. The only thing I really miss is the jog dial on my old Hermes. When reading text (I like reading novels while my wife is shopping), I can use one hand to hold the phone and my thumb will be right on the jog dial. I can easily scroll up/down. Now I have to move my thumb to touch the screen to scroll, then move it back so my thumb don't block my sight.
Everthing else works great. Camera is okay, without flash, you can't expect a lot when it's dark. I like the FM Radio too.
Now if I can have Manila 2.5 on it I'll be very very happy. Hope Verizon/HTC will release an official update for it.

rhinology:
How is the earpiece volume? The TP2 is very low and can be dificult to hear with any background noise. Oh, and is it true the Imagio won't do landscape for keyboard? Ouch, that may be my dealbreaker right there!

I have the tp2 and my gf has the imagio its basically the same phone. I cant deal with just a touchscreen because it gets irritating i like having the option to jus whip my keyboard out and start typing.
The Touch Pro 2s battery life is much better. A full charge on both phones the touch pro 2 still has 2 bars the next morning while the imagios battery is either dead or 1 bar left running ive noticed this most of this week with both phones around me.

deadwrong03 said:
I have the tp2 and my gf has the imagio its basically the same phone. I cant deal with just a touchscreen because it gets irritating i like having the option to jus whip my keyboard out and start typing.
The Touch Pro 2s battery life is much better. A full charge on both phones the touch pro 2 still has 2 bars the next morning while the imagios battery is either dead or 1 bar left running ive noticed this most of this week with both phones around me.
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What percent are they at really in the morning? Install the 1% fix to really compare?
And are the settings 100% the same? Same gmail download times? Same checking of weather, push internet on or off?
I would guess that you are saying the stock IM, 6.5 is a battery hog?
Please elaborate!

syntrix said:
What percent are they at really in the morning? Install the 1% fix to really compare?
And are the settings 100% the same? Same gmail download times? Same checking of weather, push internet on or off?
I would guess that you are saying the stock IM, 6.5 is a battery hog?
Please elaborate!
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the settings are pretty much the same we do light browsing maybe 20 mins browsing texting and phone calls like every couple hours 15-20 mins. the only consitent app we both have running is palringo in the background which is a rather light app. I configured both the only thing is she wanted her Imagio set to check for emails every 15 mins mines is set to 30 mins. Now i leave my bluetooth on all day and hers is off unless shes using it. Her battery is roughly at 10 or 5% the next morning if its not powered off.
from my light usage of her phone i havent seen push internet on her phone like it says Push Internet on my browser tab. i dont have any set on my tp2 since i read that could be a waste on battery

ok, so they ARE different, and usage is different. You have 1/2 the data usage as hers based on email checks. Hardly a controlled experiment

Buyer's Remorse?

I'm not yet as in love with my MT4G as most people on here are. I'm coming over from an Evo 4G and I'm not liking the new phone much. I like typing on it better because it fits my hand better, but the lack of real estate (screen size) has me disappointed. I also really miss my touch-buttons at the bottoms instead of these manual hard buttons. I keep "touching" them and they don't do anything.. then I remember I have to PRESS them! LOL.
I've had two automatic reboots since yesterday, which has me concerned. A phone that reboots itself is usually a good candidate to send back, right?
And the speaker.... hasn't anyone noticed the speaker volume SUCKS. My Evo is a LOT louder and my wife's new Motorola Charm is like a foghorn! That Charm is the loudest handset I ever heard... but it has other problems like it won't find certain apps on the market that show up on every other phone! That is really weird.
And if you use an app to get rid of the screen lock (I hate screen locks and see no earthly use for them.... where did they come from?), which is No Lock, works great, except every button on the phone will turn it on!!!!! Without the NO LOCK app, only the trackpad and the power button will turn it on.
That said, I'll probably get used to it and like it fine with time... but both my wife and I had a hard time sending out text messages tonight and we had full bars. The messages kept getting bounced back saying they weren't able to be sent (although it turned out some of them did go, even though they said they didn't). I don't know what caused it, but I'm not liking TMO much with problems like that right off the bat. In a month I'll know if I'm keeping it or going to AT&T as they will be in town some time in December.
What do I like? Well, the screen has just the same sensitivity as my Evo... nobody makes a touch screen like HTC!!!! I love it.
And the Battery! Wow... what a battery saver this phone is. I had to put the 3500 mah Seidio battery on my Evo to make it through the day, but this one has been "up" for 15 hours with 30% left and heavy usage today. When I unplug my Evo, it drops 5%-8% in 5 minutes. This one went a couple hours on 100% with heavy usage before it started to drop. I thought the meter was whacko!

lonlawrence said:
I'm not yet as in love with my MT4G as most people on here are. I'm coming over from an Evo 4G and I'm not liking the new phone much. I like typing on it better because it fits my hand better, but the lack of real estate (screen size) has me disappointed. I also really miss my touch-buttons at the bottoms instead of these manual hard buttons. I keep "touching" them and they don't do anything.. then I remember I have to PRESS them! LOL.
I've had two automatic reboots since yesterday, which has me concerned. A phone that reboots itself is usually a good candidate to send back, right?
And the speaker.... hasn't anyone noticed the speaker volume SUCKS. My Evo is a LOT louder and my wife's new Motorola Charm is like a foghorn! That Charm is the loudest handset I ever heard... but it has other problems like it won't find certain apps on the market that show up on every other phone! That is really weird.
And if you use an app to get rid of the screen lock (I hate screen locks and see no earthly use for them.... where did they come from?), which is No Lock, works great, except every button on the phone will turn it on!!!!! Without the NO LOCK app, only the trackpad and the power button will turn it on.
That said, I'll probably get used to it and like it fine with time... but both my wife and I had a hard time sending out text messages tonight and we had full bars. The messages kept getting bounced back saying they weren't able to be sent (although it turned out some of them did go, even though they said they didn't). I don't know what caused it, but I'm not liking TMO much with problems like that right off the bat. In a month I'll know if I'm keeping it or going to AT&T as they will be in town some time in December.
What do I like? Well, the screen has just the same sensitivity as my Evo... nobody makes a touch screen like HTC!!!! I love it.
And the Battery! Wow... what a battery saver this phone is. I had to put the 3500 mah Seidio battery on my Evo to make it through the day, but this one has been "up" for 15 hours with 30% left and heavy usage today. When I unplug my Evo, it drops 5%-8% in 5 minutes. This one went a couple hours on 100% with heavy usage before it started to drop. I thought the meter was whacko!
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ok so u say u like that it fits in ur hand good but yet u complain that its to small? that makes no sense at all. but anyways the evo isnt a bad phone but when it comes to performance this mt4g kicks the evos ass with a 2nd gen snapdragon and 768mb ram vs evos 512mb ram and the evos 1st gen snapdragon. im not a fan of this htc sense to much but once we get gingerbread it should be good bye too htc sense, because its suppose to kill off all this third party bs that is over the stock android software. so far the only problem had with this phone is the white one would make creaking nosies a lot at the bottom so i took it back for the black one and so far so good. no problems yet. i came from an htc hd2 running the evos rom on it so i know how u feel with battery life, i had to get a extended battery for it as well but mine was only 2400mah. but u just gotta get use to this phone thought its a very good phone and has a lot of features to back it up.

s10shane said:
ok so u say u like that it fits in ur hand good but yet u complain that its to small? that makes no sense at all. but anyways the evo isnt a bad phone but when it comes to performance this mt4g kicks the evos ass with a 2nd gen snapdragon and 768mb ram vs evos 512mb ram and the evos 1st gen snapdragon. im not a fan of this htc sense to much but once we get gingerbread it should be good bye too htc sense, because its suppose to kill off all this third party bs that is over the stock android software. so far the only problem had with this phone is the white one would make creaking nosies a lot at the bottom so i took it back for the black one and so far so good. no problems yet. i came from an htc hd2 running the evos rom on it so i know how u feel with battery life, i had to get a extended battery for it as well but mine was only 2400mah. but u just gotta get use to this phone thought its a very good phone and has a lot of features to back it up.
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Yes, it does make sense. I can complain about the screen being too small, but still like how it fits in my hand. I know, it's a trade-off. If it's going to fit your hand nice, then you HAVE to have a smaller screen. That said, a smaller screen, when in landscape, makes it easier to type without reaching for the keys. However, my son types in portrait mode, and the keys are a lot smaller. Also, I haven't noticed any difference in speed with the two processors, so that's a mute point (the only way you can tell is with the speed tests and they seldom relate to real-life work). I've watched movies and played games and I don't see any difference in speed. I was running the Evo with CM6, Fresh and Myn's Warm ROMs and loved them all. One other thing I forgot to mention is the fact that Tmo coverage, while it shows very good on a map, isn't great here. Our phones go to roaming too much. We don't have any good carriers in Carlsbad, NM. Sprint and Alltel are both having trouble and ATT isn't here yet, and TMO is spotty. That doesn't help me fall in love with the phone, that and the worrying about the automatic shut-downs and restart twice. It all makes me apprehensive about the whole deal.
I wouldn't put too much store in gingerbread getting rid of manufacturers look, feel, or apps. It will be like every other upgrade and we'll have to wait until each manufacturer customizes it for each phone and it will look and feel the same (as far as HTC sense goes). Htc isn't going to give up Sense in any update they release. If we get it on a ROM (and root our phones), then it's no different than any other ROM, you can get with or without sense.

lonlawrence said:
Yes, it does make sense. I can complain about the screen being too small, but still like how it fits in my hand. I know, it's a trade-off. If it's going to fit your hand nice, then you HAVE to have a smaller screen. That said, a smaller screen, when in landscape, makes it easier to type without reaching for the keys. However, my son types in portrait mode, and the keys are a lot smaller. Also, I haven't noticed any difference in speed with the two processors, so that's a mute point (the only way you can tell is with the speed tests and they seldom relate to real-life work). I've watched movies and played games and I don't see any difference in speed. I was running the Evo with CM6, Fresh and Myn's Warm ROMs and loved them all. One other thing I forgot to mention is the fact that Tmo coverage, while it shows very good on a map, isn't great here. Our phones go to roaming too much. We don't have any good carriers in Carlsbad, NM. Sprint and Alltel are both having trouble and ATT isn't here yet, and TMO is spotty. That doesn't help me fall in love with the phone, that and the worrying about the automatic shut-downs and restart twice. It all makes me apprehensive about the whole deal.
I wouldn't put too much store in gingerbread getting rid of manufacturers look, feel, or apps. It will be like every other upgrade and we'll have to wait until each manufacturer customizes it for each phone and it will look and feel the same (as far as HTC sense goes). Htc isn't going to give up Sense in any update they release. If we get it on a ROM (and root our phones), then it's no different than any other ROM, you can get with or without sense.
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well return the phone if ur having problems with it and they should take care of u, next the gingerbread i heard they where killing off all 3rd software and putting there own stuff in android 2.3 so there for htc sense and moto blur and stuff like that is not needed so lets hope that happens.

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well return the phone if ur having problems with it and they should take care of u, next the gingerbread i heard they where killing off all 3rd software and putting there own stuff in android 2.3 so there for htc sense and moto blur and stuff like that is not needed so lets hope that happens.
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@s10shane, I might end up returning the phone. The girl I talked to (2nd line tech support) said they have never seen an MT4G do automatic reboots (and she has one, too) so she suggested I get rid of all installed apps for a few days and then add them back one at a time as she suspected an app was causing the shutdown. they are the same apps I had on my Evo, so I doubt if they are causing a shutdown, but they might be! I'm just reluctant to do it that way, not have a shutdown for a couple days, then after installing apps 1 at a time (and waiting how long before installing another one?) then one day it happens again. Since you never know when it's going to happen, it's going to be hard to pinpoint an app causing it because it's not something you can force and it happens so seldom. My other problem with them porting the sprint number to this still isn't resolved, which I'm peeved about because I need to send my sprint phone back before getting charged $500 for it (long story). My wife and I both have had text messages not go out (failed to send) and the tech support worked on that problem yesterday, but I think I've tracked it down to Chompsms and Handscent. When I use the stock app, they go out, but when I use the other two, about half the time they don't... WTF? This phone seems a little problematic to me so far, but with sprint and alltel having trouble here in town, I don't have any other carrier to turn to. I'm caught between a rock and hard place.

SO I played with the HTC Arrive today

Training device at the story, had my share of time with it today, checked it all out.
Pretty nice keyboard and tilt mechanism, hardware felt awesome in the hand. Software is definitely behind though, multitasking is a no go, software really isnt there for landscape yet which is a bummer with the keyboard.
Netflix worked great however.
Just posting in case anyone here had planned to switch from the epic, I can answer any questions about it too.
Sorry about the blurriness of a few of the pics, I was in a bit of a rush(the public isn't supposed to be seeing the device yet, so taking pictures isn't exactly easy )

Really would appreciate the pics...

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Really would appreciate the pics...
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I'll crop and put them up in the first post now.

Its a windows phone isn't it? How is the smoothness of.it.compared to.the.epic?
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Its a windows phone isn't it? How is the smoothness of.it.compared to.the.epic?
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Pics up.
Oh don't get me wrong, it's very fast, everything loads really quickly.
Sometimes the transitions get annoying when you're just trying to be done with something..it's pretty though.
The worst culprit is the weather in the HTC hub, switching between cities does this whole cloud moving crazy popup thing, it looks pretty cool but takes about 5 seconds and could be very annoying if you're just trying to check the weather in a hurry.
Apps load really quickly, Netflix took about a minute to load up the app and get into a movie on 3g, quality seemed pretty good.
Battery life seemed good, although I had no percentages to work with, it didn't seem to drain that bad.
One thing I noticed though: In the marketplace, larger apps like 3d games can't be downloaded over 3g, it says "Wifi or PC Connection Required"

Really looking to try a WP7 phone, so thanks for this! Did you get a chance to test out the camera, and was the screen any good?
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flopez76 said:
Really looking to try a WP7 phone, so thanks for this! Did you get a chance to test out the camera, and was the screen any good?
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The camera I only took one picture, it seemed pretty clear! I'll try it more tomorrow and let you know.
The screen and type were very crystal clear, it's SLCD and looks absolutely fantastic, not QUITE the Epic but very good.

Also did you have a problem with the screen being 3.6" instead of 4"
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I'm not a windows fan but that phone doesn't.look to bad. I've never really.played with one before.
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I'm swapping out my HTC Hero for the HTC Arrive on the 20th. Can't wait.

that looks sexy but um yeah.... not into that whole hinge tilt stuff and windows phone 7 is just not hooking me.

I actually really like the tilt feature. It works like a kickstand for the screen so you can use your phone as a desk clock better or watch movies with no hands. I wish there was a tilting android phone.
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Reminds me of the TP2 keyboard/tilt. That was the best, most responsive keyboard on a phone I've had.
I'd gladly trade my Epic keyboard for an HTC one... you know if it had a 4" SAMOLED screen...

I love the look of this phone it's just like a perfect hardware specs tp2 and that tilt screen is the one and only thing I miss from my tp2, but WP7 can suck it!! If only HTC released this the time the epic was out and had android on it I would of got this!!! I love the speaker on it too, really sexy phone!!
Set From My 3.0.1 Bonsai Epic 4g

god thats one ugly looking phone.

Nice looking phone. The real questions is, can we get Android running on it...

Probably, the question is why bother? It's last years weakest hardware...even after a port the Shift would still kill it performance wise, and don't even try to compare it with the Epic.

Nice looking phone ughly looking wp7.
never leaving android, atlast for now.
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Nice looking phone ughly looking wp7.
never leaving android, atlast for now.
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Android Trolls have no reason to post. If you are not here with interest in WP7 or the Arrive, then why are you here except to voice your pointless opinion?
Anyway. I also got my hands on an Arrive for a good bit. One thing about the slider, make sure you don't judge it until you remove the clear plastic protector on the back of the screen part of the slider (the back of the screen with the keyboard out). Until that is removed the slider will feel very wobbly, stiff, or overall crappy. Same thing was the case for our Touch Pro 2's.
The overall feel of the phone is really solid and well made, like the TP2 it feels solid but with the metal back and an actual glass screen it feel even higher quality. (Plus I love the way the screen angles off into the 2 grill parts on the top and bottom.)
The OS performed just as expected with performance never showing any sort of hiccup or slowdown. 3G Speed in the area was a bit poor due to it being a highly populated area that Sprint throttles. (Not a problem where I live). It was not a problem for normal use and web browsing but it did take a hit on Netflix playback, downgrading the quality to extremely low but still viewable quality I suppose.
As mentioned earlier/elsewhere, the one thing that is bumming me is the 3G download limit on large apps. I know it is the norm for most of todays phones but with an Unlimited plan, limiting my download size to 20MB is a real bummer. I hope there may be a way around this in due time. Sucks that they expect you to pay for another service while paying for the same type of service? WTF!?
I did not test this part of the phone out though since I did not want to set it up under my live account.
Other parts of mention was the seamless use of Bing search for various things. Unlike on the TP2 where you click on bing, wait a minute, have to quit back out because you forgot to run quick GPS to keep the sat info updated and of course it never automatically updates on its own, back into Bing and waiting another minute, type in what you want to search for (or click on the appropriate button), it searches and gets you what you may want, you click on it, wait a bit to get options, then finally to what you want. If using the Voice Guidance you have to hope it doesn't crash or lock up partway into your trek.
With WP7 it seriously was click button, 3 sec later your there, type or say what you want, it searches for another 2-3 sec, bamn various things related to your search and picking one only takes another 2-3 seconds. Fast, easy, works.
Sure Voice Guidance isn't in Bing for WP7 yet, but it is coming and till then Sprint gets their own Voice Guidance GPS that actually works ok as well.
There is only 1 Problem (Seams to be lightly known) with the phone. Wifi. Similar to the Video Demo I saw of a GSM UK 7 Pro, the wifi would get stuck trying to connect to a network and eventually give up. In the video he mentioned a hard reset fixed this but being as it was not my phone I did not test this. This looks to be a simple HTC bug and I would guess it would be fixed in a side update separate from other updates soon. Still, a bummer seeing how the phone isn't out yet and it's GSM brother has the same issue.
Either way I pre-ordered my phone and plan to enjoy it. The only thing is my upgrade isn't due till June 14th and well, that is a long way away. So I may buy the phone outright and just learn everything I can for a month. It is not that I cannot afford it, I just don't feel like paying $450 for any phone.
$35 to rent the phone for a month isn't a bad deal though. Did this with the HTC EVO. 4G was Awesome, but the Android os, while powerful, just didn't feel finished/polished similar to WM6.5 Roms.
Sure WP7 does lack a few features we have all known and loved on WM6.X and Android, but for what I use the phone for most, paired with the fact that I am getting sick of the phone having weird glitches, lockups, temporary hangs, slowdowns, and overall things either not working or working weirdly, (also on Android for this), WP7 looks for fix that for me. A phone that does all of the features it offers now and does them well. I used to be a huge tweaker for these devices, but after a while, the time it takes to make the phone work 100% takes way too long these days and especially on the old 500mhz chip, it is just not worth the fuss anymore. I have an HD2 to tinker with and use for certain Apps, and a Dell Axim X50v for my other WM entertainment needs.

Thank IM for that post.....Normally I am not one to read long posts but you covered everything that I was curious out.
I have an EVO right now and even though I love it. I loved my Zune HD a lot more. heres to hoping that the arrive lives up to hype I gave it.

Anyone Else LOVE their captivate?

I've had it for about a year now, and I love it.
Anyone else? Seems like a lot of people complaining about it.
GPS works fine for me.

samvillian said:
I've had it for about a year now, and I love it.
Anyone else? Seems like a lot of people complaining about it.
GPS works fine for me.
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I love mine. Mostly for the fact that I can customize it to how I specifically want it. And it seems that every piece of it IS customizable.

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I love mine. Mostly for the fact that I can customize it to how I specifically want it. And it seems that every piece of it IS customizable.
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Exactly why i love it. Plus the dev community is alive and kicking.
Never had any major issues i wasn't able to resolve.
I laugh when I see an iphone now.

Love mine. First phone in a long time that I actually feel I will have all the way until my next upgrade.

Other than the fact that GPS sucks, I love mine.

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Love mine. First phone in a long time that I actually feel I will have all the way until my next upgrade.
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aint that the dam truth

Very fond of mine as well.
Never lags behind any of my friend's phones, GPS is acceptable (though not excellent), screen is absolutely superb, and battery life since upgrading to Gingerbread has been wonderful.
Custom ROM and Kernel are a must however.
Not many 1 year old phones on the market that can still run with the front of the pack...

Had mine since day one. For the first time I can remember in the years I've been on att I am not counting days til early upgrade. I actually passed the upgrade date this week (I had an Aria and traded for captivate in the 30 days).
Now I can patiently wait for the SGS II with a year old phone I still love.
Sent from my Captivate running Continuum 5.6

My cappy ****S on all my other friends phones except for my buddy who also has one and lets me customize it for him!! The development for I897 just keeps growing and I love it.

I love both of mine...

Love mine, shame I'll be moving to sprint soon.

I'm still a big fan. Love is a little too strong a word. If the GPS was perfect it'd be the perfect phone. I still get remarks about how amazing the screen looks.

Missed out on being truly great because it is missing an LED notification light and a flash with the camera.
With those two features it would be unbeatable.
PS. My GPS locks in seconds with the newest Continuum.

Yep. First Android device I got. Love it.
Build quality especially.
Helped a friend to update his i9000 to ginger. Can't help noticing how solid the Cappy is.
Sent from my Captivate. Andromeda3, Onix 2.0.5, Matted Blues.

I agree that the one and only thing I'm jealous of the other phones is the Flash for the camera.
I've never had an issue with GPS though, oddly.
I can't think of any other faults though... I also hate the slider for the usb plug. I almost feel like taking the phone apart just to remove that piece. Anyone ever done that?

GPS works for general vicinity.....unfortunately its response time is atrocious.
I've been in downtown Atlanta attempting to locate "Cheetah Club" (not difficult to route to).....while you're on the Interstate, you will get repeated "Do a U-Turn" because you will pass your exit before the GPS ever updates. DOWNTOWN ATLANTA (it isn't like this isn't a technological hub). Our party had to resort to a Blackberry Curve (triangulation) GPS to get us there.
I've been in the Marigny in New Orleans (off Frenchmen) trying to find my car on Touro and Royal (this is actually a unique intersection)......taking 40 minutes of walking around near midnight from St.Claude to Chartres to locate one specific spot (routing GPS) before giving up and just trying to just figure it out on my own (without the phone's GPS).
**and yes, this is with ALL THE GPS 'fixes' enabled.
The GPS works adequately if you're trying to route you to a large destination (city to city), but you're up the creek for inner city navigation.
This phone is a pile of **** and an afront to consumers. Out-of-the-box, you're screwed. With rooting and several improvement modifications, the phone is possibly serviceable. This device is FAR FROM being an acceptable product, let alone an ideal (love) device.

^Trade it in and why did you buy it^

definitely love. Once rooted and customized i still think its one of the top 3 out there and still the best att option.
Be hard to go back to another screen.
Run alot and do martial arts so i take a lot of soaking baths to recover......not only has it worked great as an mp3 player for runs i have recently been using it at home on wifi + netflix to catch up on TV shows while soaking. The picture quality for watching TV/movies is unparalleled when it comes to other smartphones.

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^Trade it in and why did you buy it^
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can't handle the truth?
* bought it because - not many decent Androids to purchase w/ ATT back in Nov '10 and unrealistic reviews posted on forums like these from delusional fans
* I'll upgrade (after purchasing the phone in Dec '10) soon enough.
* if the device requires a great deal of modifications to make it operational -then it isn't a good device.
The AMOLED screen is great. the Camera isn't bad (the fact that it doesn't have a flash actually is nice). The audio/speaker/headphone output sucks balls even with VooDoo overrides, though

first phone i love
ive had the: tmobile dash; tmobile mda 2; blackberry 7105t; tmobile g1; iphone 3g; blackberry 8820; nokia surge; and a few others i cant remember. this is the first phone ive had for this long. got it the first day it was out last july. my upgrade is in a few weeks but theres nothing out there that i would upgrade to at this point. when the galaxy s2 comes out then this will be used for developement. ive sold every other phone ive had but i wont sell this one this is my baby. im new to the flashing and all but im enjoying all that you can learn to do with this phone. btw my gps works great; im a truck driver and used to drive cross country and after i crushed one of my captivates by running it over with a truck the replacement is excellent.